The Many Faces of US Politics...

[macdanger2]

This "Whitey" character claims to be from Mayo, doesn't he?

Must be a descendant of Captain Boycott.

That'd be ironic, now that I'm boycotting him. I suggest everyone else do the same.

I would strongly suggest mods ban him from the thread. He seems to have spent every waking hour of the last four years on it, and hasn't produced a single post of good faith or substance in that time. I'm not sure how evidence of somebody being a troll the mods need, but they had enough years ago.

I'd agree with virtually zero of what whitey posts on this thread but you're way off here sid

[Eamonnca1]

Sure lets ban everyone that doesnt agree with your own opinion.

Its a discussion board and rightly or wrongly Whitey is entitles to his own opinion & thoughts.

Censorship indeed....especially at times like this 

When are people going to get it into their heads that it's not the disagreement that counts? I can disagree with people about minor points or about football or listen to well-constructed arguments, and there's a chance a well put together post might change my mind. The problem with the likes of Whitey is they have no intention of raising the standard of debate. Refute one of their points and they just shift the goalposts, change the subject, and a few posts later there they are making the same oft-rebutted point again. People like that add nothing of value to the board. They're just here to wind up and troll, which happens to be a violation of this board's rules. If you don't like the rules then you're welcome to leave, but rules are rules and Whitey is in clear violation of them. If he were banned from here it might do him some good. He might have to find a more productive hobby, like flower-arranging or something.

[omaghjoe]

Sure lets ban everyone that doesnt agree with your own opinion.

Its a discussion board and rightly or wrongly Whitey is entitles to his own opinion & thoughts.

Censorship indeed....especially at times like this 

When are people going to get it into their heads that it's not the disagreement that counts? I can disagree with people about minor points or about football or listen to well-constructed arguments, and there's a chance a well put together post might change my mind. The problem with the likes of Whitey is they have no intention of raising the standard of debate. Refute one of their points and they just shift the goalposts, change the subject, and a few posts later there they are making the same oft-rebutted point again. People like that add nothing of value to the board. They're just here to wind up and troll, which happens to be a violation of this board's rules. If you don't like the rules then you're welcome to leave, but rules are rules and Whitey is in clear violation of them. If he were banned from here it might do him some good. He might have to find a more productive hobby, like flower-arranging or something.

Eamonn you need to look at your own standard of discussion, you come out with a lot of rhetoric and then revert to ad hominen, frequently a point scoring exercise. Whitey is marginally better than yourself TBF, which is no great compliment. However he does serve an important purpose on this thread which is give dissenting views and I do get the impression that he lives in the real world and form his positions from it and not the realms that the media would like to see the world thru. TBH its disappointing that both of you mess as I know that you both can raise some great points.

This thread needs better policing by the mods with a few warnings dished out now and then to keep things in line. The bot style posters who have no interested in learning or thrashing things should be given a "cool off" period

[whitey]

So for the self righteous among you who invoked the memory of the lives lost in Derry on Bloody Sunday to attack me, hang your heads in shame in sullying their reputations

Big riot in Providence last night.......started hours after a peaceful BLM protest ended

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.providencejournal.com/news/20200602/65-arrested-8-to-10-police-injured-in-providence-riot%3ftemplate=ampart

"The actions early Tuesday morning were not organized by Black Lives Matter Rhode Island. A flier of unknown origin reading "Providence Looting 12:00 AM Tonight! (Expletive) The Police" had circulated on social media the previous day.

Manni said the gathering was organized by an "anti-government" group of "anarchists" with a left-leaning mindset similar to Antifa. He declined to say whether the group had a name but said "they have an ideology," which he said was centered around "destruction."

You probably won't read about this in The NY Times or hear about it on NPR

[Eamonnca1]

My conscience is clear.

[sid waddell]

Sure lets ban everyone that doesnt agree with your own opinion.

Its a discussion board and rightly or wrongly Whitey is entitles to his own opinion & thoughts.

Censorship indeed....especially at times like this 

You've created a straw man there.

I'm all for diversity of opinion.

But "Whitey" isn't here to debate, or even offer opinion, at least any sort of considered opinion. He's here to troll and derail the thread, and nothing else. That's all he's ever been here to do, which doesn't say much for his life.

I mean there's a reason Gemma O'Doherty doesn't get invited onto any broadcast media.

It should be the same idea as regards online.

[whitey]

Sure lets ban everyone that doesnt agree with your own opinion.

Its a discussion board and rightly or wrongly Whitey is entitles to his own opinion & thoughts.

Censorship indeed....especially at times like this 

You've created a straw man there.

I'm all for diversity of opinion.

But "Whitey" isn't here to debate, or even offer opinion, at least any sort of considered opinion. He's here to troll and derail the thread, and nothing else. That's all he's ever been here to do, which doesn't say much for his life.

I mean there's a reason Gemma O'Doherty doesn't get invited onto any broadcast media.

It should be the same idea as regards online.

No Sid

I absolutely am not a troll. I believe 99.99 % of what I post (I enjoy getting a rise with the other .01% of the time)

Why I see  from posters like yourself on here are simply a regurgitation if left wing talking points.

If you actually lived here for any length of time and heard first hand from real people about what's going on on the ground in law enforcement, healthcare or any other number of topics, your positions might actually evolve evolve (as have mine on a myriad of topics)

No....instead you take the easy way out and call me a racist and try to get me banned for challenging you

[Eamonnca1]

Sure lets ban everyone that doesnt agree with your own opinion.

Its a discussion board and rightly or wrongly Whitey is entitles to his own opinion & thoughts.

Censorship indeed....especially at times like this 

You've created a straw man there.

I'm all for diversity of opinion.

But "Whitey" isn't here to debate, or even offer opinion, at least any sort of considered opinion. He's here to troll and derail the thread, and nothing else. That's all he's ever been here to do, which doesn't say much for his life.

I mean there's a reason Gemma O'Doherty doesn't get invited onto any broadcast media.

It should be the same idea as regards online.

Hear bloody hear.

[Eamonnca1]

Okay, sorry for the mishap with the last one, I've fixed it below, and the latest odds are at the bottom:

Delegate count:
Buttigieg 22
Sanders 21
Warren 8
Klobuchar 7
Biden 6
Bloomberg 0

Betting odds for 2020 winner:

Trump 8/13
Sanders 4/1
Bloomberg 9/1
Biden 20/1

Bloomberg took a hiding last night. He was like a duck out of water. Warren obliterated him. Will be interesting to see how that affects the polling numbers over the next few days, and if his high burn rate can take the bad look off it. I just wish he'd get out of the race and put his money into something useful like flipping the 4 senate seats we're going to need.

Odds update:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 7/2 (3.5/1)
Bloomberg: 8/1
Biden: 22/1

Bernie's odds moving in the right direction. Biden, not so much.

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:8/1
Biden: 9/1

Update:
Delegate count:
Sanders 31
Buttigieg 22
Warren 8
Biden 8
Klobuchar 7
Bloomberg 0

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 25/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 5/6
Bloomberg: 4/1
Buttigieg:11/1
Biden: 11/1

Interesting that Chrome still thinks "Buttigieg" is a typo.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 29/10 (2.9/1)
Bloomberg: 10/1
Biden: 28/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 4/5
Bloomberg: 4/1
Biden: 10/1
Buttigieg:12/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 3/1
Bloomberg: 12/1
Biden: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 4/1
Bloomberg: 11/2
Buttigieg:20/1

Bloomberg and Buttigeig getting it tight.

Bernie's odds are slipping slightly in the general election, but he's still the favourite to get the nomination.

2020 winner:
Trump: 8/13
Sanders: 10/3 (3.3/1)
Biden: 9/1
Bloomberg: 12/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 10/11
Biden: 13/4
Bloomberg: 6/1
Buttigieg:20/1

This stock market crash might throw a spanner in the works. It was this kind of October surprise that worked in Obama's favor in 2008 when "the fundamentals of our economy [were] strong" until they weren't. Trump might cruise to reelection if the economy stays strong, but the coronavirus could change all that.

Get in there Bernie!

Delegate count:
Sanders: 58
Biden: 50
Buttigeig: 26 (I wonder what happens to delegates after a candidate pulls out)
Warren: 8
Klobuchar: 7

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/6
Sanders: 3/1
Biden: 13/2 (6.5/1)
Bloomberg: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Sanders: 1/1
Biden: 5/2
Bloomberg: 7/1
Hillary Clinton(!): 33/1

This is the first we've seen Trump's odds moving in a while. Could be the coronavirus effect. Damned if I know why they're showing odds for Hillary instead of the likes of Warren or Klobuchar who are actually in the race.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 6/4
Sanders: 18/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/8
Sanders: 9/1

Trump getting it tight. Looking good for Biden if these odds keep moving the way they are. If he puts Warren on his ticket as VP, that should pick up enough Bernie supporters in November. This could be the light at the end of the tunnel.

Delegate count:
Biden 664
Sanders 573

2020 winner:
Trump: 4/5
Biden: 13/8 (1.6/1)
Sanders: 16/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/7
Sanders: 9/1

Delegate count:
Biden 857
Sanders 709

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11 (1/1.1)
Biden: 13/10 (1.3/1)
Sanders: No longer in the top 4

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/14
Sanders: 40/1

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 15/13
Sanders: 50/1
Deval Patrick: 50/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/16
Sanders: 33/1

The trend is unmistakable.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Sanders: 33/1
Deval Patrick: 33/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 25/1

Game over for Trump, it seems. Although it's a long way to November, but I'm not sure how he can come back from this. He can't lie or spin his way out of this. Not even Fox News can help him when the dead start piling up.

From what I saw of the debate it looked like Bernie was knocking it out of the park while Joe was wandering off into the weeds.  Still, Bernie seems to be getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden: 11/10
Mike Pence: 33/1
Sanders: 40/1

Democratic candidate:
Biden: 1/12
Sanders: 40/1

Funny old game.

2020 winner:
Trump: 1/1
Biden: 11/10

WTF is the matter with people?

2020 winner:
Trump: 10/11
Biden: 5/4

Seems like Trump's lash-out-at-the-media-and-shoot-the-messenger strategy is paying off.

But if Biden does get in somehow, I could see him serving one term and then someone like Newsom having a go.

I wouldn't write Biden off yet. It's a long way to November and a lot of dead bodies are going to be piled up between now and then thanks to Donald. A lot will depend on how successful he is in shifting blame away from himself. He'll take credit for anything that goes right and deflect blame for anything that goes wrong, which will play well with the religious crowd who are used to doing that sort of thing with God. I don't know if it'll be enough with swing voters though.

Well well well. Trump starting to get it tight again. Maybe his supporters are dropping dead with the virus.

2020 winner:
Trump 1/1
Biden 5/4

Wheisht! Trump getting it tight now.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10 (1.1/1)
Biden: 15/13 (1.15/1)

Well well well. Now it's even. Trump's odds of reelection are in freefall. As the covid death toll mounts and the riots spread, I expect to see him get even more desperate. Expect more scapegoating of China, Mexico, immigrants, and people of colour in the next few months. That includes you, Whitey. I assume you're an immigrant. Don't for one minute think he has your back.

2020 winner:
Trump: 11/10
Biden 11/10

Joe seems to be the favourite for the first time. Trump's odds are definitely drifting and Biden's are shortening. Still a bit close for my liking though.
2020 winner:
Biden: 1/1
Trump: 11/10

[Gmac]

Sure lets ban everyone that doesnt agree with your own opinion.

Its a discussion board and rightly or wrongly Whitey is entitles to his own opinion & thoughts.

Censorship indeed....especially at times like this 

You've created a straw man there.

I'm all for diversity of opinion.

But "Whitey" isn't here to debate, or even offer opinion, at least any sort of considered opinion. He's here to troll and derail the thread, and nothing else. That's all he's ever been here to do, which doesn't say much for his life.

I mean there's a reason Gemma O'Doherty doesn't get invited onto any broadcast media.

It should be the same idea as regards online.

Hear bloody hear.

who is Gemma o"Doherty

[J70]

NYC has a curfew starting 8pm tonight. Hopefully it works. Those f**kers really went to town last night.

[Gmac]

NYC has a curfew starting 8pm tonight. Hopefully it works. Those f**kers really went to town last night.

one here tonight/tomorrow  in San Francisco suburban  8-30 let's see what happens.
Is the mayor and police derelict of duty or too many rioters to handle in nyc ?

[J70]

NYC has a curfew starting 8pm tonight. Hopefully it works. Those f**kers really went to town last night.

one here tonight/tomorrow  in San Francisco suburban  8-30 let's see what happens.
Is the mayor and police derelict of duty or too many rioters to handle in nyc ?

Don't know.

But Cuomo laid into both today.

[Main Street]

NYC has a curfew starting 8pm tonight. Hopefully it works. Those f**kers really went to town last night.

one here tonight/tomorrow  in San Francisco suburban  8-30 let's see what happens.
Is the mayor and police derelict of duty or too many rioters to handle in nyc ?

Don't know.

But Cuomo laid into both today.

Cuomo's Trump like outburst didn't impress me as being of leadership quality.

It's evidently a different group of people who are doing the looting, different to the groups who are on the protests.
Why do you think this particular group engage in looting?

[J70]

NYC has a curfew starting 8pm tonight. Hopefully it works. Those f**kers really went to town last night.

one here tonight/tomorrow  in San Francisco suburban  8-30 let's see what happens.
Is the mayor and police derelict of duty or too many rioters to handle in nyc ?

Don't know.

But Cuomo laid into both today.

Cuomo's Trump like outburst didn't impress me as being of leadership quality.

It's evidently a different group of people who are doing the looting, different to the groups who are on the protests.
Why do you think this particular group engage in looting?

Haven't checked the latest news, but suggestions have been that its a combination of anarchists out to cause mayhem, and agent provocateurs seeking to discredit or foment trouble. I'm sure there's a good helping of locals in there too out for a free case of beer or whatever.