Anybody at either of the under 21 football games at the weekend? the competition might fill my football void now that the senior is over ;D Didn't even realize it had started until I seen the results. Killeshin Crettyard v St Joseph's-Barrowhouse would have been a right good game id say.
I presume St Joseph's-Barrowhouse would be strong favorites for this given their recent success?
Quote from: Hospital Pass on October 18, 2016, 12:16:58 AM
Anybody at either of the under 21 football games at the weekend? the competition might fill my football void now that the senior is over ;D Didn't even realize it had started until I seen the results. Killeshin Crettyard v St Joseph's-Barrowhouse would have been a right good game id say.
I presume St Joseph's-Barrowhouse would be strong favorites for this given their recent success?
It was a poor enough affair. Cretty/Kileshin were without Evan Carroll and they also missed a host of chances. Joes/BH were ok and done what they had to do to win it.They also have a gem of a player in Adam Campion. They seemed a bit cockey IMO but have loads of talent coming through....
Quote from: The Monument Road on October 18, 2016, 01:44:13 PM
Quote from: Hospital Pass on October 18, 2016, 12:16:58 AM
Anybody at either of the under 21 football games at the weekend? the competition might fill my football void now that the senior is over ;D Didn't even realize it had started until I seen the results. Killeshin Crettyard v St Joseph's-Barrowhouse would have been a right good game id say.
I presume St Joseph's-Barrowhouse would be strong favorites for this given their recent success?
It was a poor enough affair. Cretty/Kileshin were without Evan Carroll and they also missed a host of chances. Joes/BH were ok and done what they had to do to win it.They also have a gem of a player in Adam Campion. They seemed a bit cockey IMO but have loads of talent coming through....
Definitely not cocky but I would worry that some who have been playing a lot of football over the last year have lost their edge. I think they were lucky that Evan O'Carroll was injured.
Good win for Graigue over Port today. Sarsfiels hammered Ballylinan Glenmore and Joes/House comfortable over Courtwood Emo Rock yesterday.
Quote from: SCFC on October 23, 2016, 03:28:22 PM
Good win for Graigue over Port today. Sarsfiels hammered Ballylinan Glenmore and Joes/House comfortable over Courtwood Emo Rock yesterday.
For three clubs combined Ballylinan/Glenn were horrific....no imput from either Kileen or Arles worth talking about bar young Brennan from Arles. Same could be said for Courtwood/Emo/Rock another 3 club combination. Joes/Bh ran riot in the second half. Very talented outfit with 8 or 9 of Joes senior team playing.Joe Higgins twin boys are some talent...
What age are Joe's young lads? You're making us feel old
19
Did they play for Laois minors last year?
Seen 2 of the games at the weekend.
St Joseph's-Barrowhouse have some team on paper. most of them are either Laois under 21's or Laois minors. The 10 point win did flatter them a little. 20 minutes to go and the game was level. Brian daly and adam campion were my standouts.
Courtwood-Emo-The Rock fell apart with the concession of a very sloppy goal. heads went down and they never recovered.
At least they showed some promise. Crowley, luttrell and murphy all tried hard.
The same cant be said of Ballylinan/Glenmore, How they are not in the B side is beyond me. If it wasent for some generous refereeing I doubt they would have scored in the game. It really does look bleak for the future of the arles clubs in particular. Sarsfields were good but I think if St Joseph's-Barrowhouse were playing Ballylinan/Glenmore we would have been talking about a record beating.
Anybody at the graigue v port game?
With any of these small rural clubs you're relying on a group of players to come along at the same time. There is very little coming through in Arles in the 12 to 20 age group bar a couple. It's cyclical and you will be looking at the next generation before Arles will have the numbers again to compete at the highest level. In saying that the older lads will soldier on until they have to call it a day.
Sarsfields beat Portlaoise today in quarter final by 7 points. Think they play Graiguecullen next. Good performances from a number of players but hard to know what Portlaoise were like so the jury is out. Graig had a good minor team a year or 2 ago so it could be an interesting semi final.
Do portlaoise have any u21s on the senior team, only one i could think of would be finn and i wouldnt be sure of him even
What's Portlaoise underage structure like? Have they much coming through?
Quote from: Downtheroad on October 29, 2016, 05:59:18 PM
Sarsfields beat Portlaoise today in quarter final by 7 points. Think they play Graiguecullen next. Good performances from a number of players but hard to know what Portlaoise were like so the jury is out. Graig had a good minor team a year or 2 ago so it could be an interesting semi final.
Graigue play Stradbally next Saturday..
QuoteUnder 21 Football Championship
05/11/2016
15:00
Graiguecullen v Stradbally Parish Gaels
Crettyard GAA Club
Quote from: Butch Cassidy on October 30, 2016, 08:15:27 AM
What's Portlaoise underage structure like? Have they much coming through?
It was let slip for a few years, living off the senior football success. Haven't had much success the past 3/4 years. They have their house in order now, though it may take a few more years to come to fruition.
O Dempsey's beat us in the U21, Best of luck to O Dempsey but we are both a fair way below Josephs at this level.
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 30, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
Quote from: Butch Cassidy on October 30, 2016, 08:15:27 AM
What's Portlaoise underage structure like? Have they much coming through?
It was let slip for a few years, living off the senior football success. Haven't had much success the past 3/4 years. They have their house in order now, though it may take a few more years to come to fruition.
House in order? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
If by house in order, they are going poaching smaller clubs players then I guess you're right.
Whom have they poached?
We lost our best 2 u12's to them this year
This is a trend to be fair with bigger clubs poaching, gilmartin from kyle to camross, kingstons from barrowhouse to killen, even in my own parish over 20 juveniles have went from ballypickas to abbeyleix in the last few years, lost more to ballinakill, we have been guilty of it in the past too im sorry to say, so this isnt me bashing everyone around us
even off the minor football team this year you could see tyrell of camross, hitchcock of ratheniska and comerford from harps being targeted (i know hes from arles area), the reality is the county board is going to side with the big club the majority of the time because the people in charge are from big clubs with the exception of maybe brian allen
O demoseys beating ballyroan was a shock for me ,,,they wud not be strong underage at all,,,ballyroan Abu abbey Wat happened here???
It's a bit of a surprise taking into account their respective status at minor. Normally a good few minors will play u21 as well. Might mean it will take longer for some Ballyroan players to come through. Nevertheless, good result for O'Dempseys.
PS apologies for overlooking Stradbally Parish Gaels against Graiguecullen. That should be a good game as both outfits have performed well at minor over the last number of years. Often at u21, it comes down to who is available as one never knows what they have until they turn up on the day.
We are a disappointed with the result. For whatever reason we did not perform yesterday. It would stink of sour grapes to not say O Dempsey's were more than deserving winners. It goes to show when you don't bring your A game to pitch then it is hard to expect the right result. We have plenty of fine players but it's up to us to bring them along the right lines and to develop them into quality senior players.
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 30, 2016, 10:12:39 PM
This is a trend to be fair with bigger clubs poaching, gilmartin from kyle to camross, kingstons from barrowhouse to killen, even in my own parish over 20 juveniles have went from ballypickas to abbeyleix in the last few years, lost more to ballinakill, we have been guilty of it in the past too im sorry to say, so this isnt me bashing everyone around us
even off the minor football team this year you could see tyrell of camross, hitchcock of ratheniska and comerford from harps being targeted (i know hes from arles area), the reality is the county board is going to side with the big club the majority of the time because the people in charge are from big clubs with the exception of maybe brian allen
Well thats some f**king attitude to have.
Problem at juvenile level with clubs poaching is nearly down to the parents thinking they're better off in long run playing for bigger club. As Clonad lad said, we lost 2 of our finest juveniles in the club to Portlaoise, and potentially 2 more over the winter. It is quite frustrating to develop a team and then for players to go to supposedly greener pastures. I'm sure my own club not the only one who this will happen to.
Regarding Arles Kileen, I'd say not too many in the county will shed a tear whenever the demise comes to fruition(if it does). I've seen in one player in particular being asked to play for Kileen after a county final at juvenile level a few years back. I see now they're starting to put out team at underage as Na Fianna so might get there playing numbers right in few years time. Time will tell.
The County Board obviously buys into the Free Movement of Persons regulation. Problem is, that's not what the GAA was founded on. This idea of cherry picking good young lads from small clubs is a real sickener. Do it the right way and have a formal arrangement in place whereby the smaller club's lads can play with the bigger club if they so wish. Anything else is just a transfer system, and most probably illegal unless these lads are actually living in the area. Unlikely.
Quote from: High Fielder on October 31, 2016, 02:15:46 PM
The County Board obviously buys into the Free Movement of Persons regulation. Problem is, that's not what the GAA was founded on. This idea of cherry picking good young lads from small clubs is a real sickener. Do it the right way and have a formal arrangement in place whereby the smaller club's lads can play with the bigger club if they so wish. Anything else is just a transfer system, and most probably illegal unless these lads are actually living in the area. Unlikely
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The problem we have is we're technically in both Portlaoise and raheen parish. The Clonad area in raheen and the pitch technically in Portlaoise parish. Because we've no school we're drawing from Portlaoise area along with Heath and the odd few in Raheen area with family ties to club. We haven't much of a leg to stand on in that regard. The majority of people are in Portlaoise area which makes it handy to seek transferring to Portlaoise.
Quote from: Don Draper on October 31, 2016, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: Ballyroan Abbey on October 30, 2016, 10:12:39 PM
This is a trend to be fair with bigger clubs poaching, gilmartin from kyle to camross, kingstons from barrowhouse to killen, even in my own parish over 20 juveniles have went from ballypickas to abbeyleix in the last few years, lost more to ballinakill, we have been guilty of it in the past too im sorry to say, so this isnt me bashing everyone around us
even off the minor football team this year you could see tyrell of camross, hitchcock of ratheniska and comerford from harps being targeted (i know hes from arles area), the reality is the county board is going to side with the big club the majority of the time because the people in charge are from big clubs with the exception of maybe brian allen
Well thats some f**king attitude to have.
I never said i agreed with it im just pointing out the reality of the situation, unfortunately there is a lot of greedy people in clubs in laois who are never happy with what they have,
No players have been "POACHED" by portlaoise. It's easy to accuse the club of poaching players. The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise. There is not scouts going around to matches looking for players. Portlaoise have lost players to other clubs in the past but because they left portlaoise for another club, that is not considered as poaching. Get your facts right lads before ye start posting about portlaoise just because you don't like them. >:(
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 31, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
No players have been "POACHED" by portlaoise. It's easy to accuse the club of poaching players. The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise. There is not scouts going around to matches looking for players. Portlaoise have lost players to other clubs in the past but because they left portlaoise for another club, that is not considered as poaching. Get your facts right lads before ye start posting about portlaoise just because you don't like them. >:(
I'd say it down to parents at juvenile level looking for transfers rather than juveniles. You hardly expect 10-12 year olds going putting in requests? Haven't seen our club gain lads coming from Portlaoise anyways. I know Portlaoise lost 2 lads to Trumera in 2016. The main loss Portlaoise has is the lads choosInt football over hurling for obvious reasons.
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 31, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
No players have been "POACHED" by portlaoise. It's easy to accuse the club of poaching players. The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise. There is not scouts going around to matches looking for players. Portlaoise have lost players to other clubs in the past but because they left portlaoise for another club, that is not considered as poaching. Get your facts right lads before ye start posting about portlaoise just because you don't like them. >:(
Are there any grounds on which Portlaoise can object to lads who request a transfer to another club in Laois? Am I correct in thinking that they are powerless to stop such transfers?
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 31, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
No players have been "POACHED" by portlaoise. It's easy to accuse the club of poaching players. The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise. There is not scouts going around to matches looking for players. Portlaoise have lost players to other clubs in the past but because they left portlaoise for another club, that is not considered as poaching. Get your facts right lads before ye start posting about portlaoise just because you don't like them. >:(
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Well i know 2 lads who transfered in that were asked by portlaoise members to join them, as i said far from the only ones at it, but to say it doesnt exist is either nieve or hiding the truth
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 31, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
No players have been "POACHED" by portlaoise. It's easy to accuse the club of poaching players. The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise. There is not scouts going around to matches looking for players. Portlaoise have lost players to other clubs in the past but because they left portlaoise for another club, that is not considered as poaching. Get your facts right lads before ye start posting about portlaoise just because you don't like them. >:(
Portlaoise spending the guts of €2k to get the DRA to hear a case involving an u16 from Park who they wanted to transfer into them must have happened in a parallel universe then?
Quote from: Helix on October 31, 2016, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 31, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
No players have been "POACHED" by portlaoise. It's easy to accuse the club of poaching players. The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise. There is not scouts going around to matches looking for players. Portlaoise have lost players to other clubs in the past but because they left portlaoise for another club, that is not considered as poaching. Get your facts right lads before ye start posting about portlaoise just because you don't like them. >:(
I'd say it down to parents at juvenile level looking for transfers rather than juveniles. You hardly expect 10-12 year olds going putting in requests? Haven't seen our club gain lads coming from Portlaoise anyways. I know Portlaoise lost 2 lads to Trumera in 2016. The main loss Portlaoise has is the lads choosInt football over hurling for obvious reasons.
There's a combination of factors at play. You often have the situation where parents send their Johnny out to the rural school to keep him away from the rest of the town folk. Picking a sporting club is a logical progression as nothing but the best for Johnny when the rural club isn't big enough. To be honest all clubs engage in targeting players in both subtle and crude ways. It's the lack of transparency at how County Board arrive at decisions that can be a concern. I will give you an example. There is a byelaw that includes proximity as possible criterion. Proximity has merit in cases where a player is up beside a pitch of a club that is outside catchment area but the player is miles away from what should be his "Home club". But what actually constitutes proximity? is it one mile, 2 miles or the just over half way point in distance between the player and the 2 clubs.
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 31, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise.
All players need to put in the transfer request themselves. This means nothing.
Quote from: Downtheroad on October 31, 2016, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: Helix on October 31, 2016, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on October 31, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
No players have been "POACHED" by portlaoise. It's easy to accuse the club of poaching players. The facts are the players themselves requested a transfer to portlaoise. There is not scouts going around to matches looking for players. Portlaoise have lost players to other clubs in the past but because they left portlaoise for another club, that is not considered as poaching. Get your facts right lads before ye start posting about portlaoise just because you don't like them. >:(
I'd say it down to parents at juvenile level looking for transfers rather than juveniles. You hardly expect 10-12 year olds going putting in requests? Haven't seen our club gain lads coming from Portlaoise anyways. I know Portlaoise lost 2 lads to Trumera in 2016. The main loss Portlaoise has is the lads choosInt football over hurling for obvious reasons.
There's a combination of factors at play. You often have the situation where parents send their Johnny out to the rural school to keep him away from the rest of the town folk. Picking a sporting club is a logical progression as nothing but the best for Johnny when the rural club isn't big enough. To be honest all clubs engage in targeting players in both subtle and crude ways. It's the lack of transparency at how County Board arrive at decisions that can be a concern. I will give you an example. There is a byelaw that includes proximity as possible criterion. Proximity has merit in cases where a player is up beside a pitch of a club that is outside catchment area but the player is miles away from what should be his "Home club". But what actually constitutes proximity? is it one mile, 2 miles or the just over half way point in distance between the player and the 2 clubs.
Good point. This could be the next byelaw to cause a problem!
I'd imagine there are lots of people in Laois who live nearer to a neighbouring club grounds than they do to their own club grounds.
Sorry but if a player wants to transfer that's his own choice, I feel there could be a 1 year holding period but after that I do not think any GAA club has the right to hold players once they comply with the byelaws of the county. The idea that a club can dictate the playing future of any player for an indeterminate period of time is completely wrong.
This isn't the Premier League. The GAA wasn't formed with this sort of shit in mind. Many good players were proud to play for smaller clubs and wouldn't just desert them for personal gain. So what if a club is 1 mile away from you but not within your boundary line? That's just the way it goes. Suck it up. Get on with it. There are many more opportunities nowadays to make yourself known without prostituting yourself around the county. Bye laws tend to be the brain child of greedy executives or Chairmen with pull. They won't commit to anything long term just in case it goes belly up. Consequently, they get bye law after bye law pushed through and we are where we are. Open season.
Quote from: High Fielder on November 01, 2016, 09:46:03 AM
This isn't the Premier League. The GAA wasn't formed with this sort of shit in mind. Many good players were proud to play for smaller clubs and wouldn't just desert them for personal gain. So what if a club is 1 mile away from you but not within your boundary line? That's just the way it goes. Suck it up. Get on with it. There are many more opportunities nowadays to make yourself known without prostituting yourself around the county. Bye laws tend to be the brain child of greedy executives or Chairmen with pull. They won't commit to anything long term just in case it goes belly up. Consequently, they get bye law after bye law pushed through and we are where we are. Open season.
While I agree wholeheartedly with you, we are dealing with another generation here, and a lot of the morals of our association have been muddied and forgotten. Young lads, and by extension, their parents, don't generally give a f**k about Clubs and tradition. Barring your core families in an area, many others don't buy in in the way they used to and as a result, we have a pick and mix attitude to Clubs and the Association. Of course this has been chipped away at for some number of years now, and what we now have among Clubs now lamenting transfers, is something that they turned a blind eye to when it was happening to their rivals over the years.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.The time to speak is gone.
You're spot on there. An excellent summary of where we are.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 01, 2016, 09:01:31 AM
Sorry but if a player wants to transfer that's his own choice, I feel there could be a 1 year holding period but after that I do not think any GAA club has the right to hold players once they comply with the byelaws of the county. The idea that a club can dictate the playing future of any player for an indeterminate period of time is completely wrong.
The ethos of the association dictates that players cannot just pitch up and play where they like. Presenting this as clubs "dictating" is not in line with the ethos of the association.
Both the spirit and the rules of the association determine that players cannot freely move between clubs- they are the rules and should you bring a motion forward to change this I would suspect you will find little support.
We have a unique association. I certainly wouldn't agree with changing this aspect of it. Nobody is enslaved to the GAA. If they don't want to play with their local side and don't meet the criteria for transferring well then they should take up a different sport. Simple as.
Quote from: Don Draper on November 01, 2016, 09:55:02 AM
Quote from: High Fielder on November 01, 2016, 09:46:03 AM
This isn't the Premier League. The GAA wasn't formed with this sort of shit in mind. Many good players were proud to play for smaller clubs and wouldn't just desert them for personal gain. So what if a club is 1 mile away from you but not within your boundary line? That's just the way it goes. Suck it up. Get on with it. There are many more opportunities nowadays to make yourself known without prostituting yourself around the county. Bye laws tend to be the brain child of greedy executives or Chairmen with pull. They won't commit to anything long term just in case it goes belly up. Consequently, they get bye law after bye law pushed through and we are where we are. Open season.
While I agree wholeheartedly with you, we are dealing with another generation here, and a lot of the morals of our association have been muddied and forgotten. Young lads, and by extension, their parents, don't generally give a f**k about Clubs and tradition. Barring your core families in an area, many others don't buy in in the way they used to and as a result, we have a pick and mix attitude to Clubs and the Association. Of course this has been chipped away at for some number of years now, and what we now have among Clubs now lamenting transfers, is something that they turned a blind eye to when it was happening to their rivals over the years.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
The time to speak is gone.
I wouldn't be as doom and gloom as you are.
It has been happening for years.
On the hurling side of things Portlaoise and Camross benefited for years from transfers from within the county. What is happening now is no worse. You cannot control everyone and if they go to the rounds of changing their personal circumstances in order to meet the criteria then you cannot stop it.
But make the criteria clear, fair and water tight.
Laois is a small county. Not too many players want to be known as "runners".
Your place should mean something. Club sizes never held some of the greats of GAA back, a noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
One of the greatest strengths of the GAA is that it can make ordinary places extraordinary. If you'd passed through Killeagh any other week of the year, it wouldn't have looked any different from 100 other hamlets. But the achievements of Landers and Deane mean that, from now on, whenever Killeagh is mentioned, GAA fans will nod their heads knowingly and say 'Ah yeah, Joe Deane and Mark Landers' homeplace.' ... Hurling and football keep the one-horse towns alive, practically give them a reason to be.'
Eamonn Sweeney, The Road to Croker (2004)
I'd say Laois is one of the more difficult counties in which to get an internal transfer.
The Ramsbottom Bowe Langton transfers still piss me off 20 years on. Park could've been senior with them three lads. Strad would have won f***all without them.
If you get a transfer in Tipp,you and your family can sell up such is the strength of ill feeling towards anyone that transfers
I know of 1 extreme case in Tipp of an u14 who transferred to a club across the border in another county,he was killed 6/7 years later in a car crash and his former team mates refused to do a guard of honour at his funeral.
Quote from: SCFC on November 01, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
I'd say Laois is one of the more difficult counties in which to get an internal transfer.
And rightly so.
Quote from: SCFC on November 01, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
The Ramsbottom Bowe Langton transfers still piss me off 20 years on. Park could've been senior with them three lads. Strad would have won f***all without them.
Greg Ramsbottom, Tom Bowe and Podge Langton? Did all three go at the same time? Background on that?
I always thought it was very easy to get a transfer. Provide a bogus address and away you go. It's not like anyone will check you're living there, and even if they did, and you weren't, what sanction is there? I think that's what has grated a lot of people. It has been known for a player to transfer and yet still live in the same place. That's just taking the piss in my opinion. Some lads are making out like lads who have done this have had to wrestle with their conscience. Load of crap. They're glory seekers who in the main (thankfully) profit very little. I guess karma plays its part in that.
We have an issue in Laois but we need to keep things simple. Every player, no matter what club they are a part of, should have access to Senior football/hurling. Whether that is part of a Parish/Gaels team is not as important as keeping the lad close to his area club. Transfers in the GAA, unless they are over county boundaries and for practical reasons, should not be tolerated. Exceptions to that rule should only be in unique circumstances.
Greg Ramsbottom, Tom Bowe and Podge Langton? Did all three go at the same time? Background on that
It was all around 12-18 months . Park would have had a decent enough team back then competing at Senior ! I can imagine if they had stayed they could have achieved a lot more . I recall Graigue drawing with them in the championship back then soon after they lost the three lads and they were flying it under Liam Irwin .
Quote from: Keyser Söze on November 01, 2016, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: SCFC on November 01, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
I'd say Laois is one of the more difficult counties in which to get an internal transfer.
And rightly so.
Quote from: SCFC on November 01, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
The Ramsbottom Bowe Langton transfers still piss me off 20 years on. Park could've been senior with them three lads. Strad would have won f***all without them.
Greg Ramsbottom, Tom Bowe and Podge Langton? Did all three go at the same time? Background on that?
It's so long ago now I can't remember. I could be wrong but I think Langton pulled a stroke by transferring to Naas or Leixlip or somewhere like that and then back not to Park but to Stradbally. Not at all sure of the timeframes but all within 2 years is my guess.
Quote from: High Fielder on November 01, 2016, 07:20:19 PM
I always thought it was very easy to get a transfer. Provide a bogus address and away you go. It's not like anyone will check you're living there, and even if they did, and you weren't, what sanction is there? I think that's what has grated a lot of people. It has been known for a player to transfer and yet still live in the same place. That's just taking the piss in my opinion. Some lads are making out like lads who have done this have had to wrestle with their conscience. Load of crap. They're glory seekers who in the main (thankfully) profit very little. I guess karma plays its part in that.
We have an issue in Laois but we need to keep things simple. Every player, no matter what club they are a part of, should have access to Senior football/hurling. Whether that is part of a Parish/Gaels team is not as important as keeping the lad close to his area club. Transfers in the GAA, unless they are over county boundaries and for practical reasons, should not be tolerated. Exceptions to that rule should only be in unique circumstances.
False addresses are fairly common in the GAA and from what I can see, Co boards turn a blind eye once some form of paperwork is put in place. Laois is no different. I agree that all players should have access to Senior Football/Hurling and that transfers should be the exception rather than the rule.
look no matter what you say tom bowe greg ram and p langton there all park rathineska men,,they can parade county titles they can say do what they want they left there little club in search of there own glory ,,only a handfull of gaa people do it they decimated there true club,,so there NOT strad men they are blowins to that town and would be very much reminded of it in latter years
I rather have my 2-4 county titles with Stradbally. I doubt many would say anything to them bar Pub Talk.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 02, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
I rather have my 2-4 county titles with Stradbally. I doubt many would say anything to them bar Pub Talk.
1 with Park would have been the better of 4 with Stradbally.
Bird in the hand worth two in the bush.
titles with your own club means more than making history with someone elses,,loads of great players im sure have been offerd places to go but in truth how is it as special than winning with lads you grew up with,,,broan abu this time your wrong in my opinion ,you do make alot of sense most of the time not this one though
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 02, 2016, 09:52:17 AM
Bird in the hand worth two in the bush.
That makes no sense. There was nothing in the hand at the time.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 02, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
I rather have my 2-4 county titles with Stradbally. I doubt many would say anything to them bar Pub Talk.
So lets say Mj Tierney went to portlaoise before ok you would of had no problem with it?
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 02, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
I rather have my 2-4 county titles with Stradbally. I doubt many would say anything to them bar Pub Talk.
I wouldn't.
There are examples around the county of fellas who left in search of glory having to crawl back to get it.
Others who left and ended up winning fewer county finals than they would had they stayed etc etc.
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on November 02, 2016, 09:18:14 AM
I rather have my 2-4 county titles with Stradbally. I doubt many would say anything to them bar Pub Talk.
I'd have no interest in winning anything except with my home club.
Totally agree, if you can't win them with your own club then they're not worth winning...
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Good win for Graigue over Port today. Sarsfiels hammered Ballylinan Glenmore and Joes/House comfortable over Courtwood Emo Rock yesterday.
For three clubs combined Ballylinan/Glenn were horrific....no imput from either Kileen or Arles worth talking about bar young Brennan from Arles. Same could be said for Courtwood/Emo/Rock another 3 club combination. Joes/Bh ran riot in the second half. Very talented outfit with 8 or 9 of Joes senior team playing.Joe Higgins twin boys are some talent...
Ballylinan/glenmore hadn't trained once all year and were missing a few key players, how are they expected to compete against a mountmellick team who were properly set up and trained for weeks beforehand, might want to look at the set up rather than slating young lads.
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Quote from: The Monument Road on October 23, 2016, 05:13:24 PM
Quote from: SCFC on October 23, 2016, 03:28:22 PM
Good win for Graigue over Port today. Sarsfiels hammered Ballylinan Glenmore and Joes/House comfortable over Courtwood Emo Rock yesterday.
For three clubs combined Ballylinan/Glenn were horrific....no imput from either Kileen or Arles worth talking about bar young Brennan from Arles. Same could be said for Courtwood/Emo/Rock another 3 club combination. Joes/Bh ran riot in the second half. Very talented outfit with 8 or 9 of Joes senior team playing.Joe Higgins twin boys are some talent...
Ballylinan/glenmore hadn't trained once all year and were missing a few key players, how are they expected to compete against a mountmellick team who were properly set up and trained for weeks beforehand, might want to look at the set up rather than slating young lads.
Why hadn't they trained? Their senior clubs were finished up?
I think they should be in the B. It would give them a chance to compete.
So is it managements fault?
Quote from: redsetanta on November 03, 2016, 11:27:55 PM
So is it managements fault?
No its not , it was just one of those days
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I'd say Laois is one of the more difficult counties in which to get an internal transfer.
And rightly so.
Quote from: SCFC on November 01, 2016, 02:18:05 PM
The Ramsbottom Bowe Langton transfers still piss me off 20 years on. Park could've been senior with them three lads. Strad would have won f***all without them.
Greg Ramsbottom, Tom Bowe and Podge Langton? Did all three go at the same time? Background on that?
It's so long ago now I can't remember. I could be wrong but I think Langton pulled a stroke by transferring to Naas or Leixlip or somewhere like that and then back not to Park but to Stradbally. Not at all sure of the timeframes but all within 2 years is my guess.
Park are not the only club to lose out on players from there area playing with neighbouring clubs.i see my own club had players from the heart of the town playing with O Dempsey.Good football players that would have in my opinion help port win one or two more titles back in the 90s. Mouthmel lick players playing for the rock there are a lot of clubs in the same boat.its something I don't understand
Who won the u21 graig and psgaels
Stradbally P.G 0-13
Graiguecullen 1-09
Great game that could have went either way..
I heard today rumour r whatever that p clancy is over graigcullen for the coming year???
Clancy to Graigue 100%, I think it's a good match and we should see improvement in Graigue next year. We were sorry to see him leave BallyroanAbbey and he is always welcome back.
He defiantly made great strides with yee broan Abu ,, it will be interesting to see if he can manage graigcullen many av tried and failed down there a lot failed ,, but potentialnmaybe so will see and he has started well in my opinion also in management,,, passionate fella so will watch there development,, one manager in so,,, now blinian kileen Heath broan
It's another St Josephs/ Barrowhouse V Sarsfields U21 final. The teams have won 4 of the last 5. Sarsfields have been surprise packets in that they got hammered at minor for last 3 years. AFAIK they the corresponding team didn't field at minor 3 years ago. Some turnaround. Very competitive game today with Sarsfields just about deserving it. I hate giving out about the ref but......
Might come as a shock to many but I'm backing sars to win this reasons being they haven't conceded a goal yet have the same level of firepower(Moore caffery and Jason maher all very good forwards) also going off the semi this sars team have heart and a ever say die attitude. I give Joseph's the edge in the middle but o think Sara can limit Daly and campion if they set up right and Morris is in good form at full back so id say he can limit Michael keogh but I don't see a player off Joseph's that'll keep Moore quite and caffery and maher speed will
Be very hard to handle if their double mark Moore and leave them two space
I think its going to be a very interesting final with both teams well ahead of the rest in this grade., as they say the " the cream will always rise to the top". Sars do indeed have a good one in Sean Moore with caffery and darragh Connelly fine players also, but only a fool would rule out Joes/barrowhouse with campion, james Kelly,adain brennan, two baldwins, daly, Dylan doyle, Keogh and Aaron Cooney in goals all with inter county experience on the team and joes have only conceded 2 goals (both penalty's) so far. Its going to be very close but id go Joes by 4+
Quote from: Mock on November 15, 2016, 05:49:36 PM
I think its going to be a very interesting final with both teams well ahead of the rest in this grade., as they say the " the cream will always rise to the top". Sars do indeed have a good one in Sean Moore with caffery and darragh Connelly fine players also, but only a fool would rule out Joes/barrowhouse with campion, james Kelly,adain brennan, two baldwins, daly, Dylan doyle, Keogh and Aaron Cooney in goals all with inter county experience on the team and joes have only conceded 2 goals (both penalty's) so far. Its going to be very close but id go Joes by 4+
Is Peter Kealy back? They also have Lir McDonald and the two Higgins twins which makes them quite a handful. Most of them are underage for a couple of more years.
Your forgetting they are a lot of sarsfeild players who are of that standard but for one reason or another never played with Laois sometime it was lack of interest and others time focusing on soccer ect I just have a feeling sarsfeild are going to nick this Sean Moore to the fore massively as I don't think Joseph's have a player capable of doing a job on him I thought knowls would at least limit him but was roasted completely. Sarsfeild goalie is also very good but never went to trials or anything but you would expect both final teams to have top keepers anyway
Also another point you say joes/Bhouse haven't conceded a gaol from play I think SARS have the best possibly full forward line(depending how they line up maher-Moore-caffery you'd imagine and I don't think joes have come up against that while I think joes full forward line will go like this James smith Mick keogh ciaran ramsbottom which is a classy line to be fair but I think SARS are capable of holding it at bay bar keogh of course only pososblt to limit him at underage level. Joes main threat comes from wing backs wing forwards and midfeild SARS will try get release the ball up as quickly as possible to the boys inside and joes could get caught if they attack which they wing backs are known for! And that could be they undoing. Who would ye expect to pick up Moore? Or even if he's double marked as you would imagine will happen
Ramsbottom was in corner forward against dempseys Higgins usually plays their but nether we're listed in the paper?
Quote from: Laoislad80 on November 15, 2016, 03:53:07 PM
Might come as a shock to many but I'm backing sars to win this reasons being they haven't conceded a goal yet have the same level of firepower(Moore caffery and Jason maher all very good forwards) also going off the semi this sars team have heart and a ever say die attitude. I give Joseph's the edge in the middle but o think Sara can limit Daly and campion if they set up right and Morris is in good form at full back so id say he can limit Michael keogh but I don't see a player off Joseph's that'll keep Moore quite and caffery and maher speed will
Be very hard to handle if their double mark Moore and leave them two space
Wow ye boys over around Kilcavan are very confident even bordering on cockiness.Your tactics etc as described in your posts would do Jim Gavin proud so im thinking of putting a score or two on SARS :o. Should i ????
Not cocky just think sarsfeild are being under estimated a lot by most people! They've a serious set of forwards a solid not spactualar midfeild but plenty of size their and a back line that shan't even conceded a penalty you could forgive us for being confident but joes are a serous outfit I just think we've the better set of forwards sarsfeild is where I'd put my money anyway!
Quote from: Laoislad80 on November 15, 2016, 11:31:37 PM
Not cocky just think sarsfeild are being under estimated a lot by most people! They've a serious set of forwards a solid not spactualar midfeild but plenty of size their and a back line that shan't even conceded a penalty you could forgive us for being confident but joes are a serous outfit I just think we've the better set of forwards sarsfeild is where I'd put my money anyway!
Where are you on the Sarsfield team Laoislad?
I'm not on it just have seen them play all championship matchs and would know most of their players
Can see Josephs nicking this . If they keep Moore anyway quite or if he has an off day Sarsfield will struggle .
Quote from: les Antiques on November 16, 2016, 09:43:00 AM
Can see Josephs nicking this . If they keep Moore anyway quite or if he has an off day Sarsfield will struggle .
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Who would you expect to pick up Moore? Also
Moore is the main man but he's not alone in the forwards either!
Laoislad wud you mind tellin me what clubs the sarsfields boys are from 1 to 15 out of curiosity
No problem at all I'll give you ther strongest team
Gk
Shane Dempsey(mm)
Ethan lawlor(mm) Oisin Morris(mm) Barry Conroy(mm)
Darragh Connolly(ballyfin) Gareth dunphy(ballyfin) David Connolly(ballyfin)
Max Connolly(ballyfin) ger reiley(clonasee)/James Hillard (mm)
Evan hunt(Kilcavan Jason caffery(mm) Cathal cleary(mm)
Jason maher(Kilcavan) Sean moore(ballyfin) Gary hofmiester(ballyfin
Used subs would be Conor mangan(Kilcavan) Conor comiskey(mm)
What number was Jason maher against stradbally
17 but I think he's only being eased into it and is to start against joes
Quote from: Laoislad80 on November 16, 2016, 10:15:56 AM
17 but I think he's only being eased into it and is to start against joes
Smart move, keep an element of surprise to him.
What you mean don draper? He'd be relatively unknown to having not played for Laois due to soccer I think! Not sure on that though
Quote from: Laoislad80 on November 16, 2016, 10:21:41 AM
What you mean don draper? He'd be relatively unknown to having not played for Laois due to soccer I think! Not sure on that though
Just observing he won't be very unknown if you keep shouting about him on here.
You my can guarantee that both teams know everything about eachother but the time for talking is over Saturday will decide eveterything
Quote from: Laoislad80 on November 16, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
You my can guarantee that both teams know everything about eachother but the time for talking is over Saturday will decide eveterything
Cant wait for Saturday ;)
Quote from: les Antiques on November 16, 2016, 11:00:07 AM
Quote from: Laoislad80 on November 16, 2016, 10:48:21 AM
You my can guarantee that both teams know everything about eachother but the time for talking is over Saturday will decide eveterything
Cant wait for Saturday ;)
What is your club?😉 Surly the u21 Laois team will be all port joes/Bhouse graige and SARS this year? A few from Paul's will be a on it is imagine after the minor win
I think Joes have better players all over the field.
Sars have a decent record at this level and seem to click in finals.
Joes however are better balanced and I think will win with 5-6 to spare....
Sean Moore however could have a massive say he is one serious footballer!
Unlaoised I agree that joes have the better balance both teams are solid defensively joes have the superior midfeild but joes spread their scored through out the pitch SARS don't and that's a worry I'm going to go 1-12 1-11 sarsfeild winAnd your right if joes don't contain Moore he could beat them if he's really in the mood
Has anyone a list of the u21 a championship winners since time began?
I don't anyway but I know joes/SARS seemed to have it owned the last while suppose every team in the county would have one or two
1965
Portlaoise
1966
Emo
1967
Emo
1968
Timahoe
1969
Stradbally
1970
Annanough
1971
Portarlington
1972
Portarlington
1973
O'Dempseys
1974
Portlaoise
1975
Portlaoise
1976
Portlaoise
1977
Portlaoise
1978
Portlaoise
1979
Portlaoise
1980
Portlaoise
1981
Ballyroan
1982
St Colemans
1983
Ballyroan
1984
The Heath/Park
1985
St Fiachs
1986
Portarlington
1987
St Fiachs
1988
Portarlington
1989
Courtwood/Emo
1990
Courtwood/Emo
1991
Portarlington
1992
St Colemans
1993
Portarlington
1994
Crettyard
1995
Ballylinan/Arles
1996
Sarsfields
1997
Portlaoise
1998
Portlaoise
1999
Portlaoise
2000
Portlaoise
2001
Portlaoise
2002
Portlaoise
2003
Stradbally Parish Gaels
2004
Stradbally Parish Gaels
2005
Portlaoise
2006
Portlaoise
2007
Portlaoise
2008
St Josephs/Barrowhouse
2009
Ballylinan/Glenmore
2010
Graiguecullen
2011
St Josephs/Barrowhouse
2012
Sarsfields Gaels
2013
Portlaoise
2014
Sarsfields
2015
St Josephs/Barrowhouse
Can you edit that Hesh and put the years and the clubs on the same line?
1992 St Colemans?
etc
Laoislad80 any chance you could tell me where I could get one of them new Mountmellick jersys
Sorry lad I don't know exactly but I do know some clubs have all their gear on the o Neil website (tracksuit tops half sips jerseys gearbags ect) so your best bet t to try their
Quote from: Laoiseabu on November 16, 2016, 05:38:09 PM
Laoislad80 any chance you could tell me where I could get one of them new Mountmellick jersys
https://www.oneills.com/shop-by-team/gaa/ireland/mountmellick-gaa.html
Website has every piece of gear goin bar the f*****g jersey
OK, I'll do it.
1965 Portlaoise
1966 Emo
1967 Emo
1968 Timahoe
1969 Stradbally
1970 Annanough
1971 Portarlington
1972 Portarlington
1973 O'Dempseys
1974 Portlaoise
1975 Portlaoise
1976 Portlaoise
1977 Portlaoise
1978 Portlaoise
1979 Portlaoise
1980 Portlaoise
1981 Ballyroan
1982 St Colemans
1983 Ballyroan
1984 The Heath/Park
1985 St Fiachs
1986 Portarlington
1987 St Fiachs
1988 Portarlington
1989 Courtwood/Emo
1990 Courtwood/Emo
1991 Portarlington
1992 St Colemans
1993 Portarlington
1994 Crettyard
1995 Ballylinan/Arles
1996 Sarsfields
1997 Portlaoise
1998 Portlaoise
1999 Portlaoise
2000 Portlaoise
2001 Portlaoise
2002 Portlaoise
2003 Stradbally Parish Gaels
2004 Stradbally Parish Gaels
2005 Portlaoise
2006 Portlaoise
2007 Portlaoise
2008 St Josephs/Barrowhouse
2009 Ballylinan/Glenmore
2010 Graiguecullen
2011 St Josephs/Barrowhouse
2012 Sarsfields Gaels
2013 Portlaoise
2014 Sarsfields Gaels
2015 St Josephs/Barrowhouse
2016 Sarsfields Gaels or St Josephs/Barrowhouse
Quote from: Heshs Umpire on November 16, 2016, 02:54:14 PM
1965
Portlaoise
1966
Emo
1967
Emo
1968
Timahoe
1969
Stradbally
1970
Annanough
1971
Portarlington
1972
Portarlington
1973
O'Dempseys
1974
Portlaoise
1975
Portlaoise
1976
Portlaoise
1977
Portlaoise
1978
Portlaoise
1979
Portlaoise
1980
Portlaoise
1981
Ballyroan
1982
St Colemans
1983
Ballyroan
1984
The Heath/Park
1985
St Fiachs
1986
Portarlington
1987
St Fiachs
1988
Portarlington
1989
Courtwood/Emo
1990
Courtwood/Emo
1991
Portarlington
1992
St Colemans
1993
Portarlington
1994
Crettyard
1995
Ballylinan/Arles
1996
Sarsfields
1997
Portlaoise
1998
Portlaoise
1999
Portlaoise
2000
Portlaoise
2001
Portlaoise
2002
Portlaoise
2003
Stradbally Parish Gaels
2004
Stradbally Parish Gaels
2005
Portlaoise
2006
Portlaoise
2007
Portlaoise
2008
St Josephs/Barrowhouse
2009
Ballylinan/Glenmore
2010
Graiguecullen
2011
St Josephs/Barrowhouse
2012
Sarsfields Gaels
2013
Portlaoise
2014
Sarsfields
2015
St Josephs/Barrowhouse
Thanks Hesh there was a serious standard in the years 1995-to 2000 with Sarsfields(ballyfin rock mountmellick) Ballylinan/Arles,Portlaoise and Portarlington and Joes/Barrowhouse all having some serious talent from the Laois 1995 minor team and so on...
Even the schools football in Knockbeg,Ballyfin and the C.B.S was unreal some of them matches will never be repeated talent wise!
Quote from: Laoislad80 on November 15, 2016, 03:53:07 PM
Might come as a shock to many but I'm backing sars to win this reasons being they haven't conceded a goal yet have the same level of firepower(Moore caffery and Jason maher all very good forwards) also going off the semi this sars team have heart and a ever say die attitude. I give Joseph's the edge in the middle but o think Sara can limit Daly and campion if they set up right and Morris is in good form at full back so id say he can limit Michael keogh but I don't see a player off Joseph's that'll keep Moore quite and caffery and maher speed will
Be very hard to handle if their double mark Moore and leave them two space
Well wasnt i lucky i didnt listen to you Laoislad 80. SARS were second best in every quarter bar maybe the wing back Connolly. If i was to pick either Moore or Keogh id say Keogh won it hands down. Moore kicked a few scores but he was well marsalled by James Kelly. Joes/Bh were miles the better team and won easily and probably one of the best U21 club teams i've ever seen. Commiserations to the SARS combination
Agree with that. A very controlled and dominant performance from Joes/Barrowhouse. Sarsfields were very one dimensional and had no plan after Moore. The amount of times they got turned over just looking for him highlighted a very limited game plan. The winners played as a team and worked hard for each other. I can't understand why Josephs wouldn't want the Barrowhouse lads in the Senior set up. I thought the three of them contributed to most things that were good today, and the Number 12 in particular was outstanding.
Really looks like Joseph's must go with Barrowhouse in the senior. A no brainer.
Convincing from the very start ,Sarsfield never posed much of a threat . Moore is a decent player but not as good as people make out . Having watched both Joes and Sars once before the final it was clear to see Joes had the stronger outfit . Connolly on the half back line for Sars got through a lot and is a good piece of stuff. I agree the combination of Joes and Barrowhouse is a must . Not sure if the story about the Kingstons returning is altogether true.
Wouldn't surprise me if they moved, if they are welcomed back that is. I assume the homeplace is still in Barrowhouse?
Killeen are a bit of a spent force and the real driving force behind the team has passed away so it is interesting times for them.
If this materialises it would certainly make things more interesting on the Senior Football front next year .
Disappointing final in truth. Sarsfields never really got going but to be honest as a previous poster stated, sarsfields have offered nothing at minor level for the last 3 years so making a final is a fair achievement.
St Josephs/Barrowhouse started the championship as favorites and justifiably so. probably the best team of any of the last 5 years or so. the 2 higgins twins were subs they are that strong.
Anybody have any idea on the age profile of the team?
On the moore v keogh debate. I dont think its a debate at all to be honest. Moore had 2 Josephs players on him for the entire game. It was odd to see. not a sweeper playing in front but 2 men either side for the full game. You cant really compare the two performances as like for like on that basis.
Quote from: redsetanta on November 21, 2016, 09:51:02 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if they moved, if they are welcomed back that is. I assume the homeplace is still in Barrowhouse?
Killeen are a bit of a spent force and the real driving force behind the team has passed away so it is interesting times for them.
Welcomed back with open arms i'd say.The homeplace is and always was Barrowhouse but i would be very surprised if Donie or Paul left Kileen . Allegedly kileen are exploring every avenue regarding new transfers in and various gael amalgamations to try keep it going down there and win a SFC.
Moore was well marshalled and sars didn't come up with a plan B....
Darragh connolly should go in with Laois he is a great bit of stuff best player on the park...
Great to see Joes strong again Laois needs them!