Now that the Leagues are done and dusted thoughts turn to Championship.
This was a foregone conclusion in most minds up to yesterday.
However oul dogs and hard roads ...I wouldn't dismiss the Rhubarbs yet.
We should be getting to the Final anyway.
Quarter-finals:
April 17: New York vs Sligo, London vs Leitrim
April 24: Mayo vs Galway
Semi-finals:
May 1: Roscommon vs Sligo/New York
May 8: London/Leitrim vs Mayo/Galway
Final: May 29
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on April 04, 2022, 09:25:59 PM
Quarter-finals:
April 17: New York vs Sligo, London vs Leitrim - 7:30pm (Irish time) and 2:30pm
April 24: Mayo vs Galway - 4pm
Semi-finals:
May 1: Roscommon vs Sligo/New York
May 8: London/Leitrim vs Mayo/Galway
Final: May 29
Throw in times for the first three games
Rossies will be in the final anyway, looking really good and have the easy side of the draw, will fancy their chances against whoever comes through the other bracket.
Once promotion was assured then winning the Division Two title wasn't really that important but Roscommon hitting Galway for 1-20 in consecutive weeks wouldn't fill supporters with optimism that the 2022 Connacht title will be heading for Galway in May.
Certainly the scoring returns (albeit against limited Division Two opposition outside of Roscommon) are fine and the conversion rates improved from the start of the league but in terms of the other items that needed to be ticked off the list, it's not looking good. Conceding big scores to the likes of Cork and Offaly was always a red flag and the standard of tackling which seemed to be improving in the FBD and initial league games is gone back to the same non existent stuff that we saw in CP yesterday.
Kickout strategy is a shambles, anyone with a working set of eyes at a Galway game where you can survey the outfield prior to the kickout, will see the horrific position that the goalkeepers are put in, it's criminal at this stage. Galway had a number of instances yesterday in pressure situations where the restart absolutely had to be claimed, that's the time to execute and put players in a position to win, not to have to leave it up to a lumped 50/50 and praying for a fortunate bounce.
That said no one will care about yesterday if Galway can beat Mayo, everything since the Derry game should have been scheduled to peak for that match and whatever else happened, happened.
Hard to believe that was the case but we'll see on the 24th. Certainly it's the last chance saloon for current management, but they face an extremely difficult proposition ahead in Castlebar. The injury ravaged Mayo seen yesterday won't resemble what's going to be in front of Galway in the Connacht q-final when key players return. Mayo have their own problems when it comes to the business end of the year but Horan has had Galway's number every single time and whatever about being suitable for the likes of Tyrone, "Horanball" matches up fantastically well against Galway's weaknesses.
Mayo will rightly be favourites but Rossies very look dangerous if they can get enough ball to their forwards who are shooting the lights out at the moment. Galway heading to Castlebar looking for a huge performance like was given in Owenbeg, anything less and no chance of giving Mayo any rattle.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 04, 2022, 09:07:28 PM
Now that the Leagues are done and dusted thoughts turn to Championship.
This was a foregone conclusion in most minds up to yesterday.
However oul dogs and hard roads ...I wouldn't dismiss the Rhubarbs yet.
We should be getting to the Final anyway.
Thats good to know thanks for your vote of confdence
I see the London championship game on in Carrick on Shannon early - London have a plane to catch in Knock. That's, 4pm, the latest flight to London.
Galway won 50% of their own kickouts in the first 70 minutes of the game, won a few handy ones in injury time after Murtagh got the goal and Roscommon had something to protect. Roscommon struggled too once they had to go long too but the difference was that they were able to get several more short ones away in comparison to Galway. I can't lay the blame at Flaherty either, got no chance of beating Mayo unless that stat changes. Galway got the better of Roscommon in the turnover department though.
Defensively Molloy & Fitzgerald were the biggest culprits whilst Finnerty & Conneely were both very disappointing, neither had any impact on the game. Galway did well
We'll see what happens in 3 weeks, can't say I've much optimism.
Quote from: marty34 on April 05, 2022, 02:51:07 PM
I see the London championship game on in Carrick on Shannon early - London have a plane to catch in Knock. That's, 4pm, the latest flight to London.
London v Leitrim will be played Ruislip. Big blow to Leitrim with their top scorer Keith Beirne having his red card upheld. The dead rubber against Sligo in round 7 of the league proved costly.
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
Quote from: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
Most definitely
Get to Qtr Final and be competitive there would be a big advance as apart from the Cork dead rubber and draw with Rhubarbia we were out of our depths in 2017/18/19.
Getting to Semi and be competitive would be great progress.
Only Mayo would be disappointed just getting to the semi-final stage, Rossies and Galway would take your hand off for it.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 05, 2022, 09:27:03 PM
Only Mayo would be disappointed just getting to the semi-final stage, Rossies and Galway would take your hand off for it.
Mayo reaching the semi final is expected and have done so every year Horan has managed them. Roscommon and Galway are not expected to reach the All Ireland semi final but their best hope of doing it is by winning Connacht this summer.
Are you confident of winning it Rossfan?
Winning Sam?
Probably won't.
Winning Connacht?
Dacent chance.
Quote from: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
When was last time Roscommon won a championship game in Croke Park?
Quote from: Gael85 on April 06, 2022, 08:06:24 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
When was last time Roscommon won a championship game in Croke Park?
1980 v Armagh which is pretty shocking.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 06, 2022, 08:06:24 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
When was last time Roscommon won a championship game in Croke Park?
how many championship games have they played there since?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 06, 2022, 09:37:46 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 06, 2022, 08:06:24 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
When was last time Roscommon won a championship game in Croke Park?
how many championship games have they played there since?
1990 semi v Cork (beat by 7)
1991 semi v meath (beat by 1)
rd 4 qual v tyrone
quater final draw v Mayo, beat out the gate in reply
super 8 v tyrone
super 8 v dublin
super 8 v dublin
possibly more
Quote from: Rudi on April 06, 2022, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 06, 2022, 09:37:46 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 06, 2022, 08:06:24 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
When was last time Roscommon won a championship game in Croke Park?
how many championship games have they played there since?
1990 semi v Cork (beat by 7)
1991 semi v meath (beat by 1)
rd 4 qual v tyrone
quater final draw v Mayo, beat out the gate in reply
super 8 v tyrone
super 8 v dublin
super 8 v dublin
possibly more
Played Kerry 03 in AI QF and Dublin 04 in R4 Qualifier.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 06, 2022, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: Rudi on April 06, 2022, 09:45:24 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 06, 2022, 09:37:46 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on April 06, 2022, 08:06:24 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 05, 2022, 04:42:04 PM
would an Ireland semi final be considered successful for Roscommon
When was last time Roscommon won a championship game in Croke Park?
how many championship games have they played there since?
1990 semi v Cork (beat by 7)
1991 semi v meath (beat by 1)
rd 4 qual v tyrone
quater final draw v Mayo, beat out the gate in reply
super 8 v tyrone
super 8 v dublin
super 8 v dublin
possibly more
Played Kerry 03 in AI QF and Dublin 04 in R4 Qualifier.
thats correct.
Qtr Final v Cork 2010.
11 in total?
IF things were right ye'd have played Galway someone else in 2001 as well after winning Connacht in CP. Who knows how that would have turned out. I suppose the new backdoor system didn't take into consideration of the fact that previous games not allowed etc...
New York v Sligo match will be live on GAAGO on Sunday 7:30pm Irish time.
This is apparently is the New York panel.
Mick Cunningham, Brendan Cole, Jamie Boyle,Alan Campbell, Colin Keane, Jamie Davis, Keelan Beirne, Dan O'Sullivan, Stephen Monaghan, Peter Fox, Ger McCullagh, Adrian Varley, Connell Ahern, Tiernan Mathers, Johnny Glynn, Mikey Brosnan,Stephen Curley, Dylan McDermott, Danny Corridan, Paul Kelly, Shane Hennessy, Brendan Cole, Vinnie Cadden, Conor Hogan, Keith Scally, Peter Cronin, Conor Mathers, Alan Dunne, Dylan Curran, Shane Brosnan, Sean Reilly, Kevin Loane, Jack Reilly, Ollie McLean, Eric Monahan, Niall Madine, Tony Donnelly
It includes former Galway senior footballers Adrian Varley, Eric Monahan and Hurler Johnny Glynn. Former Sligo and Roscommon underage players in Keelan Beirne and Vinnie Cadden plus Niall Madine who played senior with Down
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 12, 2022, 06:52:25 PM
New York v Sligo match will be live on GAAGO on Sunday 7:30pm Irish time.
This is apparently is the New York panel.
Mick Cunningham, Brendan Cole, Jamie Boyle,Alan Campbell, Colin Keane, Jamie Davis, Keelan Beirne, Dan O'Sullivan, Stephen Monaghan, Peter Fox, Ger McCullagh, Adrian Varley, Connell Ahern, Tiernan Mathers, Johnny Glynn, Mikey Brosnan,Stephen Curley, Dylan McDermott, Danny Corridan, Paul Kelly, Shane Hennessy, Brendan Cole, Vinnie Cadden, Conor Hogan, Keith Scally, Peter Cronin, Conor Mathers, Alan Dunne, Dylan Curran, Shane Brosnan, Sean Reilly, Kevin Loane, Jack Reilly, Ollie McLean, Eric Monahan, Niall Madine, Tony Donnelly
It includes former Galway senior footballers Adrian Varley, Eric Monahan and Hurler Johnny Glynn. Former Sligo and Roscommon underage players in Keelan Beirne and Vinnie Cadden plus Niall Madine who played senior with Down
Jamie Davis son of Tony playing with NY. He played minor and u21 for Cork. Think Keith Scally played with Westmeath. He played with NY as far back as 2015.
London 0-3 Leitrim 1-2 after 20 mins. Goal came from a penalty.
1-6 to 0-8 half time.
Full Time London 2-11 Leitrim 3-12. London cut a 8 point margin to one in injury time, last score of the game a Leitrim goal.
New York 0-10 Sligo 1-8 at half time.
Brave effort by New York just came up short. Sligo 1-16 to 0-15 winners.
That a grass or astroturf pitch the sligo, New york game on, the pitch linings a disaster.
Great effort by New York. Anyone check in on Pat Spillane, he didn't sound well in commentary, could hardly finish a sentence
How come his Lad ended up in Sligo, (yip I know his mother from there). From the games I seen of him this year he was good enough for both the Kerry and Dublin panels. Does that lad not live in Dublin.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 17, 2022, 11:23:43 PM
How come his Lad ended up in Sligo, (yip I know his mother from there). From the games I seen of him this year he was good enough for both the Kerry and Dublin panels. Does that lad not live in Dublin.
Eligible under the parentage rule. Same way Conor Cox switched to Roscommon .
Spillane never featured for Kerry underage, so would have been a bit of the Senior panel. A few Sligo players work in Dublin, so its no big deal that Spillane plays club football in Dublin.
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 17, 2022, 11:20:37 PM
Great effort by New York. Anyone check in on Pat Spillane, he didn't sound well in commentary, could hardly finish a sentence
Yes, was emotionally involved in the game and you could sense his anxiety. Nice of him to volunteer himself for this junket. An all expenses paid trip to NY to see the young lad come off the bench and a paid seat to watch the game to bout!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 17, 2022, 11:14:50 PM
That a grass or astroturf pitch the sligo, New york game on, the pitch linings a disaster.
Astroturf surface.
Quote from: SHEEDY on April 17, 2022, 11:20:37 PM
Great effort by New York. Anyone check in on Pat Spillane, he didn't sound well in commentary, could hardly finish a sentence
His first time to do co commentator and he was more like a restless fan watching the game.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQkx5ZZXwAEuwvm?format=jpg&name=small)
Did I hear them say on TSG last night that new York will play in the Taitleann Cup?
We got out of Jail barely yesterday. I was at the game and full credit to NY, they played well and have some real good players.
Sligo were destroyed at midfield until Conan Marren came in for the last 10 minutes or so and caught some great balls and distributed the ball well Pat Spillane also made a contribution when introduced. We made the all too familiar mistakes of bad passes, soloing into trouble, over carrying etc.. It certainly was a wake up call for us and I'm sure Roscommon are shaking in their boots after watching that game. ;D ;D ;D
At the end of the day it's a win and a game under our belts..
Quote from: sligoman2 on April 18, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
We got out of Jail barely yesterday. I was at the game and full credit to NY, they played well and have some real good players.
Sligo were destroyed at midfield until Conan Marren came in for the last 10 minutes or so and caught some great balls and distributed the ball well Pat Spillane also made a contribution when introduced. We made the all too familiar mistakes of bad passes, soloing into trouble, over carrying etc.. It certainly was a wake up call for us and I'm sure Roscommon are shaking in their boots after watching that game. ;D ;D ;D
At the end of the day it's a win and a game under our belts..
Roscommon themselves know all about scares in New York after what happened in 2016.
What's the position with Luke Towey, Pat Hughes for this upcoming semi final, all starters normally but weren't on the 26 yesterday.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 18, 2022, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: sligoman2 on April 18, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
We got out of Jail barely yesterday. I was at the game and full credit to NY, they played well and have some real good players.
Sligo were destroyed at midfield until Conan Marren came in for the last 10 minutes or so and caught some great balls and distributed the ball well Pat Spillane also made a contribution when introduced. We made the all too familiar mistakes of bad passes, soloing into trouble, over carrying etc.. It certainly was a wake up call for us and I'm sure Roscommon are shaking in their boots after watching that game. ;D ;D ;D
At the end of the day it's a win and a game under our belts..
Roscommon themselves know all about scares in New York after what happened in 2016.
I believe they are injured - Towey was supposed to start I think but was substituted before the game. Not sure about Hughes, hopefully they are available for the Rossies..
What's the position with Luke Towey, Pat Hughes for this upcoming semi final, all starters normally but weren't on the 26 yesterday.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 18, 2022, 11:22:03 AM
Did I hear them say on TSG last night that new York will play in the Taitleann Cup?
Yes they get a bye into quarter finals on June 5/6.
Sligo v Ros game moved from 1st May to 5pm Saturday 30th April at 5pm " on Garda advice and due to Horse racing".
Arrive home from an overseas break Sunday morning.
Thanks Connacht Council, Gardai and Horsy shower!
2nd ever time for me to miss a Ros Championship game in Europe since I was brought to my first game in 1979 :'(
First time was November 2020.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 21, 2022, 12:02:14 AM
Sligo v Ros game moved from 1st May to 5pm Saturday 30th April at 5pm " on Garda advice and due to Horse racing".
Arrive home from an overseas break Sunday morning.
Thanks Connacht Council, Gardai and Horsy shower!
2nd ever time for me to miss a Ros Championship game in Europe since I was brought to my first game in 1979 :'(
First time was November 2020.
A change made this close to a championship game? Another example that those in power has zero respect for supporters attending a game.
10 days before the fixture.....
Some lads had Sunday nights booked in Sligo area for a good night and Bank Holidsy to recover. Saturday night prices apparently off the planet.
The oul paying customer isn't exactly being cared for by CC.
Anybody hazard a prediction as to how this weekend will go? I'm worried our injury situation might be our undoing. That and the fact a good few of the fringe players didn't put their hands up when given a chance towards the end of the league campaign. I hope Horan had his championship team in his head towards the end of the league campaign.
https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10079023/
Mullin and McLaughlin named to start. DOC on the bench, Durcan not named in the squad. AOS partnering Ruane in midfield.
1. Rory Byrne – Ruairi O'Broin – Castlebar Mitchels
2. Lee Keegan – Laoi MacAogáin – Westport
3. Oisín Mullin - Oisín Ó'Maoláin - Kilmaine
4. Padraig O'Hora – Pádraig O'hOra – Ballina Stephenites
5. Stephen Coen © – Stiofáin O'Cadhain – Hollymount/Carramore
6. Michael Plunkett – Micheal Pluincéid – Ballintubber
7. Eoghan McLaughlin - Eoghan MacLochlainn - Westport
8. Aidan O'Shea – Aodhán O'Sé – Breaffy
9. Matthew Ruane - Maitiú Ó'Ruáin - Breaffy
10. Kevin McLoughlin - Caoimhín MacLochlainn - Knockmore
11. Ryan O'Donoghue – Riain O'Donnachadh - Beal a Mhuirthead
12. Conor Loftus – Conchur O'Lachtnáin – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
13. James Carr - Seamus MacGiolla Cheara - Ardagh
14. Jason Doherty - Séasáon Dochartaigh - Burrishoole
15. Cillian O'Connor - Cillian Ó'Conchúir - Ballintubber
SUBS:
16. Colm Reape - Coilm O'Reabaigh - Knockmore
17. Enda Hession - Éanna Ó hOisín - Garrymore
18. Rory Brickenden - Ruairí Brickenden - Westport
19. David McBrien - Dáithí MacBriain - Ballaghadereen
20. Conor O'Shea – Conchur O'Sé – Breaffy
21. Fergal Boland - Fearghal Ó'Beolláin - Aghamore
22. Darren McHale - Darán MacCéile – Knockmore
23. Aiden Orme – Aodhán Orme – Knockmore
24. Darren Coen - Darán Ó'Cadhain - Hollymount Carramore
25. Diarmuid O'Connor - Diarmuid Ó'Conchúir - Ballintubber
26. Jack Carney - Sean O'Cearnaigh – Kilmeena
My main concern for Sunday is the blueprint to contain or beat us has become really simple.
Mayo have currently only one (two if Conor Loftus plays in the forwards) starting forwards who has the ability to consistently take on his marker and go around them thereby open up a back line. Unfortunately the focus has continued be produce endless runners ( which is incredibly important) but our inability to take on defenders and in addition not being able to score beyond 30-35 yards makes us so easy to defend against.
Given the injuries we have, Diarmuid O Connor ,Patrick Durcan, Jordan Flynn and possibly Robert Hennelley, and the fact that we will have a new midfield paring makes this a bigger challenge.
(if James Horan thinks Conor O Shea is good enough and hopefully he will be, why did he not play him against Kildare, in what was a meaningless game to give him midfield experience, now he is our only option on the bench for midfield).
I never criticize individuals on the panel, as they have put in an unimaginable number of hours to prepare themselves, I am more frustrated that our management never seems to learn from past experiences/defeats, and how
1.They have not developed fast scoring forwards, and have a very poor job with building the confidence of fringe forwards.
2.Some of the team selections have been poor
3.Most of what tactics we employ or more accurately the lack of tactics.
Examples of this , 2012 final, 1st half of 2021 Connacht final, 2021 All Ireland, 2022 league final.
More hopeful than confident for Sunday, especially if Walsh and Comer stay on the field for 70 minutes,
I have read some lazy analysis going back to last year's Connaught Final and how Mayo blew Galway away.
I was at it Mayo were shocking in the first half and Galway could have been up by six or seven not five at HT.
People also forget, that Walsh essentially did not play in the second half, and that Comer punched the ball off the crossbar with the game level at 2-8 to 1-11 15 mins into second half.
very slim margins indeed.
maybe our focus this year has been on this coming Sunday and we did not want to show our hand.
I will be very very happy to be proved wrong.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 21, 2022, 10:29:57 PM
Anybody hazard a prediction as to how this weekend will go? I'm worried our injury situation might be our undoing. That and the fact a good few of the fringe players didn't put their hands up when given a chance towards the end of the league campaign. I hope Horan had his championship team in his head towards the end of the league campaign.
Mayo should win given the disparity between the levels that both teams are operating at, be hoping for a big Galway performance and see where that takes them, no 2nd half capitulation like last year at least.
For Horan whether Mayo win the All Ireland this year or not is the big question, the result of this match won't matter much depending on how the year pans out for Mayo, but for PJ I'm afraid this match is win or bust, Connacht title is the only shot left he has to win something in three years at the helm, mightn't be fair given that they are playing a top 4 team but it's go hard or go home Sunday.
Galway team
Connor Gleeson
Liam Silke
Sean Kelly
Jack Glynn
Dylan McHugh
John Daly
Kieran Molloy
Paul Conroy
Matthew Tierney
Finnian O Laoí
Niall Daly
Johnny Heaney
Robert Finnerty
Damien Comer
Shane Walsh
Subs
James Keane
Johnny McGrath
Cillian McDaid
Billy Mannion
Tony Gill
Patrick Kelly
Paul Kelly
Owen Gallagher
Cormac McWalter
Dessie Conneely
Tomo Culhane
Gleeson in goal seriously weakens that team, his kick outs aren't great at the best of times without the pressure Mayo are going to put on him. Don't think his full back line fully trust him either. Delighted to see Molloy moved out of the corner, wing back is his best position. Niall Daly is a surprise, McDaid obviously still injured but good to see McHugh back in. No Paul Kelly either which is surprising.
Gleeson and Glynn in that fifteen worries me I have to say.
I'd be worried full stop.
Fancy Galway myself don't know why and say the same nearly every year but think they will win
As is the norm these days, neither side likely to start as currently named. Will be travelling more in hope than expectation. Mayo are operating at a much higher level than Galway and much of the stuff we were getting away with during the league will be easily exposed by any solid Div 1 team. A win would be a welcome surprise but that's the height of my expectation unfortunately.
Mighty day for the game anyways. May the best team win - so long as it's Mayo. ;D
Galway very capable of causing an upset here.
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 02:55:44 PM
Galway very capable of causing an upset here.
Galway need to produce a good defensive showing to pull off the win. The bookies/punters reckon Mayo by 2 points.
Any late changes to the starting teams?
Diarmuid O'Connor for Kevin McLoughlin.
"Packed to the rafters" says your one from RTÉ with the load of empty seats behind the far goal in view.
The groundsman go for artistic license for the box and semi circle in this game.
Great start for Galway. Mayo caught out badly on their kick out for the goal. 1-4 to 0-2 after 10 minutes.
Cillian bit of a Swan dive there, never a black card. That's twice he has won a decision that was never a free.
That time wasting lark is taking the f**king piss! I'd have three the ball in there.. the goal keeper at it also
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 24, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
That time wasting lark is taking the f**king piss! I'd have three the ball in there.. the goal keeper at it also
Blame those who drafted the rule.
The way the rule was written was always going to encourage time wasting.
If the rule was 10 minutes of playing time with the clock stopped for injuries/kickouts/substitutions etc there would be no incentive for a team a man down to time-waste.
Half time Mayo 0-9 Galway 1-6. The home side the better team for the last 20 minutes helped with a soft black card.
O'Connor conned the referee. At this for years.
Mayo fairly on top now, Galway gone out of it.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 24, 2022, 04:46:17 PM
O'Connor conned the referee. At this for years.
Was the umpire he conned.
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 04:47:24 PM
Mayo fairly on top now, Galway gone out of it.
Only one winner now. Mayo will press the Galway kickout. They usually crumble when opposition does this.
Quote from: Gael85 on April 24, 2022, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 24, 2022, 04:47:24 PM
Mayo fairly on top now, Galway gone out of it.
Only one winner now. Mayo will press the Galway kickout. They usually crumble when opposition does this.
I wanted Galway to cause an upset but after watching some of the muck earlier I'm appreciating Mayo at least try play good football and are good for the neutrals.
Ryan O'Donoghue having a great game.
RTE coverage is so crap now. Cora Staunton on calling all Mayo players by first name and basically cheerleading, and there to tick a box.
Then Spillane spluttering out gibberish and hard to listen to. BBC NI certainly has the best punditry now.
Why have a mayo pundit on the show?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 24, 2022, 04:57:48 PM
Why have a mayo pundit on the show?
Especially to cheerlead and nobody from Galway
50 minutes played. Mayo 0-10 Galway 1-10.
Coldrick bottled black card.
What was McLaughlin booked for?
60 minutes played. Mayo 0-11 Galway 1-12.
Vivuzuelas and horns should be banned by GAA extremely irritating during this match and serve no purpose
4 minutes of injury time to play Mayo 0-14 Galway 1-14
Galway hang on for a deserved win. Mayo 0-16 Galway 1-14.
Mayo have this
Well done Galway, just about the only one of my predictions that has come in this weekend. :)
Fair play to Galway they deserved it just about!!
Yeah think Galway deserved that win, I'm not surprised I thought they would do it. Mayo getting tanked in the league final was terrible preparation for this
f**k it. >:(
Pile of rubbish
Galway was the better team i thought by some distance and only for nervy finishes to both halves they would have won comfortably. Mayo going 20 minutes without a score they won't have to look long to see where this game was lost. They'll recover to reach the knock out stages i can imagine.
Nice oul win.
Mayo need to park it for a few years and avoid All Ireland finals. They need to refresh .
Well done to Galway. Thought Mayo had it. Paul Conroy 2 points from play and Shane Walsh 3 points from placed balls in second half were major scores.
Delighted with the win. We defended well.
Kick outs almost cost us the game but we hung on!
Quote from: Gael85 on April 24, 2022, 06:08:44 PM
Well done to Galway. Thought Mayo had it. Paul Conroy 2 points from play and Shane Walsh 3 points from placed balls in second half were major scores.
They were and holding Mayo to a mere 0-11 in 67 minutes of football was key. Galway clearly improved their defensive set up from the two league games against Roscommon.
Loads of Galway supporters was pessimistic about that game today and that should be replaced with the confidence of repeating their 2018 championship campaign now.
Better team won on the day. Coldrick did his best to guide Mayo back into the game when they were dead and buried trailing by 5 with 2 VERY soft frees leading directly to 2 Mayo scores to put just a goal between them.
Quote from: seafoid on April 24, 2022, 05:55:56 PM
Nice oul win.
Mayo need to park it for a few years and avoid All Ireland finals. They need to refresh .
Galway have done this for years and look at the good it has done them! ;D
Well done Galway, well deserved win today! Time to drive on.......they have the players!
My main concern for Sunday is the blueprint to contain or beat us has become really simple.
Mayo have currently only one (two if Conor Loftus plays in the forwards) starting forwards who has the ability to consistently take on his marker and go around them thereby open up a back line. Unfortunately the focus has continued be produce endless runners ( which is incredibly important) but our inability to take on defenders and in addition not being able to score beyond 30-35 yards makes us so easy to defend against.
Given the injuries we have, Diarmuid O Connor ,Patrick Durcan, Jordan Flynn and possibly Robert Hennelley, and the fact that we will have a new midfield paring makes this a bigger challenge.
(if James Horan thinks Conor O Shea is good enough and hopefully he will be, why did he not play him against Kildare, in what was a meaningless game to give him midfield experience, now he is our only option on the bench for midfield).
I never criticize individuals on the panel, as they have put in an unimaginable number of hours to prepare themselves, I am more frustrated that our management never seems to learn from past experiences/defeats, and how
1.They have not developed fast scoring forwards, and have a very poor job with building the confidence of fringe forwards.
2.Some of the team selections have been poor
3.Most of what tactics we employ or more accurately the lack of tactics.
Examples of this , 2012 final, 1st half of 2021 Connacht final, 2021 All Ireland, 2022 league final.
2002 Connacht Q/final
More hopeful than confident for Sunday, especially if Walsh and Comer stay on the field for 70 minutes,
I have read some lazy analysis going back to last year's Connaught Final and how Mayo blew Galway away.
I was at it Mayo were shocking in the first half and Galway could have been up by six or seven not five at HT.
People also forget, that Walsh essentially did not play in the second half, and that Comer punched the ball off the crossbar with the game level at 2-8 to 1-11 15 mins into second half.
very slim margins indeed.
maybe our focus this year has been on this coming Sunday and we did not want to show our hand.
I will be very very happy to be proved wrong.
Just added the part in bold.
The team selection was mesmerizing along with the lack of a game plan.
I suppose ourselves, Laythrum and Sligo may as well pack our bags and head for the Qualifiers/Tailteann :-\ .
Any team that beat Mayowestros so comprehensively (except on scoreboard) will make short work of the rest of us.
Anyway fir the record
Sligo v Ros rearranged to 30/4 at 5 pm in Markypark.
Galway v Leitrim in Salthill 7 or 8 May.
Final 29th May. In Salthill if Galway v Ros. Any other pairing I'd expect would be in Castlebar.
Jordan Flynn big loss for Mayo today. Was having a good season up to injury in league final. Mayo still have Hennelly and Durcan to come back.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 24, 2022, 07:00:32 PM
Better team won on the day. Coldrick did his best to guide Mayo back into the game when they were dead and buried trailing by 5 with 2 VERY soft frees leading directly to 2 Mayo scores to put just a goal between them.
Maybe it's the bias but at the match I thought Coldrick was a disgrace not giving the black card and a pile of soft frees for Mayo on top of that, Cillian O'Connor could have murdered someone out there and I wonder would Coldrick have even looked at his book to give a tick.
Galway got serious white line fever and nearly fucked it away, kickouts will ultimately be our undoing, terrible again.
Great win in Castlebar but I thought Mayo were clueless in second half, incredible to see really given all Horan and those players have come up against before, Galway basically copied what Kerry did in league final but we don't have as good players to drive it home when on top.
Tierney and a few other Galway lads need to seriously up it if we're to win Connacht, lot of unforced mistakes out there today, Comer and Conroy were immense though, serious footballers.
Forgot to congratulate Galway earlier.
They were the better team by far.
Especially happy for Conroy, he has toiled for a long-time and I can rememberer him being one of the few Galway to stand up, back when Mayo were the dominant team.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 24, 2022, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 24, 2022, 07:00:32 PM
Better team won on the day. Coldrick did his best to guide Mayo back into the game when they were dead and buried trailing by 5 with 2 VERY soft frees leading directly to 2 Mayo scores to put just a goal between them.
Maybe it's the bias but at the match I thought Coldrick was a disgrace not giving the black card and a pile of soft frees for Mayo on top of that, Cillian O'Connor could have murdered someone out there and I wonder would Coldrick have even looked at his book to give a tick.
Galway got serious white line fever and nearly fucked it away, kickouts will ultimately be our undoing, terrible again.
Great win in Castlebar but I thought Mayo were clueless in second half, incredible to see really given all Horan and those players have come up against before, Galway basically copied what Kerry did in league final but we don't have as good players to drive it home when on top.
Tierney and a few other Galway lads need to seriously up it if we're to win Connacht, lot of unforced mistakes out there today, Comer and Conroy were immense though, serious footballers.
As I said before, any team with a good defensive set up will beat Mayo.
We don't have the players - due to injuries or otherwise - to use the running game anymore. Let's be honest, Mullin hasn't set the world alight and is not a man marker in the mould of Chris Barrett or Higgins in his heyday.
Galway totally dominated midfield, Jordan Flynn sorely missed. Ruane wasn't at the races at all today, (nor the league final either for that matter). Hopefully our injuries clear up in the next 6 weeks, but until our forwards can do what Galway's forwards did today then the shark infested waters of the backdoor could swallow us up.
The more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed that Cillian O'Connor started today. Before throw in I said it'd be a madness call if he started because he clearly couldn't be ready.
But even more than that, James Horans biggest and arguably only quality is that he brings through young players very well. So today he could've given Orme or Carney an opportunity and live or die by the outcome.
But no COC is back so he starts. He now knows he doesn't need to up his game at all because he's an automatic starter. He wasn't fit today, he contributed nothing, and took frees off our best forward because he is who he is.
He could've started a young player today and if it didn't work you have a fired up COC coming off the bench to earn his place. But instead COC is ineffective and you have no options off the bench.
One of the main things I can't get over is the 45s. He can't take them, whatever about the frees he kicked the easy ones and missed the big one but whatever he's kicked enough frees to earn a bit of leeway there. But he can't take 45s, he probably hasn't kicked one in 10 years. It would be okay if the frees were split between him and ROD based on ability. But COC has to take everything.
He'll start the next day. He knows that. So why push that extra yard?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 24, 2022, 11:08:29 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 24, 2022, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 24, 2022, 07:00:32 PM
Better team won on the day. Coldrick did his best to guide Mayo back into the game when they were dead and buried trailing by 5 with 2 VERY soft frees leading directly to 2 Mayo scores to put just a goal between them.
Maybe it's the bias but at the match I thought Coldrick was a disgrace not giving the black card and a pile of soft frees for Mayo on top of that, Cillian O'Connor could have murdered someone out there and I wonder would Coldrick have even looked at his book to give a tick.
Galway got serious white line fever and nearly fucked it away, kickouts will ultimately be our undoing, terrible again.
Great win in Castlebar but I thought Mayo were clueless in second half, incredible to see really given all Horan and those players have come up against before, Galway basically copied what Kerry did in league final but we don't have as good players to drive it home when on top.
Tierney and a few other Galway lads need to seriously up it if we're to win Connacht, lot of unforced mistakes out there today, Comer and Conroy were immense though, serious footballers.
As I said before, any team with a good defensive set up will beat Mayo.
We don't have the players - due to injuries or otherwise - to use the running game anymore. Let's be honest, Mullin hasn't set the world alight and is not a man marker in the mould of Chris Barrett or Higgins in his heyday.
Galway totally dominated midfield, Jordan Flynn sorely missed. Ruane wasn't at the races at all today, (nor the league final either for that matter). Hopefully our injuries clear up in the next 6 weeks, but until our forwards can do what Galway's forwards did today then the shark infested waters of the backdoor could swallow us up.
I think this falls squarely on Horan. He refuses to adapt so we're still playing the one game plan running game. But we had no runners today. So we were playing a running game with no runners.
I have to say about Mullin too, and I said it last year, there's far too much pressure on him. He's been made out as some saviour of mayo football but we really haven't seen it from him.
He hasn't been very good this year. He was very poor in last years final, and didn't really feature before that. He did decently as a new player in the 2020 final when nobody else really played well. But I think expectations need to be reigned in a bit.
My starting half back line, all fit, would be Durcan Coen McLaughlin. Have Mullin on the bench, a bit less pressure, and let him really up his game to win his place
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:14:11 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed that Cillian O'Connor started today. Before throw in I said it'd be a madness call if he started because he clearly couldn't be ready.
But even more than that, James Horans biggest and arguably only quality is that he brings through young players very well. So today he could've given Orme or Carney an opportunity and live or die by the outcome.
But no COC is back so he starts. He now knows he doesn't need to up his game at all because he's an automatic starter. He wasn't fit today, he contributed nothing, and took frees off our best forward because he is who he is.
He could've started a young player today and if it didn't work you have a fired up COC coming off the bench to earn his place. But instead COC is ineffective and you have no options off the bench.
One of the main things I can't get over is the 45s. He can't take them, whatever about the frees he kicked the easy ones and missed the big one but whatever he's kicked enough frees to earn a bit of leeway there. But he can't take 45s, he probably hasn't kicked one in 10 years. It would be okay if the frees were split between him and ROD based on ability. But COC has to take everything.
He'll start the next day. He knows that. So why push that extra yard?
No.
You'd swear reading this post that Mayo have a cluster of high quality forwards to turn to.
They don't. Not even close. And with Conroy out for the season, their AI hopes are dependent on someone taking the pressure of O'Donaghue.
There's effectively one game to get this going ahead of the knockout stages.
The most consistent forward the county has ever produced is ready and willing.
Anyone who doesn't start him today is eating too much meat or forgetting to take some carbs. They're not balanced anyhow.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2022, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:14:11 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed that Cillian O'Connor started today. Before throw in I said it'd be a madness call if he started because he clearly couldn't be ready.
But even more than that, James Horans biggest and arguably only quality is that he brings through young players very well. So today he could've given Orme or Carney an opportunity and live or die by the outcome.
But no COC is back so he starts. He now knows he doesn't need to up his game at all because he's an automatic starter. He wasn't fit today, he contributed nothing, and took frees off our best forward because he is who he is.
He could've started a young player today and if it didn't work you have a fired up COC coming off the bench to earn his place. But instead COC is ineffective and you have no options off the bench.
One of the main things I can't get over is the 45s. He can't take them, whatever about the frees he kicked the easy ones and missed the big one but whatever he's kicked enough frees to earn a bit of leeway there. But he can't take 45s, he probably hasn't kicked one in 10 years. It would be okay if the frees were split between him and ROD based on ability. But COC has to take everything.
He'll start the next day. He knows that. So why push that extra yard?
No.
You'd swear reading this post that Mayo have a cluster of high quality forwards to turn to.
They don't. Not even close. And with Conroy out for the season, their AI hopes are dependent on someone taking the pressure of O'Donaghue.
There's effectively one game to get this going ahead of the knockout stages.
The most consistent forward the county has ever produced is ready and willing.
Anyone who doesn't start him today is eating too much meat or forgetting to take some carbs. They're not balanced anyhow.
What did he contribute today? Because he clearly wasn't and couldn't possibly have been fit. I'm not suggesting he be exiled, but I'd prefer he came on with something to prove when the game is in the melting pot than what actually transpired
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2022, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:14:11 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed that Cillian O'Connor started today. Before throw in I said it'd be a madness call if he started because he clearly couldn't be ready.
But even more than that, James Horans biggest and arguably only quality is that he brings through young players very well. So today he could've given Orme or Carney an opportunity and live or die by the outcome.
But no COC is back so he starts. He now knows he doesn't need to up his game at all because he's an automatic starter. He wasn't fit today, he contributed nothing, and took frees off our best forward because he is who he is.
He could've started a young player today and if it didn't work you have a fired up COC coming off the bench to earn his place. But instead COC is ineffective and you have no options off the bench.
One of the main things I can't get over is the 45s. He can't take them, whatever about the frees he kicked the easy ones and missed the big one but whatever he's kicked enough frees to earn a bit of leeway there. But he can't take 45s, he probably hasn't kicked one in 10 years. It would be okay if the frees were split between him and ROD based on ability. But COC has to take everything.
He'll start the next day. He knows that. So why push that extra yard?
No.
You'd swear reading this post that Mayo have a cluster of high quality forwards to turn to.
They don't. Not even close. And with Conroy out for the season, their AI hopes are dependent on someone taking the pressure of O'Donaghue.
There's effectively one game to get this going ahead of the knockout stages.
The most consistent forward the county has ever produced is ready and willing.
Anyone who doesn't start him today is eating too much meat or forgetting to take some carbs. They're not balanced anyhow.
What did he contribute today? Because he clearly wasn't and couldn't possibly have been fit. I'm not suggesting he be exiled, but I'd prefer he came on with something to prove when the game is in the melting pot than what actually transpired
Mayo will be in the mix, so you think Cillian O'C shouldn't be given championship game time to be sharp for the business end?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 24, 2022, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:32:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2022, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:14:11 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed that Cillian O'Connor started today. Before throw in I said it'd be a madness call if he started because he clearly couldn't be ready.
But even more than that, James Horans biggest and arguably only quality is that he brings through young players very well. So today he could've given Orme or Carney an opportunity and live or die by the outcome.
But no COC is back so he starts. He now knows he doesn't need to up his game at all because he's an automatic starter. He wasn't fit today, he contributed nothing, and took frees off our best forward because he is who he is.
He could've started a young player today and if it didn't work you have a fired up COC coming off the bench to earn his place. But instead COC is ineffective and you have no options off the bench.
One of the main things I can't get over is the 45s. He can't take them, whatever about the frees he kicked the easy ones and missed the big one but whatever he's kicked enough frees to earn a bit of leeway there. But he can't take 45s, he probably hasn't kicked one in 10 years. It would be okay if the frees were split between him and ROD based on ability. But COC has to take everything.
He'll start the next day. He knows that. So why push that extra yard?
No.
You'd swear reading this post that Mayo have a cluster of high quality forwards to turn to.
They don't. Not even close. And with Conroy out for the season, their AI hopes are dependent on someone taking the pressure of O'Donaghue.
There's effectively one game to get this going ahead of the knockout stages.
The most consistent forward the county has ever produced is ready and willing.
Anyone who doesn't start him today is eating too much meat or forgetting to take some carbs. They're not balanced anyhow.
What did he contribute today? Because he clearly wasn't and couldn't possibly have been fit. I'm not suggesting he be exiled, but I'd prefer he came on with something to prove when the game is in the melting pot than what actually transpired
Mayo will be in the mix, so you think Cillian O'C shouldn't be given championship game time to be sharp for the business end?
He could've got 30 minutes of the bench today and worked from there
This year most of the D3 and 4 teams will be playing in the Tailteann Cup. Qualifiers will be more challenging. Plus the Final is 3 months away. Mayo won't have all
the time in the world to reach cruising speed.
Great to get the win but by God did we make hard work of it late on. Root cause as usual was our kickouts with us only retaining 63% of our own ball (Mayo were 83%!!!) and it will be our Waterloo eventually. We were definitely more solid defensively but a lot of that was helped by Mayo's very lateral play outside our 45 - they just couldn't get any runners to break Galway's formation which was somewhat surprising. Conroy, Comer, Kelly, Molloy & Walsh (clearly not fully fit) put in a serious shift. On we go with much to work on for sure but this was a small step in the right direction.
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 06:45:11 AM
This year most of the D3 and 4 teams will be playing in the Tailteann Cup. Qualifiers will be more challenging. Plus the Final is 3 months away. Mayo won't have all
the time in the world to reach cruising speed.
I think the six weeks will suit them down to the ground, as regards their injuries/giving them a chance to rest/get a break.
While the qualifiers will be more challenging, there could be a couple of handy enough teams in their and scope for a friendly enough draw depending on how things shake out.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:18:01 PM
I have to say about Mullin too, and I said it last year, there's far too much pressure on him. He's been made out as some saviour of mayo football but we really haven't seen it from him.
He hasn't been very good this year. He was very poor in last years final, and didn't really feature before that. He did decently as a new player in the 2020 final when nobody else really played well. But I think expectations need to be reigned in a bit.
My starting half back line, all fit, would be Durcan Coen McLaughlin. Have Mullin on the bench, a bit less pressure, and let him really up his game to win his place
So you're dropping Mullin and Cillian O'Connor, but Coen starts, even though I don't think he's finished a game all year without being subbed? I see. Well, it's a plan, certainly.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 25, 2022, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2022, 06:45:11 AM
This year most of the D3 and 4 teams will be playing in the Tailteann Cup. Qualifiers will be more challenging. Plus the Final is 3 months away. Mayo won't have all
the time in the world to reach cruising speed.
I think the six weeks will suit them down to the ground, as regards their injuries/giving them a chance to rest/get a break.
While the qualifiers will be more challenging, there could be a couple of handy enough teams in their and scope for a friendly enough draw depending on how things shake out.
I'd agree. Even some of possible harder games Mayo could get I'd still fancy them to reach the last 8 and then apart from maybe Kerry i don't think any of the provincial winners will want to draw Mayo.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 24, 2022, 10:21:21 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 24, 2022, 07:00:32 PM
Better team won on the day. Coldrick did his best to guide Mayo back into the game when they were dead and buried trailing by 5 with 2 VERY soft frees leading directly to 2 Mayo scores to put just a goal between them.
Maybe it's the bias but at the match I thought Coldrick was a disgrace not giving the black card and a pile of soft frees for Mayo on top of that, Cillian O'Connor could have murdered someone out there and I wonder would Coldrick have even looked at his book to give a tick.
Galway got serious white line fever and nearly fucked it away, kickouts will ultimately be our undoing, terrible again.
Great win in Castlebar but I thought Mayo were clueless in second half, incredible to see really given all Horan and those players have come up against before, Galway basically copied what Kerry did in league final but we don't have as good players to drive it home when on top.
Tierney and a few other Galway lads need to seriously up it if we're to win Connacht, lot of unforced mistakes out there today, Comer and Conroy were immense though, serious footballers.
O'Connor very lucky not to get the line, that tackle on Patrick Kelly probably warranted a red card. Galway only had one free in the scoring zone on Sunday and that was a fairly soft on Walsh so you've got to give Mayo credit for their tackling or lack of fouling whichever way you look at it. Doherty & O'Connor both hit the ground under no pressure to win frees in the 1st half whilst the latter managed once again to con the referee with the black card O'Laoi received. Heard a lot of moaning about the referee and Galway time wasting but 3 times the referee told Galway to get on with game when the man was down injured.
Walsh whilst clearly not fit had a huge impact, he nailed 2 45's and a free just outside the 45m line against the wind; He's improved in this department in recent years and deserves more credit then he's getting.
Mayo had a lot of wides but they were shooting from very difficult angles, think their was only once they missed from around the D and that was Ruane midway the 2nd half. Conroy missed 2 you's expect him to normally score and O'Laoi missed one he should be nailing.
Silke had a nightmare in the first half, directly involved in nearly every Mayo score from play but had a great 2nd half. Galway did well on the long kickouts until the 65th minute when they lost the plot, 4 long kickouts lost and another one lost within seconds whilst the one short one which was given to John Daly resulted in a free in to Mayo. We all know its a huge problem which eventually will be Galway's downfall.
I've been impressed with Glynn and McHugh deserves credit because there wasn't too many of us who thought he could hack it as this level but he had another good game; He's a clever footballer. Patrick Kelly did very well when he came on, was impressed with Owen Gallagher earlier on in the year and a little bit surprised not to see him Sunday unless there's some sort of injury issue.
Joyce will be delighted with the win but will be very disappointed from the 65th minute onwards, Galway let a team back in it who were completely devoid of any ideas how to break them down because of their inability to retain primary possession.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 26, 2022, 10:59:01 AM
O'Connor very lucky not to get the line, that tackle on Patrick Kelly probably warranted a red card. Galway only had one free in the scoring zone on Sunday and that was a fairly soft on Walsh so you've got to give Mayo credit for their tackling or lack of fouling whichever way you look at it. Doherty & O'Connor both hit the ground under no pressure to win frees in the 1st half whilst the latter managed once again to con the referee with the black card O'Laoi received. Heard a lot of moaning about the referee and Galway time wasting but 3 times the referee told Galway to get on with game when the man was down injured.
Amazed that there is so much whinging from Mayo about the referee, he did his absolute level best for them on Sunday, what more did they want aside from several extremely soft, handy frees and Cillian allowed to continue on with his usual tricks in terms of "gamesmanship" and "mistimed tackling" with impunity. The injury layoff might have robbed him of full fitness and sharpness Sunday but he was straight back to top class form on those aspects.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 26, 2022, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on April 26, 2022, 10:59:01 AM
O'Connor very lucky not to get the line, that tackle on Patrick Kelly probably warranted a red card. Galway only had one free in the scoring zone on Sunday and that was a fairly soft on Walsh so you've got to give Mayo credit for their tackling or lack of fouling whichever way you look at it. Doherty & O'Connor both hit the ground under no pressure to win frees in the 1st half whilst the latter managed once again to con the referee with the black card O'Laoi received. Heard a lot of moaning about the referee and Galway time wasting but 3 times the referee told Galway to get on with game when the man was down injured.
Amazed that there is so much whinging from Mayo about the referee, he did his absolute level best for them on Sunday, what more did they want aside from several extremely soft, handy frees and Cillian allowed to continue on with his usual tricks in terms of "gamesmanship" and "mistimed tackling" with impunity. The injury layoff might have robbed him of full fitness and sharpness Sunday but he was straight back to top class form on those aspects.
I thought he could have added on a bit more at the end. But Mayo lost the game due to being ineffective going forward when Galway had 15 on the field. Ó Laoí looking back shouldn't have got a black. So we'd be more behind if he hadn't been sin-binned imo. Also the facr we scored 0-2 for half an hour in the second half, the first straight after half time means that no Mayo fan in their right mind could blame the ref. And yes, if Mayo had to kill time, I'd be the first one shouting it. So no qualms from me there.
An interesting game. As if anyone didn't know, but Galway are a different team with Shane Walsh fit. It was quite generous of Mayo to let them in to practice on the new sod - which looked great. I expected a close Galway win because of the Mayo injuries. Seems to be a lot of disquiet in Mayo with "Horanball" - in fairness it was a style of play that pulverized many teams and got Mayo so close to the summit but now seems to take it's toll on players and teams are better at defending it. Mayo do have a kicking game but usually like to send a dangerous hopping diagonal ball into where Galway smartly deployed two sweepers, which cut out that kick and stopped runners. Someone in Galway said Mayo don't have the forwards to score out wide. While he's slow, they do in Darren Coen. He might have been worth a try. Should we beat Sligo (and I take nothing for granted in Markievich Park - never an easy place for Ros), I'd hope we've better equipped. Galway still a funny team - when they hit top form they can quickly destroy a team as they did to Derry, and then they have purple patches where they do a lot of damage - when they went 6 ahead of Mayo or the 6 points in a row they got against us late in Croker, or even the 2019 Connacht final when a late scoring spree sent them 5 ahead of us at half time - under Kevin Walsh. And then the opposite happens too. That's still in their game. If they become a 70 minute team, they can go far. But not yet the real deal.
Galway deserving winners on Sunday but maroon and white posters here must all be tapping away on the same device - beforehand it was all Galway have no hope and now they have won it's we were rode by the ref. If the ref had any balls he would have red carded the Galway medical team, they did more running than any player - Galway lads dropping at every foul/ tackle and on the meds come a running. He got apparently wise to it and kept waving play on but yet on came the medical team with the bageens. At one stage they were 'attending' another victim of horrendous Mayo rough play and they spotted another 'man down', ahh shtop up the med team get grab the bageen and off to save another fallen hero.
That setup by Galway reminds me of how Mayo under 20s had the game plan to take on Galway last 2 years but may struggle to adapt to the Rossies etc. Shakes up the championship nicely in fairness and the hope on the Mayo side is that players come back in and we get a bit of variation to our game unlikely and all as that may be.
Quote from: weareros on April 26, 2022, 01:54:30 PM
An interesting game. As if anyone didn't know, but Galway are a different team with Shane Walsh fit. It was quite generous of Mayo to let them in to practice on the new sod - which looked great. I expected a close Galway win because of the Mayo injuries. Seems to be a lot of disquiet in Mayo with "Horanball" - in fairness it was a style of play that pulverized many teams and got Mayo so close to the summit but now seems to take it's toll on players and teams are better at defending it. Mayo do have a kicking game but usually like to send a dangerous hopping diagonal ball into where Galway smartly deployed two sweepers, which cut out that kick and stopped runners. Someone in Galway said Mayo don't have the forwards to score out wide. While he's slow, they do in Darren Coen. He might have been worth a try. Should we beat Sligo (and I take nothing for granted in Markievich Park - never an easy place for Ros), I'd hope we've better equipped. Galway still a funny team - when they hit top form they can quickly destroy a team as they did to Derry, and then they have purple patches where they do a lot of damage - when they went 6 ahead of Mayo or the 6 points in a row they got against us late in Croker, or even the 2019 Connacht final when a late scoring spree sent them 5 ahead of us at half time - under Kevin Walsh. And then the opposite happens too. That's still in their game. If they become a 70 minute team, they can go far. But not yet the real deal.
I've seen this mentioned several times over the past few days. I assume counties can come to their own arrangements on this?
I know for a fact that Mayo were allowed in to train in Pearse Stadium when they played Galway there in the last decade - used to live near Pearse and saw them there myself.
Quote from: fearsiuil on April 26, 2022, 02:38:23 PM
Galway deserving winners on Sunday but maroon and white posters here must all be tapping away on the same device - beforehand it was all Galway have no hope and now they have won it's we were rode by the ref. If the ref had any balls he would have red carded the Galway medical team, they did more running than any player - Galway lads dropping at every foul/ tackle and on the meds come a running. He got apparently wise to it and kept waving play on but yet on came the medical team with the bageens. At one stage they were 'attending' another victim of horrendous Mayo rough play and they spotted another 'man down', ahh shtop up the med team get grab the bageen and off to save another fallen hero.
That setup by Galway reminds me of how Mayo under 20s had the game plan to take on Galway last 2 years but may struggle to adapt to the Rossies etc. Shakes up the championship nicely in fairness and the hope on the Mayo side is that players come back in and we get a bit of variation to our game unlikely and all as that may be.
Could well have been a horses for courses setup. They haven't setup in the same way in other games this year.
I heard one pundit saying on a podcast yesterday that Galway setup the same against Derry - I was there and they absolutely didn't.
Mayo have struggled against teams that sit and protect their D in that fashion so it made sense to do it on this occasion.
Mayo groundsman has been admitted to St Marys in Castlebar, all of his hard work getting the pitch ready and now its full of dead patches where Galway players lay so long on the ground they killed the grass. Thoughts and prayers.
Only taking the piss Galway people, fair play on the win, Cian O'Neil showed his worth with the tactic of blocking up the "Mayo attacking" channels with the wing forwards. A joke that after so many years managing at a high level JH couldn't find a way around it but there it is. I dont rate O'Neill, I'm sure hes worried, but hes become such a journeyman at this stage its a bit of a joke. I think thats all he will contribute positively to Galway this year.
The backdoor will suit Mayo if the injuries clear up and they could find themselves in a semi, however I said there was no point in Horan coming back unless he had improved his tactical abilities and was willing to be less stubborn and listen to others. Neither has happened so Mayo wont be winning any All Ireland this year and thoughts must start to turn to who next. Problem is there are no obvious choices unless we were willing to go mad an look at someone like Jim McGuinness. Not sure he would be an answer either, I believe, as much as it pains me to say it, if they had been playing any other top team of that era except James Horans Mayo they probably wouldn't have won that All Ireland. I know they beat Dublin
The answer to get over the line last year was getting in Rochford for 3 weeks before the All Ireland to help plan the tactics, I think Sam would have been nestling in the West now. It was wishful thinking of course because JH would never consider it. I dont know if Rochford is the answer either but we do love to go back to a previous manager in Mayo (would that be the 5th time?) so who knows
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Galway deserving winners on Sunday but maroon and white posters here must all be tapping away on the same device - beforehand it was all Galway have no hope and now they have won it's we were rode by the ref. If the ref had any balls he would have red carded the Galway medical team, they did more running than any player - Galway lads dropping at every foul/ tackle and on the meds come a running. He got apparently wise to it and kept waving play on but yet on came the medical team with the bageens. At one stage they were 'attending' another victim of horrendous Mayo rough play and they spotted another 'man down', ahh shtop up the med team get grab the bageen and off to save another fallen hero.
That setup by Galway reminds me of how Mayo under 20s had the game plan to take on Galway last 2 years but may struggle to adapt to the Rossies etc. Shakes up the championship nicely in fairness and the hope on the Mayo side is that players come back in and we get a bit of variation to our game unlikely and all as that may be.
Could well have been a horses for courses setup. They haven't setup in the same way in other games this year.
I heard one pundit saying on a podcast yesterday that Galway setup the same against Derry - I was there and they absolutely didn't.
Mayo have struggled against teams that sit and protect their D in that fashion so it made sense to do it on this occasion.
100% makes sense for Galway to block up the centre and go on the counter once possession won back agsinst Mayo. Challenge for Galway is to put wins back to back against a team that's not married to the running game. Are you happy Galway have a back division that is capable of playing without double sweepers?
Wouldn't have expected it but mighty to see all the concern for Galway from our neighbours in Mayo since Sunday as if there isn't complete recognition of the issues and limitations of our current squad already within the county. Easy to make excuses and justifications for losing to an inferior team but where would Mayo have been Sunday if Galway's kickouts weren't so awful? If the flakiness that has dogged the team for years didn't rear it's head again down the stretch of a match that was already won? If Shane Walsh was fully fit at the moment? If Galway didn't make so many completely unforced errors as occurred on the day? Instead it's the cheating Galway cads lying on the ground or the ref not playing sufficient injury time who have thwarted the people's champions this time around.
I'm sure once Mayo get all the injured players back and get a bit of a run going through the qualifiers they'll be back in business but the Galway team was setup to beat what was in front of them Sunday, I didn't think Joyce would have the good sense to do it, he did and bar Galway doing their level best to pull a defeat from the jaws of victory in the last 7 minutes it worked effectively.
Losing to Leitrim is unthinkable (exactly the word the Examiner described the prospect of Mayo losing to Galway in their Saturday preview btw) but that Galway performance won't be good enough to beat Roscommon, their forwards won't be like Aido - who was fairly good on Sunday besides I thought - taking inaccurate, balloon shots up into the air from 40 yards out. I see a lot of talk about how many more attacks and shots Mayo had, how many of those were gimmes outside of Ruane's horror miss or the bad 2nd half free that O'Connor would usually nail? Galway seemed happy enough to let them play away to a certain point in the knowledge that Mayo would crowd out their good shooters themselves and eventually run out of ideas, it worked a treat in the second half. The likes of Carr and O'Donoghue inside should be put into a position to toast the (as we're only too well aware) limited Galway FB line, getting them on the ball in space asap.
I don't think Roscommon will be as accommodating in repeating the same tactics time after time into a packed defence as Mayo have been in successive championship matches against Tyrone and Galway, while also doing the same thing in a league final where a far superior outfit than Galway destroyed them. Although we were led to believe from some Mayo sources that league final hammering was only because of disinterest and because Mayo were training heavy the Friday beforehand in preparation for last Sunday, what happened there?
Only thing missing from the Mayo post match coverage is John Gunnigan referencing how Mayo would have hammered Galway Sunday if only it had been played on the the "wide open spaces" of Croke Park but I suppose hard to say that with the excellent and expanded new pitch surface in MacHale Park. If I sound bitter then full disclosure, I'd absolutely dread another match against Mayo, not for the likely defeat but knowing that I'd only get sucked back into reading all the reams of nonsense coverage that goes hand in hand with Mayo football again in the run up to and the aftermath of the game, mea culpa on that front but here's to the Leitrim match in two weeks and blissful ignorance on both sides.
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O'Connor very lucky not to get the line, that tackle on Patrick Kelly probably warranted a red card. Galway only had one free in the scoring zone on Sunday and that was a fairly soft on Walsh so you've got to give Mayo credit for their tackling or lack of fouling whichever way you look at it. Doherty & O'Connor both hit the ground under no pressure to win frees in the 1st half whilst the latter managed once again to con the referee with the black card O'Laoi received. Heard a lot of moaning about the referee and Galway time wasting but 3 times the referee told Galway to get on with game when the man was down injured.
Amazed that there is so much whinging from Mayo about the referee, he did his absolute level best for them on Sunday, what more did they want aside from several extremely soft, handy frees and Cillian allowed to continue on with his usual tricks in terms of "gamesmanship" and "mistimed tackling" with impunity. The injury layoff might have robbed him of full fitness and sharpness Sunday but he was straight back to top class form on those aspects.
It's absolutely amazing to read. In addition to the utter manure being shouted in by a section of the crowd repeatedly the last day
Black card, wasn't a black card. Cillian dived to win a free. James Carr double hopped before his point. Cillian dragged down, clear black buut didn't even get a yellow somehow. He then gets a yellow for a borderline red card offence. So somehow he stayed on the field. McLaughlin had a debatable black card offense for an off the ball challenge on McDaid, was probably 50/50, being kind to Mayo.
The lack of self awareness to even take a fraction of the above into account, especially considering what's gone on in the fixture the last two years. No, just blindly assume that the world and it's mother is conspiring against you
VAR is seriously needed in GAA for those type of incidents. A wrong call like that can be winning losing of game. I know there's resistance for every aspect of game but any card that causes a team to lose a player and vice versa should he reviewed when it's not clear cut.
Quote from: weareros on April 26, 2022, 06:34:03 PM
VAR is seriously needed in GAA for those type of incidents. A wrong call like that can be winning losing of game. I know there’s resistance for every aspect of game but any card that causes a team to lose a player and vice versa should he reviewed when it’s not clear cut.
Be better off just getting rid of the black card than bring in the VAR that hasn't brought the improvement to controversial decisions as they hoped.
Quote from: iorras on April 26, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
Mayo groundsman has been admitted to St Marys in Castlebar, all of his hard work getting the pitch ready and now its full of dead patches where Galway players lay so long on the ground they killed the grass. Thoughts and prayers.
Only taking the piss Galway people, fair play on the win, Cian O'Neil showed his worth with the tactic of blocking up the "Mayo attacking" channels with the wing forwards. A joke that after so many years managing at a high level JH couldn't find a way around it but there it is. I dont rate O'Neill, I'm sure hes worried, but hes become such a journeyman at this stage its a bit of a joke. I think thats all he will contribute positively to Galway this year.
The backdoor will suit Mayo if the injuries clear up and they could find themselves in a semi, however I said there was no point in Horan coming back unless he had improved his tactical abilities and was willing to be less stubborn and listen to others. Neither has happened so Mayo wont be winning any All Ireland this year and thoughts must start to turn to who next. Problem is there are no obvious choices unless we were willing to go mad an look at someone like Jim McGuinness. Not sure he would be an answer either, I believe, as much as it pains me to say it, if they had been playing any other top team of that era except James Horans Mayo they probably wouldn't have won that All Ireland. I know they beat Dublin
The answer to get over the line last year was getting in Rochford for 3 weeks before the All Ireland to help plan the tactics, I think Sam would have been nestling in the West now. It was wishful thinking of course because JH would never consider it. I dont know if Rochford is the answer either but we do love to go back to a previous manager in Mayo (would that be the 5th time?) so who knows
I'd agree with the weight of that Iorras. On a Rochford return, I don't know. A little birdie told me that Galway had him all lined up to take over from PJ once Mayo lowered the boom on Galway in Castlebar. Whether PJ is out of the woods or was only granted a stay of execution I don't know, and I've enough to be worrying about on my own side of the march to speculate any further.
I was wondering alright which ex Mayo manager was going to be the next Galway manager to win the all Ireland
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Quote from: iorras on April 26, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
Mayo groundsman has been admitted to St Marys in Castlebar, all of his hard work getting the pitch ready and now its full of dead patches where Galway players lay so long on the ground they killed the grass. Thoughts and prayers.
Only taking the piss Galway people, fair play on the win, Cian O'Neil showed his worth with the tactic of blocking up the "Mayo attacking" channels with the wing forwards. A joke that after so many years managing at a high level JH couldn't find a way around it but there it is. I dont rate O'Neill, I'm sure hes worried, but hes become such a journeyman at this stage its a bit of a joke. I think thats all he will contribute positively to Galway this year.
The backdoor will suit Mayo if the injuries clear up and they could find themselves in a semi, however I said there was no point in Horan coming back unless he had improved his tactical abilities and was willing to be less stubborn and listen to others. Neither has happened so Mayo wont be winning any All Ireland this year and thoughts must start to turn to who next. Problem is there are no obvious choices unless we were willing to go mad an look at someone like Jim McGuinness. Not sure he would be an answer either, I believe, as much as it pains me to say it, if they had been playing any other top team of that era except James Horans Mayo they probably wouldn't have won that All Ireland. I know they beat Dublin
The answer to get over the line last year was getting in Rochford for 3 weeks before the All Ireland to help plan the tactics, I think Sam would have been nestling in the West now. It was wishful thinking of course because JH would never consider it. I dont know if Rochford is the answer either but we do love to go back to a previous manager in Mayo (would that be the 5th time?) so who knows
I'd agree with the weight of that Iorras. On a Rochford return, I don't know. A little birdie told me that Galway had him all lined up to take over from PJ once Mayo lowered the boom on Galway in Castlebar. Whether PJ is out of the woods or was only granted a stay of execution I don't know, and I've enough to be worrying about on my own side of the march to speculate any further.
I really do think Rochford would've gotten the team over the line last year. But then again if Horan hadn't come back, would the new core of the team have been brought through? That's what Horan is very good at to be fair.
It's a pity he couldn't have someone like Rochford alongside him to actually handle the tactics and make changes from the sideline during the match. Unfortunately, if there's two things Horan doesn't like it's listening to anyone or adapting to anything.
As OHora said last year "we only have one plan" however when you insist on stick on playing a running game without any runners you end up languishing in possession around the 45 waiting to be turned over.
Also I thought Rochford would've been the man to turn Galway into genuine contenders
We've all been critical of the kickouts and again last Sunday the last 10 minutes in particular was a calamity, Galway were desperate to get their hands on the ball so they could work an insurance point and kill the clock at the same time. Gleeson on a good few occasions picked the wrong option, the short one was one twice with the first 2 he went long and then when he did go short he went to John Daly instead of Sean Kelly. Mayo had a set a trap and wanted him to go to Daly and Gleeson duly obliged.
I appreciate its not just Gleesons fault and he was probably under instruction to go long and for most of the game it worked well but he's just far too easy to read and doesn't offer any flexibility with his kicking, just can't disguise any. A special mention to Comer who broke so many of our kickouts on Sunday, I'd say it was his best game for Galway; His involvement for Conroy's for point was top class.
On a positive note Galway created chances everytime they had possession. A lot of talk about Mayo missing chances but Galway missed more easier chances then Mayo did, Conroy missed a good few of which 2 were easy ones for him and O'Laoi & Molloy missed very ones although O'Laoi is probably the last Galway player I'd trust to shoot. Apart from the two 45's and a free Galway didn't hit any scores from distance, the rest were all kicks from within the scoring zone.
A lot of talk Galway can't improve which is nonsense apart from the obvious issues with kickouts their shooting was nothing special despite and gave away too many frees needlessly especially in that 1st half. Tactically though Galway got it spot on and Joyce will be very disappointed not to have won that game comfortably.
The worry is that it was a game that ended in a similar manner to Monaghan relegation playoff last year, it was on the verge of another collapse in a match that had effectively already been won.
Galway will still have to improve in a good number of facets or they will left in the same position as 2017, watching Roscommon take over Pearse Stadium in a Connacht Final. To be fair to Gleeson (and all Galway keepers) I don't think he's being put in best position to succeed with respect to kick outs as it is, but Flaherty has (or at least he had at U20 level) better tools for that vital aspect of the game. System still needs to be put in place for them and hopefully this can be improved.
Missed a few last Sunday but even with plenty of room to improve Galway's shot conversion rate has already increased from last year, if they continue to keep a shot conversion rate around 70% for the rest of the year that shouldn't be the main reason for any losses moving forward at least.
One thing that must be said in credit to the players and management, once promotion was assured after the Derry game, that match against Mayo was really all that mattered, they had to find some way to get a winning result, whatever that took in terms of setup and approach to the game, they have delivered on that ultimately and at least given themselves some chance now to have a reasonable summer.
Just in case any Rossies think I'm running their final win down because Galway weren't bothered or something - absolutely not the case. Galway went out to try and win the League final on the day, they came up short against a good Rossie team, it's just that in the overall scheme no one in Galway would care about having won the Div 2 league final if Mayo beat Galway out the gate last Sunday and a Div 2 title wouldn't have saved Joyce in that scenario.
Ros team named
Lavin
Murray Stack M Cormack
Hussey N Daly R Daly
Harney Nolan
Ciaráin Enda Heneghan
McKeon Donie Cox.
Among the Subs Conor Daly and Diarmuid Murtagh.
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on April 29, 2022, 12:23:41 PM
The worry is that it was a game that ended in a similar manner to Monaghan relegation playoff last year, it was on the verge of another collapse in a match that had effectively already been won.
Galway will still have to improve in a good number of facets or they will left in the same position as 2017, watching Roscommon take over Pearse Stadium in a Connacht Final. To be fair to Gleeson (and all Galway keepers) I don't think he's being put in best position to succeed with respect to kick outs as it is, but Flaherty has (or at least he had at U20 level) better tools for that vital aspect of the game. System still needs to be put in place for them and hopefully this can be improved.
Missed a few last Sunday but even with plenty of room to improve Galway's shot conversion rate has already increased from last year, if they continue to keep a shot conversion rate around 70% for the rest of the year that shouldn't be the main reason for any losses moving forward at least.
One thing that must be said in credit to the players and management, once promotion was assured after the Derry game, that match against Mayo was really all that mattered, they had to find some way to get a winning result, whatever that took in terms of setup and approach to the game, they have delivered on that ultimately and at least given themselves some chance now to have a reasonable summer.
Just in case any Rossies think I'm running their final win down because Galway weren't bothered or something - absolutely not the case. Galway went out to try and win the League final on the day, they came up short against a good Rossie team, it's just that in the overall scheme no one in Galway would care about having won the Div 2 league final if Mayo beat Galway out the gate last Sunday and a Div 2 title wouldn't have saved Joyce in that scenario.
It all comes back to our lack of a kick out strategy in these situations. We had no go to planned move over the final 10 mins of the game to guarantee us possession, get up the field and put the game well beyond Mayo's reach - it was nearly there anyway. Mayo set a few traps (think John Daly turnover) and we fell hook, line and sinker for them. This continues to be the main concern for most Galway supporters right now and MUST be addressed. There was a lot of other stuff that we did really well last Sun and as you say, kudos to the players and management team for that.
Roscommon team and subs for tomorrows Connacht semi final. No Sligo team published yet.
Colm Lavin (Éire Óg)
David Murray (Padraig Pearses)
Brian Stack (St. Brigids)
Eoin McCormack (St. Dominics)
Ronan Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Niall Daly (Padraig Pearses)
Conor Hussey (Michael Glaveys)
Ultan Harney (Clann na nGael)
Eddie Nolan (St. Brigids)
Ciaran Murtagh (St Faithleachs)
Enda Smith (Boyle)
Cathal Heneghan (Michael Glaveys)
Cian McKeon (Boyle)
Donie Smith (Boyle) (C)
Conor Cox (Eire Og)
Subs
Conor Carroll,Hubert Darcy,Dylan Ruane,Aengus Lyons,Shane Cunnane,Niall Kilroy,Ciaran Sugrue,Keith Doyle,Andrew Glennon,Conor Daly,Diarmuid Murtagh
Connacht GAA are streaming all group minor championship games but this senior semi final and next week Leitrim v Galway can't be watched live unless you attend. Anyone else find that a bit bizzare?
Strong side with options off the bench.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 29, 2022, 02:05:10 PM
Connacht GAA are streaming all group minor championship games but this senior semi final and next week Leitrim v Galway can't be watched live unless you attend. Anyone else find that a bit bizzare?
I'd imagine this is down to what was sold in terms of the television rights. I'd say Connacht GAA don't have the rights to stream the senior game.
You'd hope there'd by a bit more joined up thinking in terms of the next television rights sale i.e. a clause that says that any game that isn't being broadcast will be availble to be streamed on GAAGO
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 29, 2022, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 29, 2022, 02:05:10 PM
Connacht GAA are streaming all group minor championship games but this senior semi final and next week Leitrim v Galway can't be watched live unless you attend. Anyone else find that a bit bizzare?
I'd imagine this is down to what was sold in terms of the television rights. I'd say Connacht GAA don't have the rights to stream the senior game.
You'd hope there'd by a bit more joined up thinking in terms of the next television rights sale i.e. a clause that says that any game that isn't being broadcast will be availble to be streamed on GAAGO
Looks that way with the Connacht GAA and no such right with the minor games. When GAAGO stepped in to stream New York v Sligo i would have thought they'd show both or at least one of the semi finals.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 29, 2022, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 29, 2022, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 29, 2022, 02:05:10 PM
Connacht GAA are streaming all group minor championship games but this senior semi final and next week Leitrim v Galway can't be watched live unless you attend. Anyone else find that a bit bizzare?
I'd imagine this is down to what was sold in terms of the television rights. I'd say Connacht GAA don't have the rights to stream the senior game.
You'd hope there'd by a bit more joined up thinking in terms of the next television rights sale i.e. a clause that says that any game that isn't being broadcast will be availble to be streamed on GAAGO
Looks that way with the Connacht GAA and no such right with the minor games. When GAAGO stepped in to stream New York v Sligo i would have thought they'd show both or at least one of the semi finals.
Game could go anyway tomorrow wouldn't be biggest surprise in the world if Sligo pulled out a shock or if we win handy imo. No reason why it wouldn't appeal to the neutral when sky are going to show Dublin wallop wexford instead
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on April 24, 2022, 11:14:11 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm annoyed that Cillian O'Connor started today. Before throw in I said it'd be a madness call if he started because he clearly couldn't be ready.
But even more than that, James Horans biggest and arguably only quality is that he brings through young players very well. So today he could've given Orme or Carney an opportunity and live or die by the outcome.
But no COC is back so he starts. He now knows he doesn't need to up his game at all because he's an automatic starter. He wasn't fit today, he contributed nothing, and took frees off our best forward because he is who he is.
He could've started a young player today and if it didn't work you have a fired up COC coming off the bench to earn his place. But instead COC is ineffective and you have no options off the bench.
One of the main things I can't get over is the 45s. He can't take them, whatever about the frees he kicked the easy ones and missed the big one but whatever he's kicked enough frees to earn a bit of leeway there. But he can't take 45s, he probably hasn't kicked one in 10 years. It would be okay if the frees were split between him and ROD based on ability. But COC has to take everything.
He'll start the next day. He knows that. So why push that extra yard?
My dear fellow,you have the brain of a batttery hen if you think Cillian doesn't push himself to the very limit EVERY time he takes the field.
Sligo team and subs
Aidan Devaney (Calry/St Josephs)
David Philips (St Marys)
Evan Lyons (Shamrock Gaels)
Paul McNamara (St Johns)
Paul Kilcoyne (St Marys)
Darragh Cummins (Calry/St Josephs)
Nathan Mullen (Coolaney/Mullinabreena)
Sean Carrabine (Castleconnor)
Conan Marren (Tourlestrane)
Keelan Cawley © (Coolera-Strandhill)
Alan Reilly (Curry)
Mikey Gordon (Easkey)
David Quinn (Shamrock Gaels)
Patrick Ó'Connor (St Farnans)
Niall Murphy (Coolera-Strandhill)
Eamonn Kilgannon (St Farnans)
Mark Walsh (Owenmore Gaels)
Peter Laffey (Coolera-Strandhill)
Gavin Gorman (Coolaney/Mullinabreena)
Conor Griffin (Calry/St Josephs)
Pat Spillane (St Judes (Dublin)
Raymond Connolly (Coolaney/Mullinabreena)
Barry Gorman (Coolaney/Mullinabreena)
Nathan Rooney (St Marys)
Pat Hughes (Geevagh)
Kenny Gavigan (Tourlestrane)
I see this match isn't on TV. Why is there no outrage that my 100 year old neighbour who can't afford sky can't see this game.
Gaa originally was to keep Gaelic games alive in Ireland, some bigwig thinks it can bring in money internationally, He must be the only one. Games like Sligo Roscommon I used to watch on normal TV, am not spending any more for sport on pay for view TV channels. .
Lad you might correct all the spellings in that post so I can see if I agree with you. Today's games isn't on Sky, or rte or gaago or anywhere and it's a provincial semi final.
Ah sure it's only Connacht.... >:(
Basking in English sunshine but hear it's wet and miserable in Sligo which should reduce the gap between the teams.
Get the job done lads
ROS ABÚ💛💛💙
Did anybody see the sending-off in the Sligo V Roscommon game?
Hopefully, the cameras got it.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on April 30, 2022, 08:45:25 PM
Did anybody see the sending-off in the Sligo V Roscommon game?
Hopefully, the cameras got it.
I was at the match and whatever happened was right in front of me but I missed it, roscommon fella beside me said he saw it but was very little in it. Over fussy ref in charge, whatever hope there was of a contest died with that red card. Sligo have a long way to go to get back competitive in Connacht
Fella beside me in stand said he saw it and I was totally stupid by the Sligo player but on the harsh side as Cox made most of it. Soon as Cox hit his free defender ran in and pushed him into the face is what I was told. Sligo No.5 was could have got a red just before that for a swinging arm tackle to the head.
Ended the game as a contest and while Sligo battled hard for the rest of the first half the game was over as a contest
maybe provincial semi are not as big of deal anymore since backdoor came in and in roscommon got a bye to it
Well done to team and management.
Job done but the real season starts now.
A ludicrous 4 week gap to the Final.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 01, 2022, 11:54:24 AM
Well done to team and management.
Job done but the real season starts now.
A ludicrous 4 week gap to the Final.
leinster has 12 counties so tales longer to run off
A lot of players in their mid 20s no longer playing for Sligo Cian Breheny, Kevin McDonnell, Kyle Cawley, Liam Gaughan to name but a few are they injured or no longer committing to the county scene?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 02, 2022, 01:31:18 PM
A lot of players in their mid 20s no longer playing for Sligo Cian Breheny, Kevin McDonnell, Kyle Cawley, Liam Gaughan to name but a few are they injured or no longer committing to the county scene?
McDonnell was forced to retire with a hip injury about 2 years ago. Kyle Cawley has given up football - doesn't even play for his club any more.
Liam Gaughan will be back when McEntee steps down which hopefully will be at the end of this year. Others hopefully will return also under new management.
I suppose all that's in question next Sunday is the margin of victory :-\
Be nice if Laythrums could keep it to single figures but keeping it under 20 will be the best they can hope for sadly.
Leitrim published team for Sunday.
1. Brendan Flynn
2. Mark Diffley
3. Donal Casey
4. Paddy Maguire
5. James Rooney
6. Shane Quinn
7. David Bruen (Captain)
8. Donal Wrynn
9. Pearce Dolan
10. Conor Dolan
11. Mark Plunkett
12. Riordan O Rourke
13. Ryan O Rourke
14. Shane Moran
15. Domhnaill Flynn
Subs
16. Nevin O Donnell
17. Conor Reynolds
18. Cillian McGloin
19. Emlyn Mulligan
20. Conor Farrell
21. Evan Sweeney
22. Dean McGovern
23. Keith Beirne
24. Ciaran Cullen
25. Jack Heslin
26. Tom Prior
Can imagine Keith Beirne back from suspension will be starting if fully fit.
Sure Andy might tog himself
Quote from: Rossfan on May 05, 2022, 11:26:03 AM
I suppose all that's in question next Sunday is the margin of victory :-\
Be nice if Laythrums could keep it to single figures but keeping it under 20 will be the best they can hope for sadly.
The Laythrum cycle is about 60 years. 94 was the last time. And what a day it was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOiPqBGFG3w
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSGhAfoWUAMqsGt?format=jpg&name=medium)
15 minutes played Galway 0-5 Leitrim 0-3.
HT Galway 0-12 Leitrim 0-5.
15 minutes to play. Galway 2-17 Leitrim 0-7
FT Galway 4-20 Leitrim 0-9. Galway stroll into the final and will be hard to beat in that final in this form.
The Final is on Sunday at 1 45.
Foregone conclusion per bookies , most pundits and most GAAboard predictors.
I may as well stay at home and wait for the Round 2 Qualifier.
No Galway supporter that is in their right mind considers this a foregone conclusion, as 50/50 a game as you could get.
We've seen all types of results in this fixture since 2016, draws, huge wins for both sides, narrow wins, I couldn't predict what the result will be on Sunday. There's nothing between the sides and whatever about when they play Mayo, Rossies have zero fear of the maroon and white, last three championship games in Pearse Stadium: draw, win, win.
Galway will need to be totally up for this and playing well on Sunday to take the Nestor Cup, I absolutely think they can win it but it'll be no surprise or shock if Roscommon fans are invading the turf at full time either.
Galway v Roscommon has developed into one of the best rivalries in this sport over the last 7 years.
This will be the 5th Connacht senior final between the two since 2016 with both having won 2 each. NFL results Galway 2 Roscommon 2 in the last 4 matches even pre season the last 7 FBD finals was Galway v Roscommon and 4-3 in favour of Galway in wins there.
Connacht Underage the last decade (2012 to 2022)
U20/21 titles won
Galway 4 Roscommon 4
In that time frame Galway won two All-Ireland titles U21 in 2013 and U20 in 2020. Roscommon reached All-Ireland finals in 2012,2014 at U21 and U20 2021.
U17/18 Connacht titles won
Galway 4 Roscommon 3
Agree with the last 2 posters a 50/50 game there fir the winning.
Which ever team gets more things right on the day will prevail.
I think for once the weather is to be decent so should be a great game of Connacht football.
Odds don't reflect how close it is, Roscommon should be slight favourites.
Roscommon apparently did very well against Kerry in a challenge last Sunday, this looks like the strongest Roscommon panel in a long long time; Don't know if the Roscommon posters agree?
Interesting to see if Galway replicate the same tactics they used against Mayo.
Galway are favourites in odds (at least a two point win expected) because..
Galway have beaten Mayo in MacHale Park and the punters don't expect them to follow that up with a home loss to Roscommon.
Last years championship meeting Galway won by a few points to spare
The last meeting in Pearse Stadium (played last year in the Nfl) Galway won by a few points to spare.
The Derry factor and how good they look this far in the championship. Roscommon drew at home to Derry while Galway hammered Derry on their home patch
I do think the Derry Galway game was a once-off. They made a big mistake playing against the wind and game was over by half-time. It actually worked well for them the week before in Hyde Park so that probably played into their thinking. I'd say Derry would relish the chance to play Galway or Ros again, and indeed two of that trio could be provincial champions come Sunday with the potential of clashing in an All-Ireland semi. As for Sunday, it's a bit overused at this stage but it's 50/50, but also entirely possible that one team could win well. While the league means nothing, Kevin Egan's stat in Herald that Galway scored 0-10 to 1-3 in the league final when Shane Walsh came on will give Galway cause for comfort and Ros cause for worry. Galway do need their big 3 to play well to win. I do think we have a wider spread of players to take the lead if some of our key players have an off day. I don't expect AC to change his game plan, but Ros do struggle when a team packs defense and hit quickly on the attack - so I expect a more defensive approach from Padraig Joyce on Sunday.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 26, 2022, 01:55:53 PM
Galway are favourites in odds (at least a two point win expected) because..
Galway have beaten Mayo in MacHale Park and the punters don't expect them to follow that up with a home loss to Roscommon.
Last years championship meeting Galway won by a few points to spare
The last meeting in Pearse Stadium (played last year in the Nfl) Galway won by a few points to spare.
The Derry factor and how good they look this far in the championship. Roscommon drew at home to Derry while Galway hammered Derry on their home patch
Very hard game to call.
Last year has zero relevance at all. I was at the game in Hyde Park last summer - Roscommon are unrecognisable from that mess in 2022.
We need Shane to have a big game I feel. He was flying at the start of the league but it seems picked up an injury after the Cork game and he hasn't been the same since.
From our perspective - it goes without saying we need to be solid defensively as Roscommon forwards are far superior to Mayo's.
Enda Smith for me is the key man for Ros. He needs to be shut down.
Quote from: galwayman on May 26, 2022, 02:31:51 PM
Very hard game to call.
Last year has zero relevance at all. I was at the game in Hyde Park last summer - Roscommon are unrecognisable from that mess in 2022.
We need Shane to have a big game I feel. He was flying at the start of the league but it seems picked up an injury after the Cork game and he hasn't been the same since.
From our perspective - it goes without saying we need to be solid defensively as Roscommon forwards are far superior to Mayo's.
Enda Smith for me is the key man for Ros. He needs to be shut down.
It very much has relevance in the minds of the punters that are laying on the cash. That championship meeting was just 9 months ago and won't be a big change in the two starting 15s. Roscommon going with perhaps 10 or 11 same starters and Galway 12 or 13.
Mayo forwards against Galway included C O'Connor a regular championship top scorer and Ryan O Donoghue in superb form. Galways good start 1-3 to 0-1 and holding Mayo to 0-11 for 67 minutes was key in that win.
Quote from: weareros on May 26, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
I do think the Derry Galway game was a once-off. They made a big mistake playing against the wind and game was over by half-time. It actually worked well for them the week before in Hyde Park so that probably played into their thinking. I'd say Derry would relish the chance to play Galway or Ros again, and indeed two of that trio could be provincial champions come Sunday with the potential of clashing in an All-Ireland semi. As for Sunday, it's a bit overused at this stage but it's 50/50, but also entirely possible that one team could win well. While the league means nothing, Kevin Egan's stat in Herald that Galway scored 0-10 to 1-3 in the league final when Shane Walsh came on will give Galway cause for comfort and Ros cause for worry. Galway do need their big 3 to play well to win. I do think we have a wider spread of players to take the lead if some of our key players have an off day. I don't expect AC to change his game plan, but Ros do struggle when a team packs defense and hit quickly on the attack - so I expect a more defensive approach from Padraig Joyce on Sunday.
Maybe not, as that system doesn't and never suited Galway's
style method of play. I would expect the defence to be pretty much the same as for the preceding 2 matches however, i.e. Sean Kelly in the FB line, thus not the same config that lost the league final. A proper partner for Conroy is needed for midfield (probably McDaid post throw-in) and a much better return from the forwards whose names aren't Comer or Walsh.
As much as I hate to say it, both teams are flaky & could well be bate out the gate on any given day. Both teams well able to throw in the towel when the going gets tough & accept defeat early on.
Both teams have done nothing on the national stage in yonks either.
Difficult game to call, although vast majority on here & elsewhere are going for Galway. It's a long time since Galway beat Roscommon in a Connacht final at Salthill, probably the 70s.
Quote from: Rudi on May 27, 2022, 11:19:36 AM
As much as I hate to say it, both teams are flaky & could well be bate out the gate on any given day. Both teams well able to throw in the towel when the going gets tough & accept defeat early on.
Both teams have done nothing on the national stage in yonks either.
Difficult game to call, although vast majority on here & elsewhere are going for Galway. It's a long time since Galway beat Roscommon in a Connacht final at Salthill, probably the 70s.
Rossies unbeaten this year and Galway only beaten by the Rossies in 2 games, one of which was a quasi-challenge. Bar Kerry and Dublin, all other counties are all of a muchness and it's doubtful either Galway or Roscommon would be defeated by large margins in any game involving them.
Galway team and subs for Sundays Connacht final.
Connor Gleeson
Liam Silke
Seán Kelly
Jack Glynn
Dylan McHugh
John Daly
Kieran Molloy
Paul Conroy
Cillian McDaid
Patrick Kelly
Matthew Tierney
Johnny Heaney
Rob Finnerty
Damien Comer
Shane Walsh
Subs
James Keane
Johnny McGrath
Cathal Sweeney
Billy Mannion
Niall Daly
Finnian O'Laoi
Paul kelly
Owen Gallagher
Eoin Finnerty
Dessie Connelly
Tomo Culhane
Quote from: mouview on May 27, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: weareros on May 26, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
I do think the Derry Galway game was a once-off. They made a big mistake playing against the wind and game was over by half-time. It actually worked well for them the week before in Hyde Park so that probably played into their thinking. I'd say Derry would relish the chance to play Galway or Ros again, and indeed two of that trio could be provincial champions come Sunday with the potential of clashing in an All-Ireland semi. As for Sunday, it's a bit overused at this stage but it's 50/50, but also entirely possible that one team could win well. While the league means nothing, Kevin Egan's stat in Herald that Galway scored 0-10 to 1-3 in the league final when Shane Walsh came on will give Galway cause for comfort and Ros cause for worry. Galway do need their big 3 to play well to win. I do think we have a wider spread of players to take the lead if some of our key players have an off day. I don't expect AC to change his game plan, but Ros do struggle when a team packs defense and hit quickly on the attack - so I expect a more defensive approach from Padraig Joyce on Sunday.
Maybe not, as that system doesn't and never suited Galway's style method of play. I would expect the defence to be pretty much the same as for the preceding 2 matches however, i.e. Sean Kelly in the FB line, thus not the same config that lost the league final. A proper partner for Conroy is needed for midfield (probably McDaid post throw-in) and a much better return from the forwards whose names aren't Comer or Walsh.
All the media talk on Galway(plenty when discussing this tie) namechecks Conroy walsh amd Comer amd dont get my wrong they all are unreal amd could decide this game but Kelly imo is not far off Galways best player. Fact he is so athletic and good that he can play anywhere probably stops him getting publicity like the others. Stack the same for us. Kelly destoyed us and others last year with his runs from deep
Roscommon team and subs for Sunday's Connacht final.
Colm Lavin
David Murray
Brian Stack
Conor Daly
Ronan Daly
Niall Daly
Conor Hussey
Ultan Harney
Eddie Nolan
Ciaran Murtagh
Enda Smith
Cathal Heneghan
Cian McKeon
Donie Smith
Conor Cox
Subs
Conor Carroll
Hubert Darcy
Dylan Ruane
Richard Hughes
Shane Cunnane
Niall Kilroy
Ciaran Sugrue
Keith Doyle
Andrew Glennon
Eoin McCormack
Diarmuid Murtagh
Quote from: oliverkelly on May 27, 2022, 11:34:05 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 27, 2022, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: weareros on May 26, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
I do think the Derry Galway game was a once-off. They made a big mistake playing against the wind and game was over by half-time. It actually worked well for them the week before in Hyde Park so that probably played into their thinking. I'd say Derry would relish the chance to play Galway or Ros again, and indeed two of that trio could be provincial champions come Sunday with the potential of clashing in an All-Ireland semi. As for Sunday, it's a bit overused at this stage but it's 50/50, but also entirely possible that one team could win well. While the league means nothing, Kevin Egan's stat in Herald that Galway scored 0-10 to 1-3 in the league final when Shane Walsh came on will give Galway cause for comfort and Ros cause for worry. Galway do need their big 3 to play well to win. I do think we have a wider spread of players to take the lead if some of our key players have an off day. I don't expect AC to change his game plan, but Ros do struggle when a team packs defense and hit quickly on the attack - so I expect a more defensive approach from Padraig Joyce on Sunday.
Maybe not, as that system doesn't and never suited Galway's style method of play. I would expect the defence to be pretty much the same as for the preceding 2 matches however, i.e. Sean Kelly in the FB line, thus not the same config that lost the league final. A proper partner for Conroy is needed for midfield (probably McDaid post throw-in) and a much better return from the forwards whose names aren't Comer or Walsh.
All the media talk on Galway(plenty when discussing this tie) namechecks Conroy walsh amd Comer amd dont get my wrong they all are unreal amd could decide this game but Kelly imo is not far off Galways best player. Fact he is so athletic and good that he can play anywhere probably stops him getting publicity like the others. Stack the same for us. Kelly destoyed us and others last year with his runs from deep
100%. I think the reason the 3 boys are mentioned like that is because they are all attacking players that can hurt the opposition on the scoreboard.
Saying that I think you're right though - Im not sure too many outside of Galway realise just how good Kelly is. There is more talk about Tierney (again probably because he is an attacking player) but Kelly is a much better (albeit completely different) player.
Really looking forward to this game.
It's so tough to call
McCormack, probably our best player over the 9 League and Championship games, will be disappointed not to be starting.
I expect AC felt an experienced Daly might be more suitable for this game.
A good bench there which will be needed and utilised.
C'mon Ros💙💛💙💛
Anyone know a good pub(s) in Paris to watch the gaa tomorrow?
Quote from: weareros on May 26, 2022, 02:12:01 PM
I do think the Derry Galway game was a once-off. They made a big mistake playing against the wind and game was over by half-time. It actually worked well for them the week before in Hyde Park so that probably played into their thinking. I'd say Derry would relish the chance to play Galway or Ros again, and indeed two of that trio could be provincial champions come Sunday with the potential of clashing in an All-Ireland semi. As for Sunday, it's a bit overused at this stage but it's 50/50, but also entirely possible that one team could win well. While the league means nothing, Kevin Egan's stat in Herald that Galway scored 0-10 to 1-3 in the league final when Shane Walsh came on will give Galway cause for comfort and Ros cause for worry. Galway do need their big 3 to play well to win. I do think we have a wider spread of players to take the lead if some of our key players have an off day. I don't expect AC to change his game plan, but Ros do struggle when a team packs defense and hit quickly on the attack - so I expect a more defensive approach from Padraig Joyce on Sunday.
Derry may relish meeting Galway or Ros again but from what i seen in the league game against Ros they were f**k all good. Bar the ref bringing them bavk into the game we would have beaten them by a similar score Galway did. I expext Donegal to beat them comfortable tomorrow and should either us or galway face them again i would be gobsmacked of Derry win
Looking forward to this game I must say. I picked Galway in the prediction competition, but I have a sneaky suspicion Ros could do it.
Nice goal by Shane Walsh.
Expecting a reply from the Rossies
Half time Galway 2-7 Roscommon 0-8. Tribesmen the better side in that half but i don't think they were 5 points the better team. Galway are defending better though and i don't think Roscommon will be too pleased at the manner of how those goals was conceded.
[Constant 6 points in it.
Disappointing result for the neighbours.
Galway the better team by a good bit. Very difficult to penetrate & hard in the tackle. Roscommon didn't lay a hand on Galway let alone a tackle. Roscommon defence shocking poor, the decision to drop McCormack & not start Hughes poor calls.
Harney outstanding & drove us forward all day, really showed great leadership. Key decisions went against us to, handy free for a neck tackle not given, peno for foot block not given, black card for Conroy not given & first half point given as wide.
Roscommon I think can still have a decent say in rest of championship, Galway were the better team today, but when will their forward line be given that space again.
Roscommon's wides in the first half came back to haunt them.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 29, 2022, 07:01:16 PM
Roscommon's wides in the first half came back to haunt them.
0-4 to 0-3 ahead then Roscommon kicked five wides in a row going 11 minutes without a score, during that period, Galway took full advantage, registering 1-3 without reply.
Loose marking, not tracking the Galway runners as they attacked on the counter/turnovers was Roscommon's downfall. Galway was the better organised team,with more intensity and three of their 4 best players Sean Kelly,Damien Comer,Shane Walsh all performing well but Galway fades outs in games remains an issue, Monaghan in the relegation play off last year, Mayo in the Quarter final in April and again today.
Best thing about winning Connacht this year is avoiding Kerry,Dublin unless you reach the final so the opportunity is there now for Galway to go one better than they did in 2018 by making their exit at the semi final stage.
Hard to disagree with Cunny.
We played League football the herrins played Championship football.
Not a time for criticising anyone but will single out and praise Ultan Harney for a wonderful passionate display, his finest ever in a Ros Jersey, a man of the match performance.
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 03:49:49 PM
Galway the better team by a good bit. Very difficult to penetrate & hard in the tackle. Roscommon didn't lay a hand on Galway let alone a tackle. Roscommon defence shocking poor, the decision to drop McCormack & not start Hughes poor calls.
Harney outstanding & drove us forward all day, really showed great leadership. Key decisions went against us to, handy free for a neck tackle not given, peno for foot block not given, black card for Conroy not given & first half point given as wide.
Roscommon I think can still have a decent say in rest of championship, Galway were the better team today, but when will their forward line be given that space again.
Think the Rossies will still have a say alright, if their forwards recapture the accuracy shown in the league final. Neither of the Ulster finalists on yesterday's showing, nor Kildare, Cork, Meath etc. would be unbeatable, though Tyrone and Mayo would probably be a step up. Think that first half wide was wide, I have a feeling the linesman called it to the ref. Foot block incident call was borderline but correct, there was visible distance between the kicking foot and the block.
True, Galway did get the rub of the green from the post and the ref but had that extra bit of class required on the big days to give them the edge. Conroy was largely subdued through out, but the others carried the mantle, including Rob Finnerty who had his best day by miles in the maroon jersey. The Galway attack was helped in no small measure by a poor and porous Rossie defence though.
Yesterday was also by far this Galway management's best day and have finally moved on from the KW era, with a structure and style of their own evident. Though it still needs improving as a collective, I think for the first time in many years we have good players in defence, (no. 6 particularly), that can hold their own with anybody. For the first time in almost 20 years I would travel to CP with a bit of confidence we could take any other team down (bar the big 2 obviously).
Quote from: mouview on May 30, 2022, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 03:49:49 PM
Galway the better team by a good bit. Very difficult to penetrate & hard in the tackle. Roscommon didn't lay a hand on Galway let alone a tackle. Roscommon defence shocking poor, the decision to drop McCormack & not start Hughes poor calls.
Harney outstanding & drove us forward all day, really showed great leadership. Key decisions went against us to, handy free for a neck tackle not given, peno for foot block not given, black card for Conroy not given & first half point given as wide.
Roscommon I think can still have a decent say in rest of championship, Galway were the better team today, but when will their forward line be given that space again.
Think the Rossies will still have a say alright, if their forwards recapture the accuracy shown in the league final. Neither of the Ulster finalists on yesterday's showing, nor Kildare, Cork, Meath etc. would be unbeatable, though Tyrone and Mayo would probably be a step up. Think that first half wide was wide, I have a feeling the linesman called it to the ref. Foot block incident call was borderline but correct, there was visible distance between the kicking foot and the block.
True, Galway did get the rub of the green from the post and the ref but had that extra bit of class required on the big days to give them the edge. Conroy was largely subdued through out, but the others carried the mantle, including Rob Finnerty who had his best day by miles in the maroon jersey. The Galway attack was helped in no small measure by a poor and porous Rossie defence though.
Yesterday was also by far this Galway management's best day and have finally moved on from the KW era, with a structure and style of their own evident. Though it still needs improving as a collective, I think for the first time in many years we have good players in defence, (no. 6 particularly), that can hold their own with anybody. For the first time in almost 20 years I would travel to CP with a bit of confidence we could take any other team down (bar the big 2 obviously).
Hard to believe it has taken so long.
Poor from Roscommon it was over at half time
Quote from: seafoid on May 30, 2022, 12:17:54 PM
Quote from: mouview on May 30, 2022, 10:48:15 AM
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 03:49:49 PM
Galway the better team by a good bit. Very difficult to penetrate & hard in the tackle. Roscommon didn't lay a hand on Galway let alone a tackle. Roscommon defence shocking poor, the decision to drop McCormack & not start Hughes poor calls.
Harney outstanding & drove us forward all day, really showed great leadership. Key decisions went against us to, handy free for a neck tackle not given, peno for foot block not given, black card for Conroy not given & first half point given as wide.
Roscommon I think can still have a decent say in rest of championship, Galway were the better team today, but when will their forward line be given that space again.
Think the Rossies will still have a say alright, if their forwards recapture the accuracy shown in the league final. Neither of the Ulster finalists on yesterday's showing, nor Kildare, Cork, Meath etc. would be unbeatable, though Tyrone and Mayo would probably be a step up. Think that first half wide was wide, I have a feeling the linesman called it to the ref. Foot block incident call was borderline but correct, there was visible distance between the kicking foot and the block.
True, Galway did get the rub of the green from the post and the ref but had that extra bit of class required on the big days to give them the edge. Conroy was largely subdued through out, but the others carried the mantle, including Rob Finnerty who had his best day by miles in the maroon jersey. The Galway attack was helped in no small measure by a poor and porous Rossie defence though.
Yesterday was also by far this Galway management's best day and have finally moved on from the KW era, with a structure and style of their own evident. Though it still needs improving as a collective, I think for the first time in many years we have good players in defence, (no. 6 particularly), that can hold their own with anybody. For the first time in almost 20 years I would travel to CP with a bit of confidence we could take any other team down (bar the big 2 obviously).
Hard to believe it has taken so long.
Should go without saying, wish Galway well & any other team from the west in future stages of championship.
For me Galway or Roscommon have to beat a decent team in a big match in Croke Park, before they lose their flaky status.
Galway were 7 or 8 points the better team yday. Only player to stand up for us was Harney. The line had a poor day too.
Here's hoping we get a reaction the next day & avoid Mayo Tyrone.
Quote from: full moon on May 30, 2022, 02:12:34 PM
Poor from Roscommon it was over at half time
Was over midway through the 2nd half. The last Connacht final between the two Galway also led by 5 at half time.
Congrats to Galway, better team, and 3 point margin of defeat flattered us. Joyce showing he has ability to learn and adjust as a manager with the defensive plans he had for both Mayo and Ros. AC must have been expecting league final type of game and win a shootout because it opened up like the Red Sea every time Galway attacked at speed. Actually there was no sea. Of course, Galway is a different team when Shane Walsh is on song but they got a lot of great performances yesterday. Good to see Hughes back for us and brought much needed pace to our attacks when he came on. Still somehow we scored 2-16 playing poorly and left plenty behind as we kicked a lot of bad wides. I'd be hopeful if things click in 2 weeks, we'll be alright.
A surprisingly comfortable win for Galway, kickouts still an issue but Gleeson is improving on the shorts one; Looked like on first viewing Roscommon won more of the kickouts that went long then Galway did but haven't seen the stats. Tierney, Comer & Patrick Kelly all came off which didn't help in this department, wasn't like for like height wise.
What pleased me most was the way Galway came out for the 2nd half and didn't give Roscommon a chance to get back into the game and the way Galway reacted when Roscommon got their 1st goal, Galway went straight back up the other end and got a score; Roscommon never got close. Finnerty won't get anywhere that space going forward but was pleasing to see him hit that many scores.
McHugh & Molloy work very hard and have improved this year although Molloy still capable of poor decision making. McDaid has a lot of talent, all about him keeping fit and getting a proper run at it. There's a nice balance to that front 8, all very comfortable in front of the posts.
There's still plenty too work on but Galway are in a better position then I expected to be.
Such a change from the spring on the board
"Realistically where are Galway going conceding 3-10 at home to the likes of Offaly? Absolutely ridiculous. Worrying signs the last two weeks, you'll get away with that type of slack and mistake laden performance against lower Division Two standard teams, but will be blown out of it against serious opposition who won't give up a big score.
Have the three best teams left to play and I hope that Galway go up purely because we will fall even further behind Division One standard if they don't, the gulf is big enough as it is. Will be a difficult task though, 10 points mightn't be enough to go up given the huge imbalance in the Division, needless to say, anything bar a win against Clare and Galway will be in serious bother.
As for the championship will be looking for a good run in backdoor unless something serious changes between now and April 24th, a top level Division One team like Mayo are not going to give up cheap scores and will wreck a defensive setup that's letting in huge scores against Cork and Offaly.. Went into this league hoping to see some big improvements on 3 things: kickouts, defence setup and score conversion rate. When you see the calibre of opposition at this level, there is no improvement on the first two aspects and that level of performance today just isn't good enough.
"
Great weather, great win in Salthill.
No point dwelling on the performances of the match winning full forward line as it was obvious to all, I would question whether they will get as accommodating a defence again this year but in fairness, all three players had stages where they did wreck. Kelly, Walsh, Finnerty and Comer all came out on top in their match ups, Galway were always likely going to win if that transpired. The fortuitous second goal really blew the game open for Galway, but it was the result of good play prior to the ball coming back off the post and Kelly was live to it like a good forward should be, the finish was top class.
McHugh has turned into a really important player for Galway, I must admit that I couldn't see it when he started lining out in the Senior jersey, looked a limited player who didn't have any outstanding physical attributes. Boy was I totally wrong, he's an integral part of that Galway setup now and is basically giving a consistent 7/8 out of 10 performance every time he lines out, have to have lads like that who will just be solid and reliable.
One player definitely pegged from a good bit out is John Daly, who first stood out in a big way to me when Mayo overran Galway in Limerick, he was the youngest player on the pitch and there was more fight, effort and solid play coming from him that day in the face of adversity than many of the other more vaunted players who basically folded up the tent and didn't want to know about it. Not sure there is another player in Galway that has his football nous, an unbelievable reader of the game. Serious injuries are the only thing that has held him back and here's hoping he gets a long healthy run now, a vital player for Galway.
McDaid in the last two games has shown glimpses of the potential player he looked at U21 level, he has a level of natural athletic ability that Galway generally don't have in the squad compared to the half back athlete factory over the border in Mayo. Roscommon had to change their tactics and personnel at ht purely on the basis of his 1st half performance, this is a player affecting the oppositions game in a manner that can only provide dividends moving forward as he will have to be accounted for, another man who will hopefully get an injury free run now.
Conroy wasn't as important the last day – he still kicked a trademark long range score in injury time – but it's no harm that Galway could play well with one of the main men only having an average enough game by his standards.
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2022, 12:22:11 PM
Such a change from the spring on the board
"Realistically where are Galway going conceding 3-10 at home to the likes of Offaly? Absolutely ridiculous. Worrying signs the last two weeks, you'll get away with that type of slack and mistake laden performance against lower Division Two standard teams, but will be blown out of it against serious opposition who won't give up a big score.
Have the three best teams left to play and I hope that Galway go up purely because we will fall even further behind Division One standard if they don't, the gulf is big enough as it is. Will be a difficult task though, 10 points mightn't be enough to go up given the huge imbalance in the Division, needless to say, anything bar a win against Clare and Galway will be in serious bother.
As for the championship will be looking for a good run in backdoor unless something serious changes between now and April 24th, a top level Division One team like Mayo are not going to give up cheap scores and will wreck a defensive setup that's letting in huge scores against Cork and Offaly.. Went into this league hoping to see some big improvements on 3 things: kickouts, defence setup and score conversion rate. When you see the calibre of opposition at this level, there is no improvement on the first two aspects and that level of performance today just isn't good enough.
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You may as well have quoted me on that one Seafoid!
Would 100% stand by that assessment as it was at the time, the defensive system that showed up against Mayo was not seen during the league in matches I attended at least, watching a poor Cork outfit walk through to score a big total in PUC wasn't great viewing at all. However, even accounting for the "garbage time" scoring, it was still a total of 2-16 conceded the last day and some of the Rossies wides in the first half were reasonable chances that they would have expected to execute. The defence has numbers back and there were some nice swarm tackles but at times the opposition is still getting through far too easily, I'd put it firmly in the work in progress column.
In mitigation against that, the score conversion rate has definitely improved, they are putting away a greater proportion of chances compared to previous years and even the first half wides from McDaid and Comer last Sunday were the correct option to take on which is all you can ask for. Couldn't fault their efficiency in front of the posts at the moment, obviously vital to maintain that moving into the Q-final. Walsh, who has had issues with simple enough frees in the past, has been absolute money with placed balls in the championship so far, Galway need that to continue.
However, the kick outs have improved marginally but when the fat was in the fire coming down the stretch against Mayo and to a lesser extent against Roscommon, Galway still have not shown that they have "go to" kickouts that will ensure they keep the ball when the pressure is on. Stats for the kickouts last Sunday were well in favour of the Rossies and the limitations of the Galway kickout will be the eventual end of this team IMO. Reasonable success on the overload kickout during the first half in particular and there were a number of better instances of working a short kickout to Silke, but we saw with the two misfires to Jack Glynn out over the sideline where Gleeson's limits are. Even watching his short kick out warmups prior to throw in, his placement on the ball was always a fraction off, bouncing in front or slightly to the side of the coach receiving the ball. Assuming that this wasn't the objective of the drill for ball placement, then, ideally, they should be going straight into the chest or catching radius of the target, the top lads at that position are hitting it so well you couldn't hand the ball off to a player better.
Anyway, it is currently looking a lot better at the moment than it was in the league, no point getting carried away, but PJ basically had to get promotion, then beat a superior Mayo team on their patch and win Connacht beating the other provincial big gun in the final to keep his job, that's been done. A Q-final win now and it's been a good year, the vagaries of the draw will play a part in that but given that Dublin and Kerry are on the opposite side of the draw that means the two stand out teams aren't in the way, plenty of teams left that could beat each other depending on the day, what response we will see from Tyrone and Mayo next weekend will be key to the remainder of the championship as well.
For me Galway haven't showed enough yet to firmly move themselves past a number of other teams who are of a similar enough level, what Galway have done is put themselves in a fantastic position to improve and make this a memorable summer journey, no guarantees that it won't end at the Q-final stage but there is potential now to build on the year to date. We are not quite playing with house money yet but if Galway get past the Q-final, then there's an opportunity there that hasn't come along in years.
Good post AFA. Would agree with all of that. Walsh has really gone from being a bang average (due to inconsistency) free taker, to a top class one. Thats in line with his general improvement in consistency from open play. For all that's thrown at Joyce, it was clear from the moment he asked to have Walsh brought on the international rules trip in 18 because "I wanted to get a hold of him", that one of his main priorities was getting that insane talent out of Walsh. We're a lot further along that path than we were at the end of 2019.
I've had it in my head all year that Galway were 4/5 players away from really competing. The goalkeeper situation is still unresolved, and it's a pity Flaherty got injured when he did. Gleeson is showing improvement, but it won't be enough not to have us at a distinct disadvantage for the rest of the year. A full back to free up Sean Kelly. This may or may not be resolved in the coming years, it depends on how Mulkerrins comes back and progresses and whether Fitz will make it in future.
One real half back with searing pace and drive. Even though he's not playing there, I think we've found that now with McDaid and it'll end up being his position. He's started to look a proper player again. All limbs crossed that he's stays injury free.
Lastly, one or two true midfielders, to either play next to Conroy or in the coming 2 years, to free an aging Conroy up to play closer to goal. One is already around, getting Peter Cooke back for the next couple of season is of paramount importance. The other obvious contender is McLaughlin, and I really hope injuries don't curb his huge potential.
There's about a 3 year window now before the old axis of Walsh, Comer and Heaney will be past their prime. Obvious we've to hope Conroy's powers don't wane quickly. This is the first time in a long while I've felt there's possibly a chance at an AI there in future. Huge caveats to that, staying injury free, the younger lads like Paul Kelly, Patrick Kelly, Tierney, Glynn, McLaughlin and Sweeney continuing to progress and maybe some able returning men like Cooke & Mike Daly. Seems like a lot to ask! One can only hope though
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