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Dublin are putting up massive scores and by the sounds from the Kildare lads they didn't put up much of a fight against the Dubs
Sounds like Tyrone also had a very bad day at the office v Cork and sounds like we could be in for another tanking from the Boys in Blue
Nothing less than a complete turnaround from yesterday's fare will give us any chance in this one -- here's hoping that the lethargy has been run out of them in Omagh and that the mojo is fully recharged for Saturday. We'll need it.
i fear this could be a hiding for tyrone. hope i'm proved wrong though.
I think the manner of last weeks defeat and the current form of Dublin has dented Tyrone people's enthusiasm a bit ahead of this game. But I'm looking forward to seeing how they get on. This to me will be the biggest test we will get this year ahead of the championship so I really hope the players lift themselves and give a big performance. People sometimes can get carried away - Dublin are very good but like any other team they're not unbeatable. I hope we have everyone available and give a big performance. A win here would really lift the confidence of the team for the season ahead.
Yes I think you're totally right Redhand Santa. Those of us who live down here have been looking forward to this match since it was announced. To have it on the eve of Paddy's day on a Sat night really adds to it though the cold weather will put many off. Apparently last weekend the poor Dubs & Lilly whites got frostbite with the wind not helping.
In a way I think maybe last weekend's defeat to Cork will help bring us back to earth with a bang and help us refocus. Reading Mark Donnelly in the Irish News yesterday he seemed to feel we coasted a bit and didn't put in the hard work. As Mayo & Donegal found out that being AI finalists last year means nothing in the following February. Those who are fittest & hungry will get the early wins and will at least stay up.
The Dubs have a very new look team though Brogan is back on fire and will require a lot of attention. I think we will rise our game from last week and put on a decent show. If we can hold Dublins forwards to under 12 points then I think we'll win but whether or not we can do that is the big question. They've been playing a much more open attacking style of football and so if we can frustrate them and play on the break I think we've a good chance
Are many of ye coming down & staying down?
Who is going to pick up Brogan? I think big Joe McMahon could do a good job. Strong, quick and a great reader of thegme and has always shown iphone well when called back into defense to help out.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 13, 2013, 11:41:32 AM
Who is going to pick up Brogan? I think big Joe McMahon could do a good job. Strong, quick and a great reader of thegme and has always shown iphone well when called back into defense to help out.
First GPS trackers, now this.
;D omagh_gael that gave me a laugh - presume an iphone typo?
I'm heading down with hope rather than expectation but I'm glad that some of the younger guys will get a bit more experience in Croke Park.
And I'm def getting old - I'm driving down and driving back to Belfast again afterwards. A few years ago, I'd have a whole weekend's events planned.
A reminder that with a season ticket you can get into the club finals on Sunday too -- just 'purchase' the tickets for sweet nothing and print off! ;)
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 13, 2013, 11:41:32 AM
Who is going to pick up Brogan? I think big Joe McMahon could do a good job. Strong, quick and a great reader of thegme and has always shown iphone well when called back into defense to help out.
I would expect Cathal McCarron to man mark him.
Hope im wrong, but I think Tyrone will get absolutely tanked on Saturday night.
Whats the heaviest defeat under Mickeys reign?
I remember the last few big league games in Croke Park being great games especially the 2007 one when Tyrone weren't expected to win.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dubs-sights-set-on-unbeaten-season-flynn-29126607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dubs-sights-set-on-unbeaten-season-flynn-29126607.html)
I can see Tyrone playing a very defensive style game to allow Dublin little space to play it
How will they play if Brogan is double marked?
I can see Tyrone sitting back too deep defensively and inviting Dublin on.
Quote from: God14 on March 13, 2013, 02:51:25 PM
I can see Tyrone sitting back too deep defensively and inviting Dublin on.
Don't do it!!!!!
Staying down the saturday and sunday buzzman, where would be ideal for schoops before the match? Any Tyrone supporters for the Hill? Would Aidy McCrory be given the task of Brogan?
The match is at 7 so I'd say it will be bitter cold BogBall88 so wrap up well if yer going to the Hill
Depends what ye are looking for before the match but a lot still go to Quinns, McGraths, Phil Ryans, the big Tree but in recent years I tend to meet in Jurys hotel
I'd say it could be McCrory & Joey.
Hope we've a full panel to pick from.
Quote from: bogball88 on March 13, 2013, 03:14:40 PM
Staying down the saturday and sunday buzzman, where would be ideal for schoops before the match? Any Tyrone supporters for the Hill? Would Aidy McCrory be given the task of Brogan?
Too light. McCarron would be more physical but would still be a bit light for BB. I would give Clarke a go at it.
Quote from: Rois on March 13, 2013, 12:37:25 PM
;D omagh_gael that gave me a laugh - presume an iphone typo?
I'm heading down with hope rather than expectation but I'm glad that some of the younger guys will get a bit more experience in Croke Park.
And I'm def getting old - I'm driving down and driving back to Belfast again afterwards. A few years ago, I'd have a whole weekend's events planned.
Even worse Rois, a Samsung Galaxy. The predictive text has a mind of its own!
Did any of ye see the goal Bernard scored last Sunday when a high ball came in and two Kildare players went for it and both knocked each other over and BB happily collects and scores his goal.
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Quote from: bogball88 on March 13, 2013, 03:14:40 PM
Staying down the saturday and sunday buzzman, where would be ideal for schoops before the match? Any Tyrone supporters for the Hill? Would Aidy McCrory be given the task of Brogan?
Too light. McCarron would be more physical but would still be a bit light for BB. I would give Clarke a go at it.
Wouldn't mind seeing Clarke getting a go. However, you'd imagine he'll be rested ahead of the u21's on Wednesday. I'm not sure if McCrory is too light as such - he looks big enough. But I think he needs to get a bit more physical with his opponent. He seems to shadow his man well but never actually gets a hand on them to put them off balance or put the pressure on and make them think twice before going for the next ball. McCarron might be a bit nice too for marking a top class forward. The very best corner backs have that extra bit of aggrssion. We haven't many other options though. Think Joe's turn of pace could rule him out and its hard to know if Justy will be fit.
Based on the fact that McCrory picked up Cooper and Clarke in the championship last year he is probably the most likely to pick up Brogan.
I don't think it really matters who picks him up in that full back line. Brogan is a collective defensive effort fella, something that Mickey's good at planning for, apart from the time he overlooked Diarmuid Connolly in 2011 but no one saw that coming. If you leave him isolated with any of those Tyrone defenders he'll roast them.
Mark Donnelly has to start in my opinion. He's one fellow who can compete for breaking ball around the middle effectively.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 13, 2013, 02:42:06 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dubs-sights-set-on-unbeaten-season-flynn-29126607.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dubs-sights-set-on-unbeaten-season-flynn-29126607.html)
I can see Tyrone playing a very defensive style game to allow Dublin little space to play it
How will they play if Brogan is double marked?
well they scored 2-16 from play last week and Brogan only scored 1-1 from play so the other players scored 1-15 so I'd assume they'll have options....
Will they leave Connolly/Kilkenny/Andrews etc free if they double mark Brogan
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on March 14, 2013, 10:33:34 AM
well they scored 2-16 from play last week and Brogan only scored 1-1 from play so the other players scored 1-15 so I'd assume they'll have options....
Will they leave Connolly/Kilkenny/Andrews etc free if they double mark Brogan
Yes. All three.
Will our own Mr Quinn get any action against his home county I wonder.
Again, there's no such thing with double-marking any more with Tyrone. As Donegal showed last year, it's a collective effort of seemlessly having enough bodies in defence that it looks like 2-3 players are on the man in possession at any given time. I don't think Tyrone are anywhere near the standard set last year by Donegal but it's a work in progress. It's an untidy mess of bodies but extremely effective if turnovers result in scores at the other end.
What Tyrone seem to be building on is a group 12-13 players capable of playing that defensive game whilst having the ability to break at speed - boys like McCarron etc who aren't your traditional corner backs but can run all day and pack a bit of physicality. Unfortunately we don't have a Murphy or McFadden yet to ice the cake. O'Neill was seen foraging on his own full back line last week.
It'll be interesting to see if Dublin continue to show the good form displayed so far. I've a sneaking suspicion that Tyrone will have a good year in 2013
Wonder what comments Micky Harte will get his players to whisper into Diarmuid Connolly's ear saturday night ?
I'd say Mickey will have them on their best behaviour and not to be even spitting on the ground in case the wind catches it.
When's the last time Dublin beat Tyrone in the league in Croker?
I know we've been in Div 2 for 2 years.
2010 Tyrone 1-11 | Dublin 2-14 in Omagh
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 14, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
I'd say Mickey will have them on their best behaviour and not to be even spitting on the ground in case the wind catches it.
When's the last time Dublin beat Tyrone in the league in Croker?
I know we've been in Div 2 for 2 years.
2010 Tyrone 1-11 | Dublin 2-14 in Omagh
Lost both league games in Croker. Relagated ye in Omagh in 2010.
Beat ye in Parnell park in 2004?
Quote from: heffo on March 14, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 14, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
I'd say Mickey will have them on their best behaviour and not to be even spitting on the ground in case the wind catches it.
When's the last time Dublin beat Tyrone in the league in Croker?
I know we've been in Div 2 for 2 years.
2010 Tyrone 1-11 | Dublin 2-14 in Omagh
Lost both league games in Croker. Relagated ye in Omagh in 2010.
Beat ye in Parnell park in 2004?
There was the Battle of Omagh in 2006, Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke Park in 2007 and 2008 under lights, didn't play in 2009 as Dublin were in Division 2 and lost in 2010 before a spell in Division 2.
Yeah that 2004 game for me was the start of the big rivalry between the two counties.
We found out that day the welcome ye get when you're the new AI champions.
Just read the Gaelic Life there at lunch time. Interesting how they describe how the Dublin forwards make loads of runs and drag their men all over the pitch so leaving more room for Brogan & Co.
I doubt we'll see Tyrone as open as they were in 2010 when Mickey seemed to go for a more open style game.
Will we see a similar team named tonight. Will McNeice and Mattie Donnelly be back in to play more defensive sweeping roles.
What ever happened McLaughlin from Newton or McBride?
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 14, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on March 14, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 14, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
I'd say Mickey will have them on their best behaviour and not to be even spitting on the ground in case the wind catches it.
When's the last time Dublin beat Tyrone in the league in Croker?
I know we've been in Div 2 for 2 years.
2010 Tyrone 1-11 | Dublin 2-14 in Omagh
Lost both league games in Croker. Relagated ye in Omagh in 2010.
Beat ye in Parnell park in 2004?
There was the Battle of Omagh in 2006, Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke Park in 2007 and 2008 under lights, didn't play in 2009 as Dublin were in Division 2 and lost in 2010 before a spell in Division 2.
Think you're mixing up 2008 & 2009 there
Quote from: heffo on March 14, 2013, 02:27:24 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 14, 2013, 01:51:36 PM
Quote from: heffo on March 14, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 14, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
I'd say Mickey will have them on their best behaviour and not to be even spitting on the ground in case the wind catches it.
When's the last time Dublin beat Tyrone in the league in Croker?
I know we've been in Div 2 for 2 years.
2010 Tyrone 1-11 | Dublin 2-14 in Omagh
Lost both league games in Croker. Relagated ye in Omagh in 2010.
Beat ye in Parnell park in 2004?
There was the Battle of Omagh in 2006, Tyrone beat Dublin in Croke Park in 2007 and 2008 under lights, didn't play in 2009 as Dublin were in Division 2 and lost in 2010 before a spell in Division 2.
Think you're mixing up 2008 & 2009 there
I did. Was thinking the 125 game wasn't as far back as 2008.
Tyrone team:
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc
2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin
3 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór
4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór
5 Joe McMahon An Omaigh
6 Justin McMahon An Omaigh
7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin
8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh
9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh
10 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac
11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin
12 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin
13 Kyle Coney Árd Bó
14 Stephen O'Neill Clann na nGael
15 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór
16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua
17 Aidan Cassidy Eochar
18 Kevin Gallagher An Baile Nua
19 Plunkett Kane Oileán a'Ghuail
20 Johnathan Lafferty Urnaí
21 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo
22 Danny McBride An Srath Ban
23 Ryan McKenna Eaglais
24 Patrick McNiece Oileán a'Ghuail
25 Michael Murphy An Gallbhaile
26 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
Happy enough with that team. Hard to know exactly how it will line out. Especially difficult to guess what he'll do with the McMahons. We're certainly big enough in defence. Hopefully we can win enough ball round the middle to put a bit of pressure on the Dubs. Can see a close game which could go either way.
Good to see Justy back, and fairly happy with that selection too. Seems like Mickey's setting up a half-back line springboard for forward surges; could be interesting. And good to see Mark Donnelly back too, we need his tireless foraging and industry.
anyone know what has happened to Darren McCurry?
Played in the Championship last year, was on fire earlier in the year. Now gone.
I take it he is injured?
There hasn't been any talk of him but he must be injured. Hasn't been on the bench in recent games and didn't play for the u21s in the Shamrock Cup final. Would be disappointing if he wasn't fit for the u21s. He'd be ruled out this weekend because of it anyway. McAliskey can feel disappointed not to start. But can see the logic in giving Coney games. Hopefully he improves from last week and can put on an improved performance this weekend.
Not far from our strongest team I'd say
Is Penrose out of favour again?
The Dubs will have a lot more new lads on that we will have I'd say
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 14, 2013, 09:05:04 PM
Not far from our strongest team I'd say
Is Penrose out of favour again?
The Dubs will have a lot more new lads on that we will have I'd say
Yes, that's about it. A couple of the U21s to be drafted in I suppose - possibly Clarke and Ronan.
What about Harry og - how's he progressing? I see he was taken off early in the Shamrock final.
Glad to see Mark Donnelly starting. I'd be happy to be within 3/4 points of Dublin.
Ciaran McGinley starting not a bit of a suprise?
Quote from: God14 on March 14, 2013, 09:22:10 PM
Ciaran McGinley starting not a bit of a suprise?
Must see something in training with him over Penrose. Be interesting to find out what.
Quote from: God14 on March 14, 2013, 09:22:10 PM
Ciaran McGinley starting not a bit of a suprise?
No he is from Errigal, that's 3 now.
Hi too all new to the forum :) any ideas if the Dublin line up will be out tonight?
Quote from: Knock Yer Mucker In on March 14, 2013, 09:27:23 PM
Quote from: God14 on March 14, 2013, 09:22:10 PM
Ciaran McGinley starting not a bit of a suprise?
No he is from Errigal, that's 3 now.
Not really that huge a number from the county champions. Thought he looked decent enough in the games I saw him for Errigal last year and should fit into the running game. Don't mind seeing him get a go. If Penrose could improve his shooting efficiency and learn when to pass he'd be worth his place.
Welcome Dublinfan, can't help you there, sorry! ;)
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 14, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
Thought he looked decent enough in the games I saw him for Errigal last year and should fit into the running game...
Nail on the head I'd imagine - giving Dublin enough to think about regarding what's going to be coming right back at them!
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 14, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 14, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
Thought he looked decent enough in the games I saw him for Errigal last year and should fit into the running game...
Nail on the head I'd imagine - giving Dublin enough to think about regarding what's going to be coming right back at them!
Is he a brother of Enda/Cormac?
Quote from: ONeill on March 14, 2013, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 14, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 14, 2013, 09:31:05 PM
Thought he looked decent enough in the games I saw him for Errigal last year and should fit into the running game...
Nail on the head I'd imagine - giving Dublin enough to think about regarding what's going to be coming right back at them!
Is he a brother of Enda/Cormac?
I've a notion he's not but wouldn't be 100% sure. As I said previously I've felt from the start of the year that this is the league game that I think will give us the best insight into where we're at. Dublin are currently the best team in Ireland and given the venue it will be great to see how the team get on. We've a strong enough team on with a good chunk of our first 15. Would be really hopeful of a performance.
Not a brother, cousin.
Actually not sure if he cousin, positive he's not a brother but.
He is a cousin. Has a great engine. Would be the fittest on the Errigal panel. will run all night and has a good eye for long range points. Be interesting to see how he gets on. Deserves a chance.
Quote from: EC Unique on March 14, 2013, 11:22:55 PM
He is a cousin. Has a great engine. Would be the fittest on the Errigal panel. will run all night and has a good eye for long range points. Be interesting to see how he gets on. Deserves a chance.
That's a Mickey type player alright.
Was thinking about McCurry last night when I saw the panel. I agree that we need a team with a lot of atheleticism in it to play in Croke Park againt Dublin, so wouldn't be surprised to see Lafferty put in an appearance as his ball winning ability and pace, coupled with his size, would add an extra dimension to the Tyrone attack.
With MD Macauley more than llkely to come back into MF I can see him boss both Cavanaghs out of it though I'm glad to see Mickey moving both McMahon's out the field a bit. As someone said God knows where people will actually line out with it changing a lot during the game.
Getting excited now and its not bad weather down here at the moment though the forecast says showers but no frost.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 15, 2013, 10:21:50 AM
With MD Macauley more than llkely to come back into MF I can see him boss both Cavanaghs out of it though I'm glad to see Mickey moving both McMahon's out the field a bit. As someone said God knows where people will actually line out with it changing a lot during the game.
Getting excited now and its not bad weather down here at the moment though the forecast says showers but no frost.
I'm excited to see Justy and Joe in the same full back line. They will be able to go forward as well as being involved in the midfield battles. Mark Donnelly does a lot of running but hopefully will have learnt from previous experience that hitting quick, long ball is maybe the better option especially in Croke Park and against a team like Dublin who will swallow you up in the tackle and eventually tire you out.
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 15, 2013, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 15, 2013, 10:21:50 AM
With MD Macauley more than llkely to come back into MF I can see him boss both Cavanaghs out of it though I'm glad to see Mickey moving both McMahon's out the field a bit. As someone said God knows where people will actually line out with it changing a lot during the game.
Getting excited now and its not bad weather down here at the moment though the forecast says showers but no frost.
I'm excited to see Justy and Joe in the same full back line. They will be able to go forward as well as being involved in the midfield battles. Mark Donnelly does a lot of running but hopefully will have learnt from previous experience that hitting quick, long ball is maybe the better option especially in Croke Park and against a team like Dublin who will swallow you up in the tackle and eventually tire you out.
You must be really excited. Are numbers 5 & 6 not in the half back line? :P
Quote from: Dublinfan on March 14, 2013, 09:29:24 PM
Hi too all new to the forum :) any ideas if the Dublin line up will be out tonight?
Here you go:-
Dublin: Shane Supple; Kevin O'Brien, Rory O'Carroll, Jonny Cooper; Jack McCaffrey, Cian O'Sullivan, Darren Daly; Declan O'Mahony, Michael Dara Macauley; Paul Flynn, Ciaran Kilkenny, Ciaran Reddin; Paddy Andrews, Diarmuid Connolly, Bernard Brogan.
If that Tyrone team gets within 7/8 points i will be very surprised. The Errigle bias continues............pity there are none like Canavan though!!!!
i reckon Tyrone will line out as follows
1 Niall Morgan
2 Aidan McCrory 3 Conor Gormley 4 Cathal McCarron
5 Joe McMahon
6 Justin McMahon 10 Matthew Donnelly 7 Ronan McNamee
8 Colm Cavanagh 9 Sean Cavanagh
11 Peter Harte 15 Mark Donnelly 12 Ciaran McGinley
13 Kyle Coney 14 Stephen O'Neill
Quote from: The Trap on March 15, 2013, 11:25:17 AM
If that Tyrone team gets within 7/8 points i will be very surprised. The Errigle bias continues............pity there are none like Canavan though!!!!
I genuinely don't think there will be anything like that in it either way.
Lots of good, fast youngfellas on the Dublin team who seem to have adapted well to spring football so far but if I was Mickey Harte there would be lots of areas I could target, not least the Ossie Ardiles style we're playing at the moment.
very strong looking dublin line up... very classy half back line. Its a mark of how good a keeper cluxton is, when your relieved not to see him in the line up. His kickouts have murdered us in the past few meetings.
I'd be worried about the potential for an ugly incident in this game in light of Diarmuid Connollys assault case.
Hope Mickey keeps control of the players.
The last thing Tyrone football needs is another controversy.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 15, 2013, 11:38:29 AM
I'd be worried about the potential for an ugly incident in this game in light of Diarmuid Connollys assault case.
Hope Mickey keeps control of the players with his big stick that he always uses at Dublin games.
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He's really let the beard grow now.
The main thing Meath & Jinxy football need right now is another Tyrone and Dublin controversy.
I hope it doesn't start to spit rain or hail.
Quote from: the_daddy on March 15, 2013, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 15, 2013, 09:07:51 AM
Was thinking about McCurry last night when I saw the panel. I agree that we need a team with a lot of atheleticism in it to play in Croke Park againt Dublin, so wouldn't be surprised to see Lafferty put in an appearance as his ball winning ability and pace, coupled with his size, would add an extra dimension to the Tyrone attack.
Anyone who made the journey to Castlebar would be surprised to see him.
He only got a lock of minutes against Mayo. Can't really be judged on that. Surprised Danny McBride or Kevin Gallagher aren't even getting a look in either after showing well in the McKenna Cup.
I can see why the Dubs are putting up big scores with that forward line.
Ciaran Reddin is the only one I don't recognise.
The rest are all worthy of a few scores each and we know what Connolly did to use back in 2011.
A lot of new faces in the back line though I believe O'Brien was their U21 winning capt from last year.
I've saw Caffrey play for my local club Clontarf and he sure is a gem of a player.
Don't know much about O'Mahony at MF either so will be interesting to see this new look Dublin team.
I can't see it being a feisty affair as Gavin seems to trust his team to play all out attacking football and he probably knows himself a defeat at this stage might actually do more good than not.
Psychologically the team have continued in their winning ways from U21s and so I'd say he would be a little nervous to continue winning every game until 1/4 final day in the summer.
As Mickey always said ye learn more from losing that from winning.
I'm gonna stick my neck out and say a Tyrone win from a very entertaining game of football.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 15, 2013, 11:54:31 AM
I can see why the Dubs are putting up big scores with that forward line.
Ciaran Reddin is the only one I don't recognise.
The rest are all worthy of a few scores each and we know what Connolly did to use back in 2011.
A lot of new faces in the back line though I believe O'Brien was their U21 winning capt from last year.
I've saw Caffrey play for my local club Clontarf and he sure is a gem of a player.
Don't know much about O'Mahony at MF either so will be interesting to see this new look Dublin team.
I can't see it being a feisty affair as Gavin seems to trust his team to play all out attacking football and he probably knows himself a defeat at this stage might actually do more good than not.
Psychologically the team have continued in their winning ways from U21s and so I'd say he would be a little nervous to continue winning every game until 1/4 final day in the summer.
As Mickey always said ye learn more from losing that from winning.
I'm gonna stick my neck out and say a Tyrone win from a very entertaining game of football.
Reddin would be a hard working half forward (plays midfield for his club)
O'Mahony was on the U21 team AI winning team in 2003 at midfield that Gavin coached - had a fair few chances with Dublin over the years, most recently at FF around 2008.
Is Raymond Mulgrew training with Tyrone again?
No nrico, he's not.
I must say i know im biased as a Fr Rocks man, but I really think he should be. The break from football has helped him fill out a little, yet he's kept himself in great shape if you know what i mean. Doesnt seem to have lost any of the old magic!
With Pete Hartes form dipping at the moment id have thought he would have had a call.
We'll need to have our best performance of the year coupled with an off day for the dubs to nick this one. We've shown good fight so far, e.g. Castlebar, and there should be a positive reaction following our poor showing last weekend. Need to keep it tight for the first quarter and try and shackle BB as much as possible.
Big Sean has been motoring well this spring, lets hope the open ground of Croke park serves him well.
Quote from: God14 on March 15, 2013, 12:25:31 PM
No nrico, he's not.
I must say i know im biased as a Fr Rocks man, but I really think he should be. The break from football has helped him fill out a little, yet he's kept himself in great shape if you know what i mean. Doesnt seem to have lost any of the old magic!
With Pete Hartes form dipping at the moment id have thought he would have had a call.
My thoughts exactly, saw him in the final the other week and he has filled out and is no longer a lightweight, which was probably the one thing holding him back before. Would love to see him back on the panel as we are in need of some creativity at number 11.
I always thought Mulgrew was a class act. Did he not get an all start nominee one year too? I think the year Meath beat Tyrone.
Good player, was wondering where he went to.
Oozed skill and class, did Raymie, but tended to disappear in games, probably because of his relative lack of bulk. Would be great if he made a return having filled out a bit.
Up in Belfast tomorrow night, staying in City Centre, would there be any pubs about the city centre that would be showing Tyrone v Dublin or would you have to head out a bit to the Hatfield / Errigal ?
Quote from: Jinxy on March 15, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
Good player, was wondering where he went to.
Australia for 2 years
NE the city centre is fairly rubbish for sports in general. I'd say you'd need to head up the ormeau road alright.
Is Paddy Quinn on the Dubs squad for tomorrow night? It would be interesting if he got an outing against his native county.
Looking forward to this tonight.
Tyrone usually come to play football once they aren't playing Northern opposition.
Two teams in transition. Should be exciting.
Tyrone probably have the edge experience wise.
Its a lovely morning here but it'll be bloody cold in HQ later so wrap up well. Hopefully the teams will put on an exciting game to keep us warm!
Dubs by 2
Tyrone supporters are very nervy about this one. That could be a good thing but it could be that we fear a mincin. This Dublin team have been the benchmark to all in Ireland with their preparation. If stories are to be believed they are running through St Stevens green at 5 30 in the mornings... doing weights at tae break and doing Zumba at lunch breaks whilst they work at computer desks all day long. Compare that to the arduous day of an average Tyrone man. Sausage and egg soda in the back of a van heading to paint housing executive houses on the Falls. tae and biccies at lunch with a bag o tayto before hitting ballygawley for a training session later that evenings. If the Dubs dont win this by 6± Ill ate my hat.
Should be a good open game tonight. Which should benefit Dublin, they are fairly racking up the scores.
Tyrone forward line is lacking in real scoring power, which is not something I had ever envisaged. Would like to see Sean Cav in full forward.
Would like to see Harte get more involved, he is a quality player but going through a quiet spell at the min.
I would take the pressure off Harte and move him to the wing, I think he is a first team player but not at 11 or 6 but on the outside of that. Hope he delivers tonight. Mon tyrone
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I drove past Croker today about 11.30am and there was a heavy snow shower and still some menacing black clouds about here in Clontarf.
I feel confident of a 1 point win. ;D
Gutted for Kyle Coney (injured on thurs night) hope it's not too serious. I reckon McAliskey will get the nod ahead of Penrise and lafferty. Justy 50/50 as well.
No matter what way I analyse the game I just can't see Tyrone winning. Maybe I'm paying them too much respect. That half back line of theirs looks awesome. Forwards get the headlines but that's where the balance of play is shaped.
Dublin to pull away in the second half to win by 7 points or more.
Anybody gotta stream?
Just heard Coney is out for 12 weeks, shoulder injury. Worst of luck for the lad, devastating. Also a rumour of B Brogan not starting.
Brogan not starting and a few other changes apparently but not sure what they are, Ger Brennan is one of them though.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 16, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
Anybody gotta stream?
This appears to be working grand,
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Tyrone 0-10 Dublin 1-06 HT DUBLIN
Tyrone have 10 wides already, need to tighten up the scoring return big time to win this.
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 16, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
Anybody gotta stream?
This appears to be working grand,
http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html (http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html)
I suppose not getting spat upon, is as good as a thanks. ;D
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2013, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 16, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
Anybody gotta stream?
This appears to be working grand,
http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html (http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html)
I suppose not getting spat upon, is as good as a thanks. ;D
Manners like O'Neill.
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2013, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 16, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
Anybody gotta stream?
This appears to be working grand,
http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html (http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html)
I suppose not getting spat upon, is as good as a thanks. ;D
Just working on an epic greener here, will be lobbing it's way to you shortly :)
Get in there.
Nothin like batin' the Dubs in their own duhhel!
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2013, 06:56:50 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 16, 2013, 06:42:01 PM
Anybody gotta stream?
This appears to be working grand,
http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html (http://www.kakibara.com/watch/live/stream/online/free/tv/video/channel/feed/link/broadcast/vivo/gratis/p2p/diretta/m11/2/march-16-2013/live-gaa-dublin-vs-tyrone.html)
Thanks Main Street. Appreciated.
Not bad from the Tyronies.
Mickey H is in a serious mood this year.
Joe Brolly @JoeBrolly1993
Black cards must be introduced Mickey Harte must be faced down The strategy of systematic cynical fouling is immune to the current rules.
Twisted Tyrone feckers, why do I ever doubt you, especially after last week's shambles against the Rebels, buzzin here after that result, this league is mad this year, MAD I TELL YOU!!!
Quote from: red hander on March 16, 2013, 08:56:48 PM
Twisted Tyrone feckers, why do I ever doubt you, especially after last week's shambles against the Rebels, buzzin here after that result, this league is mad this year, MAD I TELL YOU!!!
It's in the Tyrone nature to be fickle.
The Dubs know they put out a weak team.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 08:51:54 PM
Joe Brolly @JoeBrolly1993
Black cards must be introduced Mickey Harte must be faced down The strategy of systematic cynical fouling is immune to the current rules.
This Joe Brolly fella will cause some stir on twitter when the championship kicks off. I can see the GAA censoring him come cship season! Cue a full page rant from Mickey Harte in this Fridays Irish News about how fantastic a product gaelic football is and how the rules are perfect as they are. Also will have a pop back at Brolly without actually naming him.
I'd say Dublin aren't too bothered getting beat tonight maybe dampen some of the hype a bit.
Very likely that if Brogan was playing, Dubs would have at least pipped Tyrone. Won't get away with those big daft wides (in the first half) come championship Tyrone boxed clever with a bit of cynicism at the end, which shows exactly how hungry they are-capable of getting to the final but certainly not the best team in Div 1 at the minute. 9 different scorers is impressive, though.
Fair play to Tyrone well worth their win. Class is permanent and a fully fit O'Neill and Cavanagh rolled back the years tonight.
Was impressed with some of the less familiar Tyrone players too. As I said earlier in the week, no harm for some of the young lads to get experience playing against that type of team.
With Congress voting on the FRC proposals next week, tonights game might swing a few votes towards the new rules.
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Cathal McCarron was my MOTM, but ONeill & Cavanagh were excellent also
Good game, Tyrone about deserved the win. Sean Cavanagh was excellent along with Stephan ONeill but MOTM for me was Mark Donnelly. He was involved in everything good tonight and covered every blade of grass in Croke Park. (Nothing to do with him being from Carrickmore ;) ). The subs made a big difference as well for Tyrone at the end with some great score from Kane.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Can I refer the honorable member back to the All-Ireland semi-final of 1996 when we were told to stop whingeing and take our beating... We took our lessons on board, why don't you accept that and do the same, eh?
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 16, 2013, 02:49:26 PM
I drove past Croker today about 11.30am and there was a heavy snow shower and still some menacing black clouds about here in Clontarf.
I feel confident of a 1 point win. ;D
Did you do the lotto too?
Great to get the win, although tempered by the fact that had Dublin had B Brogan available they probably would have won out. I mentioned before the game that this would be a huge indicator of how our year could pan out. Either receive a trimming and fade away or bounce back and consign the Cork game to a blip along the way. Hopefully this result can add a bit of fire to the belly and inject the confidence required to make a mark later in the year.
Thought Mark Donnelly had a superb game and Plunkett Kane made an excellent cameo at the end. Looks like it will be ourselves, Dublin, Kildare and Cork in the semis. Hopefully we secure our spot there as these extra games are an excellent way to keep the sharpness up.
Quote from: red hander on March 16, 2013, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Can I refer the honorable member back to the All-Ireland semi-final of 1996 when we were told to stop whingeing and take our beating... We took our lessons on board, why don't you accept that and do the same, eh?
...'tis the judo tackles throughout the first 65 minutes that annoy me. In the end of the day, if you mind your manners for most of the match, you have the option of slowing up the play in the last 5 minutes to close the game out. That's the nature of most field sports-you can't stop it. Very frustrating if you're on the receiving end-very sensible if not!
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 16, 2013, 10:02:10 PM
had Dublin had B Brogan available they probably would have won out
He was available. He and Rory O'Carroll were rested.
mark donnelly motm for me too. vital win and stops the rot against the dubs.
Quote from: Whishtup on March 16, 2013, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: red hander on March 16, 2013, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Can I refer the honorable member back to the All-Ireland semi-final of 1996 when we were told to stop whingeing and take our beating... We took our lessons on board, why don't you accept that and do the same, eh?
...'tis the judo tackles throughout the first 65 minutes that annoy me. In the end of the day, if you mind your manners for most of the match, you have the option of slowing up the play in the last 5 minutes to close the game out. That's the nature of most field sports-you can't stop it. Very frustrating if you're on the receiving end-very sensible if not!
Tell me about kid, we had our 3 main men taken out dangerously in 1996, but sure nobbody listen, but, here, we learnt our lesson, and we ignore criticism fron total hypocrites!!!
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Teams really need to work to get it going for the whole 70.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Once again,
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An excellent reaction to the poor performance last week. It will be a boost to the team to win in Croke Park and without the under 21 players too. Division 1 status secured with 2 matches to go and a decent shout of making the semi-finals, it has been a good league campaign at this stage. The only negative really is the news about Coney, another real blow for the lad if he is indeed going to be out again for a while. A blow to the team too as a fit Coney would really add to the forward line.
Good to win in Croker. Fine performances from Sean, Stevie and especially Mark Donnelly. McCrory got some roasting at times. McCarron's distribution is very frustrating. Still need to find two good defenders and a reliable partner for Stevie.
I thought the ref was very slow to punish Dublin for their cynicism in the first half. If Cavanagh built up a head of steam he was unceremoniously floored.
Quote from: red hander on March 16, 2013, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on March 16, 2013, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: red hander on March 16, 2013, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Can I refer the honorable member back to the All-Ireland semi-final of 1996 when we were told to stop whingeing and take our beating... We took our lessons on board, why don't you accept that and do the same, eh?
...'tis the judo tackles throughout the first 65 minutes that annoy me. In the end of the day, if you mind your manners for most of the match, you have the option of slowing up the play in the last 5 minutes to close the game out. That's the nature of most field sports-you can't stop it. Very frustrating if you're on the receiving end-very sensible if not!
Tell me about kid, we had our 3 main men taken out dangerously in 1996, but sure nobbody listen, but, here, we learnt our lesson, and we ignore criticism fron total hypocrites!!!
We weren't sneaky about it though.
None of this jersey-pulling and dragging craic.
Great win for Tyrone. Unexpected.
Dubs missed big guns and good to see the their squad depth get serious runout.
Good win by Tyrone but with Cluxton, McMahon, R O'Carroll, Fitzsimmons, Nolan, McCarthy, A Brogan, B Brogan, C Kilkenny (lasted 30 seconds), O'Gara all to come into that team from yesterday it's looking promising...
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on March 17, 2013, 08:11:25 AM
Good win by Tyrone but with Cluxton, McMahon, R O'Carroll, Fitzsimmons, Nolan, McCarthy, A Brogan, B Brogan, C Kilkenny (lasted 30 seconds), O'Gara all to come into that team from yesterday it's looking promising...
Definitely it's Dubs for Sam alright.
Rip roaring favourites. Tyrone struggled to put away a Dublin team with only about 6 or 7 regulars on the team.
Quote from: orangeman on March 17, 2013, 08:29:29 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on March 17, 2013, 08:11:25 AM
Good win by Tyrone but with Cluxton, McMahon, R O'Carroll, Fitzsimmons, Nolan, McCarthy, A Brogan, B Brogan, C Kilkenny (lasted 30 seconds), O'Gara all to come into that team from yesterday it's looking promising...
Definitely it's Dubs for Sam alright.
Rip roaring favourites. Tyrone struggled to put away a Dublin team with only about 6 or 7 regulars on the team.
Yeah, yeah, sure..
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on March 17, 2013, 08:11:25 AM
Good win by Tyrone but with Cluxton, McMahon, R O'Carroll, Fitzsimmons, Nolan, McCarthy, A Brogan, B Brogan, C Kilkenny (lasted 30 seconds), O'Gara all to come into that team from yesterday it's looking promising...
Any word on Ciaran Kilkenny? He looked to be in quite a lot of pain & very uncomfortable when going off. Hope he's back soon so we get to see the best of him. Think he will be a serious player for you. Impressed with the dubs, they can play at serious tempo even with the wholesale changes, still the team to beat. Stopped our better players at key times like cavanagh & o'neill with some ferocious tackling but can cross the line & foul cynically when needed. Likewise Tyrone had a few experienced men to foul out the pitch late on to slow the play. Overall Tyrone will be happy to get the win & see much improvement from the Cork game although Harte will realise that there's much to be done- particularly our efficiency in attack.
Duffy was ok but still likes the attention. He will always make the dramatic call where he runs 80 yards to call a free against the defender inside but never consistently blows it. Stevie was taking quite a bit of abuse inside but Duffy wasn't interested as he had already given us his oscar winning performance for the night early in the 1st half. Also both teams should have picked up bookings earlier if we ever want to rid the game of some of the nonsense fouling that is rampant.
Jim certainly won't be overly annoyed as his team still fought hard & played some quality football. He was probably right to give Brogan the rest as there was a good chance that Gormley man would have clattered him.
Quote from: TY14ED on March 17, 2013, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on March 17, 2013, 08:11:25 AM
Good win by Tyrone but with Cluxton, McMahon, R O'Carroll, Fitzsimmons, Nolan, McCarthy, A Brogan, B Brogan, C Kilkenny (lasted 30 seconds), O'Gara all to come into that team from yesterday it's looking promising...
Any word on Ciaran Kilkenny? He looked to be in quite a lot of pain & very uncomfortable when going off. Hope he's back soon so we get to see the best of him. Think he will be a serious player for you. Impressed with the dubs, they can play at serious tempo even with the wholesale changes, still the team to beat. Stopped our better players at key times like cavanagh & o'neill with some ferocious tackling but can cross the line & foul cynically when needed. Likewise Tyrone had a few experienced men to foul out the pitch late on to slow the play. Overall Tyrone will be happy to get the win & see much improvement from the Cork game although Harte will realise that there's much to be done- particularly our efficiency in attack.
Duffy was ok but still likes the attention. He will always make the dramatic call where he runs 80 yards to call a free against the defender inside but never consistently blows it. Stevie was taking quite a bit of abuse inside but Duffy wasn't interested as he had already given us his oscar winning performance for the night early in the 1st half. Also both teams should have picked up bookings earlier if we ever want to rid the game of some of the nonsense fouling that is rampant.
Jim certainly won't be overly annoyed as his team still fought hard & played some quality football. He was probably right to give Brogan the rest as there was a good chance that Gormley man would have clattered him.
Christ you talk about it like its to be admired!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 17, 2013, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: TY14ED on March 17, 2013, 09:51:32 AM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on March 17, 2013, 08:11:25 AM
Good win by Tyrone but with Cluxton, McMahon, R O'Carroll, Fitzsimmons, Nolan, McCarthy, A Brogan, B Brogan, C Kilkenny (lasted 30 seconds), O'Gara all to come into that team from yesterday it's looking promising...
Any word on Ciaran Kilkenny? He looked to be in quite a lot of pain & very uncomfortable when going off. Hope he's back soon so we get to see the best of him. Think he will be a serious player for you. Impressed with the dubs, they can play at serious tempo even with the wholesale changes, still the team to beat. Stopped our better players at key times like cavanagh & o'neill with some ferocious tackling but can cross the line & foul cynically when needed. Likewise Tyrone had a few experienced men to foul out the pitch late on to slow the play. Overall Tyrone will be happy to get the win & see much improvement from the Cork game although Harte will realise that there's much to be done- particularly our efficiency in attack.
Duffy was ok but still likes the attention. He will always make the dramatic call where he runs 80 yards to call a free against the defender inside but never consistently blows it. Stevie was taking quite a bit of abuse inside but Duffy wasn't interested as he had already given us his oscar winning performance for the night early in the 1st half. Also both teams should have picked up bookings earlier if we ever want to rid the game of some of the nonsense fouling that is rampant.
Jim certainly won't be overly annoyed as his team still fought hard & played some quality football. He was probably right to give Brogan the rest as there was a good chance that Gormley man would have clattered him.
Christ you talk about it like its to be admired!!
Not my intention at all.
Honestly think Jim Gavin learnt more last night about some of his players than the previous 4 games in the league. Some of the new lads in the backline got a lesson in having to defend on the backfoot and our achilles heel of midfield flared up again when the kickouts were lamped out to them.
Tyrone have improved in the last year or so and will I think cause trouble later in the season.
Finally, Diarmuid Connolly imvho should not take the 45s or any frees off the ground ever again.
Forget about Bernard Brogan.
Stick Cluxton in that team last night and Dublin win.
Kickouts and 45's a disaster.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 17, 2013, 12:34:56 PM
Forget about Bernard Brogan.
Stick Cluxton in that team last night and Dublin win.
Kickouts and 45's a disaster.
Totally agree. Supple's kick outs in the first half were awful. Just chipped the ball out high, leaving it hanging in the air, which made it easy for Tyrone players to run on to & win. Cluxton was also badly missed for the 45's & long range frees as well. Connolly' s efforts were shocking.
Right decision not to use Brogan off the bench as well. Last night was a great test for the new players in the squad to see how they reacted when put under real pressure for the first time. Perfect opportunity to see what is the strength in depth of the panel.
It's also clear why Mickey Harte is so against the new black card rules. Tyrone would have run out of subs by the final whistle for all the cynical fouls in the 2nd half.
As one other poster pointed out, that match should definitely be worth a few votes come congress for the new rules.
Go raibh maith agat heffo, respect. And fcuk you begruders! >:(
To come away from Croke at any time with full points is a massive achievement, very well done Tír Eoghain.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 17, 2013, 12:28:22 AM
Quote from: red hander on March 16, 2013, 11:05:16 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on March 16, 2013, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: red hander on March 16, 2013, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 16, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Something has to change.
These judo tackles in the last few minutes are ridiculous.
Can I refer the honorable member back to the All-Ireland semi-final of 1996 when we were told to stop whingeing and take our beating... We took our lessons on board, why don't you accept that and do the same, eh?
...'tis the judo tackles throughout the first 65 minutes that annoy me. In the end of the day, if you mind your manners for most of the match, you have the option of slowing up the play in the last 5 minutes to close the game out. That's the nature of most field sports-you can't stop it. Very frustrating if you're on the receiving end-very sensible if not!
Tell me about kid, we had our 3 main men taken out dangerously in 1996, but sure nobbody listen, but, here, we learnt our lesson, and we ignore criticism fron total hypocrites!!!
We weren't sneaky about it though.
None of this jersey-pulling and dragging craic.
Would rather have the jersey pulled than the head cleaned off at the shoulders!
No sign of Fuzzman yet??
Must be waiting outside his work to give all the Dubs a ribbing!
Am in Thailand after winning the lotto last night.
Quote from: dublin7 on March 17, 2013, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 17, 2013, 12:34:56 PM
Forget about Bernard Brogan.
Stick Cluxton in that team last night and Dublin win.
Kickouts and 45's a disaster.
Totally agree. Supple's kick outs in the first half were awful. Just chipped the ball out high, leaving it hanging in the air, which made it easy for Tyrone players to run on to & win. Cluxton was also badly missed for the 45's & long range frees as well. Connolly' s efforts were shocking.
Right decision not to use Brogan off the bench as well. Last night was a great test for the new players in the squad to see how they reacted when put under real pressure for the first time. Perfect opportunity to see what is the strength in depth of the panel.
It's also clear why Mickey Harte is so against the new black card rules. Tyrone would have run out of subs by the final whistle for all the cynical fouls in the 2nd half.
As one other poster pointed out, that match should definitely be worth a few votes come congress for the new rules.
Seriuosly?? Tackling no different from both sides. There were a few examples of cynical fouls from Dublin & Tyrone. The pull of the jersey by a Tyrone man stands out because it was late on. But as Senan Connell said every team would do that late in a game. People can't just keep throwing out general comments about Tyrone being cynical when they are no different to any other side. The likes of Brolly is leading the way on this but he has his own agenda. Others shouldn't be so easily led.
Quote from: TY14ED on March 17, 2013, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 17, 2013, 12:53:16 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on March 17, 2013, 12:34:56 PM
Forget about Bernard Brogan.
Stick Cluxton in that team last night and Dublin win.
Kickouts and 45's a disaster.
Totally agree. Supple's kick outs in the first half were awful. Just chipped the ball out high, leaving it hanging in the air, which made it easy for Tyrone players to run on to & win. Cluxton was also badly missed for the 45's & long range frees as well. Connolly' s efforts were shocking.
Right decision not to use Brogan off the bench as well. Last night was a great test for the new players in the squad to see how they reacted when put under real pressure for the first time. Perfect opportunity to see what is the strength in depth of the panel.
It's also clear why Mickey Harte is so against the new black card rules. Tyrone would have run out of subs by the final whistle for all the cynical fouls in the 2nd half.
As one other poster pointed out, that match should definitely be worth a few votes come congress for the new rules.
Seriuosly?? Tackling no different from both sides. There were a few examples of cynical fouls from Dublin & Tyrone. The pull of the jersey by a Tyrone man stands out because it was late on. But as Senan Connell said every team would do that late in a game. People can't just keep throwing out general comments about Tyrone being cynical when they are no different to any other side. The likes of Brolly is leading the way on this but he has his own agenda. Others shouldn't be so easily led.
Wish we could all play pure, clean football like Kerry for example.
Can't say I'm surprised by the outcry of some posters from the more purist style counties on here after this game.
Dublin had only lost one of their last 10 spring series matches and had beaten Tyrone in their last three against the Dubs.
Perhaps it was a bit of the attitude like we had for Donegal but we arrived determined not to be distracted from the job in hand.
Sure, Dublin had out their B team as I had to listen to several times at the end of the game from some rather bad losers behind me but Tyrone stuck to their task well and played some good football themselves.
Dublin do look very slick and probably would have won had they Brogan or Cluxton on. But sure ye can only beat what's in front of ye and whilst we did struggle at times to do this we eventually got there.
We kicked a savage amount of wides in the first half, mainly thanks to the two Cavanagh brothers.
Our full back line was struggling all game with their men and especially McManamon was doing a lot of good work.
Dublin could have had a few goals but for good saves or bad final passes.
For those whinging about the cyncial fouling, if you have on recorded watch how many times Big Sean & Stevie get dragged to the ground and how Gavin thought playing Brennan on Stevie would work I don't know.
My own enjoyment of the game was greatly spoiled by a good few Dublin mouths behind me crying and whinging at every decision and then of course booing loads of other decisions we got.
Of course someone mentioned watch out for the spitting but I resisted a Connolly retort
All in all a good hard battle that both managers will learn a lot from.
Gavin must have known what was coming and was happy to let us new lads get a good taste of the battle we would put up as he knew he could afford to lose this one and learn more from the defeat perhaps.
The Dubs will definitely be a hell of a force later on in the year but they'll have to accept they wont be allowed to as much space every day.
any word on Cavanagh Junior? did he loose teeth last night?
Strange first half where Tyrone kicked some very bad wides but overall I think Gavin will be happy with what he saw from the younger lads last night. As heffo said O'Neill and Cavanagh were outstanding and some of Tyrone's points late on were fantastic but we still created lots of goal chances so I'm not that disappointed - hopefully it might slow down the hype train.
I couldn't care less about the so called cynicism its the grabbing of the face when you're fouled or hit that really gets my goat - that's for Messrs McMahon in particular.
Anyway its only March so plenty of football left for the year
I think Tyrone are really going to struggle in defence this year. Dublin seemed to be able to create a goal chance with so many attacks. We just don't have an All-Ireland standard full back line at the minute - even one player who'll get out in front of his man regularly. How McManamon was able to run the length of the half for that goal was criminal.
Quote from: ONeill on March 17, 2013, 09:07:35 PM
I think Tyrone are really going to struggle in defence this year. Dublin seemed to be able to create a goal chance with so many attacks. We just don't have an All-Ireland standard full back line at the minute - even one player who'll get out in front of his man regularly. How McManamon was able to run the length of the half for that goal was criminal.
Thought McCarron would've been better suited to marking McMenamin, he tries to get a hand in whereas McCrory tends to stand off and try to shadow his man. You can't do that with a direct runner like McMenamin.
I've noticed Mickey seems to give McCrory the job of marking the speedster or danger man. It's like he's hung out to dry every game. No doubt he'll get Seanie Johnston and Darren O'Sullivan in the last two.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger!
Mickey harte is being found out with his tactics and he will be unable to convince people in future that referees are giving out harsh cards to his team. Ulster football in general is hard to watch with far too much fouling :(
Quote from: sbw on March 18, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Mickey harte is being found out with his tactics and he will be unable to convince people in future that referees are giving out harsh cards to his team. Ulster football in general is hard to watch with far too much fouling :(
Mickey Harte has made a very successful career in management by getting his tactics right.
To say that Tyrone football and their winning formula is about fouling is way off the mark.
Quote from: sbw on March 18, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Mickey harte is being found out with his tactics and he will be unable to convince people in future that referees are giving out harsh cards to his team. Ulster football in general is hard to watch with far too much fouling :(
Watch the dublin v Tyrone game again & you will see that Dublin conceded 24 frees & Tyrone conceded 21. There were another 9 tackles from dublin players that some refs may have given as fouls and a further 3 from tyrone that might have been blown on another day. So why continue to slate tyrone about their fouling? As for tactics Dublin play 10-12 men in defence and break at speed like most teams today. I'm not in any way criticising Dublin here but just want to highlight that it seems all too common for journalists & posters here to condemn Tyrone for playing at all. Saturday's game was very enjoyable, played at a high tempo for the time of year, great skills and scores, and competitive until the final whistle. Personally I think both teams deserve mighty credit for it.
Quote from: orangeman on March 18, 2013, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: sbw on March 18, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Mickey harte is being found out with his tactics and he will be unable to convince people in future that referees are giving out harsh cards to his team. Ulster football in general is hard to watch with far too much fouling :(
Mickey Harte has made a very successful career in management by getting his tactics right.
To say that Tyrone football and their winning formula is about fouling is way off the mark.
Tyrone have had much better teams than this current one and fouling was not as clear to be seen as they had better players who played football more and did not need to foul tacticly as often, but now with his weak defence he has changed tactics and is clearly using tactical fouling . it is very hard to watch and supporters paying good money deserve to see better football.
Quote from: sbw on March 18, 2013, 11:22:12 AM
Quote from: orangeman on March 18, 2013, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: sbw on March 18, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Mickey harte is being found out with his tactics and he will be unable to convince people in future that referees are giving out harsh cards to his team. Ulster football in general is hard to watch with far too much fouling :(
Mickey Harte has made a very successful career in management by getting his tactics right.
To say that Tyrone football and their winning formula is about fouling is way off the mark.
Tyrone have had much better teams than this current one and fouling was not as clear to be seen as they had better players who played football more and did not need to foul tacticly as often, but now with his weak defence he has changed tactics and is clearly using tactical fouling . it is very hard to watch and supporters paying good money deserve to see better football.
Yes we have had better teams than this current one who have yet to prove themselves. But can you address the point that Dublin conceded 24 frees during Saturday nights game as opposed to the 21 that Tyrone conceded. You haven't gone on a rant about the dubs tactics.
i watched the game and the fouling by tyrone was much more tactical than dublin towards the end and my point is that it was not only me who will have noticed this and i am sure in future when mickey decides to try and abuse his position within a newspaper less people will buy into what he writes/says.
Do Tg4 repeat games during the week that were shown on Setanta the previous weekend? Or is my imagination playing tricks on me?
Quote from: sbw on March 18, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
i watched the game and the fouling by tyrone was much more tactical than dublin towards the end and my point is that it was not only me who will have noticed this and i am sure in future when mickey decides to try and abuse his position within a newspaper less people will buy into what he writes/says.
Shock, horror! Team uses tactical fouling towards end of game-rules must change!
Donegal must be loving all this nonsense. .
Whether it was Tyrone committing these so called 'tactical' fouls or Mayo last Sept or whoever it will become a cancer on the game if not addressed. It might have been there to a degree in years gone by but what is being seen now is a new low in team tactics and means blatant cynicism is being rewarded. It needs to be stopped end of! Unfortunately this black card proposal is a shambles and won't get through. As was apparent several years ago the rugby yellow card option is the only real solution!!
Would be interesting to get a no holes barred interview with Sean Cavanagh on how he is targeted with cynical fouling for the past 5 years.
Armagh and Longford a few weeks ago was good fun.
Derry and Longford game seems to have been tasty as well. Longford seem to have gained valuable lessons from the Armagh game.
Getting used to big Tyrone victories being followed up by calls for rule changes. Spillane will be preparing a list of catchphrases for the summer, to sum up this 'premeditated' evil of tactical fouling and people will run with it for around ten years or so! I'd say the likes of Limerick would look at the game against Kildare last year and wish they had adopted a more cynical approach in the final minutes of that game.
The rugby yellow card rule is an interesting concept, however, a fella pulling a jersey at the start of a game will probably get off with it whereas at the end of the game, he wouldn't-this would introduce more ambiguity into the game in my opinion and the poor oul refs will get dog's abuse.
Quote from: Whishtup on March 18, 2013, 10:45:51 PM
Getting used to big Tyrone victories being followed up by calls for rule changes. Spillane will be preparing a list of catchphrases for the summer, to sum up this 'premeditated' evil of tactical fouling and people will run with it for around ten years or so! I'd say the likes of Limerick would look at the game against Kildare last year and wish they had adopted a more cynical approach in the final minutes of that game.
The rugby yellow card rule is an interesting concept, however, a fella pulling a jersey at the start of a game will probably get off with it whereas at the end of the game, he wouldn't-this would introduce more ambiguity into the game in my opinion and the poor oul refs will get dog's abuse.
Don't buy that. It works in rugby without any problem. Would work in football too if it was introduced.
Quote from: The Trap on March 15, 2013, 11:25:17 AM
If that Tyrone team gets within 7/8 points i will be very surprised. The Errigle bias continues............pity there are none like Canavan though!!!!
The gool old "Errigle" bias didn't effect us too badly.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 18, 2013, 10:03:41 PM
Would be interesting to get a no holes barred interview with Sean Cavanagh on how he is targeted with cynical fouling for the past 5 years.
You'd enjoy that I'd say. ;D
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 18, 2013, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: The Trap on March 15, 2013, 11:25:17 AM
If that Tyrone team gets within 7/8 points i will be very surprised. The Errigle bias continues............pity there are none like Canavan though!!!!
The gool old "Errigle" bias didn't effect us too badly.
In fairness the errigal contingent were all very poor on saturday. Mc crory skint for every ball, mc ginley pulled out of two challenges and generally just ran about the place aimlessly. Harte was also very quiet again, is he just not allowed to be subbed?
Same team will play v Kildare I'd imagine
Quote from: rrhf on March 19, 2013, 05:49:48 AM
Same team will play v Kildare I'd imagine
Anyone know how bad Colm Cavanagh's facial injury?
Could Plunkett Kane be pushing for a start after his two point salvo?
Good win for Tyrone, Dublin missing a few but I suppose so were Tyrone. Tyrone had a few new faces playing that wouldn't havce been there last year too.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 19, 2013, 07:18:23 AM
Quote from: rrhf on March 19, 2013, 05:49:48 AM
Same team will play v Kildare I'd imagine
Anyone know how bad Colm Cavanagh's facial injury?
Could Plunkett Kane be pushing for a start after his two point salvo?
Plunkett Kane must be pushing Mattie Donnelly very hard for a place at 10 or 12. Personally I dont think Kane is big enough to play Midfield at Intercounty level but he could make a a very good wing forward.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 18, 2013, 10:03:41 PM
Would be interesting to get a no holes barred interview with Sean Cavanagh on how he is targeted with cynical fouling for the past 5 years.
No it wouldn't...
Tyrone against Donegal is going to be massive i think the 2 teams are much closer than some think and it is the standout game of the championship 1st round.
Quote from: Jinxy on March 19, 2013, 12:01:26 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 18, 2013, 10:03:41 PM
Would be interesting to get a no holes barred interview with Sean Cavanagh on how he is targeted with cynical fouling for the past 5 years.
You'd enjoy that I'd say. ;D
Kinky, Jinxy! :D
Yeah that would make my whole week Jinxy.
Jinxy, would you have any memories of Meath being a tad cynical during the 80's and 90's?
Always great to beat the Dubs in Croke Park and it means a semi final place is likely. It still shows how tough its going to be to beat them later in the year considering the players they were missing. Tyrone were missing a few though certainly not to the same extent. I'd say if Tyrone are to win the league this year they'll have to beat the Dubs again. Would love to get the chance in a final with their full team out. Its obvious these games are doing far more benefit for Tyrone this year than last years league. Hoping this will be proved come championship.
Was disappointed with McCrory, was glad he wasn't marking Brogan. I've said it a few times now but he really has to start putting more pressure on opponents. Giving up possession and shadowing them at this level isn't enough. I've never been convinced with McCarron at corner back but thought he was very good. Hoping Justy's injury wasn't too serious. If Tyrone could get him properly fit this year would make a big differnece in defence.
Midfield was certainly improved at the weekend. Colm just needs to learn when to pass and improve his own efficiency but he did work very hard. Thought Harte was ok though still has more to offer. The 2 half forwards were quiet. Penrose did ok. Donnelly was our best player and never stopped working. O'Neill is putting in a decent campaign and hopefully can lead to bigger things in the summer.
All in all despite the gloom from some posters last week the season has started off well.
I'd buy into a fair bit of that, we scored 18 points in croke park v the dubs although then reality bites and you factor in that it was against a duff Dublin team on half battery. I'll take the win, I think we are punching above our weight but the lads are definitely giving their all.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 19, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
Yeah that would make my whole week Jinxy.
Jinxy, would you have any memories of Meath being a tad cynical during the 80's and 90's?
If anything we weren't cynical enough.
Meant to say Kane fairly made an impression coming on. 2 great points. Is he even left footed? Maybe he'll get a start this week. He was quiet in the Mayo game but maybe he'll get confidence from this to drive on and prove he can do it from the start.
Overall mcCarron had an ok game but his passing was atrocious.
He gave the ball away virtually every time he got his hands on it in the last 10 especially.
Absolute cute hoorism by Gavin. Puts out a 70% team and is in a complete no lose situation. Found it a touch arrogant tbh.
Lack of a shut down corner will cause us big problems later in the summer.
Quote from: tyroneman on March 20, 2013, 06:58:13 AM
Overall mcCarron had an ok game but his passing was atrocious.
He gave the ball away virtually every time he got his hands on it in the last 10 especially.
Absolute cute hoorism by Gavin. Puts out a 70% team and is in a complete no lose situation. Found it a touch arrogant tbh.
Don't think we were anywhere near 70% but take your point.
Bernard Brogan had played nearly every minute of every game inc railyway cup since January - he needed a rest.
Injuries forced some changes. New lads needed to be tested.
Some counties play their championship team in the O'Byrne cup - all options need to be examined.
The result for Dublin on Saturday means nothing, barring an incredible sequence of results they're in the semi-final either way.
Quote from: tyroneman on March 20, 2013, 06:58:13 AM
Overall mcCarron had an ok game but his passing was atrocious.
He gave the ball away virtually every time he got his hands on it in the last 10 especially.
Absolute cute hoorism by Gavin. Puts out a 70% team and is in a complete no lose situation. Found it a touch arrogant tbh.
Lack of a shut down corner will cause us big problems later in the summer.
I thought McCarron was very good and a genuine contender for MOTM alongside Gormley, Cavanagh & ONeill. He was out in front of his man & won his personal battle hands down. Distribution was decent overall, but there were one or two times where it let him down when he was put under P from the dubs. I think he's much better suited in the corner than in the half back line though. McCrory had a tough night alright, but it must be pointed out he was given the tougher task of the two corner backs.
I agree with you though - the lack of a specialist man marker is a real area of concern. I think we have the men like the McMahons & Conor Clarke who can be expected to compete well with the aerial / muscular type forwards like Michael Murphy & Kieran Donaghy.
I just worry how we will handle the nippy pacy / direct runner types a la Jamie Clarke, Seanie Johnston, Gooch...
Why was Dean McNally omitted from the panel? He was a young fella id hoped over the next 18months or whatever could have developed well and being given that task. Looked good at full back last year for the U21s. Strange one.
I am more disappointed at the fact that Coney is injured again as I would liked to have seen him, Ronan O'Neill, McAliskey, Lafferty or McCurry getting more game time because these are the new forwards coming through who are deadly in front of goal and have bags of pace. Our forward line at the weekend lacks that bit of speed and goal threat. As mentioned, we are seriously lacking good sticky man markers.
I would imagine both Mickey and Mr Gavin were keen to make it to the semifinals and so with talk of a few niggly injuries to O'Carroll & Brogan I'd say it was the perfect time for him to give a few guys a rest whilst testing a few others against a team that he knew would be a wakeup call for a lot of the new faces. To me it was a smart call by Gavin and one that I wish we'd see Mickey do more of the odd time though we are in a different place than the Dubs.
As Nrico says, it would have been nice to see a bit more of Ronan, McCurry etc though maybe there are injury worries there as well.
Penrose certainly seems to be not putting in the same effort that he used to.
How did people think Block is doing at FB?
Anyone know where I could find highlights of this game? No GAA 2013 on TG4 this week.
I downloaded an app on the iphone there, its an offical GAA one - "just play"
Cost me £0.69 but every Tuesday you get highlights of each game. Only 6 or 7 mins highlights on Tyrone / Dublin match right enough, but I would still recommend it.
Quote from: God14 on March 20, 2013, 11:45:09 AM
I downloaded an app on the iphone there, its an offical GAA one - "just play"
Cost me £0.69 but every Tuesday you get highlights of each game. Only 6 or 7 mins highlights on Tyrone / Dublin match right enough, but I would still recommend it.
Im on android and doesn't appear to be available, feck it.
Have you got Ustream Omagh Gael ? If you search for gaa national league 2013, they have all the games that have been played on Telly on that site. Tyrone vs donegal is there plus the down game, the Dublin game should appear this weekend.
Just one point as I listen to the donegal Tyrone u21 game just wondering what others views are on it. Paddy mcbrearty is giving a master Class in Omagh tonight - however Dean McNally Kildress never let him score from play last year in u21's . Now this is the only player who Harte dropped from the squad this year and from what I watched on sat night it's disappointing for a lad that age to watch two corner backs roasted.
I don't believe McCrory is good enough and unfortunately Gormley is past it!
I just can't understand why Harte would drop him - Kildress siege mentally is at a high point again! Lol
I don't believe Gormley is past it, however you make a great point about Dean McNally. I was actually thinkin about him earlier and posted on another thread. Why was he dropped when no one else was?
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 20, 2013, 08:09:08 PM
Have you got Ustream Omagh Gael ? If you search for gaa national league 2013, they have all the games that have been played on Telly on that site. Tyrone vs donegal is there plus the down game, the Dublin game should appear this weekend.
Downloaded the app there but the search is saying no results found for gaa national league 2013 :(
Quote from: God14 on March 20, 2013, 09:26:34 PM
I don't believe Gormley is past it, however you make a great point about Dean McNally. I was actually thinkin about him earlier and posted on another thread. Why was he dropped when no one else was?
I think he was taken off before half time in his last game. Mickey doesn't seem to rate him atall. Pity, as we've no corner backs as it stands. McCarron and McCrory have yet to convince they'll cut the mustard at the top level.
anyone know the story of the injury to Junior cavanagh?
Quote from: Radda bout yeee on March 20, 2013, 09:19:32 PM
Just one point as I listen to the donegal Tyrone u21 game just wondering what others views are on it. Paddy mcbrearty is giving a master Class in Omagh tonight - however Dean McNally Kildress never let him score from play last year in u21's . Now this is the only player who Harte dropped from the squad this year and from what I watched on sat night it's disappointing for a lad that age to watch two corner backs roasted.
I don't believe McCrory is good enough and unfortunately Gormley is past it!
I just can't understand why Harte would drop him - Kildress siege mentally is at a high point again! Lol
Was Dean not carrying an injury and let go. I have to agree with you that Mc Nally IMO is a v good man marker, with pace and power. McCrory isn't good enough and if was from another club I don't think he would be there or more acturately have been the time and chances he has had. Any time that he has been asked to man mark he has got cleaned out, but in a team that has 12 players behind the ball, with all the protection in the world, you should not be getting roasted.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 20, 2013, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 20, 2013, 08:09:08 PM
Have you got Ustream Omagh Gael ? If you search for gaa national league 2013, they have all the games that have been played on Telly on that site. Tyrone vs donegal is there plus the down game, the Dublin game should appear this weekend.
Downloaded the app there but the search is saying no results found for gaa national league 2013 :(
Search national league then hit the recent tag. I just did it and worked. Premium sports is the channel
On the phone it's not the recent tag but just scroll over to videos after search.
Quote from: God14 on March 20, 2013, 11:45:09 AM
I downloaded an app on the iphone there, its an offical GAA one - "just play"
Cost me £0.69 but every Tuesday you get highlights of each game. Only 6 or 7 mins highlights on Tyrone / Dublin match right enough, but I would still recommend it.
Thanks or that, good job that, works well on the i-pad too, even though you have to download it as a phone app.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2013, 07:02:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 20, 2013, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 20, 2013, 08:09:08 PM
Have you got Ustream Omagh Gael ? If you search for gaa national league 2013, they have all the games that have been played on Telly on that site. Tyrone vs donegal is there plus the down game, the Dublin game should appear this weekend.
Downloaded the app there but the search is saying no results found for gaa national league 2013 :(
Search national league then hit the recent tag. I just did it and worked. Premium sports is the channel
Cheers Carmen. Have just finished watching the whole game. Great quality too.
Class. Thank you.