The Many Faces of US Politics...

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Gabriel_Hurl

Quote from: whitey on March 24, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2020, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Trump wants the US "raring to go by Easter".

Deluded.
There is no way he can get reelected

LOL-that's what people said in 2016 (minus "re")

If 1/2 of what is being said is true about what the Democrats tried to slip into the stimulus Bill, then they just handed Trump around 5 points in November

Is it more funding for prison sex-change operations? That's one particular thing you seem very interested in.

J70

#15421
As Trump sidelines medical and public health expertise and bullshits about "opening up" the country, they issue an alert that anyone leaving or having recently left NYC immediately self quarantine for two weeks.

Shit is going to get really bad here, but it's not stopping at the N.Y. metropolitan area borders.

Better hope you don't need one of those elusive ventilators.

whitey

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 24, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2020, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Trump wants the US "raring to go by Easter".

Deluded.
There is no way he can get reelected

LOL-that's what people said in 2016 (minus "re")

If 1/2 of what is being said is true about what the Democrats tried to slip into the stimulus Bill, then they just handed Trump around 5 points in November

Is it more funding for prison sex-change operations? That's one particular thing you seem very interested in.

https://youtu.be/JtPQQjj01kM

whitey

Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2020, 01:06:56 AM
As Trump sidelines medical and public health expertise and bullshits about "opening up" the country, they issue an alert that anyone leaving or having recently left NYC immediately self quarantine for two weeks.

Shit is going to get really bad here, but it's not stopping at the N.Y. metropolitan area borders.

Better hope you don't need one of those elusive ventilators.

Plenty of blame to go around

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html

J70

Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:24:55 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2020, 01:06:56 AM
As Trump sidelines medical and public health expertise and bullshits about "opening up" the country, they issue an alert that anyone leaving or having recently left NYC immediately self quarantine for two weeks.

Shit is going to get really bad here, but it's not stopping at the N.Y. metropolitan area borders.

Better hope you don't need one of those elusive ventilators.

Plenty of blame to go around

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html

No doubt. And an issue that is being and will be repeated all over, not just in NY. Which makes it all the more urgent for Trump to get his shit together and use the powers he unlocked with so much fanfare to get a coordinated federal response to this problem in place, rather than having states compete against each other and other countries for supplies. Might be too late, in terms of the next couple of months, for NY, but this shit is going to hit all over.

As an aside, hopefully an outcome of all this will be a bit more willingness on behalf of politicians and citizens to better plan for the future, whether its disaster preparedness or climate change or conservation or whatever. That, and a proper appreciation for expertise and science.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2020, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:24:55 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2020, 01:06:56 AM
As Trump sidelines medical and public health expertise and bullshits about "opening up" the country, they issue an alert that anyone leaving or having recently left NYC immediately self quarantine for two weeks.

Shit is going to get really bad here, but it's not stopping at the N.Y. metropolitan area borders.

Better hope you don't need one of those elusive ventilators.

Plenty of blame to go around

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/03/18/new_yorks_ventilator_rationing_plan_142685.html

No doubt. And an issue that is being and will be repeated all over, not just in NY. Which makes it all the more urgent for Trump to get his shit together and use the powers he unlocked with so much fanfare to get a coordinated federal response to this problem in place, rather than having states compete against each other and other countries for supplies. Might be too late, in terms of the next couple of months, for NY, but this shit is going to hit all over.

As an aside, hopefully an outcome of all this will be a bit more willingness on behalf of politicians and citizens to better plan for the future, whether its disaster preparedness or climate change or conservation or whatever. That, and a proper appreciation for expertise and science.

It was known back in early February that this was going to be as bad as it is

Trump didn't take the action then that he should have taken because he knew the consequences for the economy (and his re election) would be dire

I don't know what the Democrats were up to during this time frame.....they sit on the same committees and have access to (pretty much) all of the same information

DeBlasio trying to lay ALL this at Trumps door is ridiculous. I knew there was more to the story when Cuomo wasn't going all in on Trump

J70

You mean the same Democrats who Trump and the right were, until little over a week ago, accusing of hyping up the danger and creating a new "hoax" to tank the market and finally get Trump?
As for Cuomo, he has been superb through all of this. A proper leader in a difficult time, like Guiliani was before him after 9/11 (let's hope he doesn't disgrace himself later like Giuliani did). For now, Cuomo needs Trump. I'd say that has been the primary reason for not going too hard on him. As the daily briefings currently exhibit (Pence, if he has an ounce of dignity and self-awareness, must die a little inside during each press conference), you have to bow down and flatter, publicly, to get anywhere with Trump. The Times published a long article on the ventilator issue more than a week ago. If Trump wants to fall back on the findings of a long-standing state health committee that produced the 2015 analysis, let him, but that does not excuse his performance to date. What will he do when its a Republican governor with the same problem? Its not like it hasn't been a widespread issue.
DeBlasio - I'm not sure how many pay attention to anything he says. Like Trump, he has been completely upstaged by Cuomo, again, and became irrelevant when Cuomo made him finally shut the schools.

whitey

Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
You mean the same Democrats who Trump and the right were, until little over a week ago, accusing of hyping up the danger and creating a new "hoax" to tank the market and finally get Trump?
As for Cuomo, he has been superb through all of this. A proper leader in a difficult time, like Guiliani was before him after 9/11 (let's hope he doesn't disgrace himself later like Giuliani did). For now, Cuomo needs Trump. I'd say that has been the primary reason for not going too hard on him. As the daily briefings currently exhibit (Pence, if he has an ounce of dignity and self-awareness, must die a little inside during each press conference), you have to bow down and flatter, publicly, to get anywhere with Trump. The Times published a long article on the ventilator issue more than a week ago. If Trump wants to fall back on the findings of a long-standing state health committee that produced the 2015 analysis, let him, but that does not excuse his performance to date. What will he do when its a Republican governor with the same problem? Its not like it hasn't been a widespread issue.
DeBlasio - I'm not sure how many pay attention to anything he says. Like Trump, he has been completely upstaged by Cuomo, again, and became irrelevant when Cuomo made him finally shut the schools.

Trump fvcked this up royally, but the Democrats are playing right into his hands by continually blaming him for $hit that was/is outside his control.

DeBlasio and the ventilators is just the best example where Trump can throw it right back at them with spades

"It's a lot of money but less than the $750 million he threw away on a boondoggle "Buffalo Billion" solar panel factory"-per the Politico article

J70

Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
You mean the same Democrats who Trump and the right were, until little over a week ago, accusing of hyping up the danger and creating a new "hoax" to tank the market and finally get Trump?
As for Cuomo, he has been superb through all of this. A proper leader in a difficult time, like Guiliani was before him after 9/11 (let's hope he doesn't disgrace himself later like Giuliani did). For now, Cuomo needs Trump. I'd say that has been the primary reason for not going too hard on him. As the daily briefings currently exhibit (Pence, if he has an ounce of dignity and self-awareness, must die a little inside during each press conference), you have to bow down and flatter, publicly, to get anywhere with Trump. The Times published a long article on the ventilator issue more than a week ago. If Trump wants to fall back on the findings of a long-standing state health committee that produced the 2015 analysis, let him, but that does not excuse his performance to date. What will he do when its a Republican governor with the same problem? Its not like it hasn't been a widespread issue.
DeBlasio - I'm not sure how many pay attention to anything he says. Like Trump, he has been completely upstaged by Cuomo, again, and became irrelevant when Cuomo made him finally shut the schools.

Trump fvcked this up royally, but the Democrats are playing right into his hands by continually blaming him for $hit that was/is outside his control.

DeBlasio and the ventilators is just the best example where Trump can throw it right back at them with spades

"It's a lot of money but less than the $750 million he threw away on a boondoggle "Buffalo Billion" solar panel factory"-per the Politico article

Which is why DeBlasio should shut the f**k up on this issue and leave it to smarter, calmer heads like Cuomo and Newsome and, on the GOP side DeWine.

Gabriel_Hurl

Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 24, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2020, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Trump wants the US "raring to go by Easter".

Deluded.
There is no way he can get reelected

LOL-that's what people said in 2016 (minus "re")

If 1/2 of what is being said is true about what the Democrats tried to slip into the stimulus Bill, then they just handed Trump around 5 points in November

Is it more funding for prison sex-change operations? That's one particular thing you seem very interested in.

https://youtu.be/JtPQQjj01kM

Bill Maher is getting more funding? Why?

whitey

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 24, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2020, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Trump wants the US "raring to go by Easter".

Deluded.
There is no way he can get reelected

LOL-that's what people said in 2016 (minus "re")

If 1/2 of what is being said is true about what the Democrats tried to slip into the stimulus Bill, then they just handed Trump around 5 points in November

Is it more funding for prison sex-change operations? That's one particular thing you seem very interested in.

https://youtu.be/JtPQQjj01kM

Bill Maher is getting more funding? Why?

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a ridiculous policy position to have

Captain Obvious

Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2020, 07:36:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 24, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
Trump wants the US "raring to go by Easter".

Deluded.
There is no way he can get reelected
No way? Every chance he will get re-elected. America is full of buffoons like Trump let's not forget.

Gabriel_Hurl

Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:07:09 PM

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a ridiculous policy position to have

I didn't realise people still cared about what Bill Maher has to say

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:07:09 PM

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a ridiculous policy position to have

I didn't realise people still cared about what Bill Maher has to say

Maher hasn't a clue about a lot of things on certain topics. Palestine, medicine (he's an anti-vaxxer), the value of blue sky research and space exploration, etc..

Gmac

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 25, 2020, 07:22:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 25, 2020, 07:07:09 PM

I'm not the only one who thinks it's a ridiculous policy position to have

I didn't realise people still cared about what Bill Maher has to say
the sheep in the crowd liked it but if he quoted warrens talking points they would probably cheer too. Sad