FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[themac_23]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

[thewobbler]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

I can see the point you're making. But if the job is to set up a team of limited footballers to play godawful territorial football, then there's no need to pay the price tag that comes with O'Neill.

[From the Bunker]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

[snoopdog]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

And it's been brilliant ever since.?

[michaelg]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

And it's been brilliant ever since.?

Perhaps not terribly relevant at present, but is the Aviva too big for games against the likes of Finland?

[GiveItToTheShooters]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

And it's been brilliant ever since.?

Perhaps not terribly relevant at present, but is the Aviva too big for games against the likes of Finland?

Size of the stadium is not terribly relevant at present. That's where Ireland play.

[From the Bunker]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

And it's been brilliant ever since.?

Perhaps not terribly relevant at present, but is the Aviva too big for games against the likes of Finland?

Where would you suggest?

[weareros]

Was the big Norway lad a Usain Bolt style sprinter or was Cathart as slow as a gammy legged  old farmer for Norway's 4th. As bad as we are....

[michaelg]

Was the big Norway lad a Usain Bolt style sprinter or was Cathart as slow as a gammy legged  old farmer for Norway's 4th. As bad as we are....

Definitely looked a yard or two off the pace.  Michael Smith of Hearts made him look like Beckenbaur though.  Baraclough looks massively out of his depth.

[Baile Brigín 2]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

O'Neill was there a campaign too long, as were Charlton and Trap. He was earning too much to justify.

Kenny is already getting it tight from the media, especially those close to McCarthy.

I think Kenny will flop, but you can't not understand why he got the job. Take any country where most national team players play abroad. Do you think there is any debate in France, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Belgium, Scotland, Serbia, Croatia and so on about appointing a successful domestic manager?

He has the bonus of being seen as a genuine reformer at a time that is needed.

[dublin7]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

O'Neill was a fine manager in the late 90' early 2000's. Unfortunately for him the game has evolved since then and he didn't. The level of apathy towards the Irish football team and the style of football they've played in recent years is as bada as I can ever remember.

Kenny's teams have always tried to play football. Ireland are not a good side, but if he can make them watchable and reasonably competitive that's good enough for me. It won't happen overnight but at least he's going with younger players and looking to the future rather than the short term planning that has got Ireland in the mess their in. Picking the likes of Glenn Whelan would be a backward step at this stage

[seafoid]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

O'Neill was a fine manager in the late 90' early 2000's. Unfortunately for him the game has evolved since then and he didn't. The level of apathy towards the Irish football team and the style of football they've played in recent years is as bada as I can ever remember.

Kenny's teams have always tried to play football. Ireland are not a good side, but if he can make them watchable and reasonably competitive that's good enough for me. It won't happen overnight but at least he's going with younger players and looking to the future rather than the short term planning that has got Ireland in the mess their in. Picking the likes of Glenn Whelan would be a backward step at this stage

It's going to take time. The big risk is that the players don't buy into it. If it works out it will be a big step forward. Ireland have been in a holding pattern for far too long.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

It's really not looking good at the moment. People seem to forget that these nations league games are important not only for ranking points and seedings for qualifying but also as a back door for qualifying but we seem happy just messing around. It's great we have more possession under Kenny but we are as hopeless upfront as always and if anything are defense is even worse. The other big problem is the granny rule players are drying up and most of those that do qualify and haven't a hope of playing for England still have zero interest declaring for us(bamford, Redmond etc)

[Baile Brigín 2]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

O'Neill was a fine manager in the late 90' early 2000's. Unfortunately for him the game has evolved since then and he didn't. The level of apathy towards the Irish football team and the style of football they've played in recent years is as bada as I can ever remember.

Kenny's teams have always tried to play football. Ireland are not a good side, but if he can make them watchable and reasonably competitive that's good enough for me. It won't happen overnight but at least he's going with younger players and looking to the future rather than the short term planning that has got Ireland in the mess their in. Picking the likes of Glenn Whelan would be a backward step at this stage

It's going to take time. The big risk is that the players don't buy into it. If it works out it will be a big step forward. Ireland have been in a holding pattern for far too long.

If they don't buy into it he will get rid of them. He does have an advantage in not having any undroppable players.

[thewobbler]

I was pretty p*ssed about how the media hounded O'Neill at the end, every thing he done was scrutinised and especially them clowns on sports joe.ie hammered everything he done, a man who as a player won European cups, as a manager won trophies in Scotland and England but the media wanted a manger who failed with Dunfermline? I have no axe to grind with Stephen Kenny and genuinely hope he does well but the fawning over him was a head scratched and il be interested to see if he gets the same treatment as Mccarthy and O'Neill if things don't go well

To be fair O'Neill ran out of ideas. We were so poor at the end of his reign, hardly anyone was going to games in the Aviva. I have good time for O'Neill, but he had outstayed his welcome and it got a bit embarrassing at the end.

O'Neill was a fine manager in the late 90' early 2000's. Unfortunately for him the game has evolved since then and he didn't. The level of apathy towards the Irish football team and the style of football they've played in recent years is as bada as I can ever remember.

Kenny's teams have always tried to play football. Ireland are not a good side, but if he can make them watchable and reasonably competitive that's good enough for me. It won't happen overnight but at least he's going with younger players and looking to the future rather than the short term planning that has got Ireland in the mess their in. Picking the likes of Glenn Whelan would be a backward step at this stage

I always chuckle when a "the game has evolved since then" comment is thrown in about football.

Any professional manager who builds his tactics around trends in the game, rather than personnel available, won't make six months in a post.

Truth is, territorial football doesn't work as well unless you have at least one strong ball-winning centre forward, and defenders with a semi-accurate long ball. Without those tools you're basically playing for 0-0.

Before too long another Niall Quinn-Steve Staunton-Denis Irwin combo will appear somewhere in Europe, and that team will play effective direct football. And the circle of evolution will be complete.