ROSCOMMON Club wins Mayo Championship

[spectator]

Is Mayo the only county where people don't appear to understand maps? There seems to be awful confusion as to wheather you live in Mayo or Sligo/Roscommon.

Interestingly, there's no confusion for the Mayo folks about what county Ballagh is in, when it comes to requesting lottery funded sports capital grants, which have been ear marked for use in County Roscommon.

Ballagh GAA were allotted €160,000 to develop their facilities last year, which came from the County Roscommon Allocation of the fund.

One or two Ros GAA clubs were displeased with this as they felt they deserved it more, by dint of actually playing their club football in Ros, thus better benefitting Ros as is the intention of the Ros Allocated funds.

To their credit, the Rossie politicians did lobby J O'D on behalf of Ballagh GAA to secure the €160, 000 grant they requested.

That's something for the Mayo County Board & gaels to ruminate on, as they continue to deny Ballagh Rossies the choice of playing for the county they were born, bred & are all living in.

It's breathtakingly hypocritical to take the Ros allotted monies with one hand, whilst holding the other one up to stop Ballagh Rossies playing with Ros, imo.


http://www.shannonside.ie/sNews14/home/Sport/


Nationally over €85 million euro is being awarded by Sports Minister John O Donaghue to sporting and community organsiations throughout the country.

The full county by county listings are as follows....

Roscommon Lottery Grants

Bealnamulla Sports Club €175,000

Ballaghaderreen GAA Club €160,000

Roscommon & District Football

League Limited €150,000

Ballaghaderreen Community

Park Co. Ltd €140,000

St. Brigid's Sports Club €120,000

Strokestown GAA Club €120,000

St. John's Athletic FC €100,000

Kilmore GAA Club €80,000

Tisara Community Sports Park €80,000

Roscommon Gaels GAA Club €75,000

Castlera Celtic A.F.C €70,000

Lough Harps Football Club €70,000

St. Dominic's GAA Club,

Knockcroghery €25,000

Boyle Celtic F.C €15,000

St. Ronan's GAA Club €15,000

Total €1,395,000

[spectator]

Roscommon
Senior All-Irelands 2
Minor All-Irelands 1
U-21 All-Irelands 0?

Roscommon

Senior All-Irelands  2
Minor All-Irelands  4
U-21 All-Irelands  2

[muppet]

Interestingly, there's no confusion for the Mayo folks about what county Ballagh is in, when it comes to requesting lottery funded sports capital grants, which have been ear marked for use in County Roscommon.

Ballagh GAA were allotted €160,000 to develop their facilities last year, which came from the County Roscommon Allocation of the fund.

Spectator you need to think that line of thinking through fully.

If you insist that the National Lottery Funding for Ballagh Gaa should come from the Mayo County allocation from the National Lottery Fund then fine. But expect an immediate border change, consitituency redraw and uproar from all the newly displaced Rossies surrounding the enclave.

This is pretty simple. The Gaa boundaries are different from the local and national government ones. If you want that to change fair enough. You can start up North.

[moysider]

Something ive always wondered, who and how did all the county borders come about? Anyone know any history about it?

Like a lot of things in this country, counties are something we have the English to thank for. Well not really the English - the Anglo Normans - many of whom would be still speaking French when they landed. So the earliest counties go back to the 12/13 th centuries. These were in Munster and Leinster where the Normans settled and controlled. Landowning Normans petitioned the king to grant them permission to allow them to define the boundaries of their lands for administrative reasons. Government officials like sherriifs were then appointed to ensure law and order. The counties of Connacht were not defined until Elizabethan times[1580s]. By then the Anglican reformation had kicked in and Her Majesties administration in Ireland was beginning to assume more control in the dark provinces of Connacht and Ulster. Surveying and cartography was now well advanced and accurate and boundaries became clearly defined.

Some boundaries were later redrawn for reasons already outlined and places like Ballagh, Bonnyconlon and Ardnaree jumped from one county to another, or as is the case of Ballagh pushed.. While Bonny and Ardnaree became 'more Mayo than the Mayos themselves' the poor Ballaghs could not suffer being annexed from where they belonged and loved. In order to console themselves they kept the only part of their previous life they could- their connection to Mayo football. This umbilical cord has never being severed.

Originally the idea probably came from the continent where a county was the area under the authority of a Count [Compté in France where our lot came from] In Ireland these were called Earls, when Gaelic lords were granted English titles. Hence Hugh O Neill became Earl of Tyrone. Counties had sub - divisions called baronies. A Baron again being a title of a notable landowner.

[moysider]

 
The following map from circa 1940 clearly shows Ballaghadereen within the Mayo area.

[rosnarun]

Something ive always wondered, who and how did all the county borders come about? Anyone know any history about it?

define alway
bet it never crossed your mind till you heard of parsons.
never current country boundries .Polititions are forever changing thes lgood example being just there in 1889.
the parish is the bed rock of the gaa and its what ever county board that a parish is affiliated to that decides what GAA county its in.

[muppet]

Something ive always wondered, who and how did all the county borders come about? Anyone know any history about it?

define alway
bet it never crossed your mind till you heard of parsons.
never current country boundries .Polititions are forever changing thes lgood example being just there in 1889.
the parish is the bed rock of the gaa and its what ever county board that a parish is affiliated to that decides what GAA county its in.

Limerick extended it's city boundaries this years and hope to further extend them into Co. Clare.

The Clare locals say no way but even if it happens would you expect the Gaa to redraw it's boundaries to suit Limerick city council?

[SLIGONIAN]

Something ive always wondered, who and how did all the county borders come about? Anyone know any history about it?

define alway
bet it never crossed your mind till you heard of parsons.
never current country boundries .Polititions are forever changing thes lgood example being just there in 1889.
the parish is the bed rock of the gaa and its what ever county board that a parish is affiliated to that decides what GAA county its in.

You can think what you want, rosnarun but you would lose that bet, ive have always wondered, thanks moysider for the info. Rememeber bellaghy is in sligos border so the boundary isnt the problem.

[Rossfan]

Roscommon
Senior All-Irelands 2
Minor All-Irelands 1
U-21 All-Irelands 0?

Roscommon

Senior All-Irelands  2
Minor All-Irelands  4
U-21 All-Irelands  2

Junior All  Irelands 2
Hurling all Irelands - lorry loads
Handball All Irelands --  far too many to count.

[thebandit]

Something ive always wondered, who and how did all the county borders come about? Anyone know any history about it?

define alway
bet it never crossed your mind till you heard of parsons.
never current country boundries .Polititions are forever changing thes lgood example being just there in 1889.
the parish is the bed rock of the gaa and its what ever county board that a parish is affiliated to that decides what GAA county its in.

Limerick extended it's city boundaries this years and hope to further extend them into Co. Clare.

The Clare locals say no way but even if it happens would you expect the Gaa to redraw it's boundaries to suit Limerick city council?

Wasn't there word last year that Waterford city was potentially going to extend into Co Kilkenny?

Dublin extended into Meath years ago 

[spectator]

Interestingly, there's no confusion for the Mayo folks about what county Ballagh is in, when it comes to requesting lottery funded sports capital grants, which have been ear marked for use in County Roscommon.

Ballagh GAA were allotted €160,000 to develop their facilities last year, which came from the County Roscommon Allocation of the fund.

Spectator you need to think that line of thinking through fully.

If you insist that the National Lottery Funding for Ballagh Gaa should come from the Mayo County allocation from the National Lottery Fund then fine. But expect an immediate border change, consitituency redraw and uproar from all the newly displaced Rossies surrounding the enclave.

In all honesty, that's a laughable mis-interpretation of what I wrote, muppet.

I'm not saying, suggesting  or even "insisting" as you put it, that Ballagh get it's funding from anywhere other than Roscommon.

Ballagh is in County Roscommon, so its funding comes through Ros, as happened in this case.

Ballagh GAA got the second largest allocation of funding from the Roscommon Allocation last year. This was largely thanks to Roscommon politicians lobbying Sports Minister John O'Donoghue on their behalf. Johnno would have been involved in the horsetrading also, I'd imagine.

Other GAA clubs in Ros lost out on account of this, which didn't go down very well with members of those clubs that were overlooked. But still, credit to the Ros politicians as they withstood the claims of the 'genuine' Ros clubs in favour of Ballagh, which as we all know is a Mayo affiliated club.

If fighting for and stumping up €160,000 for the benefit of developing Ballagh GAA club - which will also ultimately benefit Mayo football, one would think - is not a sign of the Rossies goodwill to Mayo and Ballagh GAA, then I don't know what is.

It'd be unbelievably mean-spirited and hypocritical of Mayo GAA to take the money The Rossies went out on a limb to secure for them, whilst at the same time continuing to deny Ballagh Rossies the choice of playing for Ros, if they so wish.

I'm delighted for the Ballagh club that they received the substantial funding. In light of this financial support, it's now high time the Mayo County Board reciprocated with a small gesture, by allowing Ballagh Rossie club members the choice of playing for Ros, if they so wish.

Realpolitik at work close up - don't you just have to love it

[moysider]

Who in Ballaghadereen would want to play for Roscommon? Lads whose parents came from mainland Roscommon I assume. For football purposes Ballaghadereen has always been Mayo. So would Ballagh lads declaring for Roscommon  be any different than a talented young player I know  from my club declaring for Ros because his parents moved from there 10 years ago and his father is very much a Roscommon fan? There s lots of players playing around the country - especially for towny clubs like mine - whose roots are elsewhere.

[StoneWall]

Especially for Sligonian...

Looks like Tom Parsons isn't in doubt about his loyalties...

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5299&Itemid=39

I love Mayo football, I love Charlestown football

[heineken_on_tap]

At least he goes 'home' to his own county to get a college education 

[mannix]

tom knows where the opportunities lie, mayo will have him in a final before long in croker, sligo lose their heads when they win connaught.