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Maybe mickey should go and bring back all the 6 footers he has fell out with like Conan grugan,shea mc guigan,mc nulty,Niall mc Kenna, coney

Grugan and Coney the only ones of that bunch who I would think may have something to offer.

http://www.the42.ie/irish-schools-rugby-drug-testing-anti-doping-sport-ireland-3829581-Feb2018/

how can team compete with Dublin?

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players
2.none of the dublin team work
3.free cars
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU
5.have their warm area/dressing room

Time to take the dubs out of croker and play a few games down the country

*** FAKE NEWS ALERT*

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players - FAKE NEWS - Confirmed by John Costello
2.none of the dublin team work - FAKE NEWS - Myth debunked time and time again
3.free cars - Not all get them, some of them get them as loans
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU - Dublin always hand a strong affiliation with DCU, they use a lot of club grounds, Parnells (Davids) Innisfails in Kinsealy, which are hardly state of the art facilities, take your logic the take Tyrone out of their centre of excellence, Clare etc, How can Leitrim compete with Mayos 320 K senior football team expenditure
5.have their warm area/dressing room - Dublin have always warmed up infront of the Hill. Only problem with people now because they are winning, Dressing room myth debunked time and time again.

God , newbies what.

They're just denials, there is nothing to say they are true. I would firmly be of the opinion that a high proportion of the Dublin players effectively have part time or no-show jobs.

Not denials, its been confirmed.

regarding professions, A lot are Students, il give you that, but a lot are young men on the current Dublin panel, who might of got a scholarship etc, no harm it that.

5 are teachers
8 Students
6  work in finance
4 in medical or fitness.
3 in account management or sales.
7 or 8 unknown but I say mostly students as the unknowns are also very young.

I would day its a similar profile to a lot of teams.

Confirmed?

Alot of mobsters in America were employed in the sanitation business, it doesn't mean they actually turned up for work. The Dublin players are "employed", I would imagine a lot of them would not do a full working week and are there for optics.

I think you're either naive or blinkered on this.

[Irish rugby]

Not surprised this sort of carryon exists within Irish rugby.

What's been heard so far does not look very good at all for the defendants.

Not sure how you can say that, but then again rationale is limited with a lot of posters in these types of threads.

There is precedent here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/article-2385270/Ireland-rugby-sex-scandal--threesome-Dublin-night-out.html

Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.

When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.

Don't agree with this.

I think the players we are currently producing are nearly as skilled as they were 10 years ago. The game has now changed, the game is all about mobility, athleticism, speed and size. Unfortunately we have too many good footballers who don't match up in the athleticism and size game. You look at the lads who people cry out for to be allowed play football - O'Neill, Brennan, McCurry etc - they're lacking in those aspects and the modern game does not suit them like it would have 10 years ago.

A lot of these lads look blown up to me trying to adapt their natural game in order to try and succeed in the modern game but I don't think it will work.

You look at someone like Michael Darragh MacAuley, a guy who is a fantastic athlete and physical presence but doesn't really resemble a footballer at times - he's a 5 time All Ireland winner now and a former footballer of the year. Every player on that Dublin team has speed, size and power, they can play football too but if you still have last year's match programme then have a look at the player profiles. They are on average nearly a stone and a couple of inches talker than the Tyrone team. Further to that we have lost two real experienced physical presences this year in Justy and Sean Cavanagh.

Serious question. Should MH be allowed to continue forever? Its 10 years since he last won a big game. Would this happen in any other county?

Noveau riche fans - Ulster Finals aren't big games anymore.

Probably a better way of phrasing the question. When was the last time Tyrone won a game where they entered it as 2nd favourites.

I get the point you're making though. However it's important, in my opinion, that Tyrone see themselves as a 'big team' and aim accordingly. Kerry and Dublin celebrate provincial titles with a shrug. I wouldn't want Tyrone being as blase, as provincial titles should be cherished. However at the same time it has to be a minimum aim every season.

When you invest £6 million on a training complex there must be some improvement generated by that complex. Not all of this is measurable I understand. However we are not producing better players than we were 10 years ago. Indeed there's an argument that we are producing better athletes but not better players and that's detrimental.

Personally I find the football in the main part hard to watch. However IF you are performing at a really high level I can stomach that. When you're not....

On a different point. Have Tyrone moved away from releasing their weekend teams now from Thursday evenings?

We were bookies outsiders against Monaghan in 2015.

Can't remember if we were favourties against Donegal in 2016 either.

how can team compete with Dublin?

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players
2.none of the dublin team work
3.free cars
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU
5.have their warm area/dressing room

Time to take the dubs out of croker and play a few games down the country

*** FAKE NEWS ALERT*

1.All meals delivered to Dublin players - FAKE NEWS - Confirmed by John Costello
2.none of the dublin team work - FAKE NEWS - Myth debunked time and time again
3.free cars - Not all get them, some of them get them as loans
4.access to facilities in Abbotstown,DCU - Dublin always hand a strong affiliation with DCU, they use a lot of club grounds, Parnells (Davids) Innisfails in Kinsealy, which are hardly state of the art facilities, take your logic the take Tyrone out of their centre of excellence, Clare etc, How can Leitrim compete with Mayos 320 K senior football team expenditure
5.have their warm area/dressing room - Dublin have always warmed up infront of the Hill. Only problem with people now because they are winning, Dressing room myth debunked time and time again.

God , newbies what.

They're just denials, there is nothing to say they are true. I would firmly be of the opinion that a high proportion of the Dublin players effectively have part time or no-show jobs.

Not surprised this sort of carryon exists within Irish rugby.

What's been heard so far does not look very good at all for the defendants.

We had 8 players in action on Wednesday, I think they all played the full match so I think we mindful of that with our selection.

I'd go with the following:

1. O'Neill
2. HP McGeary
3. Hampsey
4. Cassidy
5. T McCann
6. McNamee
7. Harte
8. McClure
9. M Donnelly
10. R Donnelly
11. Sludden
12. Meyler
13. Bradley
14. McHugh
15. McAliskey

Question for all you knowlegeable people out there. Just imagine you were managing a team and had to pick a full forward line from Paul Geaney, Paul Mannion, Dean Rock, Cillian O Connor, Andy Moran, Paddy Mc Brearty and Mark Bradley, what would it be ?

Moran/McBrearty and COC.

interesting

Can I ask why you picked those players? Any reason?

I picked those as I wondered who people thought were the best inside forwards playing at the minute. Probably could have included James O Donoghue and Bernard Brogan also. I think Mark Bradley is better than Andy Moran, Cillian O Connor and Dean Rock, but thats just my opinion

you're kidding?

not at all

when he proves himself at the highest level. In Ulster championship against Slaughtneil and in Croke Park for Tyrone has strugled.

You continually criticise the way Tyrone play saying that they give good forwards no chance then you criticise Mark Bradley for struggling against 3 defenders in croke park

Fair point so how can you put him above those other players who have performed in Croke Park based on his performances in Tyrone club football?

Yep you're right it's a leap of faith. I just think his pace and work ethic along with his obvious ability makes him a really good forward....

if he ever gets a bit of support

Bradley is a very talented player but too small unfortunately.

McBrearty Moran Geaney

Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!

he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.

His football ability is more than good enough. He's a regular scorer for Tyrone now after all the unjust abuse you levelled at him last year.

what abuse? Sayin he isn't good enough for top level is not abuse.

You must not have watched a lot of McCann in a Tyrone jersey of late. Easily one of the top performers in the team.

Tiarnan more interested in his tan, six pack and hair than putting in a big hit like Keegan. In other words -  he hasn't got the balls!

he hasn't got the balls or the football ability to cut it at the top level.

His football ability is more than good enough. He's a regular scorer for Tyrone now after all the unjust abuse you levelled at him last year.

Jaysus - not really following you now.

I Just didn't like how it looked and i'm not looking at it with any type of Tyrone glasses on. Sometimes calling out some of you own can be difficult.

I just think that I would prefer the reputation associated with Marc O'Se than with Sean Cavanagh. Both top quality footballers - some of the best we've ever seen. One cries to refs and does loads of cliched interviews and the other doesn't.

My two cents!

You know why those reputations exist? One team are media darlings, the other are media pariahs. The actions really don't seem to matter as the narrative is predetermined.

Lee Keegan only 5'11. It not the size of the man in the fight, its the size of the fight in the man.

Crucially he's about 13.5st and built like a Rugby League player, with the athleticism to boot and he's got the nastiness in him that all winners have.

yeah but the most important thing he has is the ability to kick points and goals when he gets the chance. You don't learn that in the gym.

So does Tiernan McCann who you have slated.