European Leagues.

Started by laoislad, August 11, 2012, 10:19:15 PM

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sid waddell

Real Madrid didn't win a European Cup between 1966 and 1998 and reached one final in those 32 years.

It took them another 12 years to get back to a final after 2002. They tend to make hay when they're good but more often than not they haven't been that great at European level and Spain's production line of players could easily dry up. It's not even a decade since Liverpool completely demolished them over two legs in the last 16 of the Champions League. Dortmund were demolishing them more recently than that again.

Serie A hoovered up the world's best players for over 20 years and AC Milan hoovered up the world's best players for over a decade. Not anymore.

Things don't stay still forever and the dominance they and Barcelona have enjoyed at European level is likely to end sooner rather than later - Barcelona's period at the top of European football already looks over.

sid waddell

Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2018, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 25, 2018, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2018, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
If Real go through then you'd wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You're off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won't be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

seafoid

Quote from: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 01:08:28 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2018, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 25, 2018, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2018, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
If Real go through then you'd wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You're off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won't be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

ReAl,  Barca and the EPL are funded by cheap money. ReaL and Barca have loads of debt The EPL is funded by very expensive TV packages and debt  Ordinary punters are not getting payrises. It may work early doors but it is not sustainable.
The UK economy is a mess . So is the Spanish economy. 
The banks are afraid of Real so risk man age mentioned isn't ideal.
Maybe Ronaldo is worth x million but there are an awful lot of make weights in the game. And legions of spivs and parasites feeding off them.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Syferus

Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2018, 06:04:17 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 01:08:28 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2018, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 25, 2018, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2018, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
If Real go through then you'd wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You're off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won't be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

ReAl,  Barca and the EPL are funded by cheap money. ReaL and Barca have loads of debt The EPL is funded by very expensive TV packages and debt  Ordinary punters are not getting payrises. It may work early doors but it is not sustainable.
The UK economy is a mess . So is the Spanish economy. 
The banks are afraid of Real so risk man age mentioned isn't ideal.
Maybe Ronaldo is worth x million but there are an awful lot of make weights in the game. And legions of spivs and parasites feeding off them.

Why does everything you say have to end up as a nonsensical rant against captitalism?

seafoid

Quote from: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2018, 06:04:17 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 01:08:28 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 26, 2018, 12:40:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 26, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 25, 2018, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 25, 2018, 10:43:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
If Real go through then you'd wonder have they enough hunger to win another?
It looks like Real are in Fergie/Cody time.
Which would mean we don't see them again for a good while after this year or next year
Which wouldn't be unbearable

You're off your rocker if you think Real fûcking Madrid won't be there or thereabouts every year.

Empires can quickly come to an end.

Where are AC Milan now? What happened to Serie A's empire?


Serie A went bankrupt FFS. That's hardly going to happen to Real.
The decline of Serie A should be a warning to La Liga as to what can happen. The Premier League in general is a much more attractive product than La Liga, which is almost totally about the Madrid-Barcelona rivalry, and since 2009 about the Messi-Ronaldo rivalry. It also happened to coincide with Spain having their greatest ever team at international level, with Xavi, Iniesta, Pique and Busquets being on the opposite side to Ramos, Casillas, Alonso etc in derbies.

Serie A had the Maradona v Gullit/Van Basten/Rijkaard v Matthaus/Klinsmann/Brehme narrative in the late 80s and early 90s which made it compelling. The other backdrop was Italy having a brilliant national team at the time with players like Baresi, Maldini, Baggio and Vialli, and hosting the World Cup. Once that narrative went, it wasn't as attractive.

The Messi v Ronaldo rivalry will soon be gone and the 2010 Spain players are either gone or near the end. The compelling nature of the Barcelona v Madrid rivalry is likely to decline with it, at least as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

ReAl,  Barca and the EPL are funded by cheap money. ReaL and Barca have loads of debt The EPL is funded by very expensive TV packages and debt  Ordinary punters are not getting payrises. It may work early doors but it is not sustainable.
The UK economy is a mess . So is the Spanish economy. 
The banks are afraid of Real so risk man age mentioned isn't ideal.
Maybe Ronaldo is worth x million but there are an awful lot of make weights in the game. And legions of spivs and parasites feeding off them.

Why does everything you say have to end up as a nonsensical rant against captitalism?
Syf, if Barca and Real aren't funded by mountains of debt please give us a link.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Denn Forever

Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.
I have more respect for a man
that says what he means and
means what he says...

Syferus

Quote from: Denn Forever on April 26, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.

Or maybe it's because Real is taking in over $800 million dollars in revenue and generating profits:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2017/09/17/real-madrid-announces-record-revenues-of-800m-but-success-also-brings-additional-costs/

seafoid

Quote from: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 26, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.

Or maybe it's because Real is taking in over $800 million dollars in revenue and generating profits:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2017/09/17/real-madrid-announces-record-revenues-of-800m-but-success-also-brings-additional-costs/

How much profit, Syf?  Now get a calculator and tell me how many years of profit it would take to buy a player for 250m. 
Next question is how do Real spend 320m in a season on players. I will give you a clue. The answer has 4 letters and starts with d.

Revenues are not profits. Ask anyone in Castlerea Mart.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Maroon Manc

Real Madrid aren't far off break even on transfer the last 6 seasons, thats very good going although thats got to change considering Ronaldo is 33, Modric 32, Benzema 30, Bale 29 in a few months and Ramos is 32. The era of Barca & Real's dominance is coming to an end.


Syferus

Quote from: seafoid on April 26, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 26, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
Maybe it is like the banks, both are too big to fail.

Or maybe it's because Real is taking in over $800 million dollars in revenue and generating profits:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2017/09/17/real-madrid-announces-record-revenues-of-800m-but-success-also-brings-additional-costs/

How much profit, Syf?  Now get a calculator and tell me how many years of profit it would take to buy a player for 250m. 
Next question is how do Real spend 320m in a season on players. I will give you a clue. The answer has 4 letters and starts with d.

Revenues are not profits. Ask anyone in Castlerea Mart.

I think you need to go back to school if you think Real aren't in good financial shape.

Captain Obvious

Real Madrid still in control of this tie but not looking convincing especially in defence. At least Cristiano Ronaldo is more involved tonight than he was last week.

Cunny Funt

That 2nd Real Madrid goal WTF!

Captain Obvious

Bayern Munich not out of this tie yet. Hard to believe how average in defence these two experienced sides are.

Milltown Row2

Both teams will get hammered by Liverpool. Defenders are at sixes and sevens
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

imtommygunn

Wouldn't say that. Liverpool not good defensively and it's not like either attack shabby here either.

Besides they still have tomorrow to get through...