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[sid waddell]

The far right are making fools of themselves in Dublin again

Their self-entitlement is off the scale

That was a fairly big crowd in Dublin today. They can't all be Far Right?

RTE reported that the protest crowd was from a wide mix of political shades.
The mystery is how did the RUC end up there policing?

Paul Reynolds would say that though, wouldn't he

No proper organised group anywhere on the left supports this shit

They very much do on the far right

The Gardai were very restrained

[bennydorano]

I don't see how it's 'far right' either, it's load of highly impressionable people. I doubt most of them would be aware what constitutes left or right wing politics, especially the 2 blades with the RTE shirts.

[Armagh18]

There needs to be a reasonable voice for people to express their frustration with lockdown and the governments disgraceful handling of it. Labelling everyone there as a far right nut job helps no one and is playing into the hands of the actual nutters like GO'D

[sid waddell]

I don't see how it's 'far right' either, it's load of highly impressionable people. I doubt most of them would be aware what constitutes left or right wing politics, especially the 2 blades with the RTE shirts.

Of course it's far right

It's an anti-science, anti-humanity, conspiracy theory-fuelled demonstration of intimidation, which aims to end restrictions which are 100% needed

Total wacko stuff and supported by every far right interest in this country, the lot of them of them support it, no organised interest in the left supports it

Did you "both sides" or attempt to downplay the seriousness of the far right demonstrators at Charlottesville?

Every person there today knew what they were supporting and this shit is designed to be like Charlottesville - there is no good faith aim behind it - only far right nihilism

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

It's not the far right.

[thewobbler]

There needs to be a reasonable voice for people to express their frustration with lockdown and the governments disgraceful handling of it. Labelling everyone there as a far right nut job helps no one and is playing into the hands of the actual nutters like GO'D

There's barely a discernible right and left in Irish culture or political ideology, let alone a far left or a far right.

Unfortunately though there is a small but very vocal group of Irish people who are unnaturally obsessed with American politics and are determined to draw parallels between what's happening there and here. Same people are utterly oblivious to the fact that the vast majority of Irish people have not the time, will nor interest to explore their political ideology, and just use an old fashioned moral compass instead.

[sid waddell]

There needs to be a reasonable voice for people to express their frustration with lockdown and the governments disgraceful handling of it. Labelling everyone there as a far right nut job helps no one and is playing into the hands of the actual nutters like GO'D

If people demonstrably act like nutters, that's what they are

If people have extreme beliefs, they are extremists

To say otherwise is extreme right wing political correctness

It is a demand to lie - to reject the truth in order to protect the feelings of extremists

Everybody there today in support of that demo knew what it was, and knew what would happen - and that's what they wanted to happen

The right consistently cries about personal responsibility and consistently totally rejects any concept of personal responsibility

It is a professional fake grievance industry which aims to totally obliterate any sort of critical thought in favour of fascist mob rule

We have lessons from history to know exactly what this is

[sid waddell]

There needs to be a reasonable voice for people to express their frustration with lockdown and the governments disgraceful handling of it. Labelling everyone there as a far right nut job helps no one and is playing into the hands of the actual nutters like GO'D

There's barely a discernible right and left in Irish culture or political ideology, let alone a far left or a far right.

Unfortunately though there is a small but very vocal group of Irish people who are unnaturally obsessed with American politics and are determined to draw parallels between what's happening there and here. Same people are utterly oblivious to the fact that the vast majority of Irish people have not the time, will nor interest to explore their political ideology, and just use an old fashioned moral compass instead.

Many of them there today

It isn't the left that has imported toxic American identity politics into Ireland, it's the likes of the nutcases there today

[thewobbler]

There hasn't been an import of American identity politics. Not even a semblance of it.

It's a figment of your imagination.

[bennydorano]

I don't see how it's 'far right' either, it's load of highly impressionable people. I doubt most of them would be aware what constitutes left or right wing politics, especially the 2 blades with the RTE shirts.

Of course it's far right

It's an anti-science, anti-humanity, conspiracy theory-fuelled demonstration of intimidation, which aims to end restrictions which are 100% needed

Total wacko stuff and supported by every far right interest in this country, the lot of them of them support it, no organised interest in the left supports it

Did you "both sides" or attempt to downplay the seriousness of the far right demonstrators at Charlottesville?

Every person there today knew what they were supporting and this shit is designed to be like Charlottesville - there is no good faith aim behind it - only far right nihilism

No it isn't, most of them don't know their arse from their elbow. The intolerant Liberal coming out in you again.

[sid waddell]

There hasn't been an import of American identity politics. Not even a semblance of it.

It's a figment of your imagination.

Well a minute ago you said there had been

Now you're saying there hasn't

That's a direct contradiction in successive posts

Make up your mind

I suppose it's difficult to make up your mind when you believe in absolutely nothing and believe there is no truth

That's one of the things that has been imported from right-wing US identity politics and conspiracy theorising

You've been heavily influenced by US right-wing identity politics yourself without even realising it

[sid waddell]

I don't see how it's 'far right' either, it's load of highly impressionable people. I doubt most of them would be aware what constitutes left or right wing politics, especially the 2 blades with the RTE shirts.

Of course it's far right

It's an anti-science, anti-humanity, conspiracy theory-fuelled demonstration of intimidation, which aims to end restrictions which are 100% needed

Total wacko stuff and supported by every far right interest in this country, the lot of them of them support it, no organised interest in the left supports it

Did you "both sides" or attempt to downplay the seriousness of the far right demonstrators at Charlottesville?

Every person there today knew what they were supporting and this shit is designed to be like Charlottesville - there is no good faith aim behind it - only far right nihilism

No it isn't, most of them don't know their arse from their elbow. The intolerant Liberal coming out in you again.

Of course they knew what they were attending, you have very little regard for the awareness of those who attended the demonstration

Nice right-wing cliche though, did you steal it from Brendan O'Neill?

Liberal values are not about tolerating fascism by the way

The paradox of tolerance is that intolerance must never be tolerated and that means there should be zero tolerance for the far right

This is a lesson that we should all know from very painful history

Seems some are utterly determined to reject those lessons

[thewobbler]

There hasn't been an import of American identity politics. Not even a semblance of it.

It's a figment of your imagination.

Well a minute ago you said there had been

Now you're saying there hasn't

That's a direct contradiction in successive posts

Make up your mind

I suppose it's difficult to make up your mind when you believe in absolutely nothing and believe there is no truth

That's one of the things that has been imported from right-wing US identity politics and conspiracy theorising

You've been heavily influenced by US right-wing identity politics yourself without even realising it

Okay I will restart.

American identity politics do not exist in Ireland apart from as figments in the imagination of a very small, very intolerant group of people  who spend far too much time on social media trying to convince people that it is real.

Pretty much nobody in the history of Ireland has cast a vote anything further right than slightly off centre.

[bennydorano]

I don't see how it's 'far right' either, it's load of highly impressionable people. I doubt most of them would be aware what constitutes left or right wing politics, especially the 2 blades with the RTE shirts.

Of course it's far right

It's an anti-science, anti-humanity, conspiracy theory-fuelled demonstration of intimidation, which aims to end restrictions which are 100% needed

Total wacko stuff and supported by every far right interest in this country, the lot of them of them support it, no organised interest in the left supports it

Did you "both sides" or attempt to downplay the seriousness of the far right demonstrators at Charlottesville?

Every person there today knew what they were supporting and this shit is designed to be like Charlottesville - there is no good faith aim behind it - only far right nihilism

No it isn't, most of them don't know their arse from their elbow. The intolerant Liberal coming out in you again.

Of course they knew what they were attending, you have very little regard for the awareness of those who attended the demonstration

Nice right-wing cliche though, did you steal it from Brendan O'Neill?

Liberal values are not about tolerating fascism by the way

The paradox of tolerance is that intolerance must never be tolerated and that means there should be zero tolerance for the far right

This is a lesson that we should all know from very painful history

Seems some are utterly determined to reject those lessons

Piers Corbyn must mess with your head.

[sid waddell]

There hasn't been an import of American identity politics. Not even a semblance of it.

It's a figment of your imagination.

Well a minute ago you said there had been

Now you're saying there hasn't

That's a direct contradiction in successive posts

Make up your mind

I suppose it's difficult to make up your mind when you believe in absolutely nothing and believe there is no truth

That's one of the things that has been imported from right-wing US identity politics and conspiracy theorising

You've been heavily influenced by US right-wing identity politics yourself without even realising it

Okay I will restart.

American identity politics do not exist in Ireland apart from as figments in the imagination of a very small, very intolerant group of people  who spend far too much time on social media trying to convince people that it is real.

Pretty much nobody in the history of Ireland has cast a vote anything further right than off centre.

You need to get out more if you believe this is the case

Right-wing US identity politics is a growing problem and it is being heavily pushed

Many young people do indeed spend too much time on social media and do not have the critical tools to have a chance of ascertaining what is real and what is not real - and this stuff matters in the real world - as we saw in America

Northern Ireland is a case study of how insane right-wing identity politics poisons a society, so I would have thought you'd have plenty of first hand experience