Who’s Been Cancelled??

[Mikhail Prokhorov]

he was sticking up for refugees and human rights

england always has a problem with these kind of issues

[seafoid]

It was a ludicrous comparison and makes light of what 1930s Germany was like. So because a country enforces its own borders its now synonymous with one of the most evil regimes in history. Ok.

Still think they've made an error by dropping him though.

He didn't say like Germany at the Wannsee conference though. He said 1930s. They started off with basic stuff such as demonising other groups.

[naka]

Has anyone ever clarified how Britain 2023 is like Nazism 1930s? What exactly is it that's being compared? Willing to be educated on this with an open mind.

Well, Lieneker being cancelled by the state controlled media for disagreeing with the government is abit on the Nazi side.

People publicly disagree with the government every day. Nobody cares. That's not really what the issue is though is it. Its the fact he compared Britain now to the Nazis. It was a very silly historically ignorant thing to come out with and anyone who thinks it's accurate needs a serious boot in the hole. Hope he gets rehired though. I enjoy his punditry.

He compared the language. He didn't say the language was identical. But I think he has been proven to be accurate

The reaction of the right wing press , the state and the Tory orchestrated bbc definitely has justified his tweet.
Tory England definitely pushing a dangerous agenda

[smelmoth]

I like the way Micah Richards said he wasnt down to be on this week but they need not bother asking him.

Striking workers don't get paid. It's a huge deal for ordinary Joes to strike especially when they are striking about the inability to make ends meet on their pay.

These guys are different. It's a much smaller sacrifice and a much greater reach. They need to keep at it. It's important that sport and sports journalism backs them.

BBC have a lot of explaining to do.

[Itchy]

Commentators refuse to commentate at the weekend now too.

[Snapchap]

It was a ludicrous comparison and makes light of what 1930s Germany was like. So because a country enforces its own borders its now synonymous with one of the most evil regimes in history. Ok.

Way to miss the point. Lineker didn't say that enforcing borders is naziism. He said the language being used by the Tories surrounding the issue is not dissimilar to the sort of language used in 1930s Germany and it takes a shocking level of ignorance to deny the accuracy of his point. As someone said on the radio the other day, Lineker didn't say the Tory's language was akin to "the tree" that was nazism, but that it is akin to the seed from which that tree grew.

And he was spot on. Consider:

1. The torys use of a specific portion of the population, in this case migrants, as the public's enemy that we need to be wary of.
2. Their dehumanising language about these migrants. Note how they only rarely even seem to even reference the migrants themselves, but have replaced the word "migrants" with "small boats". A collection of people no longer referenced as people/migrants, but instead only as "small boats". Can't go running the risk of reminding us that these small boats are overfilled with actual desperate human beings risking their lives, can they?
3. Braverman, the Home Secretary, used the phrase that Britain is facing an "invasion" of "illegitimate" asylum seekers. More de-humanising language.
4. Braverman also stated that those on the "small boats" are "rich enough" to pay to get onto them. "Rich". Not 'spending the only money they have to risk their lives in a potentially lethal journey'. No. They are apparently "rich".
5. Lee Anderson went and had his photo taken alongside a group of fascists and justified it by saying they're part of a wider group full of "good people".
6. Jacob Rees-Mogg spoke at a dinner organised by the fascist "pro-repatriation" group 'Traditional Britain Group', where he said Stephen Lawrence's mum should "go home".
7. Critics of their immoral and cruel and racist policies are widely attacked as being unpatriotic and out of step with "the vast majority of the British public" (Braverman). Another tactic straight out of 1930s Germany.
8. The largest newspaper in Britain, bought and paid for by the torys (just have a wee look at Boris' honours list) carried a cartoon depicting migrants as rats.
9. In an effort to show how upset they are at people comparing their language to that of 1930s Germany, they have decided to prove these critics wrong by, er, having them silenced.

Of course put that against a context of the last few years of tory rule, where they have gone after trade unions, teachers, trans rights, lawyers, clamped down on the right to protest, privacy etc etc etc, and where their most adored figure, the former Prime Minister Boris Johnston, felt comfortable enough to get away with racist language about a religious community (describing Islamophobia as "a normal response" among other well known racist comments) and surely it becomes impossible to deny the 1930s Germany parallels?

It didn't start with gas Chambers. It started with politicians dividing the people with "us vs them".

[smelmoth]

Snapchap I think I have only agreed with you once. And this is it.

Thanks for going to the effort to set that out.

[Itchy]

Who would have thought there'd be Irish nationalists defending rascist Tory rule. We live in strange times and it definitely true that people are getting stupider.

[Armagh18]

It was a ludicrous comparison and makes light of what 1930s Germany was like. So because a country enforces its own borders its now synonymous with one of the most evil regimes in history. Ok.

Way to miss the point. Lineker didn't say that enforcing borders is naziism. He said the language being used by the Tories surrounding the issue is not dissimilar to the sort of language used in 1930s Germany and it takes a shocking level of ignorance to deny the accuracy of his point. As someone said on the radio the other day, Lineker didn't say the Tory's language was akin to "the tree" that was nazism, but that it is akin to the seed from which that tree grew.

And he was spot on. Consider:

1. The torys use of a specific portion of the population, in this case migrants, as the public's enemy that we need to be wary of.
2. Their dehumanising language about these migrants. Note how they only rarely even seem to even reference the migrants themselves, but have replaced the word "migrants" with "small boats". A collection of people no longer referenced as people/migrants, but instead only as "small boats". Can't go running the risk of reminding us that these small boats are overfilled with actual desperate human beings risking their lives, can they?
3. Braverman, the Home Secretary, used the phrase that Britain is facing an "invasion" of "illegitimate" asylum seekers. More de-humanising language.
4. Braverman also stated that those on the "small boats" are "rich enough" to pay to get onto them. "Rich". Not 'spending the only money they have to risk their lives in a potentially lethal journey'. No. They are apparently "rich".
5. Lee Anderson went and had his photo taken alongside a group of fascists and justified it by saying they're part of a wider group full of "good people".
6. Jacob Rees-Mogg spoke at a dinner organised by the fascist "pro-repatriation" group 'Traditional Britain Group', where he said Stephen Lawrence's mum should "go home".
7. Critics of their immoral and cruel and racist policies are widely attacked as being unpatriotic and out of step with "the vast majority of the British public" (Braverman). Another tactic straight out of 1930s Germany.
8. The largest newspaper in Britain, bought and paid for by the torys (just have a wee look at Boris' honours list) carried a cartoon depicting migrants as rats.
9. In an effort to show how upset they are at people comparing their language to tweet of 1930s Germany, they have decided to prove these critics wrong by, er, having them silenced.

Of course put that against a context of the last few years of tory rule, where they have gone after trade unions, teachers, trans rights, lawyers, clamped down on the right to protest, privacy etc etc etc, and where their most adored figure, the former Prime Minister Boris Johnston, felt comfortable enough to get away with racist language about a religious community (describing Islamophobia as "a normal response" among other well known racist comments) and surely it becomes impossible to deny the 1930s Germany parallels?

It didn't start with gas Chambers. It started with politicians dividing the people with "us vs them".

Good post.

[yellowcard]

It was a ludicrous comparison and makes light of what 1930s Germany was like. So because a country enforces its own borders its now synonymous with one of the most evil regimes in history. Ok.

Way to miss the point. Lineker didn't say that enforcing borders is naziism. He said the language being used by the Tories surrounding the issue is not dissimilar to the sort of language used in 1930s Germany and it takes a shocking level of ignorance to deny the accuracy of his point. As someone said on the radio the other day, Lineker didn't say the Tory's language was akin to "the tree" that was nazism, but that it is akin to the seed from which that tree grew.

And he was spot on. Consider:

1. The torys use of a specific portion of the population, in this case migrants, as the public's enemy that we need to be wary of.
2. Their dehumanising language about these migrants. Note how they only rarely even seem to even reference the migrants themselves, but have replaced the word "migrants" with "small boats". A collection of people no longer referenced as people/migrants, but instead only as "small boats". Can't go running the risk of reminding us that these small boats are overfilled with actual desperate human beings risking their lives, can they?
3. Braverman, the Home Secretary, used the phrase that Britain is facing an "invasion" of "illegitimate" asylum seekers. More de-humanising language.
4. Braverman also stated that those on the "small boats" are "rich enough" to pay to get onto them. "Rich". Not 'spending the only money they have to risk their lives in a potentially lethal journey'. No. They are apparently "rich".
5. Lee Anderson went and had his photo taken alongside a group of fascists and justified it by saying they're part of a wider group full of "good people".
6. Jacob Rees-Mogg spoke at a dinner organised by the fascist "pro-repatriation" group 'Traditional Britain Group', where he said Stephen Lawrence's mum should "go home".
7. Critics of their immoral and cruel and racist policies are widely attacked as being unpatriotic and out of step with "the vast majority of the British public" (Braverman). Another tactic straight out of 1930s Germany.
8. The largest newspaper in Britain, bought and paid for by the torys (just have a wee look at Boris' honours list) carried a cartoon depicting migrants as rats.
9. In an effort to show how upset they are at people comparing their language to tweet of 1930s Germany, they have decided to prove these critics wrong by, er, having them silenced.

Of course put that against a context of the last few years of tory rule, where they have gone after trade unions, teachers, trans rights, lawyers, clamped down on the right to protest, privacy etc etc etc, and where their most adored figure, the former Prime Minister Boris Johnston, felt comfortable enough to get away with racist language about a religious community (describing Islamophobia as "a normal response" among other well known racist comments) and surely it becomes impossible to deny the 1930s Germany parallels?

It didn't start with gas Chambers. It started with politicians dividing the people with "us vs them".

Excellent well made points. It shouldn't really need pointed out but the UK is a deeply divided society and has been engaging in a culture war for some considerable time. It's run largely by billionaire media moguls for their chums in the political class. Ordinary people are only pawns to be used in a game of self interest. I wouldn't be a huge fan of Gary Lineker but he is spot on in his comments and at least used his platform for some good.

[Mourne Red]

Sky Sports were on the ball last night. Everything here from the people in power at the BBC breaches their impartiality rules

https://twitter.com/skykaveh/status/1634288030658842641?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg

I also don't think Gary was wrong in his tweet either, LBC caller phoned in and changed one word of Bevermans speech

https://twitter.com/thevojem/status/1634312033595211778?s=46&t=zMI0pHqP8aYtYYerofczvg

[RedHand88]

Whatever your politics, its clear BBC have dug themselves a huge hole that they will struggle to get out of without looking like idiots. They really shouldn't have done it in the first place.

[J70]

It was a ludicrous comparison and makes light of what 1930s Germany was like. So because a country enforces its own borders its now synonymous with one of the most evil regimes in history. Ok.

Way to miss the point. Lineker didn't say that enforcing borders is naziism. He said the language being used by the Tories surrounding the issue is not dissimilar to the sort of language used in 1930s Germany and it takes a shocking level of ignorance to deny the accuracy of his point. As someone said on the radio the other day, Lineker didn't say the Tory's language was akin to "the tree" that was nazism, but that it is akin to the seed from which that tree grew.

And he was spot on. Consider:

1. The torys use of a specific portion of the population, in this case migrants, as the public's enemy that we need to be wary of.
2. Their dehumanising language about these migrants. Note how they only rarely even seem to even reference the migrants themselves, but have replaced the word "migrants" with "small boats". A collection of people no longer referenced as people/migrants, but instead only as "small boats". Can't go running the risk of reminding us that these small boats are overfilled with actual desperate human beings risking their lives, can they?
3. Braverman, the Home Secretary, used the phrase that Britain is facing an "invasion" of "illegitimate" asylum seekers. More de-humanising language.
4. Braverman also stated that those on the "small boats" are "rich enough" to pay to get onto them. "Rich". Not 'spending the only money they have to risk their lives in a potentially lethal journey'. No. They are apparently "rich".
5. Lee Anderson went and had his photo taken alongside a group of fascists and justified it by saying they're part of a wider group full of "good people".
6. Jacob Rees-Mogg spoke at a dinner organised by the fascist "pro-repatriation" group 'Traditional Britain Group', where he said Stephen Lawrence's mum should "go home".
7. Critics of their immoral and cruel and racist policies are widely attacked as being unpatriotic and out of step with "the vast majority of the British public" (Braverman). Another tactic straight out of 1930s Germany.
8. The largest newspaper in Britain, bought and paid for by the torys (just have a wee look at Boris' honours list) carried a cartoon depicting migrants as rats.
9. In an effort to show how upset they are at people comparing their language to that of 1930s Germany, they have decided to prove these critics wrong by, er, having them silenced.

Of course put that against a context of the last few years of tory rule, where they have gone after trade unions, teachers, trans rights, lawyers, clamped down on the right to protest, privacy etc etc etc, and where their most adored figure, the former Prime Minister Boris Johnston, felt comfortable enough to get away with racist language about a religious community (describing Islamophobia as "a normal response" among other well known racist comments) and surely it becomes impossible to deny the 1930s Germany parallels?

It didn't start with gas Chambers. It started with politicians dividing the people with "us vs them".

Wow! Well put!

[JoG2]

Who would have thought there'd be Irish nationalists defending rascist Tory rule. We live in strange times and it definitely true that people are getting stupider.

Couple of excellent posts above. But this is the bit that gets me, Irish nationalists defending this evil Tory party. Divide and conquer. The right wing is on the rise big time aided and abeited by the BBC. The next general election might not be until Jan 2025. Just imagine what will happen between now and then as they really double done on the racism, the hatred, the division and try and retake votes / seats. Moseley would be proud

[trailer]

Snapchap I think I have only agreed with you once. And this is it.

Thanks for going to the effort to set that out.

+1 and +1