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Question: In your county, has it:
Option 1: Significantly increased in recent years
Option 2: Significantly decreased in recent years
Option 3: It's about the same
Title: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 09:54:12 AM
Just trying to get a sense of the general landscape here.
In Meath, for my money violence has significantly decreased.
Then again the worst rows I ever saw were at underage level, not adult football.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2018, 10:13:44 AM
Definitely a lot less not just GAA, but rugby and soccer as well.

Governing bodies cracking down but videos and social media have played their part.

Except Tyrone, should build a wall around that county.

I will be honest I love a good schmozle (sp), melee, handbags etc. It's the isolated cowardly acts of violence/cheap shots I have no time for.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: iorras on September 17, 2018, 12:40:22 PM
At adult yes, at underage/juvenile the level of agro from the sideline is increasing. There appears to be a lot more angry parents/mentors out there. Not sure if its more or less violent than previously, usually things don't turn that way but some still do
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dire Ear on September 17, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
It's a mirror image of life itself maybe;  people are under more pressure, always rushing generally higher stress levels?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 17, 2018, 01:12:31 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2018, 10:13:44 AM
Definitely a lot less not just GAA, but rugby and soccer as well.

Governing bodies cracking down but videos and social media have played their part.

Except Tyrone, should build a wall around that county.

I will be honest I love a good schmozle (sp), melee, handbags etc. It's the isolated cowardly acts of violence/cheap shots I have no time for.

Tyrone is probably no different to what it has always been like, the senior championship is when clubs go war, it always has been.
We get some fantastic exciting games due to this, but it inevitably spills over from time to time.
A full on brawl like we seen with stewartstown and strabane is relatively rare in the championship, its the type of thing that is more likely to happen in a league game.
For me the big issue is when mentor/subs/spectators get involved. That's usually when a row crosses over from a few digs thrown into something uncontrollable and dangerous and this is the area that needs to really be clamped down on.
Huge bans and fines need handed out to any club or player that has non- players that become involved in a row.
In club football, far too many people are allowed on the sideline and the mangers etc are allowed on the pitch far too much. If this was tightened up alot of the nastier stuff could be avoided.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2018, 01:14:48 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on September 17, 2018, 10:13:44 AM
Definitely a lot less not just GAA, but rugby and soccer as well.

Governing bodies cracking down but videos and social media have played their part.

Except Tyrone, should build a wall around that county.

I will be honest I love a good schmozle (sp), melee, handbags etc. It's the isolated cowardly acts of violence/cheap shots I have no time for.


Yes to shemozzles but a categoric no to cowardly digs and imo if a team empties their bench then they should be lashed out of the championship. There are generally 30 lads out there capable of sorting out their own issues so the "have a go heroes" from the bench and even outside the wire should just stay where they are.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Itchy on September 17, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
A lot less both where I am from and where I live.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 02:09:30 PM
With smartphones, social media etc. hopefully the message will get through to lads that big brother is watching.
I'm all for naming and shaming in this context.
If you're a primary school teacher and you get your kicks out of trying to hurt people on the field, I want your principal & the parents of the kids you teach to know all about it.
That's what will ultimately put a stop to this.
I'm not talking about the standard shemozzle, where it's more 'houl me back and let me at him' than any real violent intent.
I'm talking about the really vicious dirt, both physical & mental in nature.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 17, 2018, 02:12:43 PM
Starting to get my young fella interested in football/hurling and the thought of bringing him to watch a game that this happened would put him off for life.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Rudi on September 17, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on September 17, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
It's a mirror image of life itself maybe;  people are under more pressure, always rushing generally higher stress levels?

Agreed, see women with young kids when out shopping. Bate ya with their handbags if you get in their way.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 17, 2018, 02:42:38 PM
About the same and if you didn't take the heavy hits on the chin and get involved yourself you were called soft or a coward. What has changed now is spectators are recording it with their smartphones and uploading it to social media.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trileacman on September 17, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
A lot of you lads want to have your cake and eat it too. Ye can't advocate schmoozles, melee etc but not want anyone to get hurt. Woolly did a podcast lately where pillar, mugsy and Barry Cahill sat around with a crowd gleefully recalling the battle of Omagh. The videos of Paudi o Se, 12 apostles, mickey Ned and Mick Lyons throwing punches are repeated here almost monthly with a sort of misty eyed romanticism of the days when football was "manly".

You're  basically all for rows and boys throwing punches into space but dead against it as soon as someone gets hurt. That's like being in favour of drink driving as long as nobody dies or relaxing building codes so long as no building collapses.

Schemozzles- the GAA version of a victimless crime.

There's a problem with violence in the GAA because there's a romanticism about the "manly" days of GAA when refs existed solely to keep note of the score. You've to tackle this attitude at the source and that means less reverence of the old team "enforcer" or whole team brawls. I fully expect a week long supply of articles from the Brolly, Spillane l, o rourke brigade about how this didn't happen in their day and within a fortnight they'll be on the circuit regalling crowds with the story of mickey Ned raising the Sam Maguire from his hospital bed.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 04:01:53 PM
I'm not sure if there are more brawls, or even if there is a more sinister air to the average brawl these days.

But a few things to bear in mind.

Men are generally a lot tighter these days. Not to say that men of farming stock couldn't make mincemeat of a man's jaw 30 years ago. But there's more men capable of it, and fitness levels mean more capable of prolonging a beating.

Perhaps more importantly, once upon a time, it was relatively easy to wash a brawl off. You'd hear about rows in other matches, but Chinese whispers were just as common as rows. There was never much in the way of proof.

Modern communications means these things don't lie down as quickly. Indeed a row can fester for weeks. Video technology means most of them are recorded in some shape or form. So wiping them from the record isn't an option.


There has to be an onus on the GAA to end this culture. The excuses of the past can no longer be used.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Christmas Lights on September 17, 2018, 04:52:18 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 17, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
A lot of you lads want to have your cake and eat it too. Ye can't advocate schmoozles, melee etc but not want anyone to get hurt. Woolly did a podcast lately where pillar, mugsy and Barry Cahill sat around with a crowd gleefully recalling the battle of Omagh. The videos of Paudi o Se, 12 apostles, mickey Ned and Mick Lyons throwing punches are repeated here almost monthly with a sort of misty eyed romanticism of the days when football was "manly".

You're  basically all for rows and boys throwing punches into space but dead against it as soon as someone gets hurt. That's like being in favour of drink driving as long as nobody dies or relaxing building codes so long as no building collapses.

Schemozzles- the GAA version of a victimless crime.

There's a problem with violence in the GAA because there's a romanticism about the "manly" days of GAA when refs existed solely to keep note of the score. You've to tackle this attitude at the source and that means less reverence of the old team "enforcer" or whole team brawls. I fully expect a week long supply of articles from the Brolly, Spillane l, o rourke brigade about how this didn't happen in their day and within a fortnight they'll be on the circuit regalling crowds with the story of mickey Ned raising the Sam Maguire from his hospital bed.

Good post.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Frank_The_Tank on September 17, 2018, 04:58:43 PM
Quote from: trileacman on September 17, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
A lot of you lads want to have your cake and eat it too. Ye can't advocate schmoozles, melee etc but not want anyone to get hurt. Woolly did a podcast lately where pillar, mugsy and Barry Cahill sat around with a crowd gleefully recalling the battle of Omagh. The videos of Paudi o Se, 12 apostles, mickey Ned and Mick Lyons throwing punches are repeated here almost monthly with a sort of misty eyed romanticism of the days when football was "manly".

You're  basically all for rows and boys throwing punches into space but dead against it as soon as someone gets hurt. That's like being in favour of drink driving as long as nobody dies or relaxing building codes so long as no building collapses.

Schemozzles- the GAA version of a victimless crime.

There's a problem with violence in the GAA because there's a romanticism about the "manly" days of GAA when refs existed solely to keep note of the score. You've to tackle this attitude at the source and that means less reverence of the old team "enforcer" or whole team brawls. I fully expect a week long supply of articles from the Brolly, Spillane l, o rourke brigade about how this didn't happen in their day and within a fortnight they'll be on the circuit regalling crowds with the story of mickey Ned raising the Sam Maguire from his hospital bed.

+1
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 06:02:05 PM
OMG the PC brigade are out in full force on this thread.

Boys being put off football for life after seeing a few slaps thrown....jesus christ get a grip.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 06:02:05 PM
OMG the PC brigade are out in full force on this thread.

Boys being put off football for life after seeing a few slaps thrown....jesus christ get a grip.

It's not a few slaps though. It's people being kicked in the head, people being knee dropped in the head, people being sucker-punched for sport, people jumping fences and attacking strangers.

It's stuff that if it happened to you, your friends or family on a street, would see you seeking legal action, and the assailants getting custodial sentences.

It's not a few slaps.

I wonder what your take on the London knife epidemic is. "Ah sure it's only lads growing up and seeing what they can get away with. Let lads be lads" I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 07:12:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 06:02:05 PM
OMG the PC brigade are out in full force on this thread.

Boys being put off football for life after seeing a few slaps thrown....jesus christ get a grip.

It's not a few slaps though. It's people being kicked in the head, people being knee dropped in the head, people being sucker-punched for sport, people jumping fences and attacking strangers.

It's stuff that if it happened to you, your friends or family on a street, would see you seeking legal action, and the assailants getting custodial sentences.

It's not a few slaps.

I wonder what your take on the London knife epidemic is. "Ah sure it's only lads growing up and seeing what they can get away with. Let lads be lads" I'd imagine.

This whole thread is designed to discuss the incidents in the Tyrone games over the weekend. These are passionate men, playing for their Parish, representing their Parish. The same men that you watch in that fight from Friday night, could be teaching your children, fixing your washing machine today. So to compare them with knife weilding gangsters in london, or to mention London's knife crime in the same paragraph is just utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 07:19:51 PM
That's an aside MacDonald.

But seeing as you've just reinforced your stance with a maxim that "anything goes", I'm just not sure where you'd draw the line between manning up and willingly executing physical pain on another human being.

I wouldn't like to be your dog or your missus after you've had a few, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Insane Bolt on September 17, 2018, 08:32:29 PM
I sincerely hope that what happened to Sean Cavanagh was accidental and not deliberate. Thuggery has to be stamped out......one wouldn't accept it on the street, therefore shouldn't have to on the field of play. I know that the GAA are reluctant to have police involvement in any investigation, but if a player is left with no alternative then so be it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 07:19:51 PM
That's an aside MacDonald.

But seeing as you've just reinforced your stance with a maxim that "anything goes", I'm just not sure where you'd draw the line between manning up and willingly executing physical pain on another human being.

I wouldn't like to be your dog or your missus after you've had a few, that's for sure.

So now I'm a wife beating, dog hitting alcoholic?? Wow wobbler.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gaafan2 on September 17, 2018, 08:44:04 PM
There are no more melees nowadays than what there has been down through the years. The difference being now is social media puts it out there for the whole country to see. Pre-social media, unless a game was televised there would be little or no talk about a melee.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyHarp on September 17, 2018, 08:49:55 PM
There's a certain irony in this thread being started by a Meath man. I didn't even know violence existed in the GAA until 1996.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 17, 2018, 08:53:53 PM
I would tend to agree that there are fewer melees nowadays than there used to be. The difference I would say though is that there are greater injuries from them now as there's a bit less restraint and a lot more power in the strikes. Also as has been said the use of phone cameras makes it inevitable that they will hit social media whereas back when I played it was talked about in the pub afterwards, very often between the two people fighting!!!  I recently was talking to a fullback who would have marked me regularly and we made the very point that often enough we would have gone toe to toe and then drank in the club house after it. Hands were shook and that was that. I recently had an incident on the sideline when a manager had a go at me and threatened to break my jaw. Tempers were high as our player had been hurt and I wasn't pleased. After the game I went to him and wished him all the best and shook his hand. End of the matter. These things happen and it can be self managed but I do think there has to be some more emphasis placed on the people on the sideline from a very young age to temper their behaviour as patterns are created and young players develop their 'mindset' from a very young age. It's very hard to change them at 22-23.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 07:19:51 PM
That's an aside MacDonald.

But seeing as you've just reinforced your stance with a maxim that "anything goes", I'm just not sure where you'd draw the line between manning up and willingly executing physical pain on another human being.

I wouldn't like to be your dog or your missus after you've had a few, that's for sure.

So now I'm a wife beating, dog hitting alcoholic?? Wow wobbler.

No. You're someone who openly welcomes violent acts on a football field. That's all we know for sure. Everything else is me just wondering out loud about whether it's a continual theme in your life, or if you've managed to confine it to GAA matches
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2018, 08:49:55 PM
There's a certain irony in this thread being started by a Meath man. I didn't even know violence existed in the GAA until 1996.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tea.gif)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 09:43:54 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 07:19:51 PM
That's an aside MacDonald.

But seeing as you've just reinforced your stance with a maxim that "anything goes", I'm just not sure where you'd draw the line between manning up and willingly executing physical pain on another human being.

I wouldn't like to be your dog or your missus after you've had a few, that's for sure.

So now I'm a wife beating, dog hitting alcoholic?? Wow wobbler.

No. You're someone who openly welcomes violent acts on a football field. That's all we know for sure. Everything else is me just wondering out loud about whether it's a continual theme in your life, or if you've managed to confine it to GAA matches

Can't believe what I'm reading here. Are you being serious? I don't welcome them. I do accept that they do come with the territory. I hope they become less and less. But we are asking players to put in more and more effort, with this comes greater pressure and alot more will to win, so tempers will boil over. In my opinion there is a massive difference between a big row between 40 odd players / subs and a dirty act like kicking a man on a gorund. The kick is unacceptable. Rows come and go.

This whole thread is idicative of todays PC brigade trying to protect little Jonny from what the real world is like. Then said little Jonny grows up in a protective cocoon, and as soon as he's too old for mama's teet, he gets the shock of a lifetime.

Club championship is passionate football, rows will happen. Get a grip and move on.

And for the record I'm not married, have never hit a woman nor a dog. But in this brief flicking romance myself and you have had Wobbler I can already tell that no I wouldn't like you, because frankly you sound like a big nonce.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 17, 2018, 10:20:10 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 09:31:34 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 17, 2018, 08:49:55 PM
There's a certain irony in this thread being started by a Meath man. I didn't even know violence existed in the GAA until 1996.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tea.gif)

;D
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on September 17, 2018, 10:44:43 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 17, 2018, 08:53:53 PM
I would tend to agree that there are fewer melees nowadays than there used to be. The difference I would say though is that there are greater injuries from them now as there's a bit less restraint and a lot more power in the strikes. Also as has been said the use of phone cameras makes it inevitable that they will hit social media whereas back when I played it was talked about in the pub afterwards, very often between the two people fighting!!!  I recently was talking to a fullback who would have marked me regularly and we made the very point that often enough we would have gone toe to toe and then drank in the club house after it. Hands were shook and that was that. I recently had an incident on the sideline when a manager had a go at me and threatened to break my jaw. Tempers were high as our player had been hurt and I wasn't pleased. After the game I went to him and wished him all the best and shook his hand. End of the matter. These things happen and it can be self managed but I do think there has to be some more emphasis placed on the people on the sideline from a very young age to temper their behaviour as patterns are created and young players develop their 'mindset' from a very young age. It's very hard to change them at 22-23.

Fair enough H, but the games I seen you playing in where you were at your best, dirt wasn't involved. And to be fair to you, I never seen you instigate anything, it was always reactionary (I stand to be corrected on that!).

My focus on this debate, probably because I have kids of my own now playing the game, is the youth and keeping young ones interested in the game.

And it is not a snowflake stance.

What has changed in the past 20/30 years is the choice/lifestyle of youngsters. When we were growing up, did we ever miss a game because we were in Florida for three weeks, or had two family holidays in the summer? Or because we were training for Muy Thai or Jujitsu?
How many mountain bike trails were there? How many of us were allowed to play soccer or rugby?

Case in point, there was one young fella playing for us, great potential, strong as an ox - he is 14, and is now a national gymnastic champion, with no interest in Gaelic whatsoever.

The lives and choices now of teenagers is completely different to when we were growing up, where the first two questions that were asked when our family arrived at our holiday destination, in Connemara or Wicklow, "What time is Mass", and "can we get the Sunday Game on that TV?"

What I fear is a teenager/parent seeing these reports, they are not that attached to the GAA, and they think "feck that, not going to put myself/my son through that".

There is a turf war now for players to keep Gaelic on into their adult careers. This brutal aspect of the game could have serious consequences on our numbers.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thejuice on September 17, 2018, 10:58:45 PM
(https://www.ppai.ie/photos/public/large/53/851.jpg)

I've never seen nor heard of any violence in Meath football. It's only when them blaggards from the surrounding counties come and start upsetting the peace do we have to explain it to them in terms they'll only understand that we don't appreciate that type of thing.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 11:09:17 PM
Textbook manliness in that photo.
Yer man was clearly up to no good and Tommy's just letting him know the error of his ways.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2018, 11:18:27 PM
Didn't show what Pat Roe done to get that reaction,
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 11:09:17 PM
Textbook manliness in that photo.
Yer man was clearly up to no good and Tommy's just letting him know the error of his ways.

Lol. That was funny Jinxy.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thejuice on September 17, 2018, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 17, 2018, 11:18:27 PM
Didn't show what Pat Roe done to get that reaction,

He's wearing a Laois jersey for starters. It's just just plain rude.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 11:32:38 PM
Laois were notoriously filthy in those days.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trileacman on September 17, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28854.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28854.0)

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Rudi on September 18, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Whats the solution to the ugly scenes at the Edendork V Moy game?

Should both teams be expelled from this years Tyrone championship? This is completely unacceptable on a football field or do some people think its perfectly ok?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Armamike on September 18, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
Bit disappointed in Peter Canavan's reaction to it on Talk Sport yesterday.  Started off by basically saying Tyrone unfairly get the attention on these incidents.  Seemed a paranoid response and a bad attempt to deflect from a question on what he thought of the Cavanagh incident. 
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:38:58 AM
Didn't Peter get his jaw busted in the showers years ago?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on September 18, 2018, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:38:58 AM
Didn't Peter get his jaw busted in the showers years ago?

Other way around. He allegedly busted a mans eye and jaw after this man had broken Pascals jaw during the game.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyHarp on September 18, 2018, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: Armamike on September 18, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
Bit disappointed in Peter Canavan's reaction to it on Talk Sport yesterday.  Started off by basically saying Tyrone unfairly get the attention on these incidents.  Seemed a paranoid response and a bad attempt to deflect from a question on what he thought of the Cavanagh incident.

For me the problem is highlighted in Rudi's post above. He's listened to how this all has been reported and has it in his mind that there was ugly scenes in the Moy v Edendork game that warrants both teams kicked out. He seems to be of the opinion that there was a full scale brawl in that game and that both teams should be kicked out of the championship (The fact that there wasn't a brawl would tend to lean me towards the conclusion that incident was an accident) Like how does someone arrive at the view that a bad tackle by one player should result in both teams being kicked out? I'm not blaming Rudi here but somehow, in the way this has been reported an unfair picture has been painted of  that game in its entirety. Yes, there was sending offs and bad tackles but because a high profile player has been injured following on from a fight in a different game we have a scenario were every game is viewed through the lens of being "ugly". The Tyrone championship is one of the best in the country, 7 different winners in 7 years I think it was, the most competitive in the country where every team thinks they have a chance of progressing. Plus its do or die knock out after a summer sitting waiting for it to start. I'd recommend everyone who is hand wringing to go along and watch a game... you never know, you might just enjoy it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:56:36 AM
6 red cards, Benny.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: outinfront on September 18, 2018, 11:02:57 AM
Were any of the red cards straight red cards?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on September 18, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: outinfront on September 18, 2018, 11:02:57 AM
Were any of the red cards straight red cards?

I believe PC said none were straight reds on The Last word last night. They also said the Irish News reported* it wasn't a particularly dirty game.

* haven't read it myself
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: haranguerer on September 18, 2018, 11:06:13 AM
Quote from: trileacman on September 17, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
A lot of you lads want to have your cake and eat it too. Ye can't advocate schmoozles, melee etc but not want anyone to get hurt. Woolly did a podcast lately where pillar, mugsy and Barry Cahill sat around with a crowd gleefully recalling the battle of Omagh. The videos of Paudi o Se, 12 apostles, mickey Ned and Mick Lyons throwing punches are repeated here almost monthly with a sort of misty eyed romanticism of the days when football was "manly".

You're  basically all for rows and boys throwing punches into space but dead against it as soon as someone gets hurt. That's like being in favour of drink driving as long as nobody dies or relaxing building codes so long as no building collapses.

Schemozzles- the GAA version of a victimless crime.

There's a problem with violence in the GAA because there's a romanticism about the "manly" days of GAA when refs existed solely to keep note of the score. You've to tackle this attitude at the source and that means less reverence of the old team "enforcer" or whole team brawls. I fully expect a week long supply of articles from the Brolly, Spillane l, o rourke brigade about how this didn't happen in their day and within a fortnight they'll be on the circuit regalling crowds with the story of mickey Ned raising the Sam Maguire from his hospital bed.

This is spot on
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on September 18, 2018, 11:09:53 AM
Quote from: Rudi on September 18, 2018, 10:32:02 AM
Whats the solution to the ugly scenes at the Edendork V Moy game?

Should both teams be expelled from this years Tyrone championship? This is completely unacceptable on a football field or do some people think its perfectly ok?

What ugly scenes? Wasn't any ugly scenes in Moy v Edendork game.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on September 18, 2018, 11:20:59 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:56:36 AM
6 red cards, Benny.

And what? None of them straight. It wasn't a dirty game.
People who weren't at the game and haven't even seen a clip from it, spouting complete shite.

RE: The incident with Cavanagh, the boy was late. Was it deliberate? I don't know and I would like to see it again before I would conclusively say either way. The ref (who had a poor game) was right in front of it and he also consulted his linesman. That's the facts that no one can argue with. I'd like to see the incident again before I make a decision one way or another.

Perhaps people who weren't at the game or seen a video of it could also take such a measured approach.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: tonto1888 on September 18, 2018, 12:36:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 09:23:21 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 17, 2018, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on September 17, 2018, 07:19:51 PM
That's an aside MacDonald.

But seeing as you've just reinforced your stance with a maxim that "anything goes", I'm just not sure where you'd draw the line between manning up and willingly executing physical pain on another human being.

I wouldn't like to be your dog or your missus after you've had a few, that's for sure.

So now I'm a wife beating, dog hitting alcoholic?? Wow wobbler.

No. You're someone who openly welcomes violent acts on a football field. That's all we know for sure. Everything else is me just wondering out loud about whether it's a continual theme in your life, or if you've managed to confine it to GAA matches

No. You openly insinuated that he would beat his wife or dog after a few drinks. It was a terrible post.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: tonto1888 on September 18, 2018, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2018, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: Armamike on September 18, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
Bit disappointed in Peter Canavan's reaction to it on Talk Sport yesterday.  Started off by basically saying Tyrone unfairly get the attention on these incidents.  Seemed a paranoid response and a bad attempt to deflect from a question on what he thought of the Cavanagh incident.

For me the problem is highlighted in Rudi's post above. He's listened to how this all has been reported and has it in his mind that there was ugly scenes in the Moy v Edendork game that warrants both teams kicked out. He seems to be of the opinion that there was a full scale brawl in that game and that both teams should be kicked out of the championship (The fact that there wasn't a brawl would tend to lean me towards the conclusion that incident was an accident) Like how does someone arrive at the view that a bad tackle by one player should result in both teams being kicked out? I'm not blaming Rudi here but somehow, in the way this has been reported an unfair picture has been painted of  that game in its entirety. Yes, there was sending offs and bad tackles but because a high profile player has been injured following on from a fight in a different game we have a scenario were every game is viewed through the lens of being "ugly". The Tyrone championship is one of the best in the country, 7 different winners in 7 years I think it was, the most competitive in the country where every team thinks they have a chance of progressing. Plus its do or die knock out after a summer sitting waiting for it to start. I'd recommend everyone who is hand wringing to go along and watch a game... you never know, you might just enjoy it.

In fairness to Rudi he may have been getting games mixed up
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on September 18, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 18, 2018, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2018, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: Armamike on September 18, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
Bit disappointed in Peter Canavan's reaction to it on Talk Sport yesterday.  Started off by basically saying Tyrone unfairly get the attention on these incidents.  Seemed a paranoid response and a bad attempt to deflect from a question on what he thought of the Cavanagh incident.

For me the problem is highlighted in Rudi's post above. He's listened to how this all has been reported and has it in his mind that there was ugly scenes in the Moy v Edendork game that warrants both teams kicked out. He seems to be of the opinion that there was a full scale brawl in that game and that both teams should be kicked out of the championship (The fact that there wasn't a brawl would tend to lean me towards the conclusion that incident was an accident) Like how does someone arrive at the view that a bad tackle by one player should result in both teams being kicked out? I'm not blaming Rudi here but somehow, in the way this has been reported an unfair picture has been painted of  that game in its entirety. Yes, there was sending offs and bad tackles but because a high profile player has been injured following on from a fight in a different game we have a scenario were every game is viewed through the lens of being "ugly". The Tyrone championship is one of the best in the country, 7 different winners in 7 years I think it was, the most competitive in the country where every team thinks they have a chance of progressing. Plus its do or die knock out after a summer sitting waiting for it to start. I'd recommend everyone who is hand wringing to go along and watch a game... you never know, you might just enjoy it.

In fairness to Rudi he may have been getting games mixed up

Maybe, but he should check before he posts. This is what you're dealing with. People think the clip of Friday nights match is where Cavanagh's injuries came from.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Rudi on September 18, 2018, 01:03:17 PM
My apologies I did get games mixed up.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: general_lee on September 18, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
Team in Armagh apparently amassed 8 red cards in 4 championship games. Doesn't make good reading but from what I gather they weren't involved in any brawls. Sometimes when refs strictly lay down the law, especially in championship, tackles and challenges that one might get away with in the league are punished more strictly.  Could apply the same to Moy/Edendork's match
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyHarp on September 18, 2018, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 18, 2018, 12:38:26 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on September 18, 2018, 10:49:23 AM
Quote from: Armamike on September 18, 2018, 10:38:06 AM
Bit disappointed in Peter Canavan's reaction to it on Talk Sport yesterday.  Started off by basically saying Tyrone unfairly get the attention on these incidents.  Seemed a paranoid response and a bad attempt to deflect from a question on what he thought of the Cavanagh incident.

For me the problem is highlighted in Rudi's post above. He's listened to how this all has been reported and has it in his mind that there was ugly scenes in the Moy v Edendork game that warrants both teams kicked out. He seems to be of the opinion that there was a full scale brawl in that game and that both teams should be kicked out of the championship (The fact that there wasn't a brawl would tend to lean me towards the conclusion that incident was an accident) Like how does someone arrive at the view that a bad tackle by one player should result in both teams being kicked out? I'm not blaming Rudi here but somehow, in the way this has been reported an unfair picture has been painted of  that game in its entirety. Yes, there was sending offs and bad tackles but because a high profile player has been injured following on from a fight in a different game we have a scenario were every game is viewed through the lens of being "ugly". The Tyrone championship is one of the best in the country, 7 different winners in 7 years I think it was, the most competitive in the country where every team thinks they have a chance of progressing. Plus its do or die knock out after a summer sitting waiting for it to start. I'd recommend everyone who is hand wringing to go along and watch a game... you never know, you might just enjoy it.

In fairness to Rudi he may have been getting games mixed up

I know and I wasn't having a pop at him, my point was that when these things are reported, often a little hysterically in the media then the clarity of what happened often gets muddled up, I think this is what Canavan was trying to say about unfair reporting. I wonder how many people in pubs across Ireland were lamenting how Sean Cavanagh got badly injured in a brawl in a championship match in Tyrone? It then doesn't matter what the truth is because the story is out there. Rudi's post was a prime example of this happening.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on September 18, 2018, 04:12:39 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 18, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
Team in Armagh apparently amassed 8 red cards in 4 championship games. Doesn't make good reading but from what I gather they weren't involved in any brawls. Sometimes when refs strictly lay down the law, especially in championship, tackles and challenges that one might get away with in the league are punished more strictly.  Could apply the same to Moy/Edendork's match
I have heard (and this could just be rumour, but i came from a usually reliable source) that after the events of the friday night game, all referees in Tyrone where told to clamp down on everything for the subsequent championship games.
That might explain the high amount of cards the following day?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on September 18, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
Team in Armagh apparently amassed 8 red cards in 4 championship games. Doesn't make good reading but from what I gather they weren't involved in any brawls. Sometimes when refs strictly lay down the law, especially in championship, tackles and challenges that one might get away with in the league are punished more strictly.  Could apply the same to Moy/Edendork's match

At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..

in a league game you dont have the extra eyes so there is no getting away with it come championship, so if the norm in games is to blatter people then its very difficult to just change your stye of play, though the amount of cards I'm hearing lately in Tyrone seems well over the top
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Smokin Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM


At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..


Interesting.  So a linesman could tell you that you missed a double bounce ,or a touch on the ground, and you could blow for the free, even though you missed it yourself?
Not sure I've seen that happen.  Only ever seem to see linesman involved when there is physical contact.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: TabClear on September 18, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM


At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..


Interesting.  So a linesman could tell you that you missed a double bounce ,or a touch on the ground, and you could blow for the free, even though you missed it yourself?
Not sure I've seen that happen.  Only ever seem to see linesman involved when there is physical contact.

Did not know that either. Is that allowed under the rules or does it just happen in games?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Main Street on September 19, 2018, 05:54:01 PM
I have a bunch of 30 get-well-soon cards, each with an individual message of good will and hope for a comfortable recovery. My heart was troubled by the dark news coming out of Tyrone, re scenes of horrrific violence breaking out in a club game. Should I just send them to the local priest and he can dish them out on his hospital visits?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 19, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: TabClear on September 18, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM


At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..


Interesting.  So a linesman could tell you that you missed a double bounce ,or a touch on the ground, and you could blow for the free, even though you missed it yourself?
Not sure I've seen that happen.  Only ever seem to see linesman involved when there is physical contact.

Did not know that either. Is that allowed under the rules or does it just happen in games?

http://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/match-officials/linesmen

QuoteOne linesman patrols each sideline. They change sides at half-time.

What are the Duties of the Linesman?
The linesman indicates by flag signal:

  • When and where a ball crosses the sideline
  • Which side is entitled to the sideline kick or puck, and
  • Where the kick or puck is to be taken from

Powers of Linesmen
The linesman has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee. It is the duty of the linesman to report any such instances and his obligation is to do so by providing the factual situation regarding the instance.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 19, 2018, 06:06:46 PM
Where a team empties the bench during a row or supporters coming onto the field automatic kick them out! The there were 3 noted bad fights last year in Derry one of which continued in the car park after the game, a supporter attacked our goalkeeper taking a kick out during the game(literally you have to been there to believe it) combined with 10 plus supporters of the same team entering the following fray plus their 12+subs. Game went to a replay after been 5up before the row! Game was videoed by County board, not 1 player was suspended!! Anybody who viewed the video would automatically seen that team kicked out! County boards are not enforcing rules and poor suspension rules mean these incidents will reoccur! Look at Armagh U-20 getting numerous suspensions removed after emptying the bench against Tyrone!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 19, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: TabClear on September 18, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM


At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..


Interesting.  So a linesman could tell you that you missed a double bounce ,or a touch on the ground, and you could blow for the free, even though you missed it yourself?
Not sure I've seen that happen.  Only ever seem to see linesman involved when there is physical contact.

Did not know that either. Is that allowed under the rules or does it just happen in games?

http://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/match-officials/linesmen

QuoteOne linesman patrols each sideline. They change sides at half-time.

What are the Duties of the Linesman?
The linesman indicates by flag signal:

  • When and where a ball crosses the sideline
  • Which side is entitled to the sideline kick or puck, and
  • Where the kick or puck is to be taken from

Powers of Linesmen
The linesman has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee. It is the duty of the linesman to report any such instances and his obligation is to do so by providing the factual situation regarding the instance.

He may choose, was what I had in brackets in my post. The technical foul that was brought to my attention was when the keeper kicked the ball from his goal and the defender was too close, there was no arguing over it either as I'd positioned myself at the 45 to watch for the mark and my linesman was positioned on the 21..

Reason why I brought it up was I've sern and been involved where (in hurling) the ref can be caught out for square balls very easily, ball pucked downfield and ref just asks his umpires 'is the man in his be square?' Job done!

There is absolutely no reason for games where they are mic'd up that they can't use the lines man live. I've seen it at inter county games, I'd say it's all unofficial but it productive rather than counterproductive.

Another one that's not on that list Gab is telling the ref, from his position behind the ball from a free that it went over the bar or not,  as sometimes the umpire is not best positioned in certain pitches .

Again if common sense prevailed then it would run a lot smoother
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on September 19, 2018, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 19, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: TabClear on September 18, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM


At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..


Interesting.  So a linesman could tell you that you missed a double bounce ,or a touch on the ground, and you could blow for the free, even though you missed it yourself?
Not sure I've seen that happen.  Only ever seem to see linesman involved when there is physical contact.

Did not know that either. Is that allowed under the rules or does it just happen in games?

http://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/match-officials/linesmen

QuoteOne linesman patrols each sideline. They change sides at half-time.

What are the Duties of the Linesman?
The linesman indicates by flag signal:

  • When and where a ball crosses the sideline
  • Which side is entitled to the sideline kick or puck, and
  • Where the kick or puck is to be taken from

Powers of Linesmen
The linesman has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee. It is the duty of the linesman to report any such instances and his obligation is to do so by providing the factual situation regarding the instance.

He may choose, was what I had in brackets in my post. The technical foul that was brought to my attention was when the keeper kicked the ball from his goal and the defender was too close, there was no arguing over it either as I'd positioned myself at the 45 to watch for the mark and my linesman was positioned on the 21..

Reason why I brought it up was I've sern and been involved where (in hurling) the ref can be caught out for square balls very easily, ball pucked downfield and ref just asks his umpires 'is the man in his be square?' Job done!

There is absolutely no reason for games where they are mic'd up that they can't use the lines man live. I've seen it at inter county games, I'd say it's all unofficial but it productive rather than counterproductive.

Another one that's not on that list Gab is telling the ref, from his position behind the ball from a free that it went over the bar or not,  as sometimes the umpire is not best positioned in certain pitches .

Again if common sense prevailed then it would run a lot smoother

Thankless job. Not made any easier by the fact that to be a ref you a) have to be failed player and b)obnoxious as fcuk
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on September 19, 2018, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 19, 2018, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 19, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: TabClear on September 18, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM


At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..


Interesting.  So a linesman could tell you that you missed a double bounce ,or a touch on the ground, and you could blow for the free, even though you missed it yourself?
Not sure I've seen that happen.  Only ever seem to see linesman involved when there is physical contact.

Did not know that either. Is that allowed under the rules or does it just happen in games?

http://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/match-officials/linesmen

QuoteOne linesman patrols each sideline. They change sides at half-time.

What are the Duties of the Linesman?
The linesman indicates by flag signal:

  • When and where a ball crosses the sideline
  • Which side is entitled to the sideline kick or puck, and
  • Where the kick or puck is to be taken from

Powers of Linesmen
The linesman has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee. It is the duty of the linesman to report any such instances and his obligation is to do so by providing the factual situation regarding the instance.

He may choose, was what I had in brackets in my post. The technical foul that was brought to my attention was when the keeper kicked the ball from his goal and the defender was too close, there was no arguing over it either as I'd positioned myself at the 45 to watch for the mark and my linesman was positioned on the 21..

Reason why I brought it up was I've sern and been involved where (in hurling) the ref can be caught out for square balls very easily, ball pucked downfield and ref just asks his umpires 'is the man in his be square?' Job done!

There is absolutely no reason for games where they are mic'd up that they can't use the lines man live. I've seen it at inter county games, I'd say it's all unofficial but it productive rather than counterproductive.

Another one that's not on that list Gab is telling the ref, from his position behind the ball from a free that it went over the bar or not,  as sometimes the umpire is not best positioned in certain pitches .

Again if common sense prevailed then it would run a lot smoother

Thankless job. Not made any easier by the fact that to be a ref you a) have to be failed player and b)obnoxious as fcuk

Give respect, get respect
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2018, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 19, 2018, 07:41:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 19, 2018, 06:18:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 19, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Quote from: TabClear on September 18, 2018, 05:44:47 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on September 18, 2018, 05:38:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 18, 2018, 04:17:20 PM


At Championship the ref usually has his umpires and linesmen with radio contact, and he's talking to them, an umpire will draw his attention to a foul or off the ball incident but the ref will let play continue and eal with it afterwards, some linesmen will let you know straight away and you may (if you chose) make a call there and then based on his call, Ive done it recently and I think its a great idea, the linesman let me know about a technical foul i didnt seen and i blew the whistle..


Interesting.  So a linesman could tell you that you missed a double bounce ,or a touch on the ground, and you could blow for the free, even though you missed it yourself?
Not sure I've seen that happen.  Only ever seem to see linesman involved when there is physical contact.

Did not know that either. Is that allowed under the rules or does it just happen in games?

http://www.gaa.ie/my-gaa/match-officials/linesmen

QuoteOne linesman patrols each sideline. They change sides at half-time.

What are the Duties of the Linesman?
The linesman indicates by flag signal:

  • When and where a ball crosses the sideline
  • Which side is entitled to the sideline kick or puck, and
  • Where the kick or puck is to be taken from

Powers of Linesmen
The linesman has the power to bring to the attention of the referee, during a break in play, any instances of foul play or incursions onto the field of play which have not been noticed by the referee. It is the duty of the linesman to report any such instances and his obligation is to do so by providing the factual situation regarding the instance.

He may choose, was what I had in brackets in my post. The technical foul that was brought to my attention was when the keeper kicked the ball from his goal and the defender was too close, there was no arguing over it either as I'd positioned myself at the 45 to watch for the mark and my linesman was positioned on the 21..

Reason why I brought it up was I've sern and been involved where (in hurling) the ref can be caught out for square balls very easily, ball pucked downfield and ref just asks his umpires 'is the man in his be square?' Job done!

There is absolutely no reason for games where they are mic'd up that they can't use the lines man live. I've seen it at inter county games, I'd say it's all unofficial but it productive rather than counterproductive.

Another one that's not on that list Gab is telling the ref, from his position behind the ball from a free that it went over the bar or not,  as sometimes the umpire is not best positioned in certain pitches .

Again if common sense prevailed then it would run a lot smoother

Thankless job. Not made any easier by the fact that to be a ref you a) have to be failed player and b)obnoxious as fcuk

Great sweeping statement, have you a link to that? Or just made it up cause you're a) an obnoxious Cnut or possibly b) a Cnut?

;D
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: CJ2017 on September 20, 2018, 02:14:08 AM
Martin Breheny : Its time to use two referees

Interesting point made by Paul Earley on the quick kickout potential leading to more fouling and the increased speed of game nowadays. Never been a harder time to be a referee?!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-its-time-to-use-two-referees-35675499.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-its-time-to-use-two-referees-35675499.html)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Boycey on September 22, 2018, 08:33:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1043555879424065536?s=08

The Derry wans must be keeping this to themselves...

The lad running in clips the ref
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: shantygael on September 22, 2018, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Boycey on September 22, 2018, 08:33:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1043555879424065536?s=08
If  you had the sense to check the Derry club football page
first you would see  that they didn't keep it to themselves.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Boycey on September 22, 2018, 09:07:21 PM
Quote from: shantygael on September 22, 2018, 08:53:05 PM
Quote from: Boycey on September 22, 2018, 08:33:29 PM
https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1043555879424065536?s=08
If  you had the sense to check the Derry club football page
first you would see  that they didn't keep it to themselves.

I did look in there first and then decided they were keeping it to themselves  ;) I mean who else goes in there...

Whos got the other clip then.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 22, 2018, 09:24:44 PM
What two clubs is that?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Boycey on September 22, 2018, 09:38:32 PM
Screen and Greenlough..
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 22, 2018, 09:46:13 PM
Just greenlough at it, and screen behaved themselves unlike emptying the subs bench in the hurling the week before!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: GJL on September 22, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
Cowardly stuff by the guy who run on.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: shantygael on September 23, 2018, 01:43:35 AM
Quote from: GJL on September 22, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
Cowardly stuff by the guy who run on.
Yip, especially when he came up from behind to do it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 05, 2018, 12:04:30 AM
Move over Tyrone., Derry have hit the front in the thuggish element of club football!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: rionach 4 on October 05, 2018, 12:31:25 AM
Violence in our game is the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 05, 2018, 10:30:46 AM
The mask slips in Slaughtneil. Held up as some sort of super club. It appears after last nights video they are just another bunch of Derry thugs.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 10:35:55 AM
But it is more important to get a ball kicked backways from a sideline ball than to deal with the discipline problems. A lot of people running the game and most people in the media haven't got a clue.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 10:39:47 AM
Somebody is going to end up in jail for killing someone. It will happen!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on October 05, 2018, 10:43:38 AM
Is the claim on Derry thread correct? That the referee who got hit on Wednesday night was the eighth to get hit this year in Derry. One is a disgrace never mind 8.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Itchy on October 05, 2018, 10:54:25 AM
Having watched the video what stands out to me is a wee kid, maybe 10-12 yrs old, walking along side of pitch watching that, eventually the row moves right over to where he was standing. The row I don't see how it started but slaughtneil should get a 5k euro fine and maybe they would think twice about such scandalous carry on again.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 05, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
It's a bit rich the way they're held up as a houlier than thou club in Ulster. Successful, Football, Hurling, Camogie, Gaelteacht area, etc, etc, then they produce that carry on, the fight on pitch was bad enough but then the scenes with the supporters was utterly deplorable. Fines are not enough of a deterrent. What's needed is for teams to be removed from competitions, and long player bans that are actually enforced, and not overturned by Joe Brolly.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 11:16:32 AM
Punishments that might act as a detterent i.e. a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.

To The Club
Pitch closure for a year (don't totally agree with this but if an incident happened in an adult code then force them to play all games away the next year and let the youth play at home) - hits clubs in the pocket too
Ban from certain competitions the following year the major one being the championship

To The Player
12 month ban from playing

What happens at the minute
To The Club
Nothing or a small fine that some benefactor can pay

To The Player
One game ban!!!!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 05, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
It's a bit rich the way they're held up as a houlier than thou club in Ulster. Successful, Football, Hurling, Camogie, Gaelteacht area, etc, etc, then they produce that carry on, the fight on pitch was bad enough but then the scenes with the supporters was utterly deplorable. Fines are not enough of a deterrent. What's needed is for teams to be removed from competitions, and long player bans that are actually enforced, and not overturned by Joe Brolly.

can you give a few examples apart from Matt Fitzpatricks ?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 11:16:32 AM
Punishments that might act as a detterent i.e. a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.

To The Club
Pitch closure for a year (don't totally agree with this but if an incident happened in an adult code then force them to play all games away the next year and let the youth play at home) - hits clubs in the pocket too
Ban from certain competitions the following year the major one being the championship

To The Player
12 month ban from playing

What happens at the minute
To The Club
Nothing or a small fine that some benefactor can pay

To The Player
One game ban!!!!

I'd agree with all this. Supporters entering the field of play need the book thrown at them too
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyHarp on October 05, 2018, 12:24:04 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 10:35:55 AM
But it is more important to get a ball kicked backways from a sideline ball than to deal with the discipline problems. A lot of people running the game and most people in the media haven't got a clue.

The video doing the rounds does look bad. The GAA will probably bring in a rule banning mobile phones from matches.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 05, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 05, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
It's a bit rich the way they're held up as a houlier than thou club in Ulster. Successful, Football, Hurling, Camogie, Gaelteacht area, etc, etc, then they produce that carry on, the fight on pitch was bad enough but then the scenes with the supporters was utterly deplorable. Fines are not enough of a deterrent. What's needed is for teams to be removed from competitions, and long player bans that are actually enforced, and not overturned by Joe Brolly.

can you give a few examples apart from Matt Fitzpatricks ?

James Conway
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 05, 2018, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 11:16:32 AM
Punishments that might act as a detterent i.e. a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.

To The Club
Pitch closure for a year (don't totally agree with this but if an incident happened in an adult code then force them to play all games away the next year and let the youth play at home) - hits clubs in the pocket too
Ban from certain competitions the following year the major one being the championship

To The Player
12 month ban from playing

What happens at the minute
To The Club
Nothing or a small fine that some benefactor can pay

To The Player
One game ban!!!!

I'd agree with all this. Supporters entering the field of play need the book thrown at them too

The current sanctions are a joke.
The one game that strabane and stewartstown player got is ridiculous .

I think 12 months is never going to happen, so maybe lets start with an enforceable one. 6 games from all competitions, not this 1 game in the same competition sh1te.
You end up with the situation where players never actually serve a band if the team is promoted or relegated!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 05, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 05, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
It's a bit rich the way they're held up as a houlier than thou club in Ulster. Successful, Football, Hurling, Camogie, Gaelteacht area, etc, etc, then they produce that carry on, the fight on pitch was bad enough but then the scenes with the supporters was utterly deplorable. Fines are not enough of a deterrent. What's needed is for teams to be removed from competitions, and long player bans that are actually enforced, and not overturned by Joe Brolly.

can you give a few examples apart from Matt Fitzpatricks ?

James Conway

So 1. You may want to look a little closer to home when discussing solicitors getting bans overturned
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 02:22:24 PM
I agree that a number of games is better than months (sometimes in 6 months you would not miss too much) and also remove the rubbish of "same competition". You could take the head off a man in a senior game one week and get a red card and play the reserve game the following week!
Where is the leadership from the GAA? Where is the support for the county boards who have to investigate these incidents that are happening all over the country?
Apart from someone getting killed before this is taken seriously maybe referees refusing to officiate all games or games involving certain teams could have a big impact. That would certainly get this a bit of attention.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 05, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 05, 2018, 01:57:20 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: trailer on October 05, 2018, 11:01:08 AM
It's a bit rich the way they're held up as a houlier than thou club in Ulster. Successful, Football, Hurling, Camogie, Gaelteacht area, etc, etc, then they produce that carry on, the fight on pitch was bad enough but then the scenes with the supporters was utterly deplorable. Fines are not enough of a deterrent. What's needed is for teams to be removed from competitions, and long player bans that are actually enforced, and not overturned by Joe Brolly.

can you give a few examples apart from Matt Fitzpatricks ?

James Conway

So 1. You may want to look a little closer to home when discussing solicitors getting bans overturned

Err, sorry I didn't realise you were the defender of Joe Brolly. Powerful the coverage that 4G has, being able to read this forum inside Brolly's arsehole. Truly wonderful.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 05, 2018, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 02:22:24 PM
I agree that a number of games is better than months (sometimes in 6 months you would not miss too much) and also remove the rubbish of "same competition". You could take the head off a man in a senior game one week and get a red card and play the reserve game the following week!
Where is the leadership from the GAA? Where is the support for the county boards who have to investigate these incidents that are happening all over the country?
Apart from someone getting killed before this is taken seriously maybe referees refusing to officiate all games or games involving certain teams could have a big impact. That would certainly get this a bit of attention.
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Anyone I've spoken to in the last week or so, to a man they've all mentioned the inevitability of the refs taking a stand if this continues
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: general_lee on October 05, 2018, 03:03:30 PM
Forget fines or individual punishments. Ban them from adult football. Soon bring them into line.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Delegater on October 05, 2018, 03:09:10 PM
For all the faults I cannot remember hearing of any instance where a Tyrone referee was attacked. Martin Hurson in croke park being the obvious exception.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dire Ear on October 05, 2018, 03:34:41 PM
 :'(
Quote from: Delegater on October 05, 2018, 03:09:10 PM
For all the faults I cannot remember hearing of any instance where a Tyrone referee was attacked. Martin Hurson in croke park being the obvious exception.
:'(
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 05, 2018, 04:45:58 PM
Sludden, not Hurson
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
Would a criminal charge of assault and battery not put the breaks on this?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 05, 2018, 06:48:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
Would a criminal charge of assault and battery not put the breaks on this?

Find it incredible that any Gael would recommend this. Murky road, is a high tackle that lads to a red card an assault? Is a box to the ribs from a corner back to a corner forward battery? The problem is with the referees. Some are poorly trained, some are too arrogant, some just don't have a clue or want a clue. Not condoning any hitting or shoving of a ref but lets call it as it is.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 07:12:48 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 05, 2018, 06:48:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
Would a criminal charge of assault and battery not put the breaks on this?

Find it incredible that any Gael would recommend this. Murky road, is a high tackle that lads to a red card an assault? Is a box to the ribs from a corner back to a corner forward battery? The problem is with the referees. Some are poorly trained, some are too arrogant, some just don't have a clue or want a clue. Not condoning any hitting or shoving of a ref but lets call it as it is.

So all the fights are down to the ref? Hmmm, lazy excuse
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dec on October 05, 2018, 07:14:03 PM
The problem with poor referees is caused by the lack of respect and abuse they receive from players, mentors and spectators. Because of this there are probably many people who are put off the idea of becoming referees.

This leads to there being not enough referees and poor referees not being weeded out because there aren't sufficient replacements.

Clubs should be rewarded for having members become refs (eg extra allocation of All-Ireland tickets etc.) If a player, mentor or identifiable supporter makes contact with a ref the club should be punished enough to make it a real deterrent.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Olly on October 05, 2018, 07:18:03 PM
I think the whole brexit stuff has people on edge in the north
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
Two players fighting has f**k all to do with a ref, players running on to the pitch has nothing to do with the ref.. 30 players wanting to fight it out, again nothing to do with the ref..

A ref making a 'mistake' (in the eyes of a player) does not mean they can knock shite out of each other.. once people understand that then we can talk sense. The stupid age old cry of ' you caused that ref' is said by stupid people

I've played football and hurling well into my 40's, I've never hit anyone because of the ref
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: The Trap on October 05, 2018, 10:42:29 PM
Was watching the rugby between ulster and connacht and the respect for the referee and the authority of the referee is absolute. It should be what the GAA aspire to. If the diktat came from the top and money spent to educate everyone with proper enforcement and  proper punishment for non compliance this could be achievable. Surely this should be a priority
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 05, 2018, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
Two players fighting has f**k all to do with a ref, players running on to the pitch has nothing to do with the ref.. 30 players wanting to fight it out, again nothing to do with the ref..

A ref making a 'mistake' (in the eyes of a player) does not mean they can knock shite out of each other.. once people understand that then we can talk sense. The stupid age old cry of ' you caused that ref' is said by stupid people

I've played football and hurling well into my 40's, I've never hit anyone because of the ref

Players galore beating the crap out of each other and supporters shouting f**k sake ref.... what do they expect from the ref??
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 10:52:30 PM
During any of the action when the players knock f**k out of each other did the supporters run on to the pitch and cause a melee?

And why are you talking about the ref? The players have enough cop on not to lose the run of themselves and not take every tackle/hit personal, and lash out at each other.. stop talking about the ref please, you are making yourself very foolish
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 10:55:03 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 05, 2018, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
Two players fighting has f**k all to do with a ref, players running on to the pitch has nothing to do with the ref.. 30 players wanting to fight it out, again nothing to do with the ref..

A ref making a 'mistake' (in the eyes of a player) does not mean they can knock shite out of each other.. once people understand that then we can talk sense. The stupid age old cry of ' you caused that ref' is said by stupid people

I've played football and hurling well into my 40's, I've never hit anyone because of the ref

Players galore beating the crap out of each other and supporters shouting f**k sake ref.... what do they expect from the ref??

The ref shouldn't have started it, he was seen throwing a cheeky punch before the video was taken, he was also heard shouting at a player his ma was a slut!

He'd the cheek to not even step and stop it!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 05, 2018, 11:09:21 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 05, 2018, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
Two players fighting has f**k all to do with a ref, players running on to the pitch has nothing to do with the ref.. 30 players wanting to fight it out, again nothing to do with the ref..

A ref making a 'mistake' (in the eyes of a player) does not mean they can knock shite out of each other.. once people understand that then we can talk sense. The stupid age old cry of ' you caused that ref' is said by stupid people

I've played football and hurling well into my 40's, I've never hit anyone because of the ref

Players galore beating the crap out of each other and supporters shouting f**k sake ref.... what do they expect from the ref??
That's true.
There are incidents that develop out of how the game is reffed though. Players will push the boundaries. If a ref doesn't put someone off when it appears he should have, the next player will plough in with his version of a "similar challenge". Then it gets out of hand very easily.

More crap, a player hits another player cause he wants to, the ref has nothing to do with it, this is a lazy excuse but carry on justifying it by blaming ref..

I've seen plenty games were the ref has been atrocious but no one thought, let's have a fight cause the ref is rubbish today!



Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Itchy on October 05, 2018, 11:31:15 PM
It's simple, rule from croke park is needed. Multi player brawl means both teams hit with compulsory fine in the thousands or expulsion from next year's championship. Mass brawls will end over night.

GAA top brass needs to lead on this now. This is putting parents off send kids to gaa when they grown men acting like common street thugs
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 11:43:05 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 05, 2018, 11:23:07 PM
If you think that how the game is being reffed and what he's letting go can't influence players' actions, you've lost it.
For example, if a player gets a slap and the ref doesn't act. Through frustration & a sense that justice isn't being done, he retaliates. Row breaks out. Had the ref acted initially- no row.
Of course, this isn't always the case but it can happen.

So you're justifying it? Hmmm

So if I give you a slap and the ref doesn't see it or react the way you want then frustration makes you want to take the law into your own hands and retaliate?

I've seen muppets react to a tough tackle and look up at the ref gurning for a free, not get it and run after the next person and blatter him and say 'you caused that' !

Play the game to the whistle, play hard as you want within the rules and go home without making a dick of yourself.

It's attitude like that, that actually gives morons a licence to think they can get away with it because the ref didn't give him what he wanted..

If two players want to go toe to toe then knock yourselves out, the dicks that way in and balloons who jump the fence neeed to seriously look at themselves

I can't believe people are blaming the refs for these incidents, firstly on secondhand word of mouth or a two minute video, hyperbole
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 11:55:53 PM
You said had the ref refereed it right then no fights! That's a stupid comment..

I've played in countless games or managed the team were I thought the ref was poor, it didn't end in a brawl, and by the same token the best ref who's ref'd a tough championship match and caught all the incidents but hey ho, mass brawl kicks off, refs fault of course.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2018, 12:05:05 AM
Quote from: hardstation on October 05, 2018, 11:59:12 PM
Poor refereeing decisions can play a part in rows breaking out.

Nothing stupid about that.

Poor indisciplined players/supporters cause more rows than a ref.

I've never seen a ref lash out during a match and I could tell you there are plenty times in a game that supporters lose the run of themselves and could go with a good kicking, but hey the ref takes that and doesn't start a mass brawl

That's not me talking as a ref, that is coming completely from a past player/manager
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on October 06, 2018, 08:33:44 AM
Blaming referrees is for large brawls is typical of players and their refusal to accept personal responsibility. If every player who was fouled/hit late retaliated because he didn't get a free or his opponent booked/sent off there would be rows in every game.
Why does the ref keep getting blamed and personal responsibility for players is blatantly ignored. That's part of the problem there. Also the refusal to accept suspensions in GAA is something you don't see in other sports.

County boards/Croke park need to show some moral courage and start suspending/disqualifying teams from championships when they get into huge brawls. Fines don't work.

We had the farcical situation in the summer when Tyrone & Armagh u20s had players suspended only to appeal and have them all reversed. The outrage would have been funny if it wasn't true. Imagine the cheek to suspend players for fighting!!!! Should have just kicked both teams out of the competition. It's been done to Dublin in the past so the precedence is there
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 06, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
1 rule needed to stop brawls. 3rd person in automatic red card and 6 month ban. Soon put the brakes on all out melees.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: stephenite on October 06, 2018, 09:48:19 AM
Both Derry clubs should be suspended from the association for 12 months. All teams amd all competitions.

Not a chance it will happen but that sort of behaviour is appalling.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 06, 2018, 10:19:21 AM
It has to be more than the 3rd man in; the following 4&5th men in need tp pick up suspension too: Mark Lynch got the line for 3rd man into a scuffle against kildare but it kicked off with the 4th man the keeper entering the scuffle@! Still wasnt a punch thrown but 3rd man got the line
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: theticklemister on October 06, 2018, 10:26:05 AM
When's the last time you seen a man get a black cards for third man entry?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on October 06, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
The video showed the complete lack of respect there is within the GAA for others outside their own team. A lot of members don't respect their opponents, officials, club committee, county board other team supporters. It seems to be fair game to say what you want about them and at times do what you want.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on October 06, 2018, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 06, 2018, 09:48:19 AM
Both Derry clubs should be suspended from the association for 12 months. All teams amd all competitions.

Not a chance it will happen but that sort of behaviour is appalling.
You can't just make up new punishments as this is why teams appeal and get off. Which makes it worse.

New rules need to be implemented. Such as limiting how many can be along the side line. Do other sports have as many inside the wire? 10 subs, 2 from management team and 1 medical person would be more than enough.
New rule that if subs enter playing area without subs slip they get a ban.
Anyone outside the wire who enters gets an even tougher ban.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2018, 10:58:43 AM
My own club has been involved in these types of incidents over the years. More than I'd like to admit. Some reactionary, some where we were instigators. All of them wrong. I go to games these days and fear it. My youngest son hates going to games and won't play because of what he has seen on the field. I try to say to him that it's not normally like this but who am I kidding. I will go to a minor final tonight and a senior senior tomorrow night, both games against fierce rivals of ours in Armagh Harps and Cullyhanna. There will be incidents. There will be fights. There will be blow ups in the crowd possibly. How do I say to my youngest son to come and cheer his cousin on? I love the game and I live the game. I will be on a field at 10 tomorrow morning coaching u12s and trying to instill what I can in them. As a coach I want to make them better footballers, I want to help them win stuff, I love the thrill of seeing them do well, I dread the sense of devastation they have when they lose. But they are kids. What I try as best as possible is to make them be respectful win or lose. If they are a bit better footballers when they leave my time with them but much better young men then I've done my job.

This leads me to the issue of violence. It's is ingrained from too many levels. It is bred from underage. I see it through lack of discipline and respect at younger levels. If they don't learn the lessons then they will continue into adult hood and then it's gone. There has to be a long term approach to change this, between players and club members. A lot of the anger on the field can be driven from the crowd as well. 'FFS are you gonna stand up to them and hit them a slap?'  'Don't let thon yella f**ker do that to you?'  Guess what, players are well fit to mind themselves without the 'fans' encouraging violence. Time to have a change
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Substandard on October 06, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 06, 2018, 10:58:43 AM
My own club has been involved in these types of incidents over the years. More than I'd like to admit. Some reactionary, some where we were instigators. All of them wrong. I go to games these days and fear it. My youngest son hates going to games and won't play because of what he has seen on the field. I try to say to him that it's not normally like this but who am I kidding. I will go to a minor final tonight and a senior senior tomorrow night, both games against fierce rivals of ours in Armagh Harps and Cullyhanna. There will be incidents. There will be fights. There will be blow ups in the crowd possibly. How do I say to my youngest son to come and cheer his cousin on? I love the game and I live the game. I will be on a field at 10 tomorrow morning coaching u12s and trying to instill what I can in them. As a coach I want to make them better footballers, I want to help them win stuff, I love the thrill of seeing them do well, I dread the sense of devastation they have when they lose. But they are kids. What I try as best as possible is to make them be respectful win or lose. If they are a bit better footballers when they leave my time with them but much better young men then I've done my job.

This leads me to the issue of violence. It's is ingrained from too many levels. It is bred from underage. I see it through lack of discipline and respect at younger levels. If they don't learn the lessons then they will continue into adult hood and then it's gone. There has to be a long term approach to change this, between players and club members. A lot of the anger on the field can be driven from the crowd as well. 'FFS are you gonna stand up to them and hit them a slap?'  'Don't let thon yella f**ker do that to you?'  Guess what, players are well fit to mind themselves without the 'fans' encouraging violence. Time to have a change

It takes a while to change or instil a culture within a group, a team and ultimately the club- I always think that values are as important as skills, or at least should complement them, when coaching.  I spend most of my time coaching schools teams, and while there are occasionally dust-ups, they are much rarer than the club scene.  I'd say partially because there would be more of a sense of discipline through the school environment, whereas with clubs you will come across volatile coaches/ outright lunatics over teams, which only further raises the likelihood of incidents, from u12 to adult level.
One thing I've often wondered about which might help would be for referees to rate teams in terms of players', management and supporters conduct, and that at the end of the year clubs be rewarded based on the overall scores. 
Best of luck with the upcoming games!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: angermanagement on October 06, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 06, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
1 rule needed to stop brawls. 3rd person in automatic red card and 6 month ban. Soon put the brakes on all out melees.

I think the idea sounds great, but what if a young player is getting a real hammering from his opponent, surely running in and trying to stop it shouldn't result in a 6 month ban.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2018, 03:36:59 PM
Each incident should be dealt with on its own merits, should the ref be lucky enough with having other officials with him then he can get more, but be rest assured he'll not see everything or be able to control it on his own.. so generally he'll always get the the first man in, after that it's generally a free for all! Impossible unless in front of him..

I've pulled many a mentor over the years about their language and how they tell their players to deal with him, or take him out! Rotten and generally the same teams
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 06, 2018, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 06, 2018, 02:03:10 PM
Quote from: angermanagement on October 06, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 06, 2018, 08:38:42 AM
1 rule needed to stop brawls. 3rd person in automatic red card and 6 month ban. Soon put the brakes on all out melees.

I think the idea sounds great, but what if a young player is getting a real hammering from his opponent, surely running in and trying to stop it shouldn't result in a 6 month ban.
It doesn't sound great at all. The 3rd man in shouldn't carry the can for the trampy behaviour of the 4th, 5th, nth man in. Also, as you sort of point out, the 3rd man mightn't actually be doing much wrong. Each individual's actions have to be viewed and punished consistently. A punch being thrown when there are 2 men involved is the same as a punch being thrown when there are 30 men involved and it must be punished equally. If we are to increase the punishment for striking, it must be all striking. If the GAA wanted to show that fighting won't be tolerated, 6 months automatically for striking would begin to tackle the problem. Seems harsh in the current environment but if you have a problem and you want it sorted, you put a bloody big deterrent in place and punish the shite outta people. It would initially be a bit of a culture shock but eventually it would just be accepted as the norm.

The 3rd man in red card is already in place. Think the suspension is min 1 game and then whatever the ref has in his report
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: David McKeown on October 06, 2018, 04:56:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
Two players fighting has f**k all to do with a ref, players running on to the pitch has nothing to do with the ref.. 30 players wanting to fight it out, again nothing to do with the ref..

A ref making a 'mistake' (in the eyes of a player) does not mean they can knock shite out of each other.. once people understand that then we can talk sense. The stupid age old cry of ' you caused that ref' is said by stupid people

I've played football and hurling well into my 40's, I've never hit anyone because of the ref

I don't entirely agree that refs are always blameless. I've been involved in plenty of games where referees have contributed to escalating tensions. Is it their fault? No but they definitely can contribute. To give an example. We had a soccer match last year to pick up the league title. The opposition were determined to spoil the party by fair means or foul. As the game continued the tackles got far worse to the point they were dangerous yet the ref issued no cards or warnings. When we spoke to the ref about this the response came "sure you are Champions only right they get to have a go". About ten minutes from the end our best player was the victim of a fifth or sixth two footed lunge from the same opposition player. The ref sent him off. On the way off he ran over to the kid whose leg he just broke and started punching him "for getting him sent off" . Now the violence was the players fault but it could have been easily avoided had the referee done his job properly. So I don't agree that referees are always blameless.

There are incidents of violence which will occur regardless of the referee but there are others that can be avoided if a referee is fair and consistent
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 06, 2018, 05:12:59 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 06, 2018, 04:56:33 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 07:54:41 PM
Two players fighting has f**k all to do with a ref, players running on to the pitch has nothing to do with the ref.. 30 players wanting to fight it out, again nothing to do with the ref..

A ref making a 'mistake' (in the eyes of a player) does not mean they can knock shite out of each other.. once people understand that then we can talk sense. The stupid age old cry of ' you caused that ref' is said by stupid people

I've played football and hurling well into my 40's, I've never hit anyone because of the ref

I don't entirely agree that refs are always blameless. I've been involved in plenty of games where referees have contributed to escalating tensions. Is it their fault? No but they definitely can contribute. To give an example. We had a soccer match last year to pick up the league title. The opposition were determined to spoil the party by fair means or foul. As the game continued the tackles got far worse to the point they were dangerous yet the ref issued no cards or warnings. When we spoke to the ref about this the response came "sure you are Champions only right they get to have a go". About ten minutes from the end our best player was the victim of a fifth or sixth two footed lunge from the same opposition player. The ref sent him off. On the way off he ran over to the kid whose leg he just broke and started punching him "for getting him sent off" . Now the violence was the players fault but it could have been easily avoided had the referee done his job properly. So I don't agree that referees are always blameless.

There are incidents of violence which will occur regardless of the referee but there are others that can be avoided if a referee is fair and consistent

And clearly that ref was a p***k, but players management should control their players and not heightened the issues before walking out onto the pitch..

Look I'm not saying all refs are great at controlling a game but in the main, it's players who start fighting
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
The Down football match putting a new spin on the usual "spectators jumping the wire."
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: paddyjohn on October 07, 2018, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
The Down football match putting a new spin on the usual "spectators jumping the wire."

Mental stuff. Disgusting! This was a replay after the first game was abandoned due to boxing!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on October 07, 2018, 09:29:25 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
The Down football match putting a new spin on the usual "spectators jumping the wire."

That wasn't handbags either. Some serious punches thrown and I'm surprised no one got seriously hurt.

It sounds terrible but until someone does get seriously hurt the GAA won't do anything about it.

Even if they issue multiple suspensions to the players from the the 2 club's in down you know both clubs will appeal the suspensions on the grounds like the i wasn't dotted on the ref's  report or some other ridiculous technicality. Goes on all over the country from junior club's all the way up to and including inter county teams.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: The Trap on October 07, 2018, 09:35:31 PM
Do any of the GAA top brass see these videos?  Do they have any thoughts? Would they care to share them?
Or are they too worried about ways to make more money?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2018, 09:40:59 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on October 07, 2018, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
The Down football match putting a new spin on the usual "spectators jumping the wire."

Mental stuff. Disgusting! This was a replay after the first game was abandoned due to boxing!
May do like soccer and play behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 07, 2018, 10:13:32 PM
Shocking scenes. That was worse than what went on in Vegas and look at the press reaction to that. It's over to the DCB now.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 07, 2018, 11:29:23 PM
Now thats as bad as anything i seen in a long time! Literally started between 2 clowns in the stand! Kick both teams down a division be the sorta punishment that would only work there! Its obvious minor fines and clubs contesting suspensions handed out to any player is not the solution to preventing these scenes reoccuring!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 07, 2018, 11:32:53 PM
On another matter this could nearly be a 6 county thread! Either theres a inferior complex happening or every clown running round thinking hes Conor McGregor
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thejuice on October 08, 2018, 12:11:55 AM
At the very least this shite is just embarrassing to look at. We have many detractors around these days and this just plays into their hands. Wild uncivilized boggers. Living up to the stereotypes.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyHarp on October 08, 2018, 12:25:35 AM
Quote from: paddyjohn on October 07, 2018, 09:25:00 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 07, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
The Down football match putting a new spin on the usual "spectators jumping the wire."

Mental stuff. Disgusting! This was a replay after the first game was abandoned due to boxing!

Was it not a league game? Why would they bother replaying a league game if the first game was abandoned due to fighting? Madness!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2018, 09:22:30 AM
What I don't understand is why the players needed to get involved with a few lads laying on a few slaps.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2018, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2018, 09:22:30 AM
What I don't understand is why the players needed to get involved with a few lads laying on a few slaps.

Fair play the No.20 from Downpatrick stayed on the pitch and didn't look to get involved.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2018, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2018, 09:22:30 AM
What I don't understand is why the players needed to get involved with a few lads laying on a few slaps.

Fair play the No.20 from Downpatrick stayed on the pitch and didn't look to get involved.

It's an awful indictment that you have to commend someone for not getting involved in a fight.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2018, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2018, 09:22:30 AM
What I don't understand is why the players needed to get involved with a few lads laying on a few slaps.

Fair play the No.20 from Downpatrick stayed on the pitch and didn't look to get involved.

It's an awful indictment that you have to commend someone for not getting involved in a fight.

No doubt his team mates probably have him down as a yella bastard
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2018, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2018, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2018, 09:22:30 AM
What I don't understand is why the players needed to get involved with a few lads laying on a few slaps.

Fair play the No.20 from Downpatrick stayed on the pitch and didn't look to get involved.

It's an awful indictment that you have to commend someone for not getting involved in a fight.

No doubt his team mates probably have him down as a yella b**tard

Cowardly Cnut in my eyes....
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 08, 2018, 11:46:56 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2018, 11:43:54 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:41:08 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on October 08, 2018, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 08, 2018, 09:22:30 AM
What I don't understand is why the players needed to get involved with a few lads laying on a few slaps.

Fair play the No.20 from Downpatrick stayed on the pitch and didn't look to get involved.

It's an awful indictment that you have to commend someone for not getting involved in a fight.

No doubt his team mates probably have him down as a yella b**tard

Cowardly Cnut in my eyes....

Probably couldn't climb the fence the fat f**ker
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:53:59 AM
I see bbc news NI have sent Colm Parkinson a DM asking to follow so it will be on the news/Nolan show soon I would say
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 08, 2018, 12:39:01 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:53:59 AM
I see bbc news NI have sent Colm Parkinson a DM asking to follow so it will be on the news/Nolan show soon I would say

It's a pity they aren't so keen to show any (non-violent) action from the club championships across the 6Cs.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 08, 2018, 02:15:26 PM
Every other weeks there's melees breaking out at the moment.  Surely Ulster GAA/ Croke Park have to get involved at some point.  As someone has mentioned here before, does it have to result in someone getting killed  before actions are taken?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: shantygael on October 08, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 08, 2018, 12:39:01 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:53:59 AM
I see bbc news NI have sent Colm Parkinson a DM asking to follow so it will be on the news/Nolan show soon I would say

It's a pity they aren't so keen to show any (non-violent) action from the club championships across the 6Cs.
A bit like Eddie Mahon from the Derry journal. Only reports  the negative news about the gaa.and pure anti dub. He must have milked it for a couple of months whenever Derry city didn't get the use of Celtic park.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2018, 02:51:39 PM
https://www.midulstermail.co.uk/news/man-freed-after-footballer-s-death-1-1790182

A MAN who caused the death of a Cookstown solicitor during a football match more than two years ago walked free from court on Friday. At an earlier court, Seamus Seaton (19) from Norglen Parade, Belfast, had admitted the manslaughter of Brian Reid (25) from Drumgrass Road in the Churchtown area. Mr Reid died after he was punched on the head by Seaton during a football match in Belfast City Playing Fields at Mallusk on October 21, 2000.

Read more at: https://www.midulstermail.co.uk/news/man-freed-after-footballer-s-death-1-1790182

This is just the start of the article and you can read the rest if you want. Brian Reid was a friend of mine at university and we were in the same tutorial group doing our professional exams. A single punch to the head and he died. This could happen to anyone of these people in these mass brawls and one of these days it will. It sickens my hole when I hear about men saying you can't be a true Gael if you report it to the police. If someone blindsides you and breaks your jaw you've every god given right to do whatever is necessary for justice. Maybe it will take a high profile legal case to bring the matter to a head. It's not brave or manly or anything close to that to swing a Thump or a kick into a crowd or into some mans jaw when they are not watching as often happens in these rows. Time to f**king stop it and that's that.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on October 08, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Agreed, it wasn't that long ago that young fella from Fermanagh was assaulted in a game out in the States and that nearly ended in tragedy, I don't think he really recovered from that incident either and his life is forever changed.  There is feckall respect in GAA these days. 
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 08, 2018, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: shantygael on October 08, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on October 08, 2018, 12:39:01 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:53:59 AM
I see bbc news NI have sent Colm Parkinson a DM asking to follow so it will be on the news/Nolan show soon I would say

It's a pity they aren't so keen to show any (non-violent) action from the club championships across the 6Cs.
A bit like Eddie Mahon from the Derry journal. Only reports  the negative news about the gaa. and pure anti dub. He must have milked it for a couple of months whenever Derry city didn't get the use of Celtic park.

Eddie is a right winge-bag alright, but is much better craic in person than in print. He was a handy footballer, used to play midfield for a very good Newbridge team back in the day
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 08, 2018, 03:56:54 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on October 08, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Agreed, it wasn't that long ago that young fella from Fermanagh was assaulted in a game out in the States and that nearly ended in tragedy, I don't think he really recovered from that incident either and his life is forever changed.  There is feckall respect in GAA these days.

He got a job with the GAA - he's working in Croke Park
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: yellowcard on October 08, 2018, 05:13:35 PM
I know of several county boards in Ulster who are dishing out fines to clubs of up to €500 for petty technical infringements such as players not wearing correct numbers, too many personnel inside the pitch, team changes not being notified to the announcer before a match.

The same county boards meanwhile will brush violent brawls and physical fights under the carpet. Until the county boards start taking these things seriously this will continue until someone gets seriously injured or worse.     
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 08, 2018, 05:27:42 PM
I agree county boards need to do more, but I wonder are their hands tied? What's the point dishing out suspensions if they know they'll never stick? Rule changes needed, but it's not a shot clock...
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 06:00:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2018, 11:53:59 AM
I see bbc news NI have sent Colm Parkinson a DM asking to follow so it will be on the news/Nolan show soon I would say

They probably had to Google him to see who he was.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 08, 2018, 08:13:37 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.

Has Parkinson reported it?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.

You're right, the incident in portlaoise was far worse. At least nobody in Down or Derry got seriously hurt.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.

You're right, the incident in portlaoise was far worse. At least nobody in Down or Derry got seriously hurt.
Yeah sure it was. It's great to see players and spectators bate the head of each other. Classy Nordies....
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyHarp on October 08, 2018, 09:08:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.

You're right, the incident in portlaoise was far worse. At least nobody in Down or Derry got seriously hurt.

Try telling that to the player in Down who got his jaw and eye socket broken.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 08, 2018, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.

You're right, the incident in portlaoise was far worse. At least nobody in Down or Derry got seriously hurt.
Yeah sure it was. It's great to see players and spectators bate the head of each other. Classy Nordies....

We all have to weigh in together on this issue as its a country wide problem. Arguing over levels of scumminess on a gaa pitch won't help
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: charlieTully on October 08, 2018, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.

You're right, the incident in portlaoise was far worse. At least nobody in Down or Derry got seriously hurt.
Yeah sure it was. It's great to see players and spectators bate the head of each other. Classy Nordies....

One of the most infamous brawls in the history of the game involves your county.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on October 08, 2018, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.

You're right, the incident in portlaoise was far worse. At least nobody in Down or Derry got seriously hurt.
Yeah sure it was. It's great to see players and spectators bate the head of each other. Classy Nordies....

One of the most infamous brawls in the history of the game involves your county.
When men were men. Was only handbags stuff though when you look back at it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2018, 12:56:23 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 08, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
Quote from: laoislad on October 08, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 08, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
Lad hospitalised in Laois yesterday. Lost teeth too. Not an Ulster only problem.
From getting a belt during the game, not from running the length of pitch, hopping over a fence and fighting with spectators.  Hardly the same thing now is it.

You're right, the incident in portlaoise was far worse. At least nobody in Down or Derry got seriously hurt.
Yeah sure it was. It's great to see players and spectators bate the head of each other. Classy Nordies....

I know you're on the wind up here but no one is squeaky clean on this one Laoislad as its not that long ago Camross and Castletown ( I think)  were hammering lumps out of each other, a very young Zane Keenan getting a hammering.


Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Captain Scarlet on October 10, 2018, 09:45:07 AM
Exactly on this we can't go all Theresa May and have a hard fuckin border. It's far from just Ulster.
If two lads are at each other and one lad gets a clean dig in I wouldn't condone it, but they are fully grown men acting like eejits who are toe to toe.
Suckers punches and lads baling in, a one-in all-in type thing is a massively different thing.

Refs are in a bind on this too as in some clubs there is a madness whereby if they law down the law sure they could be gone for.
A fine will hit any club hardest these days so there needs to be a mechanism in place.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 10, 2018, 10:06:49 AM
Part of this is a Disciplinary committee issue. With Stewartstown V Strabane the suspensions were exactly the same. I think 7 each. How many times do we see this? If anything this makes a mockery of the process. If someone breaks the rules they should be punished. It shouldn't be based on having even numbers from both protagonists.
Clubs look at this and see it as a  ;) ;) don't do that again now.  ;) ;) we could've been harder on you  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
I firmly believe that in bad cases there should be prosecutions. I have seen a few things over the years, one incident in particular stands out, where boys should have got a criminal record for their antics. Unfortunately in our case some in the club tried and some refused to follow this line as the attitude to police in the north wasn't good at the time. This was about 15 years ago so I would hope it has changed mind.

It's the best way to stop it in my view. I am not sure whether southern clubs would pursue this with the gardai or not mind. It's like the law stops before you go into a GAA ground for some people.

I am not talking for 2 guys digging on or off the ball but when you get boys wading in, punching people in the back of the head and doing things like fracturing eye sockets and broken jaws for boys who are doing nothing but trying to break a fight up. Sometimes people suffer from being unable to work off the back of these things too.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
I firmly believe that in bad cases there should be prosecutions. I have seen a few things over the years, one incident in particular stands out, where boys should have got a criminal record for their antics. Unfortunately in our case some in the club tried and some refused to follow this line as the attitude to police in the north wasn't good at the time. This was about 15 years ago so I would hope it has changed mind.

It's the best way to stop it in my view. I am not sure whether southern clubs would pursue this with the gardai or not mind. It's like the law stops before you go into a GAA ground for some people.

I am not talking for 2 guys digging on or off the ball but when you get boys wading in, punching people in the back of the head and doing things like fracturing eye sockets and broken jaws for boys who are doing nothing but trying to break a fight up. Sometimes people suffer from being unable to work off the back of these things too.

Where any lads done by the police when our own Ref was attacked in Ballymena a few years ago? I said it before on here and a gael was against it! Strange one. If you were punched in the side of the head on the street and you knew their names surely you would report it? 
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: illdecide on October 10, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
Could someone please point out why Sean Cavanagh's face was on the news last night when discussing the recent fighting at GAA matches, sure that was an accidental tackle and the lad was cleared by Tyrone Co Board so why show his face as if he was battered by someone in the crowd
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: oneclubonelife on October 10, 2018, 02:20:27 PM
Can anyone answer this question - can the gas use the footage from a mobile phone/tablet or does it have to be an official video. I am not asking if they should, I am asking legally as any suspensions given from any footage other than a official video will be open to appeal or will the county board get around this issue by telling the referee to write his report based on names and numbers on the video,even if during the game he didn't see it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 10, 2018, 02:22:18 PM
Quote from: oneclubonelife on October 10, 2018, 02:20:27 PM
Can anyone answer this question - can the gas use the footage from a mobile phone/tablet or does it have to be an official video. I am not asking if they should, I am asking legally as any suspensions given from any footage other than a official video will be open to appeal or will the county board get around this issue by telling the referee to write his report based on names and numbers on the video,even if during the game he didn't see it.

they can of course, its in the rules in black and white
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
I firmly believe that in bad cases there should be prosecutions. I have seen a few things over the years, one incident in particular stands out, where boys should have got a criminal record for their antics. Unfortunately in our case some in the club tried and some refused to follow this line as the attitude to police in the north wasn't good at the time. This was about 15 years ago so I would hope it has changed mind.

It's the best way to stop it in my view. I am not sure whether southern clubs would pursue this with the gardai or not mind. It's like the law stops before you go into a GAA ground for some people.

I am not talking for 2 guys digging on or off the ball but when you get boys wading in, punching people in the back of the head and doing things like fracturing eye sockets and broken jaws for boys who are doing nothing but trying to break a fight up. Sometimes people suffer from being unable to work off the back of these things too.

Where any lads done by the police when our own Ref was attacked in Ballymena a few years ago? I said it before on here and a gael was against it! Strange one. If you were punched in the side of the head on the street and you knew their names surely you would report it?

Yeah I agree. People have to be held to account for what they do by law if they are breaking it. Just because it's in a GAA ground it doesn't make it any different.

I doubt anyone was done for the ref getting attacked.

If someone goes far enough in a GAA ground to do something which they would be prosecuted for in the street then they should be prosecuted for doing it within a GAA ground.

Down south do many of these make it to the gardai I do wonder? I do think up north there may be an aversion to getting police involved.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 10, 2018, 03:27:59 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 10, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
Could someone please point out why Sean Cavanagh's face was on the news last night when discussing the recent fighting at GAA matches, sure that was an accidental tackle and the lad was cleared by Tyrone Co Board so why show his face as if he was battered by someone in the crowd

I'm not sure everyone at the game or who I've since seen the video agreed with that conclusion. If there did look to be intent the county board's attitude maybe sums up the problem trying to keep things like this out of the game.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2018, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
I firmly believe that in bad cases there should be prosecutions. I have seen a few things over the years, one incident in particular stands out, where boys should have got a criminal record for their antics. Unfortunately in our case some in the club tried and some refused to follow this line as the attitude to police in the north wasn't good at the time. This was about 15 years ago so I would hope it has changed mind.

It's the best way to stop it in my view. I am not sure whether southern clubs would pursue this with the gardai or not mind. It's like the law stops before you go into a GAA ground for some people.

I am not talking for 2 guys digging on or off the ball but when you get boys wading in, punching people in the back of the head and doing things like fracturing eye sockets and broken jaws for boys who are doing nothing but trying to break a fight up. Sometimes people suffer from being unable to work off the back of these things too.

Where any lads done by the police when our own Ref was attacked in Ballymena a few years ago? I said it before on here and a gael was against it! Strange one. If you were punched in the side of the head on the street and you knew their names surely you would report it?

Yeah I agree. People have to be held to account for what they do by law if they are breaking it. Just because it's in a GAA ground it doesn't make it any different.

I doubt anyone was done for the ref getting attacked.

If someone goes far enough in a GAA ground to do something which they would be prosecuted for in the street then they should be prosecuted for doing it within a GAA ground.

Down south do many of these make it to the gardai I do wonder? I do think up north there may be an aversion to getting police involved.
There was a case in Dublin where a fella clobbered an opponent with a hurling stick and he was charged with GBH. I think the fella made a full recovery and dropped the charges but he was taken to court anyway. I'll see if I can find it online.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gaa-player-charged-with-assault-after-he-allegedly-hit-opponent-over-the-head-with-a-hurl-court-told-37192226.html (https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gaa-player-charged-with-assault-after-he-allegedly-hit-opponent-over-the-head-with-a-hurl-court-told-37192226.html)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Delegater on October 10, 2018, 07:24:56 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on October 10, 2018, 03:27:59 PM
Quote from: illdecide on October 10, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
Could someone please point out why Sean Cavanagh's face was on the news last night when discussing the recent fighting at GAA matches, sure that was an accidental tackle and the lad was cleared by Tyrone Co Board so why show his face as if he was battered by someone in the crowd

Reading the BBC article it appears that the club feel aggrieved with the county board not giving them a report. Seems very strange not to give the clubs a copy of the report and reading between the lines, the video I suspect, shows the collision wasn't accidental and that the referees report contradicts what was released by the CB. Hence the reluctance to release the DVD and the report.

The CB must have thought it would just go away. But fair play to Moy, they are within their rights to get a hold of the report. Its standard procedure surely?


I'm not sure everyone at the game or who I've since seen the video agreed with that conclusion. If there did look to be intent the county board's attitude maybe sums up the problem trying to keep things like this out of the game.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2018, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
I firmly believe that in bad cases there should be prosecutions. I have seen a few things over the years, one incident in particular stands out, where boys should have got a criminal record for their antics. Unfortunately in our case some in the club tried and some refused to follow this line as the attitude to police in the north wasn't good at the time. This was about 15 years ago so I would hope it has changed mind.

It's the best way to stop it in my view. I am not sure whether southern clubs would pursue this with the gardai or not mind. It's like the law stops before you go into a GAA ground for some people.

I am not talking for 2 guys digging on or off the ball but when you get boys wading in, punching people in the back of the head and doing things like fracturing eye sockets and broken jaws for boys who are doing nothing but trying to break a fight up. Sometimes people suffer from being unable to work off the back of these things too.

Where any lads done by the police when our own Ref was attacked in Ballymena a few years ago? I said it before on here and a gael was against it! Strange one. If you were punched in the side of the head on the street and you knew their names surely you would report it?

Yeah I agree. People have to be held to account for what they do by law if they are breaking it. Just because it's in a GAA ground it doesn't make it any different.

I doubt anyone was done for the ref getting attacked.

If someone goes far enough in a GAA ground to do something which they would be prosecuted for in the street then they should be prosecuted for doing it within a GAA ground.

Down south do many of these make it to the gardai I do wonder? I do think up north there may be an aversion to getting police involved.
There was a case in Dublin where a fella clobbered an opponent with a hurling stick and he was charged with GBH. I think the fella made a full recovery and dropped the charges but he was taken to court anyway. I'll see if I can find it online.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gaa-player-charged-with-assault-after-he-allegedly-hit-opponent-over-the-head-with-a-hurl-court-told-37192226.html (https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gaa-player-charged-with-assault-after-he-allegedly-hit-opponent-over-the-head-with-a-hurl-court-told-37192226.html)

I have a feeling the lack of police involvement could be part of the reason they are worse up north. Apart from one or two you hear of, one in wicklow seemed pretty bad, they generally seem to be worse up north.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2018, 10:25:57 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 09:58:06 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2018, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 03:09:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 10, 2018, 11:05:44 AM
I firmly believe that in bad cases there should be prosecutions. I have seen a few things over the years, one incident in particular stands out, where boys should have got a criminal record for their antics. Unfortunately in our case some in the club tried and some refused to follow this line as the attitude to police in the north wasn't good at the time. This was about 15 years ago so I would hope it has changed mind.

It's the best way to stop it in my view. I am not sure whether southern clubs would pursue this with the gardai or not mind. It's like the law stops before you go into a GAA ground for some people.

I am not talking for 2 guys digging on or off the ball but when you get boys wading in, punching people in the back of the head and doing things like fracturing eye sockets and broken jaws for boys who are doing nothing but trying to break a fight up. Sometimes people suffer from being unable to work off the back of these things too.

Where any lads done by the police when our own Ref was attacked in Ballymena a few years ago? I said it before on here and a gael was against it! Strange one. If you were punched in the side of the head on the street and you knew their names surely you would report it?

Yeah I agree. People have to be held to account for what they do by law if they are breaking it. Just because it's in a GAA ground it doesn't make it any different.

I doubt anyone was done for the ref getting attacked.

If someone goes far enough in a GAA ground to do something which they would be prosecuted for in the street then they should be prosecuted for doing it within a GAA ground.

Down south do many of these make it to the gardai I do wonder? I do think up north there may be an aversion to getting police involved.
There was a case in Dublin where a fella clobbered an opponent with a hurling stick and he was charged with GBH. I think the fella made a full recovery and dropped the charges but he was taken to court anyway. I'll see if I can find it online.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gaa-player-charged-with-assault-after-he-allegedly-hit-opponent-over-the-head-with-a-hurl-court-told-37192226.html (https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/gaa-player-charged-with-assault-after-he-allegedly-hit-opponent-over-the-head-with-a-hurl-court-told-37192226.html)

I have a feeling the lack of police involvement could be part of the reason they are worse up north. Apart from one or two you hear of, one in wicklow seemed pretty bad, they generally seem to be worse up north.
You know yourself the fella going to the peelers would get absolutely hammered. Not the manly thing to do even from a hospital bed.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: paddyjohn on October 10, 2018, 10:53:22 PM
Touts our n all that jazz.. :-X
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on October 10, 2018, 10:53:22 PM
Touts our n all that jazz.. :-X

Lay off the drink  PJ  ;)

We'd a player many years ago who was out of work due to a thug kicking him in the head, his employers were out of pocket, not just money wise but with his expertise in the job he done..

All that jazz won't help if a player ends up with brain damage..
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?

In my mind no it's not the same. There's plenty of digs thrown during the course of games down through the years, that would constitute assault. But they were and remain part and parcel of the game.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?



In my mind no it's not the same. There's plenty of digs thrown during the course of games down through the years, that would constitute assault. But they were and remain part and parcel of the game.

Digs in a game, that happens, you hope the ref will deal with that, but an assault (which is what I have been posting, and the thread title) is when two or more players start punching and kicking the f**k out of someone which results in damage to that person, you'd look down on someone reporting it?

I suppose if that's the norm round your way then play on. Dirty Joe punches are a part of the game!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?



In my mind no it's not the same. There's plenty of digs thrown during the course of games down through the years, that would constitute assault. But they were and remain part and parcel of the game.

Digs in a game, that happens, you hope the ref will deal with that, but an assault (which is what I have been posting, and the thread title) is when two or more players start punching and kicking the f**k out of someone which results in damage to that person, you'd look down on someone reporting it?

I suppose if that's the norm round your way then play on. Dirty Joe punches are a part of the game!

But where do you draw the line? My dig could be your assault? Slippery slope. Did Paidi assault yer man from Cork? Or what about Diarmuid Marsden on Philly Jordan?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2018, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?



In my mind no it's not the same. There's plenty of digs thrown during the course of games down through the years, that would constitute assault. But they were and remain part and parcel of the game.

Digs in a game, that happens, you hope the ref will deal with that, but an assault (which is what I have been posting, and the thread title) is when two or more players start punching and kicking the f**k out of someone which results in damage to that person, you'd look down on someone reporting it?

I suppose if that's the norm round your way then play on. Dirty Joe punches are a part of the game!

But where do you draw the line? My dig could be your assault? Slippery slope. Did Paidi assault yer man from Cork? Or what about Diarmuid Marsden on Philly Jordan?
Poor example as Marsden didn't lay a finger on Jordan.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 11, 2018, 07:57:27 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?



In my mind no it's not the same. There's plenty of digs thrown during the course of games down through the years, that would constitute assault. But they were and remain part and parcel of the game.

Digs in a game, that happens, you hope the ref will deal with that, but an assault (which is what I have been posting, and the thread title) is when two or more players start punching and kicking the f**k out of someone which results in damage to that person, you'd look down on someone reporting it?

I suppose if that's the norm round your way then play on. Dirty Joe punches are a part of the game!

But where do you draw the line? My dig could be your assault? Slippery slope. Did Paidi assault yer man from Cork? Or what about Diarmuid Marsden on Philly Jordan?

Boys going toe to toe happens in all sports.. someone coming in blind side and 'dirty joe'ing' a player and causing serious injury is assault.. now you can give me a thousand examples of what I've said and it's still assault from a coward.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 11, 2018, 10:15:08 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2018, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?



In my mind no it's not the same. There's plenty of digs thrown during the course of games down through the years, that would constitute assault. But they were and remain part and parcel of the game.

Digs in a game, that happens, you hope the ref will deal with that, but an assault (which is what I have been posting, and the thread title) is when two or more players start punching and kicking the f**k out of someone which results in damage to that person, you'd look down on someone reporting it?

I suppose if that's the norm round your way then play on. Dirty Joe punches are a part of the game!

But where do you draw the line? My dig could be your assault? Slippery slope. Did Paidi assault yer man from Cork? Or what about Diarmuid Marsden on Philly Jordan?
Poor example as Marsden didn't lay a finger on Jordan.

No he laid 10 on him.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: befair on October 11, 2018, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on October 10, 2018, 11:48:09 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:43:21 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 11:27:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 11:03:51 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 10, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 10, 2018, 10:42:50 PM
Would you go to the peelers if your son was absolutely hammered by a thug on the pitch?

Would not. And would look down on anyone that did.

So if someone assaulted your child on the street you'd do nothing?

You asked about the pitch? Is it the street or pitch? Where is it happening?

Is there a difference where someone is assaulted? What about watching a game? In the stand?

Surely assault is assault no matter where it is?



In my mind no it's not the same. There's plenty of digs thrown during the course of games down through the years, that would constitute assault. But they were and remain part and parcel of the game.

Digs in a game, that happens, you hope the ref will deal with that, but an assault (which is what I have been posting, and the thread title) is when two or more players start punching and kicking the f**k out of someone which results in damage to that person, you'd look down on someone reporting it?

I suppose if that's the norm round your way then play on. Dirty Joe punches are a part of the game!

But where do you draw the line? My dig could be your assault? Slippery slope. Did Paidi assault yer man from Cork? Or what about Diarmuid Marsden on Philly Jordan?
Poor example as Marsden didn't lay a finger on Jordan.

Jordan's dive and the resultant red card for Marsden was the start of a very unfortunate trend in GAA. Teams saw the very real benefits of getting red/yellow cards for the opposition. It has always sullied Tyrone's reputation, which is a shame because they had so many magnificent players
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 11, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-club-expresses-dismay-after-one-of-their-players-was-left-with-extensive-facial-injuries-but-opponent-had-red-card-rescinded-37407964.html

QuoteA Limerick club has expressed their disappointment after a player that was sent off for hitting one of their players off the ball had his red card rescinded.

Ballysteen GAA club called for an investigation into how the red card was overturned on appeal.

A letter from the club was read out at a county board meeting this week outlining the significant injuries suffered in the incident that occurred during the Limerick SFC quarter-final between Ballysteen and Ballylanders.

The Limerick Leader has published the details of the letter.

The letter signed by Ballysteen chairman Alan Kehoe read: "I am writing to express our disappointment following an incident that took place during the senior football match between Ballysteen and Ballylanders - the match took place on Saturday September 29 when Ballysteen and Ballylanders played the quarter final of the Limerick senior football championship.

"During the game one of our players received an unprovoked blow to the face at one point in the game, in which he did not have possession of the ball. He had to immediately leave the field and could not continue. The Ballylanders player who inflicted the injury received a red card and was sent-off immediately by the referee.

"The extent of the Ballysteen players' injuries were discovered upon medical examination and included the following; cheekbone fracture, lower eye socket fracture and bone behind the eyebrow fracture. The player was sent to University Hospital later that evening for x-ray and the above facial injuries were discovered. Due to severe bruising and swelling, an operation was deferred until October 4.

"In addition to the facial reconstruction, a plate was inserted which will remain for life, and he has suffered a numbness in the side of his face and jaw and surgeons have advised that this may not recover due to nerve damage sustained in the blow.


"The player who inflicted this injury received a straight red card and automatically a one match ban must be served, however in this instance the red card was overturned on appeal.

The letter went on to allege that: "The player moved 20-30 yards and inflicted a single blow to the face, captured on match video and I am asking the County Board to investigate how such an appeal was successful."

The letter stressed: "The Ballysteen club wants to make it clear we harbour no animosity or ill towards Ballylanders GAA club or its players and wish them the best of luck for the remainder of the championship.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: J70 on October 12, 2018, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 11, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-club-expresses-dismay-after-one-of-their-players-was-left-with-extensive-facial-injuries-but-opponent-had-red-card-rescinded-37407964.html

QuoteA Limerick club has expressed their disappointment after a player that was sent off for hitting one of their players off the ball had his red card rescinded.

Ballysteen GAA club called for an investigation into how the red card was overturned on appeal.

A letter from the club was read out at a county board meeting this week outlining the significant injuries suffered in the incident that occurred during the Limerick SFC quarter-final between Ballysteen and Ballylanders.

The Limerick Leader has published the details of the letter.

The letter signed by Ballysteen chairman Alan Kehoe read: "I am writing to express our disappointment following an incident that took place during the senior football match between Ballysteen and Ballylanders - the match took place on Saturday September 29 when Ballysteen and Ballylanders played the quarter final of the Limerick senior football championship.

"During the game one of our players received an unprovoked blow to the face at one point in the game, in which he did not have possession of the ball. He had to immediately leave the field and could not continue. The Ballylanders player who inflicted the injury received a red card and was sent-off immediately by the referee.

"The extent of the Ballysteen players' injuries were discovered upon medical examination and included the following; cheekbone fracture, lower eye socket fracture and bone behind the eyebrow fracture. The player was sent to University Hospital later that evening for x-ray and the above facial injuries were discovered. Due to severe bruising and swelling, an operation was deferred until October 4.

"In addition to the facial reconstruction, a plate was inserted which will remain for life, and he has suffered a numbness in the side of his face and jaw and surgeons have advised that this may not recover due to nerve damage sustained in the blow.


"The player who inflicted this injury received a straight red card and automatically a one match ban must be served, however in this instance the red card was overturned on appeal.

The letter went on to allege that: "The player moved 20-30 yards and inflicted a single blow to the face, captured on match video and I am asking the County Board to investigate how such an appeal was successful."

The letter stressed: "The Ballysteen club wants to make it clear we harbour no animosity or ill towards Ballylanders GAA club or its players and wish them the best of luck for the remainder of the championship.

What a f**king joke.

Hope the injured lad gets that video and a good solicitor and shoved them up the arses of that coward and his club.

Are the GAA going to cover his medical bills? Damages for any long term effects?

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2018, 01:24:28 PM
"What a f**king joke.

Hope the injured lad gets that video and a good solicitor and shoved them up the arses of that coward and his club.

Are the GAA going to cover his medical bills? Damages for any long term effects?"

According to the GAA it never happened, so I doubt that they will pay
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on October 12, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 12, 2018, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 11, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-club-expresses-dismay-after-one-of-their-players-was-left-with-extensive-facial-injuries-but-opponent-had-red-card-rescinded-37407964.html

QuoteA Limerick club has expressed their disappointment after a player that was sent off for hitting one of their players off the ball had his red card rescinded.

Ballysteen GAA club called for an investigation into how the red card was overturned on appeal.

A letter from the club was read out at a county board meeting this week outlining the significant injuries suffered in the incident that occurred during the Limerick SFC quarter-final between Ballysteen and Ballylanders.

The Limerick Leader has published the details of the letter.

The letter signed by Ballysteen chairman Alan Kehoe read: "I am writing to express our disappointment following an incident that took place during the senior football match between Ballysteen and Ballylanders - the match took place on Saturday September 29 when Ballysteen and Ballylanders played the quarter final of the Limerick senior football championship.

"During the game one of our players received an unprovoked blow to the face at one point in the game, in which he did not have possession of the ball. He had to immediately leave the field and could not continue. The Ballylanders player who inflicted the injury received a red card and was sent-off immediately by the referee.

"The extent of the Ballysteen players' injuries were discovered upon medical examination and included the following; cheekbone fracture, lower eye socket fracture and bone behind the eyebrow fracture. The player was sent to University Hospital later that evening for x-ray and the above facial injuries were discovered. Due to severe bruising and swelling, an operation was deferred until October 4.

"In addition to the facial reconstruction, a plate was inserted which will remain for life, and he has suffered a numbness in the side of his face and jaw and surgeons have advised that this may not recover due to nerve damage sustained in the blow.


"The player who inflicted this injury received a straight red card and automatically a one match ban must be served, however in this instance the red card was overturned on appeal.

The letter went on to allege that: "The player moved 20-30 yards and inflicted a single blow to the face, captured on match video and I am asking the County Board to investigate how such an appeal was successful."

The letter stressed: "The Ballysteen club wants to make it clear we harbour no animosity or ill towards Ballylanders GAA club or its players and wish them the best of luck for the remainder of the championship.

What a f**king joke.

Hope the injured lad gets that video and a good solicitor and shoved them up the arses of that coward and his club.

Are the GAA going to cover his medical bills? Damages for any long term effects?

It's not right, but is anyone that surprised.

You can almost guarantee that the reason the offender got his red card rescinded was due an administrative error in submitting/completing the report. The problem all county boards face is that when they look for every loophole or technicality to have suspensions overturned at inter county level they can't then turn around and impose zero tolerance on their own clubs.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2018, 03:18:46 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 12, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 12, 2018, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 11, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-club-expresses-dismay-after-one-of-their-players-was-left-with-extensive-facial-injuries-but-opponent-had-red-card-rescinded-37407964.html

QuoteA Limerick club has expressed their disappointment after a player that was sent off for hitting one of their players off the ball had his red card rescinded.

Ballysteen GAA club called for an investigation into how the red card was overturned on appeal.

A letter from the club was read out at a county board meeting this week outlining the significant injuries suffered in the incident that occurred during the Limerick SFC quarter-final between Ballysteen and Ballylanders.

The Limerick Leader has published the details of the letter.

The letter signed by Ballysteen chairman Alan Kehoe read: "I am writing to express our disappointment following an incident that took place during the senior football match between Ballysteen and Ballylanders - the match took place on Saturday September 29 when Ballysteen and Ballylanders played the quarter final of the Limerick senior football championship.

"During the game one of our players received an unprovoked blow to the face at one point in the game, in which he did not have possession of the ball. He had to immediately leave the field and could not continue. The Ballylanders player who inflicted the injury received a red card and was sent-off immediately by the referee.

"The extent of the Ballysteen players' injuries were discovered upon medical examination and included the following; cheekbone fracture, lower eye socket fracture and bone behind the eyebrow fracture. The player was sent to University Hospital later that evening for x-ray and the above facial injuries were discovered. Due to severe bruising and swelling, an operation was deferred until October 4.

"In addition to the facial reconstruction, a plate was inserted which will remain for life, and he has suffered a numbness in the side of his face and jaw and surgeons have advised that this may not recover due to nerve damage sustained in the blow.


"The player who inflicted this injury received a straight red card and automatically a one match ban must be served, however in this instance the red card was overturned on appeal.

The letter went on to allege that: "The player moved 20-30 yards and inflicted a single blow to the face, captured on match video and I am asking the County Board to investigate how such an appeal was successful."

The letter stressed: "The Ballysteen club wants to make it clear we harbour no animosity or ill towards Ballylanders GAA club or its players and wish them the best of luck for the remainder of the championship.

What a f**king joke.

Hope the injured lad gets that video and a good solicitor and shoved them up the arses of that coward and his club.

Are the GAA going to cover his medical bills? Damages for any long term effects?

It's not right, but is anyone that surprised.

You can almost guarantee that the reason the offender got his red card rescinded was due an administrative error in submitting/completing the report. The problem all county boards face is that when they look for every loophole or technicality to have suspensions overturned at inter county level they can't then turn around and impose zero tolerance on their own clubs.

Well if thats the case the ref's need to look at the rule book and discuss it with a county offical before submitting and  put the proper terms in place.. and the players (and clubs) need to cop the fcuk on and take their medicine
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 03:43:12 PM
Can't believe this thread is still going. The men complaining here more than likely sit down to pish. Bad things happen playing sport. No condoning it. But to still have people proposing police involvement. Find it hard to believe that the above story, was a completely unprovoked attack with no slabbering done, or digs thrown beforehand. Now it was an awful injury, but very few people playing GAA do these acts without some sort of provocation.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 12, 2018, 04:04:15 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 03:43:12 PMFind it hard to believe that the above story, was a completely unprovoked attack with no slabbering done, or digs thrown beforehand. Now it was an awful injury, but very few people playing GAA do these acts without some sort of provocation.

Are you just excusing this despicable action because he may have done a bit of "slabbering" - which you have no idea if he did or not?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2018, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 03:43:12 PM
Can't believe this thread is still going. The men complaining here more than likely sit down to pish. Bad things happen playing sport. No condoning it. But to still have people proposing police involvement. Find it hard to believe that the above story, was a completely unprovoked attack with no slabbering done, or digs thrown beforehand. Now it was an awful injury, but very few people playing GAA do these acts without some sort of provocation.

I can't believe you are actually serious, and as such a WUM

Provocation I've seen in games has been, winning the ball off a player in a tackle, fair shoulder and player getting dumped on his arse, only for player to 'dirty joe' him, other provcation would have been showing the player the score board, seems fair/legit ? lets break this guys cheek bone and we'll all laugh about it in the pub afterwards
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 12, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Incident in question. https://youtu.be/1tM43gxvFCU?t=1066

White #12 runs in and hits black #12

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2018, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 12, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Incident in question. https://youtu.be/1tM43gxvFCU?t=1066

White #12 runs in and hits black #12

Should have been a free out before that kicked off, black #20 high punch
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2018, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 12, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Incident in question. https://youtu.be/1tM43gxvFCU?t=1066

White #12 runs in and hits black #12

Should have been a free out before that kicked off, black #20 high punch

What minute is the incident? Look I've said it before, I'm not condoning dirty joe hits or dirty joe boxes. I just don't buy into the blanket coverage of assault, use of police etc. 9/10 if you get a slap you've deserved it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 12, 2018, 05:00:04 PM
Would you like me to draw you a diagram as well?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2018, 05:37:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on October 12, 2018, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 12, 2018, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 12, 2018, 04:30:21 PM
Incident in question. https://youtu.be/1tM43gxvFCU?t=1066

White #12 runs in and hits black #12

Should have been a free out before that kicked off, black #20 high punch
What do you make of the game restarting as the lad is still walking off the pitch and them playing around him?

Aye I seen that, the problem is and it's a common feature, the referee can get flustered during those incidents, sends someone off after a melee and chatting to other linesman, team who wins the free play on!

He should've waited but I'm glad they didn't as your man went straight up and scored a wonder goal..

My biggest concern though is the welfare of the player who was by all accounts still shaking from getting hit
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on October 12, 2018, 08:00:53 PM
You say the police should never be involved. So if some one intentionally killed a person on the field, you would let them away with it?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: imtommygunn on October 12, 2018, 08:28:03 PM
That limerick fella is having reconstructive surgery donald. That shit deserves police intervention without question.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: RedHand88 on October 12, 2018, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.


Ehhh..... wut?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: farset on October 12, 2018, 08:32:57 PM
The purpotrator should be handing himself into the cops never mind getting his club to fend for him.

Sorry from looking at that clip. Its hard to pick out what he done? So I don't see exactly how that is the bastion of proof that it was intended to be??
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 13, 2018, 12:53:00 AM
Donald must be a die hard sinn fenner with his attitude to police intervention in a serious assault! Happened on the street and I take it you wouldn't contact them either! Should we never bother to have them involved if u house gets robbed or serious car accident! I You say police involvement is wouldn't deter assaults on a field or especially the on refs, I beg to differ!! Its attitude like yours to on field violence is are part of the problem!! If 9/10 times you deserve your slap what does referees do to deserve it!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: befair on October 16, 2018, 06:37:54 PM
Word is that Ballyholland + Downpatrick have been banned from next year's county championship. Cue the appeal and the lifting of the ban.....
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.

Ah now MR row, we eat townies like you with your soft attitudes for breakfast.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.

Ah now MR row, we eat townies like you with your soft attitudes for breakfast.

Aye proper softies here in Milltown  ::)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.

Ah now MR row, we eat townies like you with your soft attitudes for breakfast.

Aye proper softies here in Milltown  ::)

I'm just glad all the crying has died down. Cavanagh was an accident.  And it's a well known fact that if it wasn't for blow-ins from the country ye would have no medals down in Milltown.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2018, 08:02:20 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.

Ah now MR row, we eat townies like you with your soft attitudes for breakfast.

Aye proper softies here in Milltown  ::)

I'm just glad all the crying has died down. Cavanagh was an accident.  And it's a well known fact that if it wasn't for blow-ins from the country ye would have no medals down in Milltown.

Course, you'd think we'd 15 blow in ya wally! You again show yourself to be a dafty never mind what I suspect, just a barfly. I doubt you owned a pair of boots too  ;D
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Kickham csc on October 17, 2018, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: befair on October 16, 2018, 06:37:54 PM
Word is that Ballyholland + Downpatrick have been banned from next year's county championship. Cue the appeal and the lifting of the ban.....

Absolutely.

Two clubs fight in a league match....but get suspended in the following years championship. Two completely different competitions, so how can you get punished in the different competition. Defies logic if you ask me. The GAA have left themselves wide open for appeal.

Surely, a massive points deduction or automatic relegation to the lower division would be a more appropriate action.

Or suspension from all senior activity for the following year.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: themac_23 on October 17, 2018, 11:56:53 AM
Quote from: Kickham csc on October 17, 2018, 11:47:08 AM
Quote from: befair on October 16, 2018, 06:37:54 PM
Word is that Ballyholland + Downpatrick have been banned from next year's county championship. Cue the appeal and the lifting of the ban.....

Absolutely.

Two clubs fight in a league match....but get suspended in the following years championship. Two completely different competitions, so how can you get punished in the different competition. Defies logic if you ask me. The GAA have left themselves wide open for appeal.

Surely, a massive points deduction or automatic relegation to the lower division would be a more appropriate action.

Or suspension from all senior activity for the following year.

probably intentionally left themselves open for appeal, make a big statement seemingly coming down hard, gets overturned county board say they tried to be hard but their hands are tied, clubs get to play championship everybody is happy
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Insane Bolt on October 17, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
Don't understand how they can't issue suspensions based on the video evidence. They have the team sheets so identifying the culprits shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 17, 2018, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 17, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
Don't understand how they can't issue suspensions based on the video evidence. They have the team sheets so identifying the culprits shouldn't be a problem.

Big individual punishments have reportedly been meted out as well.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 17, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 17, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
Don't understand how they can't issue suspensions based on the video evidence. They have the team sheets so identifying the culprits shouldn't be a problem.

Unless there is an official video that we haven't seen?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Taylor on October 17, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 17, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 17, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
Don't understand how they can't issue suspensions based on the video evidence. They have the team sheets so identifying the culprits shouldn't be a problem.

Unless there is an official video that we haven't seen?

Doesnt have to be an official video?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: twohands!!! on October 17, 2018, 02:14:26 PM
Quote from: Taylor on October 17, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
Quote from: trailer on October 17, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 17, 2018, 12:33:28 PM
Don't understand how they can't issue suspensions based on the video evidence. They have the team sheets so identifying the culprits shouldn't be a problem.

Unless there is an official video that we haven't seen?

Doesnt have to be an official video?

The most relevant bit from the Disciplinary Handbook relating to video evidence is as follows.

There is nothing here about it having to be official video or nothing stating that video from a phone is inadmissable.

QuoteReferees' Reports: One of the principal exceptions to the general preference for oral evidence is the Referee's Report.
The Referee's Report (including any Clarification) is proof of what it says except where "unedited video evidence or other compelling evidence" shows that the Referee has made a
mistake. There is no special manner by which video evidence should be shown. The video can be slowed down, speeded up and so on, as long as it is not altered. Whoever is introducing it in must
provide the other side with a copy of the tape/DVD in advance of the Hearing so that they have a chance of viewing it.

http://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/k3kikyleirbkigikn7xi.pdf

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of footage of misbehaviour at games, especially from someone's phone, just doesn't get officially seen by the disciplinary powers-that-be, particularly in the case of a melee, where it would probably lead to an increased number of players punished.

Maybe the GAA should start to offer a bounty for footage of players/teams misbehaving?  :P
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on October 17, 2018, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

There was a rumour floating around at one stage they were going to get a full senior team ban from league and everything. Probably thought it wouldn't stick though
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 17, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2018, 08:02:20 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.

Ah now MR row, we eat townies like you with your soft attitudes for breakfast.

Aye proper softies here in Milltown  ::)

I'm just glad all the crying has died down. Cavanagh was an accident.  And it's a well known fact that if it wasn't for blow-ins from the country ye would have no medals down in Milltown.

Course, you'd think we'd 15 blow in ya wally! You again show yourself to be a dafty never mind what I suspect, just a barfly. I doubt you owned a pair of boots too  ;D

Sorry MR2, but I'd safely say that if we were to hire a cleaner to dust down each others medal collection, yours would  be finished for 10 o'clock tea.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2018, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 17, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2018, 08:02:20 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.

Ah now MR row, we eat townies like you with your soft attitudes for breakfast.

Aye proper softies here in Milltown  ::)

I'm just glad all the crying has died down. Cavanagh was an accident.  And it's a well known fact that if it wasn't for blow-ins from the country ye would have no medals down in Milltown.

Course, you'd think we'd 15 blow in ya wally! You again show yourself to be a dafty never mind what I suspect, just a barfly. I doubt you owned a pair of boots too  ;D

Sorry MR2, but I'd safely say that if we were to hire a cleaner to dust down each others medal collection, yours would  be finished for 10 o'clock tea.

Well you say that, but we are not counting ladies football here.

I've no idea who you are or what club you support or not play for, you are just a random nerd/WUM as far as I'm concerned who says they have medals. (I just said you don't own a pair of boots!) Why bring your fantasy medal count in, means nothing.

It's the condoning of slaps and digs in games which result in broken eye sockets, losing teeth and guys getting hidings and being traumatised by it, and saying, sure its part of the game! Its that,  that shows you up as a balloon.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 17, 2018, 08:41:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2018, 04:51:59 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 17, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 17, 2018, 08:02:20 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 16, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 16, 2018, 08:57:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 13, 2018, 11:40:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 13, 2018, 11:11:01 AM
Quote from: LeoMc on October 13, 2018, 09:27:56 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 12, 2018, 07:38:09 PM
I just think we're going down a dangerous road with this nonsense. There will always be flare ups, when pride and passion are involved. Some posters on here reckon that involving police or heavier suspensions from the county boards will deter offenders. It won't. There is a life sentence in jail for murder....yet we still have murderers.

Police should never be involved with GAA business. Be it criminal or a slap during a game.  We talk about the dirty joe slap from behind? What about the late high elbow? Is this going to be assault? Or the clothesline tackle that we see more and more of? Once we have police involvement, then all of the above can be reported to the police. You're knickers are all in a twist.

It's club championship season, tempers run high. Consider that 200/300 years ago, the same parishes wouldve been fighting to the death in the name of sport.
So anything goes?
Judas hits are ok.
Kick a man on the head when he is down?
Draw a hurl on a man from behind?
If the Ref misses it you are grand to go on.

Careful now, therealdougal sounds like a tough brut!

I doubt he even played, or at best played the Z team/ beer belly team.

Ah now MR row, we eat townies like you with your soft attitudes for breakfast.

Aye proper softies here in Milltown  ::)

I'm just glad all the crying has died down. Cavanagh was an accident.  And it's a well known fact that if it wasn't for blow-ins from the country ye would have no medals down in Milltown.

Course, you'd think we'd 15 blow in ya wally! You again show yourself to be a dafty never mind what I suspect, just a barfly. I doubt you owned a pair of boots too  ;D

Sorry MR2, but I'd safely say that if we were to hire a cleaner to dust down each others medal collection, yours would  be finished for 10 o'clock tea.

Well you say that, but we are not counting ladies football here.

I've no idea who you are or what club you support or not play for, you are just a random nerd/WUM as far as I'm concerned who says they have medals. (I just said you don't own a pair of boots!) Why bring your fantasy medal count in, means nothing.

It's the condoning of slaps and digs in games which result in broken eye sockets, losing teeth and guys getting hidings and being traumatised by it, and saying, sure its part of the game! Its that,  that shows you up as a balloon.

You brought up that i was a barfly...not the sharpest MR2. No point arguing anymore with you. We're getting nowhere.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

My take also. Very lenient. Ban both clubs from every competition for the maximum period permitted. And ban identifiable individuals for the same length of time.

Very easy to do with few county men involved. (And, therein lies the real issue).

BTW, same punishment with recent rows in other counties, including my own.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: tonto1888 on October 19, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

My take also. Very lenient. Ban both clubs from every competition for the maximum period permitted. And ban identifiable individuals for the same length of time.

Very easy to do with few county men involved. (And, therein lies the real issue).

BTW, same punishment with recent rows in other counties, including my own.

Do the current rules allow this?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: johnnycool on October 19, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

My take also. Very lenient. Ban both clubs from every competition for the maximum period permitted. And ban identifiable individuals for the same length of time.

Very easy to do with few county men involved. (And, therein lies the real issue).

BTW, same punishment with recent rows in other counties, including my own.

Would you ban Slaughtneil senior hurlers and footballers for something their reserve footballers did as well?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 19, 2018, 10:19:18 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 19, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

My take also. Very lenient. Ban both clubs from every competition for the maximum period permitted. And ban identifiable individuals for the same length of time.

Very easy to do with few county men involved. (And, therein lies the real issue).

BTW, same punishment with recent rows in other counties, including my own.

Would you ban Slaughtneil senior hurlers and footballers for something their reserve footballers did as well?

Short answer is Yes.

Long answer is Yes, because some of those reserve football scoundrels will be lining out against Ballycran next weekend and because there were incidents in the senior match the previous evening and because there is a track record of similar behaviour over a number of years.

Great club and community though, but not exempt from appropriate sanctions.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 19, 2018, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 19, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

My take also. Very lenient. Ban both clubs from every competition for the maximum period permitted. And ban identifiable individuals for the same length of time.

Very easy to do with few county men involved. (And, therein lies the real issue).

BTW, same punishment with recent rows in other counties, including my own.

Do the current rules allow this?

If they don't, they should be amended to do so. The Harps and RGU folk would think several times before jumping the wire again.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: tonto1888 on October 20, 2018, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 19, 2018, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 19, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

My take also. Very lenient. Ban both clubs from every competition for the maximum period permitted. And ban identifiable individuals for the same length of time.

Very easy to do with few county men involved. (And, therein lies the real issue).

BTW, same punishment with recent rows in other counties, including my own.

Do the current rules allow this?

If they don't, they should be amended to do so. The Harps and RGU folk would think several times before jumping the wire again.

I don't doubt it. But would the county board get away with it? Didn't the GAA basically make up a rule for TMcCann after hair gate and that didn't stick?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on October 21, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
A massive outbreak of violence for the Skerries vs St Vincent's Minor in Dublin today, involving just about everyone in the aftermath of the Skerries' victory, tut, tut.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: stephenite on October 22, 2018, 08:29:39 AM
I see Dingle have taken to having pure thugs as selectors. That kn**ker should be banned for life
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 22, 2018, 09:05:23 AM
This violence at the end of games and afterwards is worrying. Take yer beating and move on.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Tyrdub on October 22, 2018, 11:05:06 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 20, 2018, 07:35:17 AM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 19, 2018, 10:21:13 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 19, 2018, 12:30:01 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on October 17, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: befair on October 17, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
On reflection, the ban fro next year's championship is quite lenient. Neither team would be serious contenders, nor be expected to progress far. With the back door, it's a loss of 2-3 games at most

My take also. Very lenient. Ban both clubs from every competition for the maximum period permitted. And ban identifiable individuals for the same length of time.

Very easy to do with few county men involved. (And, therein lies the real issue).

BTW, same punishment with recent rows in other counties, including my own.

Do the current rules allow this?

If they don't, they should be amended to do so. The Harps and RGU folk would think several times before jumping the wire again.

I don't doubt it. But would the county board get away with it? Didn't the GAA basically make up a rule for TMcCann after hair gate and that didn't stick?

I could very safely take money from Powers on whether or not they will be banned from the championship, in fact ill guarantee they will be playing. The Ulster Council will not uphold the bans
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2018, 12:00:50 AM
Having seen the Dingle one but I heard every man and his dog involved!! 2 Clifford's sent off, not like then! Seen it now, that selector/sub should be seeing 2yrs for that hit frombehind
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
If the actions of that Dingle selector were carried out by a member of an Ulster club this thread would surely be an extra 10 pages by now?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
If the actions of that Dingle selector were carried out by a member of an Ulster club this thread would surely be an extra 10 pages by now?

Absolutely....particularly if he was a dirty auld Tyrone hoor....
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 23, 2018, 08:58:08 AM
Part i of the issue i think is that the actual sanctions imposed and what people are calling for on here are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum and to me, neither is fair or realistic.
Alot of the time a player will get a one game ban from that competition, which is totally inadequate and no real deterrent for getting involved in these sort of things , but to call for 2 year bans and clubs banned and that sort of thing is unrealistic as well.
What we need is a set sanction for getting involved in a melee and make it enforceable. We need to get rid of the appeals culture too.
Clubs and players need to feel like the system is fair and if they have done wrong own it and take the penalty.
For me a 1 game ban is not long enough for a striking offence.
It should be 3 games(at least 1 in the competition it happened in)
For the likes of the instances highlighted recently, it should be 5 games for anyone identified. I know alot will say its not enough, but if that was strictly enforced, you watch players start to think twice about getting involved.
A major issue is also the behaviour of managers and officials .I would say if that was better controlled we could cut out the amount of incidents that end up in a mellee in half.
Managers /officials/waterboys etc  have NO place of the field at all for any reason. This needs to be enforced.
If any non player enters the pitch, the referee needs to send them to the stand immediately.
This craic of mentor running on to give instructions is nonsense and more often than not ends up in confrontation with opposition players and abusiveness of the officials.

Its alright saying 'kick out the clubs' and 'ban him for life ' etc, but it wont happen and all we end up with is a mess of appeals. Come down hard , but fair on this sort of thing and hopefully we can stamp it out.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
I'd start by banning anyone that encroaches on the field of play for at least 2 years. If you leave the field to get involved in something, life. Get those in the rule book now.

I am mystified that there isn't more noise around the actions of the Selector/Manager/Mentor from Dingle. It was the actions of an utter, utter gouger.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 23, 2018, 09:35:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
I'd start by banning anyone that encroaches on the field of play for at least 2 years. If you leave the field to get involved in something, life. Get those in the rule book now.

I am mystified that there isn't more noise around the actions of the Selector/Manager/Mentor from Dingle. It was the actions of an utter, utter gouger.

This is exactly the sort of thing i mean though, its not enforceable or realistic, all you will get is a chain of appeals and ultimately very little sanction at the end of it all.

Start by taking baby steps. enforce that management/backroom team arent allowed on the pitch, see how much nonsense that cuts out.
Start with meaningful suspensions for the players, not the current 1 game slap on the wrist.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 23, 2018, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 23, 2018, 09:35:10 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
I'd start by banning anyone that encroaches on the field of play for at least 2 years. If you leave the field to get involved in something, life. Get those in the rule book now.

I am mystified that there isn't more noise around the actions of the Selector/Manager/Mentor from Dingle. It was the actions of an utter, utter gouger.

This is exactly the sort of thing i mean though, its not enforceable or realistic, all you will get is a chain of appeals and ultimately very little sanction at the end of it all.

Start by taking baby steps. enforce that management/backroom team arent allowed on the pitch, see how much nonsense that cuts out.
Start with meaningful suspensions for the players, not the current 1 game slap on the wrist.

Yeah it's actually doubtful if that selector will get a ban at all. No proof of even who he is. Crazy situation.
Colm Parkinson was actually very funny to listen to about this in one of his last podcasts. Firstly condemned the Ballyholland V Downpatrick scenes, then pointed out how the only player he ever knew of taking his ban was John Mullane. Rolled onto how he and the rest of the crew laughed at the battle of Omagh, and wasn't it great craic that everyone got off. Then he went on to complain about some Laois player who was great servant but got sent off in the championship SF and even though he appealed is still banned for the final. It's this sort of bullshit attitude demonstrated by him that needs tackling. 

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
f**k the baby steps, this is what has got us in this mess in the first place. Ulster Rugby fined Coleraine Rugby club £5k today for management insulting the lady referee, no baby steps there or f**king around, come down heavy on them and have the proper rules in place to enforce such matter,

That clown of a selector from Dingle blindsided that lad, should he not get 2 years for the offence? i reckon so
what good  a match or 2 suspension to a selector who doesn't play
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyHarp on October 23, 2018, 08:37:09 PM
I wonder is the recent fighting in championship matches anything to do with the fact that club players spend all summer training and kicking their heels building up the anticipation for a do or die championship that could be over in 60 mins or if they progress, potentially 4 huge pressure games compressed into as many weeks. No wonder the lads are nearly feral by the time they take the pitch.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 23, 2018, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
f**k the baby steps, this is what has got us in this mess in the first place. Ulster Rugby fined Coleraine Rugby club £5k today for management insulting the lady referee, no baby steps there or f**king around, come down heavy on them and have the proper rules in place to enforce such matter,

That clown of a selector from Dingle blindsided that lad, should he not get 2 years for the offence? i reckon so
what good  a match or 2 suspension to a selector who doesn't play

There are glaring gaps in the GAA's rules and procedures for how violent acts are assessed and classified.

As a result, it isn't possible for any committee to implement anything close to the measures you would like to implement. There's no precedent. No instruction.

That's where you should centre your discontent. Not on county boards.

By the way, 2 years for a single punch? There'd be nobody left eligible to play the game by 2021.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: ardtole on October 23, 2018, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2018, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
f**k the baby steps, this is what has got us in this mess in the first place. Ulster Rugby fined Coleraine Rugby club £5k today for management insulting the lady referee, no baby steps there or f**king around, come down heavy on them and have the proper rules in place to enforce such matter,

That clown of a selector from Dingle blindsided that lad, should he not get 2 years for the offence? i reckon so
what good  a match or 2 suspension to a selector who doesn't play

There are glaring gaps in the GAA's rules and procedures for how violent acts are assessed and classified.

As a result, it isn't possible for any committee to implement anything close to the measures you would like to implement. There's no precedent. No instruction.

That's where you should centre your discontent. Not on county boards.

By the way, 2 years for a single punch? There'd be nobody left eligible to play the game by 2021.
Surely wobbler, your not suggesting the Kerry officials actions warrant the proposed 8 week suspension. That was a low act. He totally blindsided the east Kerry man.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: LeoMc on October 23, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2018, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
f**k the baby steps, this is what has got us in this mess in the first place. Ulster Rugby fined Coleraine Rugby club £5k today for management insulting the lady referee, no baby steps there or f**king around, come down heavy on them and have the proper rules in place to enforce such matter,

That clown of a selector from Dingle blindsided that lad, should he not get 2 years for the offence? i reckon so
what good  a match or 2 suspension to a selector who doesn't play

There are glaring gaps in the GAA's rules and procedures for how violent acts are assessed and classified.

As a result, it isn't possible for any committee to implement anything close to the measures you would like to implement. There's no precedent. No instruction.

That's where you should centre your discontent. Not on county boards.

By the way, 2 years for a single punch? There'd be nobody left eligible to play the game by 2021.

A player striking another player misses 2-3 games.
He wasn't a player so yes 2 years.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 23, 2018, 08:58:22 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 23, 2018, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2018, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
f**k the baby steps, this is what has got us in this mess in the first place. Ulster Rugby fined Coleraine Rugby club £5k today for management insulting the lady referee, no baby steps there or f**king around, come down heavy on them and have the proper rules in place to enforce such matter,

That clown of a selector from Dingle blindsided that lad, should he not get 2 years for the offence? i reckon so
what good  a match or 2 suspension to a selector who doesn't play

There are glaring gaps in the GAA's rules and procedures for how violent acts are assessed and classified.

As a result, it isn't possible for any committee to implement anything close to the measures you would like to implement. There's no precedent. No instruction.

That's where you should centre your discontent. Not on county boards.

By the way, 2 years for a single punch? There'd be nobody left eligible to play the game by 2021.
Surely wobbler, your not suggesting the Kerry officials actions warrant the proposed 8 week suspension. That was a low act. He totally blindsided the east Kerry man.

I'm not suggesting anything other than the rulebook doesn't differentiate between a man being blindsided and a man swinging back. Both are striking with the hand. Unless the selector has previous, it's not in Kerry CCC's interests to give him anything longer than the minimum suspension, as it will only end up in a hearing where that committee are asked to avoid interpretation of rules and punishments, and to only punish consistently. Which makes it striking with the hand. One or two games for a player, and not a whole pile longer for anyone else.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: delgany on October 23, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
Allegedly Ballyholland have used match abondonment  to stave off relegation to Div 2 . Some antics to be at !  Absolute disgrace. Should be banned for a year
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: thewobbler on October 23, 2018, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: delgany on October 23, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
Allegedly Ballyholland have used match abondonment  to stave off relegation to Div 2 . Some antics to be at !  Absolute disgrace. Should be banned for a year

Using the word "allegedly" doesn't conceal that you're cooking a stew without looking at the ingredients.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2018, 10:09:47 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on October 23, 2018, 08:37:09 PM
I wonder is the recent fighting in championship matches anything to do with the fact that club players spend all summer training and kicking their heels building up the anticipation for a do or die championship that could be over in 60 mins or if they progress, potentially 4 huge pressure games compressed into as many weeks. No wonder the lads are nearly feral by the time they take the pitch.

Each player is responsible for his own actions, championship has been this way for as long as counties have formed league and championships.. there is absolutely no excuse for someone dirty joe'ing a player or a boozed up supporter (or not) coming on to the pitch and acting the bollox..

But looking for excuses will continue to be the norm..

Slaps and rough tackles in a match is the norm, if someone deliberately strikes a player, especially when they are from behind is just a Cnut, plain and simple and anyone defending such cnuts need to look at themselves
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: twohands!!! on October 23, 2018, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: ardtole on October 23, 2018, 08:49:04 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on October 23, 2018, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 23, 2018, 08:22:20 PM
f**k the baby steps, this is what has got us in this mess in the first place. Ulster Rugby fined Coleraine Rugby club £5k today for management insulting the lady referee, no baby steps there or f**king around, come down heavy on them and have the proper rules in place to enforce such matter,

That clown of a selector from Dingle blindsided that lad, should he not get 2 years for the offence? i reckon so
what good  a match or 2 suspension to a selector who doesn't play

There are glaring gaps in the GAA's rules and procedures for how violent acts are assessed and classified.

As a result, it isn't possible for any committee to implement anything close to the measures you would like to implement. There's no precedent. No instruction.

That's where you should centre your discontent. Not on county boards.

By the way, 2 years for a single punch? There'd be nobody left eligible to play the game by 2021.
Surely wobbler, your not suggesting the Kerry officials actions warrant the proposed 8 week suspension. That was a low act. He totally blindsided the east Kerry man.

Has anyone got on to the Guards in Tralee and asked them why they are not preparing a case for the DPP ?

If the same footage was captured outside of a chipper at 2am, with the Dingle selector chinning some lad standing around, what sort of charges would he be facing ?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: OgraAnDun on October 23, 2018, 11:02:25 PM
A fair chunk of hypocrisy on Twitter around the video of the fight from Cork. The same people who are calling for lifetime bans are the ones getting stuck into no. 14's teammates for hanging him out to dry!
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: befair on October 23, 2018, 11:35:25 PM
Only 8 weeks suspension is scandalous
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 24, 2018, 12:09:47 AM
So Connolly gets 12wks for brushing up against a lineman! I Selector sneaks onto field of play and lamps player on the blindside! And could have seriously hurt him! Gets 8 weeks! That in a nutshell is what's wrong with the gaa! I That p***k should get 2years
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Gold on October 24, 2018, 08:37:14 AM
2 years for a punch (or attempted punch) would go a serious way to stopping violent, potentially life threatening incidents

Difficulty would be miscarriges of justice where a player was trying to pull a player away and is wrongly adjudged to be striking

Could see players lost to the game

Would it be worth it?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: TabClear on October 24, 2018, 09:20:24 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 24, 2018, 12:09:47 AM
So Connolly gets 12wks for brushing up against a lineman! I Selector sneaks onto field of play and lamps player on the blindside! And could have seriously hurt him! Gets 8 weeks! That in a nutshell is what's wrong with the gaa! I That p***k should get 2years

Totally agree. Cowardly bastard who should get the book thrown at him.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: iorras on October 24, 2018, 09:21:18 AM
Was at an U-15 club match last week, and an adult entered the field and squared up to the players. GAA dont want to fix this, if they wanted to it would be fixed by now.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: seafoid on October 24, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
If the actions of that Dingle selector were carried out by a member of an Ulster club this thread would surely be an extra 10 pages by now?

Absolutely....particularly if he was a dirty auld Tyrone hoor....
Kerry doesn't fit the model. The Dubs must be getting to them

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-surrendering-september-to-give-incompetent-county-boards-time-to-run-off-games-was-a-serious-mistake-37372415.html


Tyrone doesn't have a copyright on violence and ill-discipline around GAA games, but they do have a history. There were All-Ireland club finals that we in Kerry remember less than fondly, involving Cookstown and Derrytresk of Tyrone and Finuge and Dromid of Kerry.
There was a very unsavoury All-Ireland U-21 semi-final involving Tyrone and Tipperary a few years ago after which Tipperary alleged that Tyrone players seemed to know the Christian names of the girlfriends and sisters of the Tipp lads.
Declan Bonner (left), when Donegal minor manager, mentioned after a game between the counties of how one of his players, whose father was very ill, heard all about it from Tyrone players.

And then there was the brawl between Armagh and Tyrone in this year's Ulster U-20 semi-final. That's a bit of a rap sheet and if Tyrone say they have no bigger problem that anyone else then they are in denial.
Sean issuing the photo of his face on social media didn't help anyone. Call me a cynic, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Sean's autobiography is out now and he needs to shift a few books, would it?

I was also annoyed by Peter Canavan's response to the coverage of the Cavanagh business, which was to accuse the media of anti-Tyrone bias. Christ, talk about having a siege mentality. It happened in Tyrone, Peter.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 24, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
If the actions of that Dingle selector were carried out by a member of an Ulster club this thread would surely be an extra 10 pages by now?

Absolutely....particularly if he was a dirty auld Tyrone hoor....
Kerry doesn't fit the model. The Dubs must be getting to them

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-surrendering-september-to-give-incompetent-county-boards-time-to-run-off-games-was-a-serious-mistake-37372415.html


Tyrone doesn't have a copyright on violence and ill-discipline around GAA games, but they do have a history. There were All-Ireland club finals that we in Kerry remember less than fondly, involving Cookstown and Derrytresk of Tyrone and Finuge and Dromid of Kerry.
There was a very unsavoury All-Ireland U-21 semi-final involving Tyrone and Tipperary a few years ago after which Tipperary alleged that Tyrone players seemed to know the Christian names of the girlfriends and sisters of the Tipp lads.
Declan Bonner (left), when Donegal minor manager, mentioned after a game between the counties of how one of his players, whose father was very ill, heard all about it from Tyrone players.

And then there was the brawl between Armagh and Tyrone in this year's Ulster U-20 semi-final. That's a bit of a rap sheet and if Tyrone say they have no bigger problem that anyone else then they are in denial.
Sean issuing the photo of his face on social media didn't help anyone. Call me a cynic, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Sean's autobiography is out now and he needs to shift a few books, would it?

I was also annoyed by Peter Canavan's response to the coverage of the Cavanagh business, which was to accuse the media of anti-Tyrone bias. Christ, talk about having a siege mentality. It happened in Tyrone, Peter.

So the week Kerry football is in the spotlight for on field violence, Pat writes an article having a  go at Tyrone?
You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: westbound on October 24, 2018, 09:38:59 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 24, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
If the actions of that Dingle selector were carried out by a member of an Ulster club this thread would surely be an extra 10 pages by now?

Absolutely....particularly if he was a dirty auld Tyrone hoor....
Kerry doesn't fit the model. The Dubs must be getting to them

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-surrendering-september-to-give-incompetent-county-boards-time-to-run-off-games-was-a-serious-mistake-37372415.html


Tyrone doesn't have a copyright on violence and ill-discipline around GAA games, but they do have a history. There were All-Ireland club finals that we in Kerry remember less than fondly, involving Cookstown and Derrytresk of Tyrone and Finuge and Dromid of Kerry.
There was a very unsavoury All-Ireland U-21 semi-final involving Tyrone and Tipperary a few years ago after which Tipperary alleged that Tyrone players seemed to know the Christian names of the girlfriends and sisters of the Tipp lads.
Declan Bonner (left), when Donegal minor manager, mentioned after a game between the counties of how one of his players, whose father was very ill, heard all about it from Tyrone players.

And then there was the brawl between Armagh and Tyrone in this year's Ulster U-20 semi-final. That's a bit of a rap sheet and if Tyrone say they have no bigger problem that anyone else then they are in denial.
Sean issuing the photo of his face on social media didn't help anyone. Call me a cynic, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Sean's autobiography is out now and he needs to shift a few books, would it?

I was also annoyed by Peter Canavan's response to the coverage of the Cavanagh business, which was to accuse the media of anti-Tyrone bias. Christ, talk about having a siege mentality. It happened in Tyrone, Peter.

So the week Kerry football is in the spotlight for on field violence, Pat writes an article having a  go at Tyrone?
You couldn't make it up.

That's from 3 weeks ago (dated 1st OCtober)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on October 24, 2018, 09:52:43 AM
If Dingle had any integrity they'd have removed the selector from the mgt panel. Kerry board could have suspended the thug gor lomger as 8 weeks is the MINIMUM suspension they could hand out. They must be laughing at the leniency of it. A ball hits an umpire=12 weeks Connolly gets 12 weeks for slightly touching a linesman. GAA need to set up a single disciplinary authority for handing out suspensions. Co. Boards clearly can't be trusted
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trailer on October 24, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
If the actions of that Dingle selector were carried out by a member of an Ulster club this thread would surely be an extra 10 pages by now?

Absolutely....particularly if he was a dirty auld Tyrone hoor....
Kerry doesn't fit the model. The Dubs must be getting to them

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-surrendering-september-to-give-incompetent-county-boards-time-to-run-off-games-was-a-serious-mistake-37372415.html


Tyrone doesn't have a copyright on violence and ill-discipline around GAA games, but they do have a history. There were All-Ireland club finals that we in Kerry remember less than fondly, involving Cookstown and Derrytresk of Tyrone and Finuge and Dromid of Kerry.
There was a very unsavoury All-Ireland U-21 semi-final involving Tyrone and Tipperary a few years ago after which Tipperary alleged that Tyrone players seemed to know the Christian names of the girlfriends and sisters of the Tipp lads.
Declan Bonner (left), when Donegal minor manager, mentioned after a game between the counties of how one of his players, whose father was very ill, heard all about it from Tyrone players.

And then there was the brawl between Armagh and Tyrone in this year's Ulster U-20 semi-final. That's a bit of a rap sheet and if Tyrone say they have no bigger problem that anyone else then they are in denial.
Sean issuing the photo of his face on social media didn't help anyone. Call me a cynic, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Sean's autobiography is out now and he needs to shift a few books, would it?

I was also annoyed by Peter Canavan's response to the coverage of the Cavanagh business, which was to accuse the media of anti-Tyrone bias. Christ, talk about having a siege mentality. It happened in Tyrone, Peter.

Fingue and Dromid started both of those fights and last year An Gaelteacht had a player sent off for striking against Moy. Very clearly a Kerry problem that has projected itself onto the wider game. It's the typical Kerry response when losing a game. Donaghy v Aidan O'Shea another example.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: seafoid on October 24, 2018, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on October 24, 2018, 09:32:40 AM
Quote from: seafoid on October 24, 2018, 09:21:26 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 23, 2018, 08:17:54 AM
Quote from: stephenite on October 23, 2018, 08:03:35 AM
If the actions of that Dingle selector were carried out by a member of an Ulster club this thread would surely be an extra 10 pages by now?

Absolutely....particularly if he was a dirty auld Tyrone hoor....
Kerry doesn't fit the model. The Dubs must be getting to them

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/pat-spillane-surrendering-september-to-give-incompetent-county-boards-time-to-run-off-games-was-a-serious-mistake-37372415.html


Tyrone doesn't have a copyright on violence and ill-discipline around GAA games, but they do have a history. There were All-Ireland club finals that we in Kerry remember less than fondly, involving Cookstown and Derrytresk of Tyrone and Finuge and Dromid of Kerry.
There was a very unsavoury All-Ireland U-21 semi-final involving Tyrone and Tipperary a few years ago after which Tipperary alleged that Tyrone players seemed to know the Christian names of the girlfriends and sisters of the Tipp lads.
Declan Bonner (left), when Donegal minor manager, mentioned after a game between the counties of how one of his players, whose father was very ill, heard all about it from Tyrone players.

And then there was the brawl between Armagh and Tyrone in this year's Ulster U-20 semi-final. That's a bit of a rap sheet and if Tyrone say they have no bigger problem that anyone else then they are in denial.
Sean issuing the photo of his face on social media didn't help anyone. Call me a cynic, but it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that Sean's autobiography is out now and he needs to shift a few books, would it?

I was also annoyed by Peter Canavan's response to the coverage of the Cavanagh business, which was to accuse the media of anti-Tyrone bias. Christ, talk about having a siege mentality. It happened in Tyrone, Peter.

So the week Kerry football is in the spotlight for on field violence, Pat writes an article having a  go at Tyrone?
You couldn't make it up.
He probably saved up all the details of Tyrone skulduggery til he had an article and then the same thing happens in Kerry. He must be very unhappy to be so isolated on the moral high ground.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 24, 2018, 10:50:26 AM
I'm not sure why that Tyrone v Tipp game keeps getting mentioned. It wasn't a dirty game and Tipp were more aggressive than Tyrone if anything. A knee to McShane comes to mind.

I don't recall any accusation of verbals at the time. However when one or two mention it since the story just grows legs.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Captain Scarlet on October 24, 2018, 12:53:00 PM
Just listening to Ciara Kelly on Newstalk and in fairness she did say 'the GAA is better than this'.
The mammies and daddies are now piping up and that is serious. No time for fuckin scummy behaviour.

The f**king saddest thing around all this is that these lads throwing punches and acting hard don't hit a fair shoulder all game or go in for the 50/50 breaking ball.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: RedHand88 on October 24, 2018, 01:11:51 PM
Quote from: befair on October 23, 2018, 11:35:25 PM
Only 8 weeks suspension is scandalous

It's disgraceful. But that's Kerry. Where such violence is tolerated.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Insane Bolt on October 24, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
It all comes down to respect.....or in the case of GAA....a total lack of it. Why are the powers that be so reluctant to adopt things that work in other sports....in particular rugby. Players address the ref with respect....usually only the captain can approach the ref to speak. In GAA, players, management and supporters in general have no respect for officials.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: The Gs Man on October 24, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Question for parents.

If your 18 or 19 year old son, playing in a minor, U21 or senior game was on the receiving end of a dirty punch and ended up with a broken nose or worse, a broken jaw, what would you do? 

Would you go to the police / guards?

Would you let the County Board sort it, with the potential of a lenient suspension being handed out?

Would you try and persuade the lad to leave the sport?

Just interested in other's experiences.  I'm not looking forward to the day my young lads are playing under the threat of something like that happening.  I'm worrying about it already.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on October 24, 2018, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on October 24, 2018, 10:50:26 AM
I'm not sure why that Tyrone v Tipp game keeps getting mentioned. It wasn't a dirty game and Tipp were more aggressive than Tyrone if anything. A knee to McShane comes to mind.

I don't recall any accusation of verbals at the time. However when one or two mention it since the story just grows legs.

To be fair the Tipp manager came out publicly to accuse Tyrone of over the top sledging. GAA did investigate, but couldn't prove anything. It was Tipp players words against Tyrone players. 
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: spuds on October 24, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
In my eyes it is as simple as a selector who has no right to be on the pitch hits a player on the field of play with all he could muster.

Is 8 weeks a suitable punishment? Not near it in my opinion.

We need to protect our players and show no tolerance to such thuggery.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 24, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
It all comes down to respect.....or in the case of GAA....a total lack of it. Why are the powers that be so reluctant to adopt things that work in other sports....in particular rugby. Players address the ref with respect....usually only the captain can approach the ref to speak. In GAA, players, management and supporters in general have no respect for officials.

Yes but rugby refs speak clearly to players and explain decisions in a matter of fact way. In gaa they don't. Take Joe McQuillan who just points and says nothing. That enrages me watchin it. God know how players feel. We need refs trained like in RUgby
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: TabClear on October 24, 2018, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 24, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
It all comes down to respect.....or in the case of GAA....a total lack of it. Why are the powers that be so reluctant to adopt things that work in other sports....in particular rugby. Players address the ref with respect....usually only the captain can approach the ref to speak. In GAA, players, management and supporters in general have no respect for officials.

Yes but rugby refs speak clearly to players and explain decisions in a matter of fact way. In gaa they don't. Take Joe McQuillan who just points and says nothing. That enrages me watchin it. God know how players feel. We need refs trained like in RUgby

Totally agree. When I played there were a few refs who would explain what had happened and were constantly talking to the players about why the free was awarded and the players generally appreciated it. You might disagree but you understood why the ref had blew the whistle. Unfortunately they were in the minority
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 24, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Quote from: spuds on October 24, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
In my eyes it is as simple as a selector who has no right to be on the pitch hits a player on the field of play with all he could muster.

Is 8 weeks a suitable punishment? Not near it in my opinion.

We need to protect our players and show no tolerance to such thuggery.
Its absolutely not a suitable punishment, but the problem i am highlighting is the ramshackle nature of the rules and suspensions. Its all over the place and range from the ridiculous 1 game ban for striking a player, to 3 months for squirting water.
There is no consistency or sense of fairness.
Perhaps if there was, there would be more of an acceptance of the punishment.
The feeling at the minute is 'why should i accept 3 months/6month / or whatever when yer man down the road got away with nothing/1 game etc etc'

Just because something was particularly bad (and that incident was bad) and caught on camera , picking a number out of the air doesnt work. it needs to be consistent and in the rules before hand.

for what its worth i think it should be more like:

Two yellows or red card for dangerous play- 1 game ban
striking or violent conduct by a player: 3 games, (with at least 1 for those games in the relevant competition)
Violent conduct as part of a melee :5 games
non playing official encroachment onto the pitch: sent to the stand, followed by a one game pitch side ban.
if it happens more than once in a season an additional 3 games
an official involved in violent conduct: 12 game sideline ban. realistically an 8 week ban (or even 12 or 24) could mean very little at this stage of the season for a team going out of the championship. Game bans are far more effective

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: TabClear on October 24, 2018, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 24, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
It all comes down to respect.....or in the case of GAA....a total lack of it. Why are the powers that be so reluctant to adopt things that work in other sports....in particular rugby. Players address the ref with respect....usually only the captain can approach the ref to speak. In GAA, players, management and supporters in general have no respect for officials.

Yes but rugby refs speak clearly to players and explain decisions in a matter of fact way. In gaa they don't. Take Joe McQuillan who just points and says nothing. That enrages me watchin it. God know how players feel. We need refs trained like in RUgby

Totally agree. When I played there were a few refs who would explain what had happened and were constantly talking to the players about why the free was awarded and the players generally appreciated it. You might disagree but you understood why the ref had blew the whistle. Unfortunately they were in the minority

Its not as easy as you think talking to the players during the game, I do it and try and have a laugh with them but there are players who never stop moaning, gets to a point were you just stop, as like anything else in life, if you are being berated the whole game for every call then you just shut down and don't bother trying to explain because its not good enough..

Id say most referee's speak to players at National level, you'll hardly hear McQuillian speak from watching him on TV or even at a county ground for that matter, teh TV keeps up with the play not the ref
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: twohands!!! on October 24, 2018, 04:04:09 PM
Brawls everywhere you look and the only action the GAA is taking in terms of the rules on discipline is reducing punishment for players who get 2 yellows in matches (instead of getting sent off like they did before, they get to go and have a sit down on the side-line for 10 minutes before they rejoin the action.)

Says it all about the GAA's approach to discipline.

Whatever is the opposite of zero-tolerance seems to be the GAA's approach.

At this stage there seems to be zero point in behaving decently on a pitch (all it does is put you at a disadvantage) - look at your man in Tralee - he stays out of the scrap, gets blindsided by a punch to the jaw and what punishment does the sc**bag get - a miserable 8 week suspension.

If the player had got stuck into the melee odds are that he wouldn't have got punched at all - says it all about the GAA disciplinary system - wade into a melee and grab arms, shoulders, the collars of jersies and you'll be fine, stay out and you are liable to get blindsided by a sneaky punch from a coward (who despite being caught bang to rights will get a miserable 8 weeks of a ban)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 04:46:52 PM
Said it before. Train the refs up to a higher standard, refs from outside counties, and more-disciplined players. Its a nationwide problem caused by poor refereeing, too many hyped up McGregors, and alot of grey area rules. The GAA needs to sort it out. I don't see players ceasing to play because of it, but for a spectacle and the reputation of the game, something needs done.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: iorras on October 24, 2018, 04:50:43 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on October 24, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Question for parents.

If your 18 or 19 year old son, playing in a minor, U21 or senior game was on the receiving end of a dirty punch and ended up with a broken nose or worse, a broken jaw, what would you do? 

Would you go to the police / guards?

Would you let the County Board sort it, with the potential of a lenient suspension being handed out?

Would you try and persuade the lad to leave the sport?

Just interested in other's experiences.  I'm not looking forward to the day my young lads are playing under the threat of something like that happening.  I'm worrying about it already.
Personally I would be inclined to go to the guards but its not as simple as that. firstly the young fella wronged may not want you to do that feeling that it'll be seen as "bad form", secondly I dont know how seriously the guards would take it and it might only make the whole thing worse.
The fundamental problem is that if you involve the law in these situations you are seen as a bit of a bollix. There are very few in ireland who will admit when their own are wrong but we have the highest of high standards when it comes to the "other crowd" whoever they may be. We need alot more honesty around a wrong being a wrong, and get away from the rediculous tendency to underplay an action either because a) we know the person who did it and "hes a lovely lad off the field" and "its totally out of charachter" or b) "sure he wasnt that badly hurt" just because the injured party doesnt end up with a jaw full of wire and eating through a straw for 6 weeks. If you box someone, especially if they are not expecting it, its only luck when they are not seriously injured.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: TabClear on October 24, 2018, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 24, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
It all comes down to respect.....or in the case of GAA....a total lack of it. Why are the powers that be so reluctant to adopt things that work in other sports....in particular rugby. Players address the ref with respect....usually only the captain can approach the ref to speak. In GAA, players, management and supporters in general have no respect for officials.

Yes but rugby refs speak clearly to players and explain decisions in a matter of fact way. In gaa they don't. Take Joe McQuillan who just points and says nothing. That enrages me watchin it. God know how players feel. We need refs trained like in RUgby

Totally agree. When I played there were a few refs who would explain what had happened and were constantly talking to the players about why the free was awarded and the players generally appreciated it. You might disagree but you understood why the ref had blew the whistle. Unfortunately they were in the minority

Its not as easy as you think talking to the players during the game, I do it and try and have a laugh with them but there are players who never stop moaning, gets to a point were you just stop, as like anything else in life, if you are being berated the whole game for every call then you just shut down and don't bother trying to explain because its not good enough..

Id say most referee's speak to players at National level, you'll hardly hear McQuillian speak from watching him on TV or even at a county ground for that matter, teh TV keeps up with the play not the ref

Refs just seem to stand and point. Never explains his decision while players go berserk in frustration.

Players will piss and moan yes, so either book any player who argues, or move the ball up. And keep moving the ball up until he stops arguing
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on October 24, 2018, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: TabClear on October 24, 2018, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 24, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
It all comes down to respect.....or in the case of GAA....a total lack of it. Why are the powers that be so reluctant to adopt things that work in other sports....in particular rugby. Players address the ref with respect....usually only the captain can approach the ref to speak. In GAA, players, management and supporters in general have no respect for officials.

Yes but rugby refs speak clearly to players and explain decisions in a matter of fact way. In gaa they don't. Take Joe McQuillan who just points and says nothing. That enrages me watchin it. God know how players feel. We need refs trained like in RUgby

Totally agree. When I played there were a few refs who would explain what had happened and were constantly talking to the players about why the free was awarded and the players generally appreciated it. You might disagree but you understood why the ref had blew the whistle. Unfortunately they were in the minority

Its not as easy as you think talking to the players during the game, I do it and try and have a laugh with them but there are players who never stop moaning, gets to a point were you just stop, as like anything else in life, if you are being berated the whole game for every call then you just shut down and don't bother trying to explain because its not good enough..

Id say most referee's speak to players at National level, you'll hardly hear McQuillian speak from watching him on TV or even at a county ground for that matter, teh TV keeps up with the play not the ref

Refs just seem to stand and point. Never explains his decision while players go berserk in frustration.

Players will piss and moan yes, so either book any player who argues, or move the ball up. And keep moving the ball up until he stops arguing
You are only allowed to move it once.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: lenny on October 24, 2018, 07:07:49 PM
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on October 24, 2018, 07:06:20 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 06:25:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: TabClear on October 24, 2018, 02:16:52 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on October 24, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
Quote from: Insane Bolt on October 24, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
It all comes down to respect.....or in the case of GAA....a total lack of it. Why are the powers that be so reluctant to adopt things that work in other sports....in particular rugby. Players address the ref with respect....usually only the captain can approach the ref to speak. In GAA, players, management and supporters in general have no respect for officials.

Yes but rugby refs speak clearly to players and explain decisions in a matter of fact way. In gaa they don't. Take Joe McQuillan who just points and says nothing. That enrages me watchin it. God know how players feel. We need refs trained like in RUgby

Totally agree. When I played there were a few refs who would explain what had happened and were constantly talking to the players about why the free was awarded and the players generally appreciated it. You might disagree but you understood why the ref had blew the whistle. Unfortunately they were in the minority

Its not as easy as you think talking to the players during the game, I do it and try and have a laugh with them but there are players who never stop moaning, gets to a point were you just stop, as like anything else in life, if you are being berated the whole game for every call then you just shut down and don't bother trying to explain because its not good enough..

Id say most referee's speak to players at National level, you'll hardly hear McQuillian speak from watching him on TV or even at a county ground for that matter, teh TV keeps up with the play not the ref

Refs just seem to stand and point. Never explains his decision while players go berserk in frustration.

Players will piss and moan yes, so either book any player who argues, or move the ball up. And keep moving the ball up until he stops arguing
You are only allowed to move it once.

The ref can move it more than once though. As many times as he likes.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dire Ear on October 24, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
Quote from: The Gs Man on October 24, 2018, 01:42:58 PM
Question for parents.

If your 18 or 19 year old son, playing in a minor, U21 or senior game was on the receiving end of a dirty punch and ended up with a broken nose or worse, a broken jaw, what would you do? 

Would you go to the police / guards?

Would you let the County Board sort it, with the potential of a lenient suspension being handed out?

Would you try and persuade the lad to leave the sport?

Just interested in other's experiences.  I'm not looking forward to the day my young lads are playing under the threat of something like that happening.  I'm worrying about it already.
Would love to be able to go to the cops, but couldn't
Wouldn't trust the county board,  the rules are not tight enough for the subsequent appeals.
If he wanted to leave , I wouldn't stop him;  his happiness and safety would be the no.1 factor
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Stall the Bailer on October 24, 2018, 07:12:07 PM
Not according to the rule book. Part of the problem, a lot of players, managers, supporters and some refs don't know the rules.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help

Refs do that, and some don't, they might not have the personality or confidence to do it but they know the rules... I'm bored of the easy touch of "it's the refs fault, he's lost control" play the ball tackle hard and in the rules and you'll be fine. Lift your fists is your own problem and be ready to accept the what's coming to you..

Pat as you say was a great man. Spoke well and had the pleasure of hearing him at a conference at Croke Park, I would take issue with some of his decisions (like I would as a supporter) when he ref'd Ya in the Ulster championship mind you.

If someone busts up your kid BC1 how will you react?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help

Refs do that, and some don't, they might not have the personality or confidence to do it but they know the rules... I'm bored of the easy touch of "it's the refs fault, he's lost control" play the ball tackle hard and in the rules and you'll be fine. Lift your fists is your own problem and be ready to accept the what's coming to you..

Pat as you say was a great man. Spoke well and had the pleasure of hearing him at a conference at Croke Park, I would take issue with some of his decisions (like I would as a supporter) when he ref'd Ya in the Ulster championship mind you.

If someone busts up your kid BC1 how will you react?

Nearly certain BC1 won't go to the peelers anyway. Plus bust is too general. If you're judas'd from behind then go ahead and get the police involved if you so wish. But for some innocuous punch, or two lads duking it out, its a bad road to go down.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 08:37:58 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help

Refs do that, and some don't, they might not have the personality or confidence to do it but they know the rules... I'm bored of the easy touch of "it's the refs fault, he's lost control" play the ball tackle hard and in the rules and you'll be fine. Lift your fists is your own problem and be ready to accept the what's coming to you..

Pat as you say was a great man. Spoke well and had the pleasure of hearing him at a conference at Croke Park, I would take issue with some of his decisions (like I would as a supporter) when he ref'd Ya in the Ulster championship mind you.

If someone busts up your kid BC1 how will you react?

Nearly certain BC1 won't go to the peelers anyway. Plus bust is too general. If you're judas'd from behind then go ahead and get the police involved if you so wish. But for some innocuous punch, or two lads duking it out, its a bad road to go down.

I put it to you and used same thing and you said, it was the ref's fault or it's part of the game, take your medicine and move on.. so BC1 is big enough and ugly enough to respond. As far as you're concerned assaulting someone during a game is ok
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 08:37:58 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help

Refs do that, and some don't, they might not have the personality or confidence to do it but they know the rules... I'm bored of the easy touch of "it's the refs fault, he's lost control" play the ball tackle hard and in the rules and you'll be fine. Lift your fists is your own problem and be ready to accept the what's coming to you..

Pat as you say was a great man. Spoke well and had the pleasure of hearing him at a conference at Croke Park, I would take issue with some of his decisions (like I would as a supporter) when he ref'd Ya in the Ulster championship mind you.

If someone busts up your kid BC1 how will you react?

Nearly certain BC1 won't go to the peelers anyway. Plus bust is too general. If you're judas'd from behind then go ahead and get the police involved if you so wish. But for some innocuous punch, or two lads duking it out, its a bad road to go down.

I put it to you and used same thing and you said, it was the ref's fault or it's part of the game, take your medicine and move on.. so BC1 is big enough and ugly enough to respond. As far as you're concerned assaulting someone during a game is ok

If a man ran into the field like the Dingle man and struck a child of mine causing him serious injury I would have no issue going to the police.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Main Street on October 24, 2018, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help

Refs do that, and some don't, they might not have the personality or confidence to do it but they know the rules... I'm bored of the easy touch of "it's the refs fault, he's lost control" play the ball tackle hard and in the rules and you'll be fine. Lift your fists is your own problem and be ready to accept the what's coming to you..

Pat as you say was a great man. Spoke well and had the pleasure of hearing him at a conference at Croke Park, I would take issue with some of his decisions (like I would as a supporter) when he ref'd Ya in the Ulster championship mind you.

If someone busts up your kid BC1 how will you react?
He's still alive, still refereeing and still a great man.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 11:38:36 PM
Quote from: Main Street on October 24, 2018, 11:05:06 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help

Refs do that, and some don't, they might not have the personality or confidence to do it but they know the rules... I'm bored of the easy touch of "it's the refs fault, he's lost control" play the ball tackle hard and in the rules and you'll be fine. Lift your fists is your own problem and be ready to accept the what's coming to you..

Pat as you say was a great man. Spoke well and had the pleasure of hearing him at a conference at Croke Park, I would take issue with some of his decisions (like I would as a supporter) when he ref'd Ya in the Ulster championship mind you.

If someone busts up your kid BC1 how will you react?
He's still alive, still refereeing and still a great man.

I was talking inter county refereeing, not dead or not refereeing, but yeah had heard he still had the whistle, very fit man was telling us his training regime.. would embarrass a few county players
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Solo_run on October 30, 2018, 01:09:44 PM
It would be interesting to see how many cards are issued in each county over the course of the club championships
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: illdecide on October 30, 2018, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 08:37:58 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 24, 2018, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 24, 2018, 07:26:30 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 24, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Pat McEananey was great for talking to you about fouls etc. He'd often say to you in a break of play....I saw that off the ball or that was too high, too late, I'm keeping an eye on the holding etc. It made it easier to play then. I think that type of approach with the refs rather than being dictator like would help

Refs do that, and some don't, they might not have the personality or confidence to do it but they know the rules... I'm bored of the easy touch of "it's the refs fault, he's lost control" play the ball tackle hard and in the rules and you'll be fine. Lift your fists is your own problem and be ready to accept the what's coming to you..

Pat as you say was a great man. Spoke well and had the pleasure of hearing him at a conference at Croke Park, I would take issue with some of his decisions (like I would as a supporter) when he ref'd Ya in the Ulster championship mind you.

If someone busts up your kid BC1 how will you react?

Nearly certain BC1 won't go to the peelers anyway. Plus bust is too general. If you're judas'd from behind then go ahead and get the police involved if you so wish. But for some innocuous punch, or two lads duking it out, its a bad road to go down.

I put it to you and used same thing and you said, it was the ref's fault or it's part of the game, take your medicine and move on.. so BC1 is big enough and ugly enough to respond. As far as you're concerned assaulting someone during a game is ok

If a man ran into the field like the Dingle man and struck a child of mine causing him serious injury I would have no issue going to the police.

On the disappearance of the man to be later found on the Blaney Rd in a black bin bag ;) :)
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
Why is the GAA held to such different standard to other gaes just saw highlight from munsters brawl last weekend . 2 massive punch up not a peep from anywhere.
is it tat thuggery is so ingrained in Rigby that no one even notices it any more?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 31, 2018, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
Why is the GAA held to such different standard to other gaes just saw highlight from munsters brawl last weekend . 2 massive punch up not a peep from anywhere.
is it tat thuggery is so ingrained in Rigby that no one even notices it any more?

Any member's of the Munster management chin a player on the blind side? Any Munster players jump the fence?
List the last few massive punch ups in Rugby you've seen prior to last weekend.  Do rugby players / management usually take their punishment and move on?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2018, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
Why is the GAA held to such different standard to other gaes just saw highlight from munsters brawl last weekend . 2 massive punch up not a peep from anywhere.
is it tat thuggery is so ingrained in Rigby that no one even notices it any more?

Any member's of the Munster management chin a player on the blind side? Any Munster players jump the fence?
List the last few massive punch ups in Rugby you've seen prior to last weekend.  Do rugby players / management usually take their punishment and move on?
why wouldn't they no one was suspended its not like anyone put his foot over the offside line ,


heres a selection of the jolly japes you rugger folk get up to
http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/5-of-rugbys-biggest-punch-ups/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-match-erupts-violence-huge-13346032
https://vid-moon.com/video/gRT1iOANgOn5nAqZgE
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/12203069/Mass-rugby-punch-up-between-Royal-Navy-and-French-navy.html


or the legal violence that caused the premature retirements in 2018 alone of
sam wharbuton
Christian wade
Joe Marler
tim visser
james heaslip
Bryan Habana
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: JoG2 on October 31, 2018, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2018, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
Why is the GAA held to such different standard to other gaes just saw highlight from munsters brawl last weekend . 2 massive punch up not a peep from anywhere.
is it tat thuggery is so ingrained in Rigby that no one even notices it any more?

Any member's of the Munster management chin a player on the blind side? Any Munster players jump the fence?
List the last few massive punch ups in Rugby you've seen prior to last weekend.  Do rugby players / management usually take their punishment and move on?
why wouldn't they no one was suspended its not like anyone put his foot over the offside line ,


heres a selection of the jolly japes you rugger folk get up to
http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/5-of-rugbys-biggest-punch-ups/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-match-erupts-violence-huge-13346032
https://vid-moon.com/video/gRT1iOANgOn5nAqZgE
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/12203069/Mass-rugby-punch-up-between-Royal-Navy-and-French-navy.html


or the legal violence that caused the premature retirements in 2018 alone of
sam wharbuton
Christian wade
Joe Marler
tim visser
james heaslip
Bryan Habana

That's me banged to rights, clips from 2014/2016 from around the globe.

Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2019, 12:38:49 PM
Seen a nice clip from the Newbridge Glenullin match last night. As cowardice an action as you'll see. The hit, and then running off to hide.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on August 09, 2019, 01:09:33 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 04:38:18 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on October 31, 2018, 03:06:40 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 31, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
Why is the GAA held to such different standard to other gaes just saw highlight from munsters brawl last weekend . 2 massive punch up not a peep from anywhere.
is it tat thuggery is so ingrained in Rigby that no one even notices it any more?

Any member's of the Munster management chin a player on the blind side? Any Munster players jump the fence?
List the last few massive punch ups in Rugby you've seen prior to last weekend.  Do rugby players / management usually take their punishment and move on?
why wouldn't they no one was suspended its not like anyone put his foot over the offside line ,


heres a selection of the jolly japes you rugger folk get up to
http://www.punditarena.com/rugby/adrumm/5-of-rugbys-biggest-punch-ups/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-match-erupts-violence-huge-13346032
https://vid-moon.com/video/gRT1iOANgOn5nAqZgE
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/12203069/Mass-rugby-punch-up-between-Royal-Navy-and-French-navy.html


or the legal violence that caused the premature retirements in 2018 alone of
sam wharbuton
Christian wade
Joe Marler
tim visser
james heaslip
Bryan Habana

Christian Wade scored a touchdown yesterday on his NFL debut.

Indivudals who take part in sport get injured. There's not a contact sport in the world were players won't ever have to retire because of injuries they might pick up competing. That's just life.

Thedifference between rugby and GAA is they are starting to take player welfare seriously. Concussion protocols are in place for any head injury, while in the GAA players are left on the pitch unless they aren't able to stand.

In rugby you go in front of a disciplinary committee for you hearing and that's that. If you get suspended, that's that. None of this ridiculous appealing based on technicalities like how the forms were filled out or where there any spelling mistakes
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: LooseCannon on August 10, 2019, 10:11:17 AM
Anyone see the video from Derry? Cowardice.
Broke the other lad's jaw I think.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Hoof Hearted on August 10, 2019, 10:30:19 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2019, 12:38:49 PM
Seen a nice clip from the Newbridge Glenullin match last night. As cowardice an action as you'll see. The hit, and then running off to hide.

Quote from: LooseCannon on August 10, 2019, 10:11:17 AM
Anyone see the video from Derry? Cowardice.
Broke the other lad's jaw I think.

Both the same
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 10, 2019, 11:38:57 AM
Violence at club level in rugby is practically non-existent.

2 reasons at J2 level and below it's mainly a social game and players just want their run around. Not completely clean though and red cards are issued, shortest suspension for a straight red is normally 4 weeks unless 2 yellows and red card might be deeemed sufficient.

J1 and above, every game is more or less videoed, clubs can cite players for violent acts and provide video evidence.

The disciplinary committee meets every Thursday evening to review all such incidents. These committees always has at least one barrister, there is no spirit of the law, they are pretty ruthless.

As for concussion, the culture in rugby has completely changed. Any suspected head injury and the player is removed.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 07:29:14 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?

A night on the lash.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:30:59 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 07:29:14 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?

A night on the lash.

;D
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 08:33:52 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?

An elbow in the gut?
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?
He got a nasty (but deserved) belt in the guts. I'd say that was it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 11:48:01 AM
I'd say O'Callaghan woke up sore this morning. A knee in the chest from Hennelly and an elbow in the chest late on from O'Donoghue which warranted a straight red card.

Watched the Derry club match punch from behind and that was on a different scale, that was outright thuggery.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on August 11, 2019, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?
He got a nasty (but deserved) belt in the guts. I'd say that was it.

It was shortly after the elbow to the ribs in fairness that caused him to vomit. Can only have been a sympathy decision based on the scoreboard by the linesman/ref not to send him off.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: AZOffaly on August 11, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
I thought when he got clattered by the goalie he banged his head on the ground. I was surprised he wasnt brought off then.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 05:53:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 11, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
I thought when he got clattered by the goalie he banged his head on the ground. I was surprised he wasnt brought off then.

That's what I thought, I have never seen anyone get sick from a thump in the guts.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 07:12:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 11, 2019, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?
He got a nasty (but deserved) belt in the guts. I'd say that was it.

It was shortly after the elbow to the ribs in fairness that caused him to vomit. Can only have been a sympathy decision based on the scoreboard by the linesman/ref not to send him off.
Meh. He didn't get a belt for being a good boy if you watch it. He's a big boy and well fit to dish it out and take it.
Title: Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 07:12:05 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 11, 2019, 05:48:29 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on August 11, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Con O'callaghan was left on for 10 mins after a heavy blow to the head yesterday. When he eventually did come off he puked his guts up on the sideline. Remind me what vomiting is a symptom of again?
He got a nasty (but deserved) belt in the guts. I'd say that was it.

It was shortly after the elbow to the ribs in fairness that caused him to vomit. Can only have been a sympathy decision based on the scoreboard by the linesman/ref not to send him off.
Meh. He didn't get a belt for being a good boy if you watch it. He's a big boy and well fit to dish it out and take it.

Doesn't mean it's not a red card. It seems who you are and/or who you play for now decide how fouls/assaults are judged.