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Title: Pacts in the North.
Post by: T Fearon on April 25, 2017, 10:49:04 PM
Seems like the tribes cannot even agree themselves internally on candidates and which constituencies to step aside from etc.Another example of the utterly failed philosophies of unionism and nationalism and the splits therein.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: laoislad on April 25, 2017, 10:51:13 PM
Brilliant. Another thread about the North.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: omaghjoe on April 25, 2017, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 25, 2017, 10:51:13 PM
Brilliant. Another thread about the North.

Its Funny, I rarely look in the Golf or soccer threads
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 25, 2017, 11:16:44 PM
The greens have sunk the antibrexit alliance. Disapointed. I know bailey instead of mcdonnell in south belfast is not a bad idea but they couldnt honestly believe the sitting MP would step aside when he gets triple their vote. Dont know why they couldnt let bailey go for north belfast or something. The abortion talk is pish i thought the pact was about brexit if it was about other issues then why discuss pact in the first place. Still i back them over Alliance. Alliance claiming they entered a nationalist sectarian pact. The fact the greens and possible independents involved means alliance are talking shite. My respect for them has dropped significantly in the last few days.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: armaghniac on April 25, 2017, 11:44:47 PM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on April 25, 2017, 11:16:44 PM
The greens have sunk the antibrexit alliance. Disapointed. I know bailey instead of mcdonnell in south belfast is not a bad idea but they couldnt honestly believe the sitting MP would step aside when he gets triple their vote. Dont know why they couldnt let bailey go for north belfast or something. The abortion talk is pish i thought the pact was about brexit if it was about other issues then why discuss pact in the first place. Still i back them over Alliance. Alliance claiming they entered a nationalist sectarian pact. The fact the greens and possible independents involved means alliance are talking shite. My respect for them has dropped significantly in the last few days.

As you say, neither Alliance nor the Greens come out of this with any credit. Alliance for characterising it as a nationalist pact, when it was their refusal to join that made it so and the Greens for a gratuitous comment about abortion, which would be decided in Stormont anyway and where allowing the DUP get elected would not be lead to any different outcome. It is sad that civic society has not managed any sort of anti Brexit gathering of any sort, that you cannot oppose Brexit just because SF happen to be in against it.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Eamonnca1 on April 26, 2017, 12:09:12 AM
Quote from: laoislad on April 25, 2017, 10:51:13 PM
Brilliant. Another thread about the North.

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Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2017, 06:20:04 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 25, 2017, 10:49:04 PM
Seems like the tribes cannot even agree themselves internally on candidates and which constituencies to step aside from etc.Another example of the utterly failed philosophies of unionism and nationalism and the splits therein.
It is par for the course in the UK at the moment. The Tories and the Unionists wont address how potential dangerous Brexit is. The referendum opeed a Pandora Box.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Avondhu star on April 26, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on April 25, 2017, 10:49:04 PM
Seems like the tribes cannot even agree themselves internally on candidates and which constituencies to step aside from etc.Another example of the utterly failed philosophies of unionism and nationalism and the splits therein.

Its as bad across the water. The pro Brexit Tories will win lots of seats even though there will be a majority voting against them in many constituencies
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: north_antrim_hound on April 26, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
Alliance get most of their votes from unionist strongholds
Any pact with nationalist would swing a lot of their vote back over to unionist I would have thought
It's the only reason I can see
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Ronnie on April 26, 2017, 10:22:20 AM
Naomi Long will most likely win East Belfast.  IMO David Forde could win in East Londonderry, North Belfast, South Belfast, Upper Bann or North Down if his manifesto committed to ensuring a single market with the Republic of Ireland.  SF and SDLP could probably live with that.  Any word on where Claire Sugden is standing? Your constituency will always be DUP.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: T Fearon on April 26, 2017, 06:13:15 PM
Claire Sugden is an MLA not a Westminster candidate
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: OakleafCounty on April 27, 2017, 08:41:06 AM
South Belfast is the only seat the Green Party could have had a chance of winning so there's nothing in it for them. Why would they say yes to being used as a pawn by Colm Eastwood for no reward. 
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Keyser soze on April 27, 2017, 09:27:12 AM
I must say you are giving me a good laugh Ronnie, your lack of knowledge exceeded only by the absolute conviction with which you propound your predictions. I really hope you're not a WUM.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Ronnie on April 27, 2017, 09:58:35 AM
Quote from: Keyser soze on April 27, 2017, 09:27:12 AM
I must say you are giving me a good laugh Ronnie, your lack of knowledge exceeded only by the absolute conviction with which you propound your predictions. I really hope you're not a WUM.

No. I wouldnt be regarded as funny. Thanks
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: stew on April 27, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Brexit is happening and the liberals need to accept that, the people voted so why do we need to vote again?????

It seems to me the liberal snowflakes the world over want do overs when they dont get what they want, f**k them! The rules of democracy need to be applied everywhere and I would bor be a fan of brexit, i simply accept the will of the people.



Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Franko on April 27, 2017, 05:47:20 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Brexit is happening and the liberals need to accept that, the people voted so why do we need to vote again?????

It seems to me the liberal snowflakes the world over want do overs when they dont get what they want, f**k them! The rules of democracy need to be applied everywhere and I would bor be a fan of brexit, i simply accept the will of the people.

Well thought through this one.  The idea behind these pacts is to support the will of the people of the north, who overwhelmingly used their democratic right to reject brexit.  No do-overs required.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: imtommygunn on April 27, 2017, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2017, 05:41:01 PM
Brexit is happening and the liberals need to accept that, the people voted so why do we need to vote again?????

It seems to me the liberal snowflakes the world over want do overs when they dont get what they want, f**k them! The rules of democracy need to be applied everywhere and I would bor be a fan of brexit, i simply accept the will of the people.

Would you describe 48% of the uk as a liberal? Given the tories are in power that would hardly be the case - no?  Or is anyone who doesn't share your views a liberal?

Or is just the people of "the north" who are liberals? What about the scottish?
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Rossfan on April 27, 2017, 10:33:02 PM
In stewland it seems the word "liberal" is a massive insult.
In the it her 99.99999999999999999% of the world it's a complement.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: The Trap on April 27, 2017, 10:55:25 PM
Naomi Long has some day of arms on her
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: Owen Brannigan on April 27, 2017, 11:21:46 PM
Naomi met her match tonight with Nicola Mallon and she was well rattled which you don't often see.
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 30, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on April 27, 2017, 11:21:46 PM
Naomi met her match tonight with Nicola Mallon and she was well rattled which you don't often see.

Just watched the view on iplayer. Not often i get annoyed with naomi long but she was talking so much sh1te. Unforunately big Al came across as bad as always when interviewed but no real alternative in SB so he gets my vote again. Mom too far behid to seriously challenge
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: imtommygunn on April 30, 2017, 12:58:19 PM
I usually quite like her but her pact stance and reasoning isn't really endearing her to people.

Is mom that far behind?
Title: Re: Pacts in the North.
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on April 30, 2017, 01:15:26 PM
The assembly election sdlp got 8500 and sf 7500 so its close at first glance but noone is going to lend Sf a vote but i reckon McDonnell could get up to an extra 3000 borrowed votes from greens, alliance and socialists to keep the dup out (although he did his best to annoy any green voters with his interview the muppet). Obviously with a unionist unity candidate its game over.