CPA (Club Players Association)

Started by ck, October 18, 2016, 12:02:38 AM

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The Trap

I don't know if a CPA would work unless it got a massive membership who were prepared to back the leadership. I do think however that the powers that be at county provincial and national level should take note that something "more than words" needs to be done to adjust the calendar to ensure that club players get a fixtures schedule that they can plan their lives around.
At present county players know when their games are, Colleges players know when their games are and schools players know when their games are.
In order to do this county players are not always going to be available to their clubs but they should play 7 days before a county league game and 13 days before a county championship game (no exceptions)..........

ck

#47
This can all be sorted out easily. The biggest problem in GAA is that there are too many grades which have competitions that overlap. This means players are caught in the middle.

A simple solution is to split the season in two. County NFL and Cship, Jan - June and Club May - October.

five points

Quote from: ck on October 19, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
This can all be sorted out easily. The biggest problem in GAA is that there are too many grades which have competitions that overlap. This means players are caught in the middle.

A simple solution is to split the season in two. County NFL and Cship, Jan - June and Club May - October.

No club football or hurling until May every year - right when exams start, and just before students go away for the summer - would kill an awful lot of clubs. And for a county that reaches an All Ireland final in June (June???!!!), there will be no club games til July.

We may as well send in the liquidators now and be done with it.

Kickham csc

Quote from: ck on October 19, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
This can all be sorted out easily. The biggest problem in GAA is that there are too many grades which have competitions that overlap. This means players are caught in the middle.

A simple solution is to split the season in two. County NFL and Cship, Jan - June and Club May - October.

The only problem with this is the dual clubs and the squeeze put on dual players, but def agree on the principle, divide the year out into seasons

thewobbler

Quote from: five points on October 20, 2016, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: ck on October 19, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
This can all be sorted out easily. The biggest problem in GAA is that there are too many grades which have competitions that overlap. This means players are caught in the middle.

A simple solution is to split the season in two. County NFL and Cship, Jan - June and Club May - October.

No club football or hurling until May every year - right when exams start, and just before students go away for the summer - would kill an awful lot of clubs. And for a county that reaches an All Ireland final in June (June???!!!), there will be no club games til July.

We may as well send in the liquidators now and be done with it.

And therein, yet again, lies the problem.

Club players don't want to play second fiddle to county schedules, but not do they want to play games without their players.

They want their cake, they want to eat it, they want the person they took it from to watch them eat it, and they want to leave the mess behind them.

Hopefully sooner or later it'll dawn on everyone that either both sides give a little, or else go their separate ways.

ck

Quote from: five points on October 20, 2016, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: ck on October 19, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
This can all be sorted out easily. The biggest problem in GAA is that there are too many grades which have competitions that overlap. This means players are caught in the middle.

A simple solution is to split the season in two. County NFL and Cship, Jan - June and Club May - October.

No club football or hurling until May every year - right when exams start, and just before students go away for the summer - would kill an awful lot of clubs. And for a county that reaches an All Ireland final in June (June???!!!), there will be no club games til July.

We may as well send in the liquidators now and be done with it.

Such nonsense. Club leagues usually start around easter as it is, before months of no games. My proposal would mean the club season starts, and doesn't stop.

five points

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Quote from: ck on October 20, 2016, 09:13:57 PM
Quote from: five points on October 20, 2016, 11:43:10 AM
Quote from: ck on October 19, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
This can all be sorted out easily. The biggest problem in GAA is that there are too many grades which have competitions that overlap. This means players are caught in the middle.

A simple solution is to split the season in two. County NFL and Cship, Jan - June and Club May - October.

No club football or hurling until May every year - right when exams start, and just before students go away for the summer - would kill an awful lot of clubs. And for a county that reaches an All Ireland final in June (June???!!!), there will be no club games til July.

We may as well send in the liquidators now and be done with it.

Such nonsense. Club leagues usually start around easter as it is, before months of no games. My proposal would mean the club season starts, and doesn't stop.

You mean it wouldn't start at all. No serious modern competitive sport lets its players idle for 9 months of the year.

There's no reason why club players can't be guaranteed at least 2 competitive league games in each of March, April and May if the intercounty national leagues calendar is tailored accordingly

Declan


Lone Shark

A big factor here is that it's easy to diagnose the problem, but it's far from easy to come up with a solution.

To give one example, in my own home club of Ferbane. We have representatives on the county minor, under-21 and senior panels in football and hurling. Now as it happens, none of the minors were starting for the seniors this year but that would be unusual in and of itself. Last year we would have had both. Now in Offaly, there would be rules that would state that:

(1) If a county minor is playing a championship game on saturday, then his club can be fixed to play championship on Sunday
(2) For the National league, the county manager must name his 26 players midweek and then all other panelists are available to play club league that weekend.
(3) No "training weekends" or any other such nonsense when county players are unavailable for their clubs in the league.

Now bear in mind that last year, neither our senior footballers nor senior hurlers made any real inroads into their competitions - and yet every single weekend from the 23rd of April through to the middle of July was within 7 days of an Offaly hurling or football championship.


Now it's the easiest thing in the world to talk about clubs being the bedrock and all that, but what actual practical solutions can you put in place for a situation like that? Condensing the county championship is certainly welcome but you're still going to have huge swathes of the summer when county players are unavailable to their clubs - the gaps just aren't there.

Jinxy

Hurling and football every other weekend with the first weekend in every month kept free.
Clubs with small picks need all hands on deck but it should be possible to have regular games without flogging the players.
Allow clubs to do a proper pre-season and then let them keep fit by playing instead of training.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

Farrandeelin

Probably going off on a tangent, but why isn't there a Master fixture list for clubs. I know each county has their own, but looking at the Connacht club thread, which says it all regarding clubs and club players. FFS if the Mayo/Tourlestrane game ends in a draw the replay is the following day.

What I'm trying to say is the central council should take over club fixtures, lay down rules that are similar in every county, I. e every county must have knockout/groups etc. Until this happens counties who kowtow to managers wishes and shaft the ordinary club players will continue.
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Rossfan

If they can get the Ulster Council to tighten up their feckin Championship then all other rescheduling tasks will be a doddle!
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

ck

Quote from: Rossfan on October 24, 2016, 09:42:33 PM
If they can get the Ulster Council to tighten up their feckin Championship then all other rescheduling tasks will be a doddle!

It's got nothing to do with Ulster council. Everything to do with incompetent county boards who decide to run off their championships in a few weeks at the end of a season.
Provincial councils fix their fixtures and stick to them, the compete opposite to county boards.

five points

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 24, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
What I'm trying to say is the central council should take over club fixtures, lay down rules that are similar in every county, I. e every county must have knockout/groups etc. Until this happens counties who kowtow to managers wishes and shaft the ordinary club players will continue.

I'd say the switchboard operator in Croke Park will be delighted to take a call on a Sunday morning telling her that the pitch in Farrandeelin is flooded at the bottom end, or that Johnny the scoreboard man's grandad is on the way out and the game might have to be put off if he dies.