Will you get a Covid vaccine if one becomes available in 2021?

[dublin7]

The Covid figure in UK is pie in the sky, is what I was alluding to.

Fine it's pie in the sky.

What would you do if you were in charge on dealing with Covid? You clearly don't believe in the vaccines, so please tell what other solutions are available to get the country/economy back to some sort of normality in 2021?

Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant missed medical appointments, missed cancer diagnosis, mental health issues, abuse, isolation, unemployment etc. to save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

More nonsense as usual. Did your chemical engineer friend tell you the hospitals are empty? That's the kind of ridiculous fake facts he and you seem to specialise in


There are patients being treated in the car park of Antrim hospital tonight because the hospital is full.

Your ignorance isn't funny, it's actually dangerous. People who are unsure about the vaccine hear the paranoia and nonsense from people like yourself in the media and they start to doubt themselves. Fighting the disinformation from the anti vaccine loons will be a major issue for all governments to deal with.

Apart from the speed the vaccine was developed, which the medical experts have answered you can't offer any reasonable explanation why not to take the vaccine. You also offer no alternative to not taking it so what exactly do you want to happen in 2021?

No my doctor friend if you care to look back told me that at the start for the first months she went to an empty covid ward once a week and did nothing, so who covered her patients appointments then? I also said nightingale hospitals, but you make up your own lies.  So have we a situation now where covid patients irrespective of what their condition is take full precedence over every other medical condition - maybe if they triaged them a bit better, there were less than 10 in ICU so if you have a cough do you get a bed ahead of everyone else?

I don't see the 10pm news every evening telling how many daily deaths there were due to cancer, or how many new diagnosis of cancer or other illnesses, it's a covid state.  I also don't see any news outlet mention that the hospitals were a shambles before covid due to no executive for 3 years and no investment.

The hospitals are full now with Covid patients and are at breaking point. Ask your doctor/chemical engineer friend why they think it's bad idea to keep people with low immune systems away from a building full of people with a highly contagious and life threatening disease? A number of people who died from covid have had underlying medical conditions which made puts anyone in this category at higher risk.

Also if an individual has cancer he can't go home and infect anyone else. If he/she goes to a hospital and picks up covid they can bring it home and pass it on to an infinite amount of people.


You also never answered what you think will happen in 2021. You claim you are not anti vaccine, but insist the chemical companies are using people to trial the vaccine and clearly don't believe in it so what do you think the government should do in 2021. Surely you have an opinion on that. 

[Seaney]

So have we a situation now where covid patients irrespective of what their condition is take full precedence over every other medical condition - maybe if they triaged them a bit better, there were less than 10 in ICU so if you have a cough do you get a bed ahead of everyone else?

We have a situation now where patients with every other medical condition are being infected with COVID on the wards because the system has collapsed under pressure.

Pressure which has come about because the government was far too reticent in implementing and enforcing clear lockdowns.

Alternatively pressure has come about because the health system has been ignored for decades, brexit didn't help chasing foreign staff away, the first lockdown was bought in by everyone, nothing was achieved in this period as the government did feck all during these months, track and trace has been a shambles, eat out to help out was a disaster, telling everyone to get back to the office was a disaster, covid is a scourge but the bigger scourge is how the politicians handled it and that wider impact on society.  Everyone is talking about the vulnerable as being those over 80 in a care home, what about those with disabilities, those in abusive relationships, those committing suicide because they have lost their jobs, those who are in isolation for months and months.

[Seaney]

The Covid figure in UK is pie in the sky, is what I was alluding to.

Fine it's pie in the sky.

What would you do if you were in charge on dealing with Covid? You clearly don't believe in the vaccines, so please tell what other solutions are available to get the country/economy back to some sort of normality in 2021?

Again if you quote where I said that it would be great ta, and as mentioned I am not in charge, but what hasn't helped the country is failed lockdowns and the resultant missed medical appointments, missed cancer diagnosis, mental health issues, abuse, isolation, unemployment etc. to save a health care where all the predictions were horseshite and where nightingale hospitals lay empty along with covid wards.

More nonsense as usual. Did your chemical engineer friend tell you the hospitals are empty? That's the kind of ridiculous fake facts he and you seem to specialise in


There are patients being treated in the car park of Antrim hospital tonight because the hospital is full.

Your ignorance isn't funny, it's actually dangerous. People who are unsure about the vaccine hear the paranoia and nonsense from people like yourself in the media and they start to doubt themselves. Fighting the disinformation from the anti vaccine loons will be a major issue for all governments to deal with.

Apart from the speed the vaccine was developed, which the medical experts have answered you can't offer any reasonable explanation why not to take the vaccine. You also offer no alternative to not taking it so what exactly do you want to happen in 2021?

No my doctor friend if you care to look back told me that at the start for the first months she went to an empty covid ward once a week and did nothing, so who covered her patients appointments then? I also said nightingale hospitals, but you make up your own lies.  So have we a situation now where covid patients irrespective of what their condition is take full precedence over every other medical condition - maybe if they triaged them a bit better, there were less than 10 in ICU so if you have a cough do you get a bed ahead of everyone else?

I don't see the 10pm news every evening telling how many daily deaths there were due to cancer, or how many new diagnosis of cancer or other illnesses, it's a covid state.  I also don't see any news outlet mention that the hospitals were a shambles before covid due to no executive for 3 years and no investment.

The hospitals are full now with Covid patients and are at breaking point. Ask your doctor/chemical engineer friend why they think it's bad idea to keep people with low immune systems away from a building full of people with a highly contagious and life threatening disease? A number of people who died from covid have had underlying medical conditions which made puts anyone in this category at higher risk.

Also if an individual has cancer he can't go home and infect anyone else. If he/she goes to a hospital and picks up covid they can bring it home and pass it on to an infinite amount of people.


You also never answered what you think will happen in 2021. You claim you are not anti vaccine, but insist the chemical companies are using people to trial the vaccine and clearly don't believe in it so what do you think the government should do in 2021. Surely you have an opinion on that.

No he can just f**k off and die at home. Covid has you warped.

[RadioGAAGAA]

Alternatively pressure has come about because the health system has been ignored for decades, brexit didn't help chasing foreign staff away,

All true - but ultimately irrelevant to charting a path out of where we are right now.

the first lockdown was bought in by everyone, nothing was achieved in this period as the government did feck all during these months, track and trace has been a shambles, eat out to help out was a disaster, telling everyone to get back to the office was a disaster, covid is a scourge but the bigger scourge is how the politicians handled it

Agree on everything there - go back to around page 20 of the coronavirus thread to see where I was on the matter back then.

and that wider impact on society.  Everyone is talking about the vulnerable as being those over 80 in a care home, what about those with disabilities, those in abusive relationships, those committing suicide because they have lost their jobs, those who are in isolation for months and months.

Everyone is vulnerable if the healthcare system completely breaks down. Not just the over 80s.

We have an icy snap, you fall and break a hip - but there is no capacity for an operation as all beds are full with people dying of pneumonia. What do you do then?

The system is already in the middle of collapsing.

I agree that its sh*t all round for many people. But you don't seem to grasp we'd be in much the same boat but with a much higher death toll if significant interventions were not taken (I would strongly argue the interventions have not been taken early enough, drastic enough and not for long enough).

[Seaney]

Alternatively pressure has come about because the health system has been ignored for decades, brexit didn't help chasing foreign staff away,

All true - but ultimately irrelevant to charting a path out of where we are right now.

the first lockdown was bought in by everyone, nothing was achieved in this period as the government did feck all during these months, track and trace has been a shambles, eat out to help out was a disaster, telling everyone to get back to the office was a disaster, covid is a scourge but the bigger scourge is how the politicians handled it

Agree on everything there - go back to around page 20 of the coronavirus thread to see where I was on the matter back then.

and that wider impact on society.  Everyone is talking about the vulnerable as being those over 80 in a care home, what about those with disabilities, those in abusive relationships, those committing suicide because they have lost their jobs, those who are in isolation for months and months.

Everyone is vulnerable if the healthcare system completely breaks down. Not just the over 80s.

We have an icy snap, you fall and break a hip - but there is no capacity for an operation as all beds are full with people dying of pneumonia. What do you do then?

The system is already in the middle of collapsing.

I agree that its sh*t all round for many people. But you don't seem to grasp we'd be in much the same boat but with a much higher death toll if significant interventions were not taken (I would strongly argue the interventions have not been taken early enough, drastic enough and not for long enough).

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding, the health system was at bursting point and has been for decades, covid made the health care workers untouchable, there was a GP in Armagh doing a piece justifying her 6 figure salary except she was my GP you couldn't get to see her for love nor money, I had one anti inflammatory and a course of antibiotics prescribed over the phone with no consultation, this is happening all over - so much you don't need a pill for every ill.

[Milltown Row2]

More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.

That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

I've no problem with that..

Sure you don't - but you look like the moral guardian again in your wee domain!  So what treatment do you think should be "free at point of entry" even know we all pay our national insurance, on the NHS - can you give a list?

Prescriptions shouldn't be free for starters, if you're employed.

£50 fee for seeing the doctor, again, if employed.

Incentives or payments towards going private for the likes of non emergency treatments, so for instances free glasses and hearing aids, in the South they give, for hearing up to £1000 off providing they have PRSI

Private health care should be built into jobs..

We are not helping ourselves with obesity and smoking and poor general health, fast foods and sugar filled food isn't helping

I'm going for my first doctors appointment in nearly 30 years, it took three hours to get through on the phone, then the doctor (trainee GP) asked what was wrong and then gave me an appointment. My point is, I was working out of a doctors surgery for 3 years, every Friday, the same people were queued up the street in all weathers at 8am waiting to be seen by the doctors when they opened up at 9am.. How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that? The system needs looking at, its broken.

That's not a government problem essentially, that's generations of people not looking after themselves.

I've daughter that wasn't well, usual stuff from doctors was do this and try that, ended up went private, the specialist was able to sort everything out and arrange a set of treatment to help. This was after being fobbed off by the GP, in fairness to the GP they only have 15 minutes and have no specialised facilities to see what's wrong, just a referral, that will take up to a year, if your lucky.

I'm lucky that I am able to afford private care, if needed. If we want good health care then we as employed people have to pay more into it, and if we have better employment then more money would be invested into it

[RadioGAAGAA]

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding,

Unfortunately your ignorance is even more astounding than my patronising.

[Seaney]

More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.

That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

I've no problem with that..

Sure you don't - but you look like the moral guardian again in your wee domain!  So what treatment do you think should be "free at point of entry" even know we all pay our national insurance, on the NHS - can you give a list?

Prescriptions shouldn't be free for starters, if you're employed.

£50 fee for seeing the doctor, again, if employed.

Incentives or payments towards going private for the likes of non emergency treatments, so for instances free glasses and hearing aids, in the South they give, for hearing up to £1000 off providing they have PRSI

Private health care should be built into jobs..

We are not helping ourselves with obesity and smoking and poor general health, fast foods and sugar filled food isn't helping

I'm going for my first doctors appointment in nearly 30 years, it took three hours to get through on the phone, then the doctor (trainee GP) asked what was wrong and then gave me an appointment. My point is, I was working out of a doctors surgery for 3 years, every Friday, the same people were queued up the street in all weathers at 8am waiting to be seen by the doctors when they opened up at 9am.. How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that? The system needs looking at, its broken.

That's not a government problem essentially, that's generations of people not looking after themselves.

I've daughter that wasn't well, usual stuff from doctors was do this and try that, ended up went private, the specialist was able to sort everything out and arrange a set of treatment to help. This was after being fobbed off by the GP, in fairness to the GP they only have 15 minutes and have no specialised facilities to see what's wrong, just a referral, that will take up to a year, if your lucky.

I'm lucky that I am able to afford private care, if needed. If we want good health care then we as employed people have to pay more into it, and if we have better employment then more money would be invested into it

So are you going scrap national insurance?

[Seaney]

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding,

Unfortunately your ignorance is even more astounding than my patronising.

A humble patronising keyboard warrior - who would have thought.

[GetOverTheBar]

More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.

That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

I've no problem with that..

Sure you don't - but you look like the moral guardian again in your wee domain!  So what treatment do you think should be "free at point of entry" even know we all pay our national insurance, on the NHS - can you give a list?

Prescriptions shouldn't be free for starters, if you're employed.

£50 fee for seeing the doctor, again, if employed.

Incentives or payments towards going private for the likes of non emergency treatments, so for instances free glasses and hearing aids, in the South they give, for hearing up to £1000 off providing they have PRSI

Private health care should be built into jobs..

We are not helping ourselves with obesity and smoking and poor general health, fast foods and sugar filled food isn't helping

I'm going for my first doctors appointment in nearly 30 years, it took three hours to get through on the phone, then the doctor (trainee GP) asked what was wrong and then gave me an appointment. My point is, I was working out of a doctors surgery for 3 years, every Friday, the same people were queued up the street in all weathers at 8am waiting to be seen by the doctors when they opened up at 9am.. How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that? The system needs looking at, its broken.

That's not a government problem essentially, that's generations of people not looking after themselves.

I've daughter that wasn't well, usual stuff from doctors was do this and try that, ended up went private, the specialist was able to sort everything out and arrange a set of treatment to help. This was after being fobbed off by the GP, in fairness to the GP they only have 15 minutes and have no specialised facilities to see what's wrong, just a referral, that will take up to a year, if your lucky.

I'm lucky that I am able to afford private care, if needed. If we want good health care then we as employed people have to pay more into it, and if we have better employment then more money would be invested into it

In fairness to the Governments and NHS they have warned about these things for years. People didn't give a toss, yet interestingly, they are the people who seem to bang the drum loudest about Covid these days.

Now there is a virus that ruthlessly exposes any weakness in the body caused by years of bad diet, smoking or other habits.....Oh Christ we have to lock it up forever.....

There are a lot of people out there at the moment regretting their years of mistreating the body, yet failing to acknowledge that those same years were entirely their own choices.

We've had every link under the sun, genetics, lack of vitamin D, is it a winter or summer virus.....Nobody has really said here, is this taking out people who smoked for 30+ years?

[Milltown Row2]

More good news from the US FDA on the Moderna vaccine, which seems to perform in a similar way to the Pfizer one, and so it will be approved in a few days. It will likely be approved in Europe shortly after the Pfizer one. The Irish government has approved purchase of 875,000 doses of Moderna vaccine. The 6 counties should be getting 225,000 or so, Moderna has less orders from London than Pfizer of Oxford.

After both jabs, the vaccine was 94.1 per cent effective in a trial of about 30,000 participants. The vaccine was less effective in people over the age of 65, with an efficacy rate of 86.4 per cent. There were 30 severe cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group but none in the vaccinated group.

That is good news. If you refuse a vaccine and end up in hospital with Covid symptoms can we start issuing a bill to these people, or preferably pay prior to treatment.

If you smoke and end up in hospital with lung cancer, should you be billed, if you do extreme sports and end up in hospital because of an injury, should you be billed, if you drink and end up in hospital because of liver failure should you be billed, if you are obese and end up in hospital should you be billed, if you are in a car accident because of carless driving and end up in hospital, should you be billed - etc. etc. etc.

I've no problem with that..

Sure you don't - but you look like the moral guardian again in your wee domain!  So what treatment do you think should be "free at point of entry" even know we all pay our national insurance, on the NHS - can you give a list?

Prescriptions shouldn't be free for starters, if you're employed.

£50 fee for seeing the doctor, again, if employed.

Incentives or payments towards going private for the likes of non emergency treatments, so for instances free glasses and hearing aids, in the South they give, for hearing up to £1000 off providing they have PRSI

Private health care should be built into jobs..

We are not helping ourselves with obesity and smoking and poor general health, fast foods and sugar filled food isn't helping

I'm going for my first doctors appointment in nearly 30 years, it took three hours to get through on the phone, then the doctor (trainee GP) asked what was wrong and then gave me an appointment. My point is, I was working out of a doctors surgery for 3 years, every Friday, the same people were queued up the street in all weathers at 8am waiting to be seen by the doctors when they opened up at 9am.. How sick are we as a country that surgeries are completely bunged like that? The system needs looking at, its broken.

That's not a government problem essentially, that's generations of people not looking after themselves.

I've daughter that wasn't well, usual stuff from doctors was do this and try that, ended up went private, the specialist was able to sort everything out and arrange a set of treatment to help. This was after being fobbed off by the GP, in fairness to the GP they only have 15 minutes and have no specialised facilities to see what's wrong, just a referral, that will take up to a year, if your lucky.

I'm lucky that I am able to afford private care, if needed. If we want good health care then we as employed people have to pay more into it, and if we have better employment then more money would be invested into it

So are you going scrap national insurance?

Scrap it? Paying for prescriptions and doctors appointments will increase revenue with the health sector and maybe improve the standard and speed of diagnosis of a patient

I think we should be increasing it and encouraging people that have jobs to lobby employers to help with work health plans.

Do you think there is enough money going into health care in the NHS?

[Seaney]

We all pay NI, the more your earn the more you pay, will you have a cap like 50K or something you have to be earning before you pay to see a doctor, might it not put folk off who are ill forking out 50 quid for a doctors appointment and cause longer harm?  Just because you can afford it doesn't mean all workers could, I remember where prescriptions were 5.50 or something I had no issue paying once a year or whenever I needed something, others are on daily medication, will everyone working pay?

[RadioGAAGAA]

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding,

Unfortunately your ignorance is even more astounding than my patronising.

A humble patronising keyboard warrior - who would have thought.

I'll leave you to grab the last word as I'm sure in your head it'll somehow validate your "argument".



Anyway. In summary:
- vaccine is fundamentally safe unless you have an allergy to any of the carrier chemicals.
- vaccine is required to protect not only people from covid, but people from other ailments as they will get treated quicker, better and not have to run the gauntlet of getting covid in hospital with an already compromised immune system.
- vaccine is required to get the economy up and running, as a drastic spike in cases and sickness will only see further economic contractions and job losses.
- vaccine is required to protect people from the mental anguish of losing loved ones, especially those that are carers for others.

[Seaney]

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding,

Unfortunately your ignorance is even more astounding than my patronising.

A humble patronising keyboard warrior - who would have thought.

I'll leave you to grab the last word as I'm sure in your head it'll somehow validate your "argument".



Anyway. In summary:
- vaccine is fundamentally safe unless you have an allergy to any of the carrier chemicals.
- vaccine is required to protect not only people from covid, but people from other ailments as they will get treated quicker, better and not have to run the gauntlet of getting covid in hospital with an already compromised immune system.
- vaccine is required to get the economy up and running, as a drastic spike in cases and sickness will only see further economic contractions and job losses.
- vaccine is required to protect people from the mental anguish of losing loved ones, especially those that are carers for others.

And Ill leave you to quote where I have voiced anti-vax sentiments as opposed to a cautious approach to an expediently developed vaccine, but don't let truth get in the way of your narrative.

[dublin7]

Isn't it great to have you around to ensure I grasp things correctly, your patronisation is astounding,

Unfortunately your ignorance is even more astounding than my patronising.

A humble patronising keyboard warrior - who would have thought.

I'll leave you to grab the last word as I'm sure in your head it'll somehow validate your "argument".



Anyway. In summary:
- vaccine is fundamentally safe unless you have an allergy to any of the carrier chemicals.
- vaccine is required to protect not only people from covid, but people from other ailments as they will get treated quicker, better and not have to run the gauntlet of getting covid in hospital with an already compromised immune system.
- vaccine is required to get the economy up and running, as a drastic spike in cases and sickness will only see further economic contractions and job losses.
- vaccine is required to protect people from the mental anguish of losing loved ones, especially those that are carers for others.

And Ill leave you to quote where I have voiced anti-vax sentiments as opposed to a cautious approach to an expediently developed vaccine, but don't let truth get in the way of your narrative.

Your chemical engineer friend who you like to quote doesn't let the truth or facts get in the way of his/her opinions either. Next time he/she tries to give you any information/stats for vaccines or covid issues have a word.