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Title: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneman on August 14, 2007, 01:54:38 PM
I guess the question now is what next for Tyrone in MH's final year (maybe)

Supposing we have SON, Dooher and McGuigan available we will be in reaonsably good shape however certaain issues / questions must be addressed:

1. We need a MF partner for Sean Cavanagh AND a reliable back up to come into his MF spot should we push him into the Half Forwards. To date we have found no-one. Barely a glimmer. Is there anyone at club level who can make the grade? Who knows. Alternatively we look at young McMahon and/or young Cavanagh as options

2. Ricey. No longer has the pace required for the modern day CB position. Will be an asset in the half back line. Who makes way - Nephew.

3. Full Back. Joe McMahon is the man for this. Needs a run of games there though.

4. McKenna Cup - should be about finding and blooding talent not tiring out / injuring the big guns. If we don't win it next year Mcikey we'll not be too disapointed.

5. PLan B - we need a different option in the forward line (could this be Rouse?).
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on August 14, 2007, 02:05:14 PM
Players that should be tried next year in McKenna Cup, Nat league etc: Phillip Toner, Brian Toner, Niall McGinn, Edan Clarke, Des Tracy, Adian Cassidy, Paul Rafferty, Eoin McCusker
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on August 14, 2007, 02:14:26 PM
Niall Mc Ginn is a very good player who I think could make it.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: snappiered on August 14, 2007, 02:17:58 PM
Tyroneman think you forgot to mention we will have Mickey Mc Gee back for 2008 as well. Dont forget the last 10 mins of 05 final v Kingdom. He come charging out of our defence on 4 seperate occasions. His loss was underestimated this year. He had a shoulder operation there two months ago and was told he would be out for 6 months. Hope he makes a full recovery for club and countys sake
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on August 14, 2007, 02:19:48 PM
Snapper - you're right there - Mc Gee was missed - a good player who can do a marking job - is aggressive and can play a bit as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Uladh on August 14, 2007, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 14, 2007, 02:04:50 PM
I think SON is as good as gone.

Why is that?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Uladh on August 14, 2007, 02:29:25 PM

Nonsense. what is he, 26?

His conditioning obviously isn't correct but thats a seperate issue.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on August 14, 2007, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: snappiered on August 14, 2007, 02:17:58 PM
Tyroneman think you forgot to mention we will have Mickey Mc Gee back for 2008 as well. Dont forget the last 10 mins of 05 final v Kingdom. He come charging out of our defence on 4 seperate occasions. His loss was underestimated this year. He had a shoulder operation there two months ago and was told he would be out for 6 months. Hope he makes a full recovery for club and countys sake

Dont think McGee was that big a loss, would he have done any better than anyone who played there this season? Dont think so myself. Yes as you point out he had a good last quarter in the All Ireland final in 2005 but that is 2 years ago. He was not too hot in a large proprtion of games he played both before and after that.

We need to be looking to the future and moving on with out the likes of McGee. Its time to blood a few younger players I feel. We need a completely new full back line I feel, McMahon is not a natural full back and doesnt look comfortable there, McCaul is going to be a good player but as some point out he may be better in the half back line. PJ Quinn is well worth a go I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Wee Roddy on August 14, 2007, 02:45:10 PM
Any man woman or child who thinks that Paul Rafferty is county standard is having a laugh. A man that pulls out of half a dozen balls and kick three short frees in a league match instead of having the guts to go himself should not even be considered. How much does he score from play?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 14, 2007, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 14, 2007, 02:34:19 PM
Well for a lad of 26, he is subject to a lot of injuries. It's different for players like Mc Guigan who has suffered from freak injuries.
It's the same injuries that keep coming back to haunt O Neill.
How much longer do you think he can keep going for?

The last two seasons he has been playing through injury and coming back before he was ready. Hopefully with a few months proper rest now (from the club as well) and the right treatment he can be back and ready for 2008. Not so confident about Brian McGuigan though, seems like a horrendous eye injury and getting himself fit and well will be his main priority rather than playing GAA.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Uladh on August 14, 2007, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 14, 2007, 02:34:19 PM
Well for a lad of 26, he is subject to a lot of injuries. It's different for players like Mc Guigan who has suffered from freak injuries.
It's the same injuries that keep coming back to haunt O Neill.
How much longer do you think he can keep going for?

repetitive soft tissue injuries is symptomatic of misguided training. either poor s&c, the wrong type of field work at the wrong time or a combination of the two. if that was addressed he could player for tyrone for 10 years. i would contend that a large reason for the early retirement of gaa players is half informed trainers doing the wrong type of training and poor injury prehab and particularly pathetic injury treatment in the long term.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on August 14, 2007, 03:23:17 PM
Back to the team - who's going to make it next year ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on August 14, 2007, 03:30:18 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 14, 2007, 03:23:17 PM
Back to the team - who's going to make it next year ?
Orangeman do you think any of the Ardboe players could make the county panel? What about big John? He was excellent last season but went off the boil this year although he is coming good again. He didnt get a trial last year.
Have you any other suggestions of potential players from other clubs? I agree with your comment about Niall McGinn - he destroyed the Ardboe defence when they played earlier in the season.

I think Colm McGurk, Ciaran McAleer (I think its Ciaran - wee Dan if that helps) and Gaby McCallin from Carmen are all worth a look if they would be interested as would Barry Donnelly of Brocagh.

Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Gnevin on August 14, 2007, 03:30:47 PM
Local GAA surely?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Wee Roddy on August 14, 2007, 04:25:39 PM
McGurk, Wee Dan and Gaby are Carmens 3 best players behind Conor but Gaby was looked about a few years ago and would not go and Wee Dan and McGurk were asked to go to trials a few years ago but declined as it was the week of a league final as far as i know. To me I wish Gaby had of went to county football as i think it may have harnessed one of the best raw talents in this county. I think that John McConville should be looked at for midfield and not this full forward think that everyone is obsessing (sp)with, Cathal McCarron from Dromore and Peter Campbell from Coalisland. Talk of Paul Rafferty, Cathal McCarron from Omagh even Ronan McNally from Carrickmore really annoys me because none of these men will win a ball when the chips are down for their club so how would they win it against better players on county teams in the white heat of championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on August 14, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 14, 2007, 04:25:39 PM
I think that John McConville should be looked at for midfield and not this full forward think that everyone is obsessing (sp)with, Cathal McCarron from Dromore and Peter Campbell from Coalisland. Talk of Paul Rafferty, Cathal McCarron from Omagh even Ronan McNally from Carrickmore really annoys me because none of these men will win a ball when the chips are down for their club so how would they win it against better players on county teams in the white heat of championship?

Agree with you there Roddy John needs to tried in the middle of the park and not at full forward. McCarron (Dromore) is possibly as good an option as there is for full back.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on August 14, 2007, 06:39:25 PM
Some potential players to give a runout to: Defenders: Cathal McCarron, PJ Quinn, Shane Sweeney (a must). Midfield: Play Colm Cavanagh and Justy McMahon during McKenna cup and early league to see how they do. Also Quinn from Derrylaughen is apparantly worth a look. Niall McGinn, Aidan McCarron, Gaby McCallan worth a go up front. Not any real new names here. There's bound to be a few boys not tried before that are worth a go. Would like to see Enda McGinley get a run at centre half back which could free Gormley for the full back line.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: TyronePhilly on August 15, 2007, 04:18:55 AM
Cathal O'Neill is a quality footballer. He is out here at the minute playing for the Young Irelands.
He's playing in a different grade than us, but see quite a bit of him, damn good player.

Niall McGinn from Donaghmore.

Jason McAnulla from Omagh is only 19, but a class act, out here for our club at the minute.
Not saying that because he's out here for us. We happened to get him out through another
potential player from Fintona. The young man is as hard as nails. He got the nickname "FirePower"
out here. Field a ball, score with both feet, bust the onion bag, run at defences.
Let's see what he does at the University level and U21s.

Damian Meenan from Killyclogher, excellent footballer. Strong, talented, forward. Still only 21 or 22 years of age.

Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on August 15, 2007, 01:33:05 PM
both ciaran and barry donnelly from brocagh worth a look
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on August 15, 2007, 04:59:06 PM
John Gilmore and Martin Murray from Cookstown must be worth a shout.
Gilmore in particular has had a great season and is probably the fastest player in Tyrone when running with the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: TyronePhilly on August 15, 2007, 06:27:26 PM
Eoin McCusker, of Dromore, related to the Canavans.

Philip Toner, of Coalisland.

Alot of these young men should be put on weight training regimens. They may already have natural strength, but any potential players, especially midfielders, need to bulk up.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on August 15, 2007, 09:44:37 PM
Philip Toner should without doubt be in the squad. I think Baynes and Kerr of Coalisland are also very close
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on August 15, 2007, 10:30:29 PM
John Mc Conville is a great player - Frank Mc Guigan is scoring freely week in week out in ACL -
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: neutral on August 16, 2007, 08:31:28 AM
I agree Toner and Mc Cusker and guys like this should be having their fitness monitored from 18 - 21.  At least then if they are plucked into intercounty panels they have been receiving the best guidence and arent starting from scratch.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on August 16, 2007, 09:15:15 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 15, 2007, 04:59:06 PM
John Gilmore and Martin Murray from Cookstown must be worth a shout.
Gilmore in particular has had a great season and is probably the fastest player in Tyrone when running with the ball.
Gilmore is possibly worth a look, dont think Murray would add anything as Tyrone have a few like him on the panel i.e. good attcking half back but poor defender.

Quote from: orangeman on August 15, 2007, 10:30:29 PM
John Mc Conville is a great player - Frank Mc Guigan is scoring freely week in week out in ACL -

Frank has been one of the most consistent scorers and very best club players on the Tyrone scene scince he started playing senior football. He gave the county thing a go before and it didnt work out, he probably lacks the pace required to make the mark as an inside forward in county football. He left the panel of his own accord the last time and didnt want to be a hanger on like some others. I hope from an Ardboe point of view he sticks to the club football only - the last time he was on the county panel he was not as sharp as usual due to missing some games.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Deal_Me_In on August 16, 2007, 09:29:21 AM
Would Ronan Ward from Loughmacrory be worth a look, i know he was asked before but declined (lack of time commitment available i think), how is he playing this year, he was one of the quickest players i have ever seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on August 16, 2007, 12:15:23 PM
Gilmore still has two years as an under 21 player but is a massive prospect.
I disagree about Murray. I remember him doing a man marking job on Martin Clarke in an all ireland semi final a few years ago and he was superb. I think his defending could really improve if he was working within Tyrone set up.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: TyronePhilly on August 16, 2007, 03:08:34 PM
Watched the 2003 Semi-Final against Kerry last night. Tyrone's fitness was immense! They tackled like rabid dogs.

They have never reached that same level of fitness....which I feel may be linked to the departure of Paddy Tally.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: rrhf on August 16, 2007, 03:20:37 PM
I believe that Tally has been a bigger loss to Tyrone football than the retirement of Peter Canavan.  Harte showed too much loyalty to players this year who were in the main playing quite average, but who went stale literally after the Mc Kenna cup and bar Donegal game there was a level this team never returned to. (4 -5 games)  They didnt strike me as a team well trained.  That added to the no of injuries (soft tissue) would lead me to conclude that Tyrones training was and has been at fault for their failure to be competitive for the past 2 years since winning the All Ireland.  Appetite by some of the players will also have to be scrutinised before they are picked again and anyone who looked overweight will have to be worked on harder either through nutition or fitness.     
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on August 16, 2007, 03:46:41 PM
Carmen and Errigal are two of the biggest sides in Tyrone and between them have won most of the recent titles - no dispute about that ? Ok ? Then why does Carmen only have one representative on the Tyrone panel ??
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone realist on August 16, 2007, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: orangeman on August 16, 2007, 03:46:41 PM
Carmen and Errigal are two of the biggest sides in Tyrone and between them have won most of the recent titles - no dispute about that ? Ok ? Then why does Carmen only have one representative on the Tyrone panel ??

Because the only other man of the required standard, Gaby McCallan, won't play for the county. Mark Donnelly would have been close this year had he stayed in Ireland. If you asked anyone from Carmen they'd tell you the teams of 95/96/97 was a whole lot better than those of 04/05/06 and it was reflected in the amount of Carrickmore men in the county panels of those years.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on August 16, 2007, 04:32:58 PM
Not that many outstading Carmen players who I think would get into Tyrone panel to be honest.
I feel that is what makes them so good, they have very few county men and play together every week.
They rely on a great team ethos and spirit rather than outstanding individuals. Conor Gormley apart.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Wee Roddy on August 16, 2007, 04:55:19 PM
Have to say that I am a bit dissapointed by people saying all Carmen have is work ethic. In last years county final they played Errigal of the field in footballing terms but could not convert the frees they won. Errigal subsequently were hailed a great side because they should have got to an Ulster final.
Incidently a lot of Carrickmore people would suggest that the 2004 team was better than the 90s team. But for a spait of indicipline they would have beaten  Mayobridge and played Cross in the Ulster Final.
I would also say that, without naming names, we have alot of players that are as good as some of those in the county panel. In my opinion Colm McGurk is as good as Ricey or McCaul and Ciaran McAleer is better than Davy Harte or Paul Quinn. Coalisland would have a similar gripe
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: southderryman on August 16, 2007, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 16, 2007, 04:55:19 PM
Have to say that I am a bit dissapointed by people saying all Carmen have is work ethic. In last years county final they played Errigal of the field in footballing terms but could not convert the frees they won. Errigal subsequently were hailed a great side because they should have got to an Ulster final.
Incidently a lot of Carrickmore people would suggest that the 2004 team was better than the 90s team. But for a spait of indicipline they would have beaten  Mayobridge and played Cross in the Ulster Final.
I would also say that, without naming names, we have alot of players that are as good as some of those in the county panel. In my opinion Colm McGurk is as good as Ricey or McCaul and Ciaran McAleer is better than Davy Harte or Paul Quinn. Coalisland would have a similar gripe

a great job u did  "without naming names" there!  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Wee Roddy on August 16, 2007, 05:04:24 PM
 ::) ::) Sorry, they are the obvious ones but there are another few who i hope will prove it before the end of the year!! Do you follow Tyrone football?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 16, 2007, 05:18:38 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 16, 2007, 04:55:19 PM
I would also say that, without naming names, we have alot of players that are as good as some of those in the county panel. In my opinion Colm McGurk is as good as Ricey or McCaul and Ciaran McAleer is better than Davy Harte or Paul Quinn. Coalisland would have a similar gripe

Would have to agree with you Roddy on this one! Ciaran Mc Aleer should have been their three years ago!!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: southderryman on August 16, 2007, 05:27:23 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on August 16, 2007, 05:04:24 PM
::) ::) Sorry, they are the obvious ones but there are another few who i hope will prove it before the end of the year!! Do you follow Tyrone football?

have a slight passing intrest, would go to an odd game as long it doesn't clash with any derry club or county games. always like to keep an eye on the neighbours!
Title: tyrone
Post by: Big Mickey on August 16, 2007, 08:34:33 PM
heres a few new players that will sort out tyrone in the next 3 or 4 yrs hopefully

Pj Quinn: an excellant corner back,future allstar and a cert for the breakthrough next year

Conal mcelholm (omagh): best full back in the county (including mc carron for dromore) 6-2/3 and fast.injury put him out this year but back in trainin now.ne1 who has cn him play knows what im talkin about

d mc caul: this year will do him the world of good,pushin for next year

cookstown lads, gilly and murray:talent is unquestionable but gillys dedication is doubtful.both arent gr8 defenisively either.good options tho

Justin mc mahon: the midfield partner for cavanagh without a doubt.give him a few games and let him get used to it.good fielder but mite need to bulk up slightly to turn from a very good county midfielder to an unstoppable midfeider

Jason mc annulla:not that high a profile at the minute but ask ne1 whos marked him and they'l tell.speed to burn,absolute powerhouse and a brilliant eye for goal.reminds me of coulter.will hopefully keep his head screwed on and give it a lash in the next few years

niall mcginn donaghmore: unmarkable when the right ball is put into him,problem is tho when the right ball isnt hit in,not gr8 at winning dirty ball which is what is sometimes needed at county level but still, one of the best intyrone

Plunet kane: dont no that much about the lad except that he's big,strong,fast, got an eye for goal and can catch a ball which is good enuf for me.dont kno what his attitude is like tho


Brian toner: quite small which cud go against him but still rate him better that philly,next brian dooher????

aidan cassidy:a great player at both full forward or midfield.big strong and can take a score aswell.surprised he didnt make it this year.think he wud take a year in the tyrone senior set-up b4 he breaks thru as he needs to refine his play slightly


A few others are dean oneil,daisy,murphy (galbally,avin a gr8 year i hear) and frank mcguigan (not young but still a good palyer)

dont rate philly toner,think he's a lazy player that wud get caught out at county level and also dont think mc carron from dromore is as good as every1 4rm dromore makes him out to be.he's playing a gr8 defence there and garry gives him alot of cover.shud be given his chance tho.

Also need to get rid of hub in midfield,2 brutal seasons in a row not means only 1 thing...not good enuf. ricey needs to get his head right and mulligan needs to get into shape.dooher and oneil need rest and mcguigan hopefully will make an appearance at sum stage
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Puckoon on August 16, 2007, 10:11:19 PM
Id be inclined to agree with wee roddy's claim that there are players, just as good, if not better from carmen and coalisland who are not in the tyrone panel, than some of those from errigal who while being honest solid footballers, have hardly set the game alight since 2005. Davy does well with his point per game, and is always available for the ball, but his tackling isnt hitting the standards that I think the tyrone work ethic was built on. Enda is a great player, who suffered those tough injuries, but along with alot of his double celtic cross winning team mates - maybe the hunger has dropped a little. Its easy for people to tell supporters that we are quick to criticise and that we couldnt do better - however, its not hard to see that the hunger isnt there, the obvious fire in the belly of the team who hadnt wont prior to 2003, and who were angrily snarling for revenge against armagh in the semi of 2005 just isnt there right now. All players can suffer a dip in form right now, but too many tyrone men have suffered it at the same time now. Some blame has to lie with those responsible for the conditioning of the team, and at team management. Why wont gaby mccallan play for the county? Is mickey as impartial as we are led to believe. Young McAnulla is a super prospect - kinda reminds me of richard thornton as a minor.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone realist on August 16, 2007, 11:56:23 PM
I think before you look at 2008, you'd need to do a postmortem on 2007.

First things first, the positives.

An Ulster title is not to be sniffed at, especially in Tyrone. 2 All Irelands or not, we're only 5th out of 9 counties in the Anglo Celt Roll of Honour and it pays to remember that. Indeed, 25 different players played their part in winning the Ulster Championship on the field and despite the fact a few are lambasted on this board it's still an achievement however diluted Sam may make it seem.

Raymond Mulgrew is starting to show glimpses of his true potential. Several top drawer performances and was prepared to lead in Croke Park when others hid.

Conor Gormley - The Jimmy Saville of this Tyrone side. The rest of the country doesn't know his true worth because of his versatility. The man I'd want leading this Tyrone side next year whether Dooher is fit or not.

Retaining Division 1 status. Albeit, it was by pure chance on the last day, but the restructuring of the leagues means the all 7 games next year should be reasonably competitive and a good ground for blooding the younger guys.

Several new faces making a good showing. Very few players come into a county panel and make an instant impact, generally most take the guts of 2 years to adapt to the differences in club football / County Under 21 football to Senior Inter County Football. Niall Gormley, Tommy McGuigan, Damien McCaul, Justin McMahon and Col Cavanagh have all contributed in their debut season. As mentioned above, Mulgrew is in his second year, just look at the difference. Remember the Sean Cavanagh of 2002 vs 2003. These lads will all come good yet if they're persisted with.

Now the bit we're all good at - the negatives.

Injuries. Some have said injuries cost us the All-Ireland. Whilst that may have been putting the cart in front of the horse, a Tyrone team with McGuigan, and a fully fit O'Neill and Dooher would have taken some stopping. However, injuries are a part of life and can't be helped...

Training - Or can they be avoided? I might have rosy tinted spectacles on, but I don't seem to remember too many soft tissue related problems in the Tally era. This has been touched on previously, but Tyrone looked as sharp in February as they did in August this year. Why? There's no doubting the commitment of most of the panel and they stay in shape over the winter months, but any trainer / coach worth his salt looks at having his team peaking around late summer. There was no obvious change in Tyrone this year or last year. In 2005, the sheer volume of games improved them - against Down and the first Cavan game they looked sluggish at best. Contrast the fitness and the physique of Tyrone 03/04 and Tyrone 06/07. Any difference?

The backroom team - Despite the sound of sharpening knifes from some supporters, it's fair to say that Harte enjoys the support where it counts - the TCB Management Committee and a large part of the County Committee. However, the current backroom staff appears, rightly or wrongly, to be Clogher Valley centric. There's no questioning the value of Tony Donnelly, however, could a freshening of personnel give a new impetious to some of the jaded players?

Midfield - With respect, the combination of Cavanagh and Hub isn't working and I don't feel it's either mans fault. What most people tend to forget is that Hub spent most of his Minor, Under 21 and early Senior days playing Midfield with Cormac, both complementing each other. The problem with Hub and Sean seems to be that Cavanagh wants to get forward as quick as possible and as often as possible with leaving Hub to do an anchoring role which he isn't best suited to. You'll find that Hub's best games come against midfielders that suit his game of getting forward and getting back in equal measure like the 2003 AIF and Donegal this year where despite being much maligned for his wides he otherwise had his best game in Tyrone colours since returning from Oz.

Full Back - The attempted horses for course routine isn't working. McGinley, Gourley and McMahon all got exposed in different ways in their games at full back. The solution? It's not for me to say who but someone needs to be given an extended run at full back and if it means making that choice now and working with them individually over the winter then so be it.

Secondary competitions - Many on this board have questioned why established players are continually played in secondary competitions and I thought it was fairly obvious - because they enjoy playing football. With so many enlightened  ??? suggestions on this and other threads Mickey could put 2 or 3 teams out surely? Whilst the system is all important in Tyrone's game, surely Harte and the mainstays like O'Neill, Gormley, Cavanagh, Jordan and Dooher can see the benefit of not playing much football before St Patrick's Day next year?


Regarding 2008, it's far too early to be talking about panels and the like. There's still 13+ games of Club Championship football to be played in Tyrone between now and the start of October and I'm sure that Mickey Harte will be keeping an eye on all of them as well as a few league games and a couple of lads will stake a real claim.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone realist on August 17, 2007, 12:02:49 AM
Feel free, should I do a double post on the new page so everybody gets to read it  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on August 17, 2007, 09:59:20 AM
anyone think Richard Thornton could be worth a shout. Good ball winning forward is what Tyrone need
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: maddog on August 17, 2007, 10:02:27 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on August 17, 2007, 09:59:20 AM
anyone think Richard Thornton could be worth a shout. Good ball winning forward is what Tyrone need

And cool in front of the posts
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2007, 10:13:33 AM
Fair pieces Big Mickey & tyrone realist, founts of optimism for 08 you are!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on August 17, 2007, 02:57:15 PM
well he made a mistake a few years ago against Armagh and has never been forgiven for it.
If you look at Thornton's goal scoring record from underage level right up, you will find he is probably one of the best goalscorers in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Star Spangler on August 22, 2007, 10:59:11 PM
Why was this thread pushed into the local section when similar threads on Sligo and Down are kept in the main section?  Is there anti-Tyrone bias amongst the moderators of this here site??
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: neutral on August 23, 2007, 09:55:17 AM
I definitely would like to see John mc Conville worked on over the winter for Tyrone next year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on August 23, 2007, 10:57:09 AM
Quote from: neutral on August 23, 2007, 09:55:17 AM
I definitely would like to see John mc Conville worked on over the winter for Tyrone next year. 

Have to agree here (although from a club perspective probably not!), am baffled why he didnt even get a trial last year. He has the height and power Tyrone are crying out for, he is an excellent footballer and nice lad as well.

Quote from: sam03/05 on August 17, 2007, 02:57:15 PM
well he made a mistake a few years ago against Armagh and has never been forgiven for it.
If you look at Thornton's goal scoring record from underage level right up, you will find he is probably one of the best goalscorers in Tyrone.

Dont think Thornton is the answer, sure that miss was in 2002 before Harte took over. Prior to that he would have been on Hartes minor and under 21 sides so Harte must not feel he is county senior standard or would have him on the panel otherwise. McGuigan made Thornton look good in those underage sides, he would probably be found out at senior level where defenders would have the pace and power to deal with him.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: neutral on August 23, 2007, 11:41:19 AM
I would have my doubts about Ritchie at senior level,  but against Meath when we were looking a goalscorer could he have given us something?   
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Puckoon on August 23, 2007, 04:43:20 PM
Players come in and out of form, It certainly wouldnt hurt to take a look at a number of these players, not just in trial situations, but in the arena of the mckenna cup. Combined maybe that would be a fairer crack of the whip than just taking boys in for trials. I think tyrone need that direct running top inside forward who is a real goal threat.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: charlie stubbs on August 24, 2007, 11:05:51 AM
hatre i feel should try a different approach to the mckenna cup this year and try and solve your problem areas as oppossed to making the main objective to win it.Should try sort out a full back and a midfield partner for cavanagh.A lot of posters seem to think its all doom and gloom for tyrone,but i think if people underistamate you it when you ayt your best e.g. donegal game.There could however be similiarities between armaghs decline and the position tyrone are in at the minute i.e. bad ai quarter final defeat and manager staying on.

ps before i get slated i appreciate harte has did a wonderful job
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on September 21, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
Feel that there will be number of players to be cut from the current tyrone panel- dont think big packie mcconnell is going back- hes signed for Derview soccer team and dont think he fancies committing to county senior ball
A number of other players will will be surplus to requirements as well such as M Penrose, A McCarron, P Rouse etc
i think for National League anyway Tyrone should have the following lineout
1. J Curran 2. PJ Quinn 3. C Gormley 4. D McCaul 5. Ricey 6. Enda McGinely 7. P Jordan 8. C Cavanagh 9. Joe McMahon 10. S Cavanagh 11. R Mulgrew 12. Justin McMahon 13. S O'Neill 14. O Mulligan 15. Niall McGinn
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Wee Roddy on September 21, 2007, 01:54:37 PM
I heard a rumour last week that Joe McMahon and Stevie O'Neill have withdrew their services. This did not come from the horses month but someone close to him who would see one of them more than most.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on September 21, 2007, 01:58:27 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on September 21, 2007, 01:54:37 PM
I heard a rumour last week that Joe McMahon and Stevie O'Neill have withdrew their services. This did not come from the horses month but someone close to him who would see one of them more than most.

No problem 9. S Cavanagh 10. Phillip Toner 13. Daisy McDermott

Think Peter Donnelly will be pushing hard for full back line and couple of other coalisland boys will be panel members.

What new faces do u all think there will be?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 21, 2007, 04:14:01 PM
Couldnt see O'Neill withdrawing his services after going through so much this year to try and play when injured. Just hope he and McGuigan are fully fit for next year to give Tyrone a chance of getting back to the top. Would like to see a team like this at the beginning of the league:
Curran
PJ Quinn
Joe McMahon
Shane Sweeney
McMenamin
E McGinley
McCaul
Justy McMahon
C Cavanagh
T McGuigan
R Mulgrew
O'Neill
McGinn
McConville
S Cavanagh
We need to find 1 or 2 forwards to challenge the established players
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: SuperHans on September 21, 2007, 04:51:44 PM
Yeah think S sweeney should be back in.did niall gormley do enough this year to convinve ppl he should be on the panel/team.

what about M Murray, Paddy O Farrell, M Garry, K McCrory, Enda Clarke
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 21, 2007, 05:06:40 PM
Heard from a good source that Harte is going to be at the big match on Sunday and he has a number of Fianna forwards and half backs pencilled into his little black book.. looks like there will be a few island men on the county panel next year.   :)Watch this space folks!!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 22, 2007, 08:09:00 PM
Fianna have a lot of quality players - it will be very interesting to see how many he has in that wee book alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on September 24, 2007, 09:43:24 AM
Quote from: oneillcup2007 on September 21, 2007, 05:06:40 PM
Heard from a good source that Harte is going to be at the big match on Sunday and he has a number of Fianna forwards and half backs pencilled into his little black book.. looks like there will be a few island men on the county panel next year.   :)Watch this space folks!!!!!

Anyone think after yesterday MH will be including a number of Fianna men in his black book? If so who?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneboi on September 24, 2007, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: loughshore lad on September 24, 2007, 09:43:24 AM
Quote from: oneillcup2007 on September 21, 2007, 05:06:40 PM
Heard from a good source that Harte is going to be at the big match on Sunday and he has a number of Fianna forwards and half backs pencilled into his little black book.. looks like there will be a few island men on the county panel next year.   :)Watch this space folks!!!!!

Anyone think after yesterday MH will be including a number of Fianna men in his black book? If so who?

To be honest after yesterday i dont think too many. Maybe Curran will get a chance this year and possibly Paddy O'Farrell. Think they are more of an outstanding team more so than a team of outstanding individuals.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 24, 2007, 07:46:49 PM
What age is Plunkett O'Kane for Coalisland. It was the 1st time Ive noticed him play yesterday and was impressive. Is he worth a go?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 24, 2007, 07:49:57 PM
Or is it Plunkett Kane?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneboi on September 24, 2007, 08:04:45 PM
Plunkett Kane he is about 22 or so - good player but not sure if he is county material. He was never an outstanding youth player and has only really made the breakthrough for the fianna in the past 2 years or so. But you never know he could make the step up if he progresses the way he had been doing.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 25, 2007, 07:08:46 PM
Here's a list of players not on the county panel this year that could be considered for trials next year:
Shane Sweeney (Aghyaran)
Niall McGinn (Donaghmore)
Seamus Mulgrew (Donaghmore)
Jarelth Quinn (Pomeroy)
Enda Clarke? (Greencastle)
John Gilmore (Cookstown)
Marty Murray (Cookstown)
Paddy Quinn (Derrylaughen)
Philip Toner (Coalisland)
Plunkett Kane (Coalisland)
Paddy O'Farrell (Coalisland)
Niall Kerr (Coalisland)
McNice (Coalisland)
Mark Cunningham (Kileeshil)
McCreash (Rock)
Kieran McCrory (Galbally)
Paul Marlow (Eskra)
Fabien O'Neill?? (Dromore)
Cathal McCarron (Dromore)
John McConville (Ardboe)
Declan McCrossan (Owen Roes)
McVeigh (Killyman)
Des Treacy (Kildress)
Ronan Ward (Loughmacrory)
Some of the guys have been tried before such as Jarleth Quinn and Seamus Mulgrew but are showing better form at times this year than when they were on the county panel. A few others I know little about and am going on match reports etc. There's a also a few like Cunningham who Im saying based on underage performances a few years ago. Anyone got any other genuine possibilities?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: ONeill on September 25, 2007, 09:25:44 PM
Too many players either not good enough on that list, or simply past it in terms of inter-county football. Seamus Mulgrew will be 33 next year and we saw his best in 2003 whilst a bit-part player for Tyrone. We know what Sweeney can (and cannot) do and I don't think he's any better than what we have. Jarleth and Paddy Quinn won't count. McCrossan is over the wrong side of the hill. McConville - you must be joking.

How's Paul Marlowe coming along?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Puckoon on September 25, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 25, 2007, 09:25:44 PM
Too many players either not good enough on that list, or simply past it in terms of inter-county football. Seamus Mulgrew will be 33 next year and we saw his best in 2003 whilst a bit-part player for Tyrone. We know what Sweeney can (and cannot) do and I don't think he's any better than what we have. Jarleth and Paddy Quinn won't count. McCrossan is over the wrong side of the hill. McConville - you must be joking.

How's Paul Marlowe coming along?

I think declan could still do a job for tyrone. Albeit wing back isnt somewhere we are stuck for players. Did richard thornton show enough in the semi final to warrant another go?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oakleafgael on September 25, 2007, 10:25:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 25, 2007, 09:25:44 PM
Too many players either not good enough on that list, or simply past it in terms of inter-county football. Seamus Mulgrew will be 33 next year and we saw his best in 2003 whilst a bit-part player for Tyrone. We know what Sweeney can (and cannot) do and I don't think he's any better than what we have. Jarleth and Paddy Quinn won't count.

I now see more Tyrone club football than Derry and there are a few mentioned who could fit into the panel.

Sweeney was under rated in my opinion and would be a good addition as he can play in both defensive lines. I think there is a bad need for a midfielder to either partner Sean or replace him any let him play as a 3rd midfielder where he wouldnt be wasted tracking back. The liked of Jarlath Quinn would be worth a go. I thought he was very quickly cast aside after one bad half off football against Tohill who was at the top of his game that day.

McGinn would be an option for next year but would have to give 100% and quit the ground football. He needs experience though as I thought he stopped showing for the ball when the going got tough against the island. I was quite impressed with the Trillick lad who played in the Ulster championship before getting injured, cant remember his name, and would give him a run in preference to McGinn in the League.

McCarron from Dromore could be the man for the problem at the back and would be worth a 2/3 game run in the league in preference to Marlow who should be left to regain his full fitness, dont think he has quite been the same since his injury.

Just my thoughts from an outsiders perspective.

P.S. Thought Donnelly ruled the roost in the second half at the weekend but he is short of the one thing required for intercounty football and thats pace, especially for the style of football M.H. likes to play. An honest type of player but just a wee bit short of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 25, 2007, 10:31:07 PM
Fair point O'Neill on Mulgrew - didnt realise he was that old. Didnt rate Jarelth Quinn when playing for Tyrone but he does seem to offer the physical presence we need in midfield but you could be right. I dont agree with you on Sweeney. He was still relatively young in 05' and did a fairly good marking job on Stevie McDonnell in the ulster final. I thought he had the potential to come on to be a top class corner/wing back. Saw him playing this year in the championship and he was 1 of the best players on the pitch. In relation to McConville I wouldnt be convinced either but was going by what others have said. Dont think Thornton would make it at county level now just a bit short of that level.
Title: next year
Post by: Big Mickey on September 25, 2007, 10:43:13 PM
too many players on taht list that just arent good enuf and never will be, not a big fan of kerr, just dont think he has the pace or wokrrate for intercounty football,lets face it,he's just another gavin devlin which we definitley dont need. murray and gilmore worth a luk for sure,gr8 talents that must be nurtured. mc carron for full back is good but wud love to see him up against a good strong fast pacey full forward,think he mite get caught out, still rate big mcelholm  (once he's back from inury) as the best full back in the county without a shadow of doubt.pj quinn is a shoe in aswell. midfield is still a problem,dont think there is ne1 in the county good enuf,mayb justy mc mahon but need sum1 to sacrifice themselves and allow cavanagh to bomb forward and play his own game,ne1 out there that matches that description?????apply to mickey harte
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 25, 2007, 10:48:41 PM
We had an outstanding crop of players between 2003 and 2005 - simply outstanding - most of the players on this list wouldn't get near the 17 or 18 players that formed the backbone of these teams -
At the minute we have too many gaps to fill - principally full back  - then we need two tight marking corner backs - half back line is as good as there is out there - need another midfielder and a coule of forwards - oh and most importantly - the conductor of the orchestra - The Maestro Mc Guigan !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on September 25, 2007, 11:08:18 PM
Quote from: oakleafgael on September 25, 2007, 10:25:32 PM

McGinn would be an option for next year but would have to give 100% and quit the ground football. He needs experience though as I thought he stopped showing for the ball when the going got tough against the island. I was quite impressed with the Trillick lad who played in the Ulster championship before getting injured, cant remember his name, and would give him a run in preference to McGinn in the League.


Fair analysis oakleafgael, and that would be Niall Gormley you're referring to there, and would agree that he deserves a full run out.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on September 26, 2007, 12:04:56 PM
Tyrone 2008

1. Curran
2. PJ Quinn
3. C Gormley
4. D McCaul
5. Ricey
6. E McGinely/Jordan
7. D Harte
8. Justin McMahon
9. C Cavanagh
10. S Cavanagh
11. R Mulgrew
12. R Mellon
13. Daisy McDermott
14. Mugsy
15. N Gormley

16. J Devine
17. P Marlow
18. S Sweeny
19. P Donnelly
20. Kalvin Hughes/ Phillip Toner
21. M Murphy
22. A Cassidy
23. Joe McMahon
24. N McGinn
25. K McCrory
26. T McGuigan
27. Enda Clarke
28. Paul Quinn
29. M Murray
30. Cormac McGinley

this means no room for
B Dooher
S O'Neill- he would be on it but has long term injury and think this year will be a no go for him
P Rouse
A McCarron
M Penrose- though i thnk he never got a fair crack never got a run of games
M Magee

who id like to see get a chance/ another chance
Fran Loughran
Frank McGuigan Jnr
Ryan McCallion
Martin Hughes
J Gilmore





Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 26, 2007, 12:47:41 PM
Frank Mc Guigan has been outstanding for Ardboe for the past number of years and is a class act but didn't fit into MH's plans.

Brian Mc Guigan seems very upbeat and looks like he could well make a return next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Wee Roddy on September 26, 2007, 12:59:52 PM
There are a serious amount of names lads, yet onlt Conor Gormley warants a mention from Carrickmore. Not to be sounded patriotic etc but Carrickmore have not been beat since April when Clonoe beat them in the championship. It is a run of 16 games undeafeated. Surely there are a few that warrent trials or to get a run in a McKenna cup? Or am I looking with the rose tinted bifocals.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on September 26, 2007, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: Wee Roddy on September 26, 2007, 12:59:52 PM
There are a serious amount of names lads, yet onlt Conor Gormley warants a mention from Carrickmore. Not to be sounded patriotic etc but Carrickmore have not been beat since April when Clonoe beat them in the championship. It is a run of 16 games undeafeated. Surely there are a few that warrent trials or to get a run in a McKenna cup? Or am I looking with the rose tinted bifocals.

No I think you are dead right there wee roddy. For me Carmen are the best team in the county and as we have discussed (on this thread I think!) before Colm McGurk, wee Dan and Gaby McCallin are in my opinion all worth a go. Also whats the story with Mark Donnelly - a few years ago he looked to have plenty of potential.

Quote from: orangeman on September 26, 2007, 12:47:41 PM
Frank Mc Guigan has been outstanding for Ardboe for the past number of years and is a class act but didn't fit into MH's plans.

Brian Mc Guigan seems very upbeat and looks like he could well make a return next year.

On the Frank issue - fantastic club player been one of the top club forwards in Tyrone for the last 10 years. Dont know if he is suited to county football and would much rather have him excelling for Ardboe than warming the Tyrone bench.

As for Brian - hope he makes a recovery but hope he doesnt put himself under any pressure in rusing comeback, I would rather see everyone let him be and make his own mid up if he wants to come back and then do so when he is ready.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oakleafgael on September 26, 2007, 01:15:12 PM
Roddy,

Dont take this the wrong way as its meant as a compliment, my take on Carmen is that as a team they play above the sum of their individuals. I put this down to the fierce pride and commitment displayed for the jersey and tradition. A lot of teams are beat in the changing rooms before the match against Carrickmore, they think at the back of their minds there going to get beat and then they are.

The Carrickmore forwards where much of a muchness imo from what limited times I have seen them this year. A couple had a big reputation, Donnelly especially, but dont seem to have lived up to expectations. They have a very tight defence and probably McGurk would be the pick of these who might be able to step up to sounty level. The only thing that I wouldnt be sure about with him is his temperament, he seems to foul a lot, and does he have the required pace for county football.

Longball,

Your panel shows Kevin Hughes have been cast to the side, he has been poor this last two seasons but I would persevere with him yet. There is definetly one big season left in Dooher yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on September 26, 2007, 01:22:52 PM
fair points oakleaf. im not too convinced in B Dooher- hes injured again. he ahd one unreal game this season and the rest were well below average. could be time for Tyrone to move on without him.
As for Kevin Hughes he is a player ive always liked but think there is better knocking on the door. Feel he could be led to the cull
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Wee Roddy on September 26, 2007, 03:05:39 PM
Oakleafgael just to clarify one or two things for you
Colm McGurk is the fastest member of the Carrickmore football panel. Anyone who has marked him will tell you that. He did a brilliant job on Niall McGinn in the league in Donaghmore earlier in the year.
Secondly Mark Donnelly is on a working holiday in Austrailia all year. He declined a trial last year because of this and the year before he pulled his hamstring in the league final which ruled him out.
I would like to ask you who the names are in the forward line who latter to decieve?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: donegal gael on September 26, 2007, 03:29:51 PM
how can b dooher be left out he's your leader and an inspiration to the team and supporters.. i'd say mulligan would need to buck up his ideas and get fit! your man rouse never got much of a chance
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 26, 2007, 07:39:58 PM
Longball if Tyrone start with a full forward line of Daisy, Mugsy and Gormley I dont think theyd go very far. McDermot is below the level and there is isnt enough ball winning capability in the line. Gormely and Daisy are both small but if its a smaller forward we're picking it has to be McGinn who offers a lot more potential than the other 2 mentioned. PJ Quinn I think will definately get a go this year. What about Boggs - will he be back for a 3rd year or has he improved any? In relaion to Carrickmore players Id have no probs with 1 or 2 getting a go but just wasnt sure who the best options were. A few years ago Mark Donnelly looked good but never seemed to score enough. There was also talk about Gabby McCallan being the best option but wouldnt play. I also see some have attacked my list. As I said I was never suggesting all the players should be in the panel, they were only possibilites for a trial and some I was basing on what others have said. On another note we do seem to have midfield problems still and thats why I think Jarelth Quinn could be worth another look at. Maybe someone who has seen him play this year a few times could confirm what sort of form he is in. I also think Colm Cavanagh will get a go in midfield this year, he has the height and can catch a ball. He's still very young at 19/20 and should improve from last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 26, 2007, 08:47:11 PM
Main thing is to forget about the Mc Kenna cup etc and concentrate on the c'ship by having players ready for football in August !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: KIDDO on September 26, 2007, 10:16:31 PM
Seems that one bank  must have been reading the article by  Paddy Heaney ,in Tuesdays Irish News , as current Tyrone panelist Aidan Mc Carron is set to depart his salesman job with Tyrone sponsor Rocwell, to take up a well paid position with the Bank Of Ireland , only problem unlikeGooch and other kerry bank officials , is that Aidan has been unable to nail down a permanent   starting spot on  the first fifteen.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 26, 2007, 10:44:18 PM
Quotethis means no room for
B Dooher
S O'Neill- he would be on it but has long term injury and think this year will be a no go for him
P Rouse
A McCarron
M Penrose- though i thnk he never got a fair crack never got a run of games
M Magee

And Brendan Boggs.

Quote from: KIDDO on September 26, 2007, 10:16:31 PM
Seems that one bank  must have been reading the article by  Paddy Heaney ,in Tuesdays Irish News , as current Tyrone panelist Aidan Mc Carron is set to depart his salesman job with Tyrone sponsor Rocwell, to take up a well paid position with the Bank Of Ireland , only problem unlike Cooch and other kerry bank officials , is that Aidan has been unable to nail down a permanent   starting spot on  the first fifteen.

Who's Cooch?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 08:27:11 AM
Aidan Mc Carron wouldn't be the most high profile person on the panel, would he ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 27, 2007, 09:02:49 AM
Boys I ahte to see it but I think Tyrone needmore aggression in their team and certainly in the middle of the field.  Colm Cavanagh - I dont htink so.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 11:48:41 AM
Aggression didn't win the 2 Sams - ability, skill, hard work and know how won through - every team can do with a bit of aggression but there is a balance to be struck when you operate at the highest level.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 27, 2007, 04:37:36 PM
Tyrones most celebrated performance was Donegal in the championship this year, however I believe they played better football against Monaghan in the Mc Kenna cup in Breffni Park.  It was outstanding stuff.  Very few of these players were allowed to wear a jersey after this game.  I beleive Cavlan, Mulligan and probably a few othere are beyond their best.  The absolute minimum requirement for playing county football should be that you keep yourself in athletic condiditon.   
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 04:40:54 PM
It's a question of Tyrone players not having the necessary hunger I believe - players who are not regulars seem to have more to play for than people with 2 AI medals in their pockets.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 04:42:13 PM
But then another question arises - are these non regular players good enough or talented enough to win an AI ? Answer - probably not.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 27, 2007, 04:43:25 PM
Hard to answer that my orange friend unless they get the chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 04:45:35 PM
Next season may provide us with the answers - I'm tempted to agree with you - boys like Mulligan, HUB,Jordan, Mc Menamin etc all seemed to underperform this year - they looked tired and unfit - especially Mulligan and Jordan ( compared to 2005 )
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on September 27, 2007, 04:49:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 04:45:35 PM
Next season may provide us with the answers - I'm tempted to agree with you - boys like Mulligan, HUB,Jordan, Mc Menamin etc all seemed to underperform this year - they looked tired and unfit - especially Mulligan and Jordan ( compared to 2005 )

do u reckon MH needs to change his backroom staff? i mean the team was very fit in 2003 Under Paddy Tally, a great coach, but have failed to hit that level since, in 2005 they played 10 championship games which really brought on their fitness and sharpness levels, does anone else think this? who is tyrones coaches anyway? sorta lost track after the tally era!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 27, 2007, 05:03:21 PM
Lads you will not get a man fit who chooses not to do the personalised training program and sups the night away.  If however the personal training program points that out then the trainer needs chased.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
Supping ? As in having a skinful ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 27, 2007, 05:18:15 PM
Absolutely.  Tyrone need to bring back the athletic into GAA.  Too many slouches. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: TyronePhilly on September 27, 2007, 05:30:58 PM
Quote from: longball on September 27, 2007, 04:49:52 PM
Quote from: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 04:45:35 PM
Next season may provide us with the answers - I'm tempted to agree with you - boys like Mulligan, HUB,Jordan, Mc Menamin etc all seemed to underperform this year - they looked tired and unfit - especially Mulligan and Jordan ( compared to 2005 )

do u reckon MH needs to change his backroom staff? i mean the team was very fit in 2003 Under Paddy Tally, a great coach, but have failed to hit that level since, in 2005 they played 10 championship games which really brought on their fitness and sharpness levels, does anone else think this? who is tyrones coaches anyway? sorta lost track after the tally era!

Not looking to offend the current crop of coaches and backroom staff....however

I agree 100%....as I posted there a month or so ago - I was watching the match against Kerry in 2003, the Semi-Final, Tyrone were tenacious! The fitness level was immense. I remember Tyrone walking off the pitch, trading jerseys etc. and some of them had still to put on their traded jerseys or had taken off their own----these men were chiseled---it looked as if they were cut from blocks of stone. Some of these same panelists are shadows of their form in 2003 to be honest.

Harte has done a terrific job with Tyrone at both Senior and Underage Levels, however, he may need to step away for a moment and reassess the situation. Look at the performance these men gave in 2003/early 2004.....does he still see the same? McGuigan is a huge loss; McAnallen, God rest him; Canavan has moved on-----I still think we have the talent to win a couple more All-Irelands.

Conor Gormley may be one of the best backs some of us will see in our day. Sean Cavanagh has one of the greatest engines in the game with awareness/brains to burn. How many times have we seen Sean in close and he fists the ball over the bar whereas many others would be looking to bust the net from impossible angles, get blocked and then get caught out with too many men deep and the other team marches down the field for a point. I would like to see McMenamin inserted into the halfback line for the McKenna Cup. We need to find two answers for midfield and free up S Cavanagh as an attacking midfielder/half forward.

If this man was running at defences left, right, and center---believe me, alot of our problems up front would disappear...this man can find space better than NASA!

I think if you tried some of the following upfront for the McKenna Cup/National League...we would soon find out where we are:

Possible Half-Forwards
Sean Cavanagh
Colm Cavanagh-----(if not being tried in midfield)
Raymie Mulgrew
Tommy McGuigan
Ryan Mellon
Mickey Murphy
Marty McCreesh

(of course Dooher will be recovering from operation...and should be given ample recovery time)

Possible Full-Forwards
Niall P McGinn
Aidan Cassidy
Owen Mulligan
Niall Gormley
Ronan Ward
Colm McCullagh
Eoin McCusker
Daisy McDermott

(of course O'Neill will be recovering from operation...and should be given ample recovery time)
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 27, 2007, 05:44:56 PM
Best post of the day.  Conor Gormley if he loses a bit of weight can be one of the best of his generation. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 27, 2007, 05:58:51 PM
First of all you need hunger - if there's no hunger, you can train all you like -
So concentrate on the hunger - do we have the appetite ? If we do great, but if not, we need to weed out those who aren't and replace them with the new kids on the block. We have to reinvent ourselves in order to succeed.

After you get the heads right, then you can start on the body !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: TyronePhilly on September 27, 2007, 08:15:29 PM
Also...would like to see the following men in the backs.....

Ciaran McAleer
Colm McGurk
Damian McCaul
Dermot Carlin
Ryan McMenamin
Conor Gormley
Joe McMahon
Philip Jordan
David Harte
Martin Swift
Enda McGinley
Colm McElholm
Dean O'Neill
Paul Marlowe

probably missed a couple
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 27, 2007, 08:16:31 PM
Oneil Cup 2007 in relation to that the Monaghan game that you referred to was that not the one were Cavlan was Tyrone's best player so bit unfair to single him out for being dropped. He's a year older now and it would take a great effort on his part to be part of the plans next year. Im sure he still has the capability to be a great impact sub but not sure if he has the hunger. Maybe Mugsy should take a complete break from football for 3-6 months to try and regain his hunger (although he need to stay in decent shape). On another point Im not sure how you can rule out Colm Cavanagh. He was excellent in McKenna Cup v Derry and against Dubs under the lights and has the height and ability. He is also onlly 19/20 and with a years county experience behind him could improve considerably in the next year or 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 28, 2007, 08:57:00 AM
would not rule Cavangh out II would condsider the replacement of Cavanagh with cavanagh jnr and move sean to wing half forward.  But i wouild want an ignorant hallion alongside him. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 09:24:17 AM
Are there any suitably ignorant hallions out there ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 09:24:52 AM
But they need to be able to play a bit too, don't they ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on September 28, 2007, 09:28:08 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 09:24:52 AM
But they need to be able to play a bit too, don't they ?

Exactly - and players like that dont grow an trees. Still think Hub is the best bet Tyrone have from this point of view, he was just lacking a bit of sharpness (but then so was the vast majoity of them) and form this season. He is definitely worth his place on the panel in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: oneillcup2007 on September 28, 2007, 10:06:12 AM
Boys even last years form isnt good enough if the player is out of form this year.  According to some on here playing well in 2003 or 2005 merits you a place in the squad.  That is akin to saying Errigal and Carmen are still to be feared despite being virtually unrecognisable from their great teams of the past. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: paradiseatdunmoyle on September 28, 2007, 10:35:26 AM

you are a slabber oneillcup2007. i now will support dromore and the rest of the county are beginning till turn
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 11:37:33 AM
Lads,I think O'Neill is trying to wind you all up here and you're all falling for it - relax ! Kiddo used to be at this carry on too, so take it easy !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: rrhf on September 28, 2007, 12:04:07 PM
i woulnt fancy betting against a carmen team who look re invigorated for their break.  It should be a great champsionship next year, but theres always been a few good championships.  As for the league this year, Carmen or Errigal can have it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 12:50:53 PM
Are Donaghmore not still in the top 4 RRHF ?? If not, can they still get into it ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: rrhf on September 28, 2007, 02:01:43 PM
They are 5th to the best of my knowledge.  To be honest i havent seen the team play in the league now for a couple of months so I couldnt tell how well they are playing but they are keeping in touch. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on September 28, 2007, 02:05:26 PM
who exactly is in MH's entourage (his back room team)??
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: rrhf on September 28, 2007, 02:29:03 PM
may I just add my voice to the chorus welcoming Brian Mc Guigan back as he commences his training.  Keep er lit Brian and i cant wait to roar you back on to the field in the coming months. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 28, 2007, 04:51:34 PM
I'll drink to that RRFH !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 29, 2007, 10:44:41 AM
If everyone was available which they wont be due to the university rule here's the type of team Id like to see out next year for the 1st McKenna Cup game:
Jonathan Curran
PJ Quinn
Cathal McCarron
Paul Marlow
Shane Sweeney
Enda McGinley
Brendan Boggs
Jarelth Quinn
Justy McMahon
Philip Toner
Tommy McGuigan
Plunkett Kane
Niall McGinn
Colm Cavanagh
Aidan McCarron
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 29, 2007, 10:57:48 AM
You're dreaming - can't see this line up happening - it would be nice to see it all the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on September 29, 2007, 11:04:26 AM
I think next year is going to be a huge season for Tyrone. Players like Mulgrew, McGuigan Jnr, McMahon Jnr and Cavanagh Jnr now have a bit of experience behind them at the level and if theyre going to turn their potential into performances the time has to be now. 2 or 3 of the younger guys really have to push on and become key players in the team next season if we're going to do anything. Would also like to think that someone like McGinn could come in with the suprise element and cause opposition defenders headaches. We cant solely rely on the 03/05 players to be the key players anymore especially with the injury luck we have had.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 29, 2007, 02:45:35 PM
Mickey may decide in 08 that he might have been too loyal to his stalwarts and will move on and put his faith in the new kids ??
Title: first mckenna cup game
Post by: Big Mickey on September 29, 2007, 09:39:26 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 29, 2007, 10:44:41 AM
If everyone was available which they wont be due to the university rule here's the type of team Id like to see out next year for the 1st McKenna Cup game:
Jonathan Curran
PJ Quinn
Cathal McCarron
Paul Marlow
Shane Sweeney
Enda McGinley
Brendan Boggs
Jarelth Quinn
Justy McMahon
Philip Toner
Tommy McGuigan
Plunkett Kane
Niall McGinn
Colm Cavanagh
Aidan McCarron

like the look of that team to be honest dreamer.probly too early for it to be competitive in championship football but the mckeena cup is where u learn ur trade. However, seriously close to become an optimist so instead il go ultra critical, dont think marlow will ever make a county corner back, good player, dunno where u wud play him tho. sweeney is a good panal player but not the answer to tryones problems. aidy mc carron isnt good enough for chamionship and never will be. i will go out on a limb here and say plunket kane is the best player in that half forward line, strong fast and a goal scorer,philly is lazy and not strong enough and tommy is better in the inside forward line. still offers alot of hope though and theres even better players coming up aswell!!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Redhandfan on September 29, 2007, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 29, 2007, 10:44:41 AM
If everyone was available which they wont be due to the university rule here's the type of team Id like to see out next year for the 1st McKenna Cup game:
Jonathan Curran
PJ Quinn
Cathal McCarron
Paul Marlow
Shane Sweeney
Enda McGinley
Brendan Boggs
Jarelth Quinn
Justy McMahon
Philip Toner
Tommy McGuigan
Plunkett Kane
Niall McGinn
Colm Cavanagh
Aidan McCarron

That's an interesting selection alright and one I would like to see in action in at least one of the Dr McKenna Cup games.  However, I would try to find room for Cookstown's Marty Murray in that half back line.  He has been a model of consistency for his club this past few seasons.  Guys like Sweeney and Jarlath Quinn probably deserve another chance to see if they can cut it at this level.  Coalisland's Niall Kerr was a very promising county underage player....he is another who I would like to see in McKenna Cup action.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrones own on September 30, 2007, 05:19:59 AM
   I think we might need to look for a bit a height as well to fill some of these Positions,
 don't think 5-9 or 5-10 is going to cut it for where i believe football is headed,
 we've struggled at times against the bigger stronger teams.
 Hunger though could well be the problem alright, that's why you have to tip your hat
 to the Kingdom, them boys keep coming back year in year out.
 Someone mentioned the training regime, maybe, but there are a few of
 the stalwarts that might need to take a year out and take a look at themselves imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrones own on September 30, 2007, 05:24:19 AM

  ouch.....
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on September 30, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
I saw Shane Sweeney y'day and thought he still could do a job for Tyrone - big, strong, fast, skilful and a bit of a hard nut !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrones own on October 01, 2007, 04:47:09 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 30, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
I saw Shane Sweeney y'day and thought he still could do a job for Tyrone - big, strong, fast, skilful and a bit of a hard nut !


Rarely put a foot wrong imo, better yet,
did he ever produce anything less than Mulligan has since '03
any chance he got? yet one still starts and the other isn't even on the panel :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: parttimeexile on October 01, 2007, 08:48:53 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on October 01, 2007, 04:47:09 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 30, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
I saw Shane Sweeney y'day and thought he still could do a job for Tyrone - big, strong, fast, skilful and a bit of a hard nut !


Rarely put a foot wrong imo, better yet,
did he ever produce anything less than Mulligan has since '03
any chance he got? yet one still starts and the other isn't even on the panel :-\


Sure weeney took himself off the panel because of work commitments.I'm sure he could be there if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on October 01, 2007, 09:01:29 AM
Quote from: orangeman on September 30, 2007, 10:47:21 PM
I saw Shane Sweeney y'day and thought he still could do a job for Tyrone - big, strong, fast, skilful and a bit of a hard nut !

You are right there orangeman he had a great game for Aghayarn yesterday. No doubt in my mind he could still play for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tieroan on October 01, 2007, 04:07:20 PM
I really think that Mickey should take a look at Stephen McNally and Niall Kerr. Both are young but they have a county air about them.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrones own on October 01, 2007, 07:16:09 PM

[/quote]

Sure weeney took himself off the panel because of work commitments.I'm sure he could be there if he wanted to.


I think if he had been making the starting 15 or even knocking on the door of it we
might have seen his commitments altered a little.
Probably didn't want to knock his shite out 4 or 5 nights a week so that he could sit on the bench
and watch consistent starters under perform, can't say I'd blame him.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on October 01, 2007, 08:35:21 PM
The level of commitment is huge - especially if you're living in places like Aygharan where the travel distance is greater - maybe his hear wasn't fuly in it - but he struck me as a player who Tyrone could be doing with - they lack defenders who can purely defend - man markers -
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: longball on October 02, 2007, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 29, 2007, 10:44:41 AM

Aidan McCarron

A Big NO in my books! believe he isnt even willing to play for Fintona as would rather play soccer at the moment. Tyrone need players who are hungry to play Gaelic football! which sadly puts question marks over N McGinn!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: rrhf on October 02, 2007, 02:03:40 PM
Mc Ginn loves playing Gaelic for his club.  I dont know what the intentions are for the county although I strongly believe he could make it.  He just loves sport and that to his credit.  But its his own business.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on October 03, 2007, 08:30:55 AM
Does Mc Ginn get paid by the Swifts ?
What if Donaghmore were to give him expenses ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone on October 07, 2007, 08:02:43 PM
Quote from: longball on October 02, 2007, 01:53:59 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on September 29, 2007, 10:44:41 AM

Aidan McCarron

A Big NO in my books! believe he isnt even willing to play for Fintona as would rather play soccer at the moment. Tyrone need players who are hungry to play Gaelic football! which sadly puts question marks over N McGinn!

Aidan McCarron has only played 2 Games of Soccer in a Year so i dont know where that came from. He has been struggling with a Hamstring injury and with Fintona already relegated he has been told by Tyrone Physios to rest. I heard he came on against aghaloo an scored 4 points from play in ten mins. Wudn have him in the first 15 for Tyrone but definetly worth his place in the Squad
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on October 07, 2007, 08:32:26 PM
Haven't seen much of Mc Carron so can't really say - will he take part in the trials that are coming up ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on October 14, 2007, 07:06:20 PM
Some Dromore players really caught the eye and must be worth a shout.
Mickey Garry
Shaun O'Neill (full forward)
Sean O'Neill (half back)

these players look superb.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on October 14, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
Sam 03/05 them 3 players you mentioned were superb today. There is obviously a difference between club and county but they are definately worth a look at. Fabien O'Neil was very good at corner back but may be a little small for county. Didnt see enough of Cathal McCarron today to judge him.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on October 14, 2007, 11:00:21 PM
Down in the first round ? What you think ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on October 15, 2007, 09:30:33 PM
If I'm not mistaken Gilmore, Kerr, O'Hagan, McRory, Devlin, Cavanagh and Cassidy all are u21 again this year. The last 5 definitely are but Kerr and Gilmore I'm not 100% sure about.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: belfastboy on October 15, 2007, 09:42:34 PM
tyrone minors 01
J Devine, R O'Neill, D Carlin, M McStravock, J McMahon, K McCrory, P Quinn, P Donnelly, B Mulligan, C Donnelly, S Cavanagh, T McGuigan, L Meenan, M Penrose, G Toner.

Tyrone minors 98
Pascal McConnell, Gavin Devlin, Michael McGee, Fran Loughran, Ciaran Meenagh, Darren O'Hanlon, Peter O'Neill , Cormac McAnallen, Kevin Hughes; Gavin Wylie, Martin Hughes, Stephen O'Neill, Aidan Lynch, Enda McGinley, Eoin Mulligan.

who was the better team? Who hasn't been tried by management and who should be tried?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on October 15, 2007, 09:47:18 PM
I just checked all the lads I mentioned plus Niall McGinn Eskra are underage from the AI winning minor team of 04
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on October 15, 2007, 09:51:03 PM
The 98 team was the better side hands down. With the exception of the drawn Down game in Healy (Brian McGuigan Centre Half Back for the first 15 minutes - what where you thinking Mickey) they won all of their games at a canter. And don't forget McGuigan missed the guts of the year with a broken collarbone. And Philly Jordan was only a sub on that side.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on October 15, 2007, 09:51:34 PM
In 2008 smartarse  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on October 15, 2007, 09:56:29 PM
Tyrone v Down 2005: G Kelly (Stewartstown), N Loughran (Carrickmore), C McCarron (Dromore), S O'Neill (Dromore), J Gilmore (Cookstown) (0-1), N Kerr (Coalisland), C McGinley (Errigal Ciaran) (0-1), C Cavanagh (Moy) (0-1), S O'Hagan (Clonoe), J Kelly (Errigal Ciaran) (0-2), A Cassidy (Augher), S Donaghy (Loughmacrory), G Devlin (Stewartstown) (0-1), C McCarron (Omagh) (0-3), C O'Donnell (Omagh) (0-1). Subs: N McGinn (Donaghmore) (0-5, 3 frees) for Donaghy, P Toner (Coalisland) for Devlin, D McBride (Strabane) for O'Hagan

Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneman on November 07, 2007, 01:27:45 PM
Article from the Indo............. Hope we DO discover some hidden gems (esp for MF and FB) and also that MH actually gives them some decent game time in the McKenna / NFL..........

Cavanagh backs hunt for hidden Tyrone gems

SEAN Cavanagh believes undiscovered talent is waiting to be unearthed in Tyrone's lower divisions.

The former AllStar has welcomed a new initiative which will give players from smaller clubs a chance to impress county manager Mickey Harte.

The county's own Allstar scheme, run by Teamtalk magazine, is to honour selected teams from all four divisions, which will be invited to take part in trials later this month.

"I think the Teamtalk AllStars has been a good idea. We played a trial game against the main Allstar team last year as well and it helped us discover some new players, such as Damien McCaul," said Cavanagh.

"And with players from the lower divisions getting their chance now as well, it's a great opportunity for some of them.

"Hopefully we'll be able to uncover a bit more talent from the lower leagues and get the best 15 players playing for Tyrone next year."

While Cavanagh is keen to see new players emerging to strengthen the Tyrone squad, he is equally anxious to welcome back a raft of established stars who played little or no part this year due to injury.

"We'd like to see Brian McGuigan back playing football, and the other injured boys, the likes of Stevie O'Neill, Brian Dooher.

"We have had a disappointing couple of years with injuries, so we'd like to rebuild during the winter and be ready to give it a good rattle in 2008."
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: JOEPPT on November 07, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
Saw Sweeney play a few times over the past 2 years. Still looks that he could do a job for Tyrone. Strong in the tackle and the way Tyrone have been going would  be useful
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on November 07, 2007, 03:22:44 PM
Now the season is over list people you would like to see get a run in at least the McKenna Cup and maybe even the National League in order to breathe some much needed life into the county set up that in my opinion looks a bit stale.  To start the ball rolling I will name a few:

PJ Quinn - Moortown

Cathal McCarron, Sean O'Neill, Mickey Garry - Dromore

Niall McGinn - Donaghmore

Shane Sweeny - Aghayarn (not really nre blood but he has been absent for 2 seasons and is better than people in the squad in my opinon)

Colm McGurk, Ciaran McAleer, Gaby McCallin - Carmen
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on November 07, 2007, 07:41:01 PM
Niall Gormley of Trillick should get a full run out too, and wouldn't mind seeing a few of the Coalisland lads having a chance, despite the aberration of the County Final.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 07, 2007, 08:48:25 PM
Tyrone havent produced a good scoring forward at county level in over 5 years - this is a major problem. McGinn looked like a great prospect but I see he has ruled himself out as he'd rather concentrate on playing for Dungannon Swifts which is disapppointing and unless he makes it to the big time in soccer is a waste of talent. I think there is decent talent in the county and the Dromore full forward looks well worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Also its important that some of the lads showing potential like Cavangh jnr, Mulgrew and McMahon Jnr really kick on. I think its a must that Harte gets Sweeney back. Not only is he a decent man to man marker but would also add some much needed height to the corner back positions. Wonder will Boggs be back - he's yet to play much football in 2 years. Whats the situation with Aiden McCarron, is he injured?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: clarshack on November 07, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
havent really seen much of PJ Quinn but a lot of people dont seem to rate him.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 07, 2007, 09:12:18 PM
QuoteWonder will Boggs be back - he's yet to play much football in 2 years. Whats the situation with Aiden McCarron, is he injured?

Brendy I'd say will try to get in the Tyrone panel again at least. This year he got little Club football due to being in the County set-up, and then broke his shoulder when back with the Club!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on November 07, 2007, 09:45:13 PM
Gilmore and Kerr are both deffo under 21 for tyrone this year. In fact Gilmore has another two years at under 21 for Tyrone. Thats if the competiton is still being played by then.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on November 07, 2007, 10:01:50 PM
Shane Sweeney was one of the defenders that I saw this year who was big and strong and looked county material.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on November 07, 2007, 10:13:52 PM
When do trials start ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: KIDDO on November 07, 2007, 11:40:58 PM
Trials were taking place tonight in Healy Park.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on November 08, 2007, 08:33:42 AM
Any new faces there ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: mannix on November 08, 2007, 11:19:09 AM
At this point I think that sean cavanagh is praying that there is gems to be found because the lads on the panel are not up to the mark.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: highcatch on November 08, 2007, 11:02:10 PM
Any word of who were the new faces (or old faces) who were at the Tyrone senior trials last night in Omagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on November 11, 2007, 06:16:38 PM
Was at Dromore Ulster club replay against Mayobridge. In my opinion Tyrone had two big problems last year. Fullback and the lack of a good ball winning forward.

McCarron the Dromore fullback looks the part he marked Benny Coulter out of the replayed game and did a great job on him in the opening match. Great prospect and must be worth a real chance for Tyrone.

O'Neill the Dromore corner forward was unreal. He completly destroyed his man today (like he has been doing all year long) won every type of ball, scored from all types of angles. Is strong, lighting quick and can really take a score.

To think that these two players are both 19 years old. Must be worth a place in the Tyrone team. To be honest I could probably pick 3 or 4 other Dromore players who also deserve a shout. Is mickey mcgee a better corner back than Fabian O'Neill? I doubt it
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 06:47:39 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on November 07, 2007, 08:48:25 PM
Tyrone havent produced a good scoring forward at county level in over 5 years - this is a major problem. McGinn looked like a great prospect but I see he has ruled himself out as he'd rather concentrate on playing for Dungannon Swifts which is disapppointing and unless he makes it to the big time in soccer is a waste of talent. I think there is decent talent in the county and the Dromore full forward looks well worth a shot in the McKenna Cup. Also its important that some of the lads showing potential like Cavangh jnr, Mulgrew and McMahon Jnr really kick on. I think its a must that Harte gets Sweeney back. Not only is he a decent man to man marker but would also add some much needed height to the corner back positions. Wonder will Boggs be back - he's yet to play much football in 2 years. Whats the situation with Aiden McCarron, is he injured?

Only player of the year in 2005 Stephen O'Neill ???
However, I see your point, we need more freescoring forwards.


Justy got shafted with the timely return of Phillip Jordan (who didnt look that fit during the championship run)

We are always troubled in the full back line. We already have a team of 15 who can play half back positions. Shane had some trouble with the pacier forwards towards the end of his last tyrone stint, his man marking skills were put well to the test. What makes you think he has gotten any quicker over the last 2 years to where its a must that he should be back in the team?

I think we need to rebuild the full back line around a decent full back. I dont think that the answer lies with past or present players.

Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on November 11, 2007, 07:48:57 PM
From what I saw of Shane Sweeney this year, he is as good if not better than what Tyrone have had this year - If I was Mickey, I would be lifting the phone !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on November 11, 2007, 09:26:05 PM
Puckoon - Stephen O'Neill first played at senior level for Tyrone in 1999. so he didnt come on the scene on the last 5 years. Tyrone havent produced a new forward at county level in over 5 years that can be relied on to socre consistently from play. Hopefully the Dromore full forward can solve this. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Puckoon on November 12, 2007, 01:35:41 AM
TD, am aware that stevie debuted in 1999 - I failed to note that you were refering to a new free scoring forward. Never the less, our point is the same - no one else to take up the mantle when he is out of action with injury. Id still love someone in the mould of richard thornton as a minor to have a constant goal threat.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: JOEPPT on November 15, 2007, 11:35:23 PM
Still no news from trials held in Omagh last week. Definate need for a few new faces but it is too much to expect that a new face will be able to fill full back or in midfield in his forst year. Was at the Omagh Trillick game on Sunday and have to say Joey McMahon looking nothing like a county player - really unfit and had to be moved from full back before the end of the first quarter. Justin looked OK and Niall Gormley was alright but did not stand out as a county player. Damian Gormley can on near the end and he was the only Trillick man able to win his own ball. Trillick are better in intermediate and i cant see Omagh survive too long in Senior withour some real effort from their players. They have great talent but sem to lack the real drive to win
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on November 16, 2007, 11:06:30 AM
I see on the main Tyrone thread that Omagh have suposedly appointed Roger Keenan as their new manager - he may well instill the drive that some say are missing  - Joe Mc Mahon loks unfit and overweight - is this the case ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Over the Bar on November 16, 2007, 08:16:17 PM
QuoteTyrone havent produced a new forward at county level in over 5 years that can be relied on to socre consistently from play.

Players like PTG only come along once in a lifetime and those like SON once per decade.  Tyrone can compensate for this with a fully fit Brian McGuigan as all the forward has to do is find himself a bit of space in a scoring position and BMG will put the ball in his lap.    It's nice to have a 7 point a game man but its nicer to have 4 chipping it with 3 or 4 scores each.   
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on November 17, 2007, 10:35:41 AM
Dromore Snowy O' Neill is getting rave reviews at the moment - will he get a call up ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: ziggysego on November 17, 2007, 10:52:34 AM
Had a dream last night that Tyrone beat Down by 11 points in the Ulster Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone exile on November 17, 2007, 08:32:09 PM
pity, i fancied down for ulster  :D thought them trials last week in omagh were for teamtalk allstars? naw?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on November 17, 2007, 10:06:11 PM
Sweet dream Ziggy ? lol
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 18, 2007, 01:18:28 AM
Dromore have so many O'Neill's in their line-up, I get them mixed up. None of them are brothers I think.

Shaun/Sean Snowy O'Neill definitely looks the part for the county stage. He's exciting.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneman on December 20, 2007, 03:37:31 PM
So............now the first squad has been released.

1. who d'ya think will be most likely to make the step up (if any) to the first 15?

2. will Hub be in 2003 or 2007 form?

3. Who will pick up the scores if SON ain't fit?

4. do we have an genuine alternative partner for Big Sean?

5. Will Sean be in MF or the HF line?

6. Will McCarron make the grade at FB?

7. Will Joey McMahon lose the beef?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Goats Do Shave on December 20, 2007, 03:59:43 PM
Heard rumours AGAIN, that Stevie O'Neill is for packing inter county football in...
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: rrhf on December 20, 2007, 05:32:47 PM
Thats right and If I want to hear the latest gossip and rumours on Tyrone football I know where to find them......Armaghj ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on December 23, 2007, 06:18:15 PM
This story about Stevie O'Neill seems to be doind the rounds - Norf Tyrone - are you out there ? What's the score with O'Neill ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 24, 2007, 02:07:11 AM
Quote from: orangeman on December 23, 2007, 06:18:15 PM
This story about Stevie O'Neill seems to be doind the rounds - Norf Tyrone - are you out there ? What's the score with O'Neill ?


Yip
I'm hear alright OM, but I've heard very little down this neck of the woods regarding. Does Fuzzman still post here, he's a Clann man, and might have the inside track.

Rumours like this tend to run and run, and be totally groundless. It's like the rumour re Declan McCrossan falling out with Mickey Harte, with was BS, and this week's teamtalk puts it to bed once and for all.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fuzzman on January 04, 2008, 10:10:47 AM
Haven't been on Board for months lads as have been mad busy.

I'm based in Dublin now so dont get as much local news as the rest of the Clann but I did hear the rumour and its all very quiet on the matter back at home.
I've heard it's true but not official so of what I know of Stevie, he's football mad and so maybe he's been advised NOT to play any more but he's just taking time out to decide later in the year.

I wouldn't expect him to play in the league anyway and had a torrid time last year travelling up and down to Wexford was it to that Ice chamber place for his knee.

So what the latest on all these new lads that have been drafted in to the squad and also into the Uni squads.
If anyone can give us all a run down on who's who? Their club, position, strengths & weaknesses and how likely they are to make the team this year
How's likely to be dropped this year bar the Dogman and will Enda mcGinley be cursed again in the coming months.

Has Brian Mac regained his vision completely now and how's he getting on with training.

I'll hardly get to any League games this year and our 1st baby is due this Sat so think I'll be sitting waiting with the Red hand shirt ready for him/Her before that Dublin accent kicks in.

Happy New Year Fellow Gaels

Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 05, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
Your're pregnant Fuzzman ? Congratulations !!  :D ;D

Seriously though, I hope all goes well with you and the wife  -

Brian has a contact lens in now which enables him to see fairly well - without it he can't see much -

I hope we see Brian and Stevie return to full fitness and back to their footballing best this summer. League isn't important in my opinion. Ask Brian Mc Ivor !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 05, 2008, 04:59:41 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 05, 2008, 02:33:57 PM
Brian has a contact lens in now which enables him to see fairly well - without it he can't see much -

That's good news orangeman, just as long as he has something like 20/20 vision, with or without a lens.

Congrats Fuzzman, and good luck with that, and to the other half too  ;) Any news yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fuzzman on January 06, 2008, 01:29:59 AM
Cheers lads

Nothing is astirring yet folks and Doc says it mightn't be until 17th so might as well make the most of my sleep
Poor Toffees got knocked outta FA cup today was a bit of a shock but we'll take Chelski this Tue.  ::)

Any details on all these new lads in the squad
See Colm Cavanagh was playing midfield of the Poly and got 2 goals
Will he make the starting line up this year
He and big Sean take some aggro each match they play now

Good night and can't believe I'm on the  Board on a Sat nite at 1.29am. Times have achanged for Le Fuzz
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on January 06, 2008, 01:29:59 AM
Cheers lads

Nothing is astirring yet folks and Doc says it mightn't be until 17th so might as well make the most of my sleep
Poor Toffees got knocked outta FA cup today was a bit of a shock but we'll take Chelski this Tue.  ::)

Any details on all these new lads in the squad
See Colm Cavanagh was playing midfield of the Poly and got 2 goals
Will he make the starting line up this year
He and big Sean take some aggro each match they play now

Good night and can't believe I'm on the  Board on a Sat nite at 1.29am. Times have achanged for Le Fuzz


Fuzzman, you dont know the half of it! Hope you and your better half enjoy the arrival of the new one. My little girl is a month old today and it is some serious change. Great fun though.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fuzzman on January 24, 2008, 12:59:26 PM
"Its a boy" I cried out as everyone else was expecting a girl for some reason

Jamie Patrick was born last Tue at 9lbs 7 ounces in the Coombe in Dublin
Everyone is keen he'll be raised a dub but he'll be a Red hand Toffee like his da

Any news I've missed?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: ziggysego on January 24, 2008, 01:24:41 PM
Is it true that SON's out for the year? The knee injuries apparently isn't coming along as first hoped.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 01:38:59 PM
Congrats to Fuzzman -you'll have many sleepless nights !!!!!!! I hope not all the same -   ;D :D :D >:(


Is it the case that SON and Micky Harte may no longer have the very close relationship they once enjoyed ??? Just a thought......... ????
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: To whom it may concern on January 24, 2008, 04:52:58 PM
apparently o'neill expressed on behalf of several team mates their frustration with the backroom staff/training...harte told him to worry about getting fit and thinks aren't as close as before....does seem odd that we supply so many outstanding coaches to other counties whilst depriving ourselves
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: feetofflames on January 24, 2008, 05:04:32 PM
If its true that O Neills Career may be cut short by the wrong type of training prep work, If I had his talent Id be angry too.  But id ask does anyone know better than Mickey in Tyrone football - Id doubt it.  I heard the talk of wee Peter too, didnt believe it but ye never know.   
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 24, 2008, 06:32:57 PM
Quote"Its a boy" I cried out as everyone else was expecting a girl for some reason

Jamie Patrick was born last Tue at 9lbs 7 ounces in the Coombe in Dublin
Everyone is keen he'll be raised a dub but he'll be a Red hand Toffee like his da

Any news I've missed?


Yip....Everton were beat in the CC Semi  ;D

I see you got a wee mention in the CNG notes this week.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on January 24, 2008, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: To whom it may concern on January 24, 2008, 04:52:58 PM
apparently o'neill expressed on behalf of several team mates their frustration with the backroom staff/training...harte told him to worry about getting fit and thinks aren't as close as before....does seem odd that we supply so many outstanding coaches to other counties whilst depriving ourselves

Call me a cynic but on the day O'Neill announces his retirement there's talk of tension between himself and Mickey? Co-incidence?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 11:18:06 PM
Don't think so - I believe I posted this today :

Is it the case that SON and Micky Harte may no longer have the very close relationship they once enjoyed  Just a thought......... ?


So I got the story before it was announced - obviously they read this board and decided to come clean before I divulged the story !  ;) ;) ;D

It would be very regretable if SON was leaving because of a difference of opinion / row between him and management ???????

I had heard that the players wanted Canavan to have a leading role in the set up - any one hear this ??????
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on January 24, 2008, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 11:18:06 PM

I had heard that the players wanted Canavan to have a leading role in the set up - any one hear this ??????


Never heard that one but can anyone answer me this - has there been anyone of prominence on any of Harte's backroom teams (at any level) with the exception of Paddy Tally that hasn't been from a Clogher Valley club or had ties with St Ciaran's Ballygawley?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: never kickt a ball on January 24, 2008, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on January 24, 2008, 11:30:32 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 24, 2008, 11:18:06 PM

I had heard that the players wanted Canavan to have a leading role in the set up - any one hear this ??????


Never heard that one but can anyone answer me this - has there been anyone of prominence on any of Harte's backroom teams (at any level) with the exception of Paddy Tally that hasn't been from a Clogher Valley club or had ties with St Ciaran's Ballygawley?

Fr Gerard McAleer?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on January 24, 2008, 11:43:32 PM
Well that's one's a bit of a grey area considering his proximity to what would have been the old Glencull catchment but I take your point.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: ONeill on January 24, 2008, 11:45:29 PM
I'd heard last Halloween that two leading lights in the Tyrone senior set-up hadn't seen eye-to-eye for the guts of a year. Today's news almost confirms what I'd previously taken with a pinch of salt then.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneman on January 25, 2008, 12:18:33 AM
I think we have a major, major problem here.

There is no-one at present who would be considered a top class (i.e. up there with Gooch, McDonnell, Mortimer,Bradley etc) forward in the Tyrone set up. To my mind no team has won an AI in the last 25 years without at least 1.

Mugsy has been capable of sheer brilliance in the past but never consistancy.He has also failed 9/10 times to shine when he is the main man i.e. without Peter or SON beside him

I also think there may be something to this backroom staff rumour...........when Tally was there we at least were fit and healthy. We eventually became fit due to the volume of games in 2005, not down to the fitness regime. The last 2 seasons we have been very lethargic looking compared to our work rate of old.

We also sem to have a never ending run of injuries...............................can't all be down to bad luck
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on January 25, 2008, 12:34:22 AM
I may have may red and white spectacleson but if Mugsy has a fully fit Brian McGuigan providing him with kind of ball he can win then you have something you can build on. Mugsy may be chastised for his lack of consistency but when McGuigan got into full flight in '05 so did the flame haired one.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on January 25, 2008, 12:42:17 AM
With O'Neill's retirement now fact, one wonders what the status of his club mate Brian Dooher will be given the latter's regular struggle with injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: loughshore lad on January 25, 2008, 08:44:03 AM
It was well known within Tyrone footballing circles that S'ON told MH last October during one to one meeting that was being held between players and management that he was quitting Tyrone to concentrate on playing club football. Obviously MH hoped S'ON could be coaxed back but the lad had made his mind and seems set to stick to that. Its excellent news for Clann na Gael but a real hammer blow to Tyrone. Also makes me wonder if McGuigan will have the heart now to attempt a comeback for Tyrone?
I think its falrly clear there is a lot of discontent within the camp as regards to the bacroom staff, training methods and injury prevention/rehabilitation in particular. I know of one player who voiced concerns on the training side of things in these one to one interviews in October who was promptly told to just worry about playing and leave everything else to the management - why ask for feedback and then dismiis suggestions out of sight.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: feetofflames on January 25, 2008, 08:49:39 AM
A forward of O Neill and Canavans stature only comes along in a generation.  With O neill gone, Canavan gone and Tyrones next potential starlet Niall Mc Ginn wasting his energies at Dungannon Swifts in front of 200 people, it does indeed look like Tyrone are facing at least 5 years in the wilderness.  Very sad about Stevie but in your pomp you were class son,  You owe Tyrone nothing. 
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 25, 2008, 10:09:31 AM
I can't really accept all this talk about everybody feeling disgruntled - why would the county board have given MH and co,. a frther 3 year contract ?????

It's always easy to say after an event that everyone feels miffed - certainly there seems to have been some problem with SON and the set up - but I honestly don't think that everybody is disastisfied - if they are, we're seeing the break up of this great team.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on January 25, 2008, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: orangeman on January 25, 2008, 10:09:31 AM
I can't really accept all this talk about everybody feeling disgruntled - why would the county board have given MH and co,. a frther 3 year contract ?????

It's always easy to say after an event that everyone feels miffed - certainly there seems to have been some problem with SON and the set up - but I honestly don't think that everybody is disastisfied - if they are, we're seeing the break up of this great team.

I'd have thought the Co. Board can remove Harte at any point in the next 3 years if they feel so inclined. But I heard that in the meeting that Harte got the extension that there where reservations about a couple members of the backroom team and that a few fresh faces wouldn't have done any harm.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 25, 2008, 12:34:54 PM
It's as simple as this - the manager's job is Mickey's until he decides he doesn't want it anymore - that's his reward for winning two AI senior titles and countless underage gongs ! Never forget that.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Quarterback on January 25, 2008, 02:12:27 PM
I Think were at a stage were harte has to be questiones....the co board are afraid of the man....How would the co board feel about a tiff between steven o neill and harte....is losing oneill and keeping harte the best way forward for tyrone football??
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tieroan on January 25, 2008, 03:19:26 PM
A Carrickmore man was fit to confirm this news to e at Christmas and he explained why Stevie had had enough. He also told me that Conor Gormley was getting married next year and had no intention of playing county football after this year! These sort of things are never far from the truth.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Captain Black on January 25, 2008, 03:22:34 PM
yous tyrone boys r in bad nick now! i see the odds for derry liftin ulster are gettin shorter than your full back line!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 25, 2008, 03:23:17 PM
Why were none of these issues raised before ???
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: sam03/05 on January 25, 2008, 09:03:19 PM
this is mulligans final season as well - i think it is pretty much the end of the current tyrone team
new blood needs to be found.
2004 and 2006 were tyrones best chance of doing something special but injury crippled the team - and it is unlikely that it will ever reach the heights again.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 26, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
I dont know how much of this is true but what I would say is that we've heard this kind of thing before and it turned out to be nonsense. I remember before the 2005 championship people were saying the players had fallen out with Harte and didnt want to play for him and that Tally was the man who masterminded the 2003 success. Look what happened that summer, nobody could say those boys werent playing for the manager! As for Mulligan according to this board he retires every season ;D

If the team does start to break up then thats just life anyway, these lads have given a lot. They should have won more than 2 All-Irelands but for injuries and far more tragic circumstances but you could also argue that they did well even to get the 2 given what happened. And who knows they might not be finished just yet.....
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Son_of_Sam on January 26, 2008, 01:43:38 AM
There may be issues between Mickey & Stevie but is it not possible that O'Neill just wants to help his club achieve the highs he has achieved with Tyrone. 2 All-Irelands in the last 5 years is nothing to take lightly. Its hard to keep up the interest with two recent All-Irelands even for some of the Kerry lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Zapatista on January 26, 2008, 10:19:01 AM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 26, 2008, 12:45:29 AM
I dont know how much of this is true but what I would say is that we've heard this kind of thing before and it turned out to be nonsense. I remember before the 2005 championship people were saying the players had fallen out with Harte and didnt want to play for him and that Tally was the man who masterminded the 2003 success. Look what happened that summer, nobody could say those boys werent playing for the manager! As for Mulligan according to this board he retires every season ;D

If the team does start to break up then thats just life anyway, these lads have given a lot. They should have won more than 2 All-Irelands but for injuries and far more tragic circumstances but you could also argue that they did well even to get the 2 given what happened. And who knows they might not be finished just yet.....

Best post on the subject yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 26, 2008, 11:11:56 AM
Thats true abut 2005 - it was all doom in gloom at the start of that championship with talk of serious rows in the panel. If I remember correctly there wasnt much more talk of the rows after a certain fringe player opted out of the squad. January isnt a bad month to have all this negative talk, Id be more worried if it was the middle of the summer. If it is true about O'Neill and Harte falling out its a sad state of affairs that Tyrone are going to lose their biggest scoring threat and potentially destroy any chance of winning an all ireland due to a falling out between 2 supposedly reasonable men.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Zapatista on January 26, 2008, 11:21:15 AM
If he wants to walk then let him walk. Same goes for Harte and everyone else. We have been talking for months about how this is voluntary and anyone who doesn't want to do it can leave. Lets practice what we preach and let O'Neill do whatever he wants. If there is a problem then it should be addressed but all this "potentially destroy any chance of winning an all ireland" talk is BS as no one is irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Tyrone Dreamer on January 26, 2008, 11:45:30 AM
Have to disagree Zapatista.  Someone like Stephen O'Neill could be irreplaceable in the short term for Tyrone. On his day he is one of the very top forwards in Ireland and there isnt to many of them knocking about and certainly not in Tyrone at the minute. O'Neill has played little this last couple of years with injury and no one has stood up in the forward line and scored regularly from play. O'Neill on form regularly would score 1-3 plus from play and so far there is no signs of anyone else doing this. Few if any teams have ever one an all ireland without a real top class scoring forward. Some people might point to Mugsy but he just doesnt do it consistently enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Zapatista on January 26, 2008, 02:37:56 PM
I agree on how good he is.

Every club in the country can claim a great player who, for one reason or another doesn't play. That's not any reason to say the club will never win anything or every club would be saying it. Ye muscle on with the next best thing and try to win. If you don't win it's probably because you are not good enough to win and not because this great player isn't playing. Even if it is because of the missing player nobody can say that's why. When your beat your beat. Great players make a difference but if they are not playing then that's tough shit ye replace them and battle on without them. As RoI did without Keane.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: reddgnhand on January 27, 2008, 08:14:58 PM
MH by most of the posts is coming across as the bad guy. I think that is totally unfair on the man. On a more positive note Tyrone had a full training game and by all accounts the best man on display was from Ardboe.   
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyronefan on January 27, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
Tommy Mc Guigan may be the player we need to play in the forward line. Had a very good Mc Kenna cup
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 27, 2008, 09:30:00 PM
I heard Brian showed up very well in the training game - hope he can maintain this progress.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyronefan on January 27, 2008, 09:38:56 PM
heard he was holding nothing back, was jumping in to tackles. Sounds good for the furture
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 27, 2008, 10:01:46 PM
I'm not sure if he was jumping into tackles or not -  in fact I think he was not engaging in full physical contact. But it is encouraging !
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: snappiered on January 28, 2008, 09:50:53 AM
The new panel for 2008 held their first meeting yesterday evening. Think the only new faces are Snowy O Neill, Marty Swift and Cathal Mc Carron. There are 32 on the panel. Few of last years panel already not avaiable this year  + a few have also been dropped.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 28, 2008, 10:14:49 AM
Has anyone got the revised panel ? I honestly thought there'd have been a few more new faces than 3 -
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: goal and a point on January 28, 2008, 01:15:30 PM
suppose if there are only 3 new additions - there werent too many new people realistically getting a chance above last years panel of 37.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 28, 2008, 01:21:04 PM
Has anybody been dropped from last year's panel ?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: M.Schofield on January 28, 2008, 01:50:03 PM
This is the panel apparently

Pascal McConnel
John Devine
Johnny Curran
Dermot Carlin
Martin Swift
P.J Quinn
Ryan Mcmenamin
Philip Jordan
Michael Magee
Connor Gormely
Cathal Mccarron ( Dromore )
Damien Mccaul
David Harte
Ciaran gourley
Colin Holmes
Peter Donnelly
Sean Cavanagh
Joesph Mcmahon
Justin Mcmahon
Brian Mcguigan
Ryan mellon
Enda mcginley
Shaun o'neill
Owen mulligan
Martin penrose
Colm Cavanagh
Ciaran Donnelly
Thomas mcguigan
Niall Gormley
Brian Dooher
Colm Mccullagh
Raymond Mulgrew

Players Gone from last year

Stephen O'Neill
Gerard Cavlin
Colm Donnely
Aidan Mccarron
Cathal Mccarron
Paul Rouse
Brendan Boggs
Kelvin Hughes
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 28, 2008, 03:07:46 PM
Strong enough panel really - just a pity SON has opted out - from what we saw at the weekend in Mc Kenna cup final I think Tyrone have a big life.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: clarshack on January 28, 2008, 03:32:17 PM
is hub gone too?
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: M.Schofield on January 28, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
Apologies, Hub is still there but that makes 33. i was informed that there was 32 of a panel. Unless ive someone down twice but dont think so!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2008, 04:20:30 PM
Teamtalk just sent this out

2008 NFL Panel

Dermot Carlin
(Killyclogher)
Colm Cavanagh
(Moy)
Sean Cavanagh
(Moy)
Jonathan Curran
(Coalisland)
John Devine
(Errigal Ciaran)
Peter Donnelly
(Coalisland)
Brian Dooher
(Clann na nGael)
Conor Gormley
(Carrickmore)
Niall Gormley
(Trillick)
Ciaran Gourley
(Rock)
Davy Harte
(Errigal Ciaran)
Colin Holmes
(Armagh Harps)
Kevin Hughes
(Killeeshil)
Philip Jordan
(Moy)
Cathal McCarron
(Dromore)
Damian McCaul
(Donaghmore)
Pascal McConnell
(Newtownstewart)
Colm McCullagh
(Dromore)
Michael McGee
(Loughmacrory)
Enda McGinley
(Errigal Ciaran)
Brian McGuigan
(Ardboe)
Tommy McGuigan
(Ardboe)
Joe McMahon
(Omagh)
Justin McMahon
(Omagh)
Ryan McMenamin
(Dromore)
Ryan Mellon
(Moy)
Raymond Mulgrew
(Cookstown)
Owen Mulligan
(Cookstown)
Shaun O'Neill
(Dromore)
Martin Penrose
(Aghyaran)
P J Quinn
(Moortown)
Martin Swift
(Killyclogher)
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on January 28, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
And the blurb that accompanies that Teamtalk e-mail:

Three new faces in Tyrone panel

Tyrone boss Mickey Harte has included 21 All-Ireland medallists, and just three newcomers, in an experienced 32-man squad for the 2008 national football league, which will get underway on Saturday evening against Kildare in Healy Park.

Three of the nine new players who were called up in December for January's McKenna Cup campaign have earned their places in the manager's league panel, which officially came together for the first time on Sunday evening in Kelly's Inn.  Killyclogher defender Martin Swift and Dromore duo, Cathal McCarron and Shaun O'Neill, all of whom have claimed 'Teamtalk' Tyrone All-Star awards in the last couple of years, are the trio named who weren't part of last summer's championship squad, while Moortown's PJ Quinn is also listed as a national league panellist for the first time after receiving his county call-up during last summer's championship run.
Only five members of the new NFL panel have yet to make their league debuts for Tyrone. As well as the aforementioned quartet of Swift, McCarron, O'Neill and Quinn, Coalisland goalkeeper Johnny Curran is also awaiting his league introduction despite being part of the squad for the full duration of 2007.

Among the players who aren't in the manager's plans for the 2008 league programme are ten members of last year's provincial-winning squad, including recent McKenna Cup participants, Colm Donnelly, Kelvin Hughes, Aidan McCarron, Paul Rouse and Omagh's Cathal McCarron. UUJ student Brendan Boggs and Errigal Ciaran's Paul Quinn, who is still unavailable for action after sustaining a serious injury in the club championship last year, are also among the absentees, and the list of omissions notably includes three All-Ireland medallists, Cormac McGinley, Gerald Cavlan and the man who sensationally confirmed his retirement from inter-county football last Thursday, Stephen O'Neill. The latter trio have excluded themselves from the county scene in recent weeks, with Cavlan choosing not to attend the trials back in November and McGinley opting out of the panel just before the commencement of the 2008 McKenna Cup. While the 2005 footballer of the year, O'Neill, has made his retirement official, it seems likely that the other pair have also brought the curtain down on their inter-county careers.

Meanwhile, six players recently called up by the manager for the first time for the McKenna Cup have failed to make the cut. John Gilmore, Dominic Hands, Conall Martin, Kevin McNally, Fabian O'Neill and Gary Reilly all took part in Tyrone's January programme but didn't make it on to the next stage when the manager came around to reducing his numbers at the weekend. UUJ pair, Paul Marlow and Ciaran Donnelly, were also in the running for squad places but haven't made the final 32 for the league. Mickey Harte finalised his NFL squad after holding a final trial game last Wednesday night under floodlights in Cookstown and then staging a challenge game against the Tyrone under-21s in Trillick on Saturday, a match that was won comfortably by the seniors. The highlight of both sessions was the eye-catching performance of Brian McGuigan each time. The Ardboe star was in great form in both workouts and the news that he could be well on the road to making his Tyrone comeback should act as a massive boost for the county, and particularly for the Tyrone camp. The 2003 All-Star centre forward is expected to be named among the subs this weekend.

Looking ahead to the Kildare tie, which actually falls on the fifth anniversary of Mickey Harte's first NFL assignment as Tyrone boss (which ended in a one-point defeat to Roscommon back in 2003), Tyrone look set to be without Sean Cavanagh, Peter Donnelly, Mickey McGee, Joe McMahon, Justin McMahon and team captain Brian Dooher for the visit of Kieran McGeeney's side.

Tyrone's league panel, meanwhile, has representation from nineteen different clubs, with Dromore and Moy sharing the distinction of having the biggest quota of players in the county set-up. County champions Dromore have doubled their representation from two to four following the inclusion of Cathal McCarron and Shaun O'Neill alongside established county men, Ryan McMenamin and Colm McCullagh. Errigal Ciaran have three players on board, while Ardboe, Omagh, Coalisland, Cookstown and Killyclogher have two apiece. There are three sets of brothers on the list of panellists - the Cavanaghs, McGuigans and McMahons.

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Personally, I'd be happy enough with the panel, all things considered.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 28, 2008, 06:47:16 PM
I wouldve liked to see Aidan McCarron in there and given a couple of games to prove himself - we need scoring forwards now more than ever with SON going and McCarron might have had something to offer there -  but otherwise its a strong enough looking panel. Again nobody wants to rush Brian McGuigan back.....but that news about him does sound quite encouraging :).
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Puckoon on January 28, 2008, 07:10:46 PM
I agree, Aiden is a direct running scoring threat. Where is this going to come from in this panel? Plenty of nice ball players, but no real scoring machine.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: clarshack on January 28, 2008, 07:33:41 PM
was never a fan of aidan mcarron but lately he had started to win me over so i am surprised as well that he didnt make the cut.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 28, 2008, 07:54:59 PM
But who do you put him in ahead of ???
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyrone86 on January 28, 2008, 09:05:24 PM
You could make an argument for any of the lads that have been left out but when you're only going with 32 that's as strong a panel as is available at the moment. Aidan McCarron is possibly a bit hard done by but we're well stocked in the half forward line and I think that's why he lost out. I don't think the lack of a marquee forward will do us any damage in the short term - now there's no O'Neill to fall back on the entire forward unit will have to take more responsibility individually, and any passengers will be found out that bit quicker.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: ONeill on January 28, 2008, 09:30:03 PM
Some players will be mightily disappointed but as some said, who do you leave out?

UUJ men Boggs and Donnelly were as good as any Tyrone player when they met.

Conall Martin, Kevin McNally and Fabian O'Neill will also think they've blown it.

One other disappointment will be how one person I know found out about it - through the media. Not good enough Mickey.

(on second thoughts - it's probably easier to phone those who made it and made sure the panel knew that beforehand)
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneman on January 29, 2008, 12:26:19 AM
Can someone please tell me what has Peter Donnelly EVER done in a senior county strip that warrants his inclusion in this years panel.

Time and time again he gets chances others would give thier right arm for, time and time again he fails to do ANYTHING useful.

Whether it be running through treacle, misplacing passess, watching the opposition amble by or kicking the ball backwards over his own head he has been 100% awful.

young lads like McCarron, Donnelly etc must be despairing..............
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 29, 2008, 10:02:57 AM
I saw Donnelly in the semi final against Donaghmore and almost singlehandedly beat Donaghmore.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: nrico2006 on January 29, 2008, 10:15:27 AM
QuoteWhether it be running through treacle, misplacing passess, watching the opposition amble by or kicking the ball backwards over his own head he has been 100% awful.

True!!  I will never forget the kick!
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: tyroneman on January 29, 2008, 01:34:58 PM
QuoteI saw Donnelly in the semi final against Donaghmore and almost singlehandedly beat Donaghmore

Well if Tyrone Seniors ever play Donaghmore I know who'lll be first on the teamsheet.

In the meantime however......................................
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: rrhf on January 29, 2008, 03:34:10 PM
Well if Tyrone Seniors ever play Donaghmore I know who'lll be first on the teamsheet.
::)probably Ryan Mellon. ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 29, 2008, 03:56:33 PM
 ;D :D
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 29, 2008, 04:03:37 PM
Id imagine this season is probably Donnelly's last chance with Tyrone, he has had plenty of opportunities and is still to convince and surely unless he makes real progress over the next few months he will drift out of the county setup. How old is Paul Marlow now? He seemed to be a real prospect a few years ago but hasnt kicked on (I know he has had bad luck with injuries) as expected.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on January 29, 2008, 05:37:28 PM
Marlowe was a huge prospect but injury seems to have blighted his career.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: DirtyDozen12 on January 30, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
I heard that Enda Clarke from Greencastle was given a trail game with Tyrone a week or 2 ago?  Anyone confirm this?  Big man, good ball player, could be an option maybe.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: ziggysego on January 30, 2008, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on January 30, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
I heard that Enda Clarke from Greencastle was given a trail game with Tyrone a week or 2 ago?  Anyone confirm this?  Big man, good ball player, could be an option maybe.

First I've heard. I'll look into it.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: M.Schofield on January 30, 2008, 02:43:57 PM

Enda Clarke did play in the match last wednesday night in Cookstown between the Tyrone trial. By all accounts he was fairly quiet until having to retire injured in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
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Title: Re: Tyrone 2008
Post by: orangeman on March 18, 2008, 10:35:44 PM

Errigal Ciaran would be good for a few tickets at the minute !  ;)