Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

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Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I can't believe people are still crying about the size and location of the stadium when built. This money is for a stadium and not developing players. Get over it ffs.

No. Thats not correct either.

If the GAA pulls their money out, then the govt funding drops, but doesn't go away entirely.

So use that remaining govt funding to develop a ground sized for the task.... and use the saved GAA monies to direct toward development of the game in Belfast.
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Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I can't believe people are still crying about the size and location of the stadium when built. This money is for a stadium and not developing players. Get over it ffs.
Thats not correct. If the GAA took the £15m away, Stormont would have still ponied up enough for a significant upgrade of Casement or a greenfield 20k stadium further out of town. So you have a decent, fit for purpose venue and cash for development.

Instead the GAA had to play oneupmanship and shoehorn in Belfast's biggest venue onto a site that it couldn't fit and lied to try.  This is all about having a shinier venue than soccer and nothing to do with what Ulster or Antrim actually need.

bannside

A special case should 100% be made for Antrim on the grounds that it contains Irelands second largest city and by far the biggest population of potential Gaa players in the province ....ie that's where the expedential growth lies. The Gaa did it for Dublin (fair play they presented a professional case for sustainability and partnership with clubs/schools etc) but look at those dividends. Almost too good that its killed off most of the opposition.

Trailer Antrim has got a lot of its act together and it's taken a lot of work for these new structures to be put in place. The county board in situ are making great strides on and off the field. In contrast your condescending attitude stinks of new money....when you have the medals that Antrim have across the broad spectrum of Gaa games, please let us all know. All Ireland club winners in both codes, how does your club set up compare with that??? Answer please on the back of a stamp.

Main Street

Quote from: Mourne Rover on February 19, 2020, 12:28:41 PM
There were suggestions that the county board had the choice between spending a relatively modest amount of money, which would have kept the ground in use at least in the short term, or spending nothing, on the basis that the full rebuild might hopefully follow before too long. If they had gone for the first option, the brilliant pitch, the changing rooms and the terraces would still have been available even if the entire stand was temporarily closed. This would have allowed club games and probably county fixtures to be staged there without interruption.

Main Street's suggestion that Windsor Park is mostly empty, other than for three or four internationals per year, is a little unusual. Linfield play more than 20 times per season there in front of an average crowd of a few thousand, and it is well filled for various cup finals and semi finals as well. Women's teams and underage matches also take place there, albeit in front of limited attendances, while Carl Frampton packed it out in 2018 and is supposed to be returning in the summer.  There would also have been plenty of games to keep Casement Park in business if the shutters had not been pulled down.
Note that last years Windor Park cup final attendance was less than 6,000, previous year was <12,000.
My point was that the new Casement would not have to try very hard to beat the attendance figures that Windsor Park manages to get.
And I guess  most people can accept that Belfast needs a Windsor Park or at least does not begrudge it existing.



armaghniac

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I can't believe people are still crying about the size and location of the stadium when built. This money is for a stadium and not developing players. Get over it ffs.
Thats not correct. If the GAA took the £15m away, Stormont would have still ponied up enough for a significant upgrade of Casement or a greenfield 20k stadium further out of town. So you have a decent, fit for purpose venue and cash for development.

Instead the GAA had to play oneupmanship and shoehorn in Belfast's biggest venue onto a site that it couldn't fit and lied to try.  This is all about having a shinier venue than soccer and nothing to do with what Ulster or Antrim actually need.

The GAA wanted a stadium that added something to the other Ulster stadia rather than being for Antrim alone, one of the counties with the least support. The revised plan is a for stadium whose capacity is little more than the previous one.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I can't believe people are still crying about the size and location of the stadium when built. This money is for a stadium and not developing players. Get over it ffs.
Thats not correct. If the GAA took the £15m away, Stormont would have still ponied up enough for a significant upgrade of Casement or a greenfield 20k stadium further out of town. So you have a decent, fit for purpose venue and cash for development.

Instead the GAA had to play oneupmanship and shoehorn in Belfast's biggest venue onto a site that it couldn't fit and lied to try.  This is all about having a shinier venue than soccer and nothing to do with what Ulster or Antrim actually need.

The GAA wanted a stadium that added something to the other Ulster stadia rather than being for Antrim alone, one of the counties with the least support. The revised plan is a for stadium whose capacity is little more than the previous one.

So they shouldn't have gone with Casement then.

armaghniac

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I can't believe people are still crying about the size and location of the stadium when built. This money is for a stadium and not developing players. Get over it ffs.
Thats not correct. If the GAA took the £15m away, Stormont would have still ponied up enough for a significant upgrade of Casement or a greenfield 20k stadium further out of town. So you have a decent, fit for purpose venue and cash for development.

Instead the GAA had to play oneupmanship and shoehorn in Belfast's biggest venue onto a site that it couldn't fit and lied to try.  This is all about having a shinier venue than soccer and nothing to do with what Ulster or Antrim actually need.

The GAA wanted a stadium that added something to the other Ulster stadia rather than being for Antrim alone, one of the counties with the least support. The revised plan is a for stadium whose capacity is little more than the previous one.

So they shouldn't have gone with Casement then.

It is in the biggest centre of population and it has a railway and motorway nearby. Where would you put it?
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Baile Brigín 2

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Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 09:08:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I can't believe people are still crying about the size and location of the stadium when built. This money is for a stadium and not developing players. Get over it ffs.
Thats not correct. If the GAA took the £15m away, Stormont would have still ponied up enough for a significant upgrade of Casement or a greenfield 20k stadium further out of town. So you have a decent, fit for purpose venue and cash for development.

Instead the GAA had to play oneupmanship and shoehorn in Belfast's biggest venue onto a site that it couldn't fit and lied to try.  This is all about having a shinier venue than soccer and nothing to do with what Ulster or Antrim actually need.

The GAA wanted a stadium that added something to the other Ulster stadia rather than being for Antrim alone, one of the counties with the least support. The revised plan is a for stadium whose capacity is little more than the previous one.

So they shouldn't have gone with Casement then.

It is in the biggest centre of population and it has a railway and motorway nearby. Where would you put it?
....somewhere else near Belfast...

You are falling for the spin. Casement or nothing were the only options.

Even then, with VAT on tickets in the 6, you would need to get 43,200 punters at any the Ulster final in the 6 to match the gate. So even the too big Casement was too small.


trailer

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 09:08:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on February 19, 2020, 07:25:23 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2020, 06:07:00 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on February 19, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
I can't believe people are still crying about the size and location of the stadium when built. This money is for a stadium and not developing players. Get over it ffs.
Thats not correct. If the GAA took the £15m away, Stormont would have still ponied up enough for a significant upgrade of Casement or a greenfield 20k stadium further out of town. So you have a decent, fit for purpose venue and cash for development.

Instead the GAA had to play oneupmanship and shoehorn in Belfast's biggest venue onto a site that it couldn't fit and lied to try.  This is all about having a shinier venue than soccer and nothing to do with what Ulster or Antrim actually need.

The GAA wanted a stadium that added something to the other Ulster stadia rather than being for Antrim alone, one of the counties with the least support. The revised plan is a for stadium whose capacity is little more than the previous one.

So they shouldn't have gone with Casement then.

It is in the biggest centre of population and it has a railway and motorway nearby. Where would you put it?
....somewhere else near Belfast...

You are falling for the spin. Casement or nothing were the only options.

Even then, with VAT on tickets in the 6, you would need to get 43,200 punters at any the Ulster final in the 6 to match the gate. So even the too big Casement was too small.

Why? THE f**k! Do you keep going on about VAT?

Baile Brigín 2

Its the first time I have mentioned it.

Its the reason UF are held in Clones and why Clones exists as it does.

trailer

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Its the first time I have mentioned it.

Its the reason UF are held in Clones and why Clones exists as it does.

No. And No.


Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: trailer on February 20, 2020, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Its the first time I have mentioned it.

Its the reason UF are held in Clones and why Clones exists as it does.

No. And No.

Yes and whats your theory of how a town of 1,600 right on the border, thats the 4th biggest in the county ended up with a 36,000 ground?

johnnycool

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 20, 2020, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Its the first time I have mentioned it.

Its the reason UF are held in Clones and why Clones exists as it does.

No. And No.

Yes and whats your theory of how a town of 1,600 right on the border, thats the 4th biggest in the county ended up with a 36,000 ground?

You'd have to take a look at the make up of the Ulster Council at the time Clones was invested in and therein lies the truth.


Evil Genius

Quote from: Main Street on February 19, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
Note that last years Windor Park cup final attendance was less than 6,000, previous year was <12,000.
My point was that the new Casement would not have to try very hard to beat the attendance figures that Windsor Park manages to get.
And I guess  most people can accept that Belfast needs a Windsor Park or at least does not begrudge it existing.
The point about Windsor was that it was no longer fit to stage international football matches according to UEFA/FIFA rules.

Meaning we HAD to have a new stadium, whether full or empty, for one game a season or ten, with a rebuilt Windsor being "the only show in town".

As things turned out, imo they should have gone for a larger stadium (25-30k?), since it now pretty much sells out all our 6 or 8 internationals a season, but that's by the by. Point is, they needed a modern stadium and they built it, pretty much within budget and on time.

And at the same time Linfield, who still own the Freehold though not the stadium, can continue to use the stadium for their own games whilst receiving rent to compensate them for the fact that it's much too big for their personal needs.

I don't see why the Ulster Council and Antrim couldn't have reached a similar arrangement to the IFA and Linfield, esp since Antrim surely can't be as greedy a shower of hooers as those Linfield bastards  ;)
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BennyCake

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: trailer on February 20, 2020, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Its the first time I have mentioned it.

Its the reason UF are held in Clones and why Clones exists as it does.

No. And No.

Yes and whats your theory of how a town of 1,600 right on the border, thats the 4th biggest in the county ended up with a 36,000 ground?

Clones obviously got big games as it had a railway station and a lot of fans travelled to games by train, up until the late 1950's.

Casement held some up until the early years of the troubles, as car travel/roads improved. Presumably because of the troubles, Ulster finals were moved back to Clones.