Antrim Football Thread

[InnocentByStander]

Tomas' red simply wasn't a red, ref had no view of it for a start the linesman give it, Tomas movement with his arm is a natural movement with you shoulder, this talk about the elbow to the head is just false his arm moves in a natural position when taking a hit. If it is any other player on the pitch its not a red the fact McGuckian is 5 ft nothing it makes it look worse. He runs directly at tomas what else is he supposed to do get out of the road? The main reason he got sent off is where it happened on the pitch right infront of the glen supporters who all went mad. Another Point if connor Glass makes this tackle nothing would be given. Clearest decision of the day is Glass' deliberate drag down stopping a counter attack but nothing was given because it is connor glass. Besides the awful red card decision. John Carron's yellow card and the 13 yard free given against Justin Crozier was a clear indication early in the game Glen were going to get all the decisions in their favour. Strange the one people who seen it as a clear red are glen supporters or Derry people from other clubs who bum up glen which i find strange. I would be happy to see someone else from Antrim do well but not if their support is as arrogant, ignorant and fouled mouthed as that glen support. I attend alot of Derry games and have always said it their support is rotten.

Just very dishearten as Cargin supporter the performance we put in with 14 what maybe could have been with 15 on the pitch. But that's football onto next year.

[Hectic]

Cargin are at this level, of that there is no doubt.

They have got beaten by a very good team past couple of years and things certainly didn't work in their favour yesterday- rightly or wrongly.

I don't see any imminent challenge for them in Antrim which means they continue to experience Ulster and the experience of being there many years just further plants them in that mix.

Hopefully see them break serious ground very soon - they really are not far away from it.

[NAG1]

Cargin are at this level, of that there is no doubt.

They have got beaten by a very good team past couple of years and things certainly didn't work in their favour yesterday- rightly or wrongly.

I don't see any imminent challenge for them in Antrim which means they continue to experience Ulster and the experience of being there many years just further plants them in that mix.

Hopefully see them break serious ground very soon - they really are not far away from it.

What is their age profile?

[toby47]

Cargin are at this level, of that there is no doubt.

They have got beaten by a very good team past couple of years and things certainly didn't work in their favour yesterday- rightly or wrongly.

I don't see any imminent challenge for them in Antrim which means they continue to experience Ulster and the experience of being there many years just further plants them in that mix.

Hopefully see them break serious ground very soon - they really are not far away from it.

They need to start winning games. They have won 7 of the last 9 Antrim championships, but only won 1 game in Ulster. That's not a dig either, just with Kobo, Crozier, Laverty, Tomas, mick, Paul, Gerard McCann all ageing, Cargin won't be getting any closer year on year.

[AntrimRealist]

The challenge leaves the ref to make a decision, unfortunately for Tomas he viewed it differently to most..

Like it's not even full contact, no intent either, borderline yellow, but you'd give a yellow for the optics

It's impossible to say 15 on 15 whether Glen would still win, it just means a difficult game becomes harder to win.

Does intent come into the referee's assessment of the seriousness of the offence.  The lifting of the elbow doesn't look good - I'm just wondering if the fact that it didn't make contact with the player make any difference?

[Hectic]

Yes, the age profile is high but they also have some fantastic youth.

But the youth are also experiencing championship wins and continually playing Ulster.

And yes they have had a lot of goes without making headway and maybe the aforementioned ageing (combined with much experience) might mean they are at their peak right now and this is as good as it gets.

But hopefully not.

[Milltown Row2]

The challenge leaves the ref to make a decision, unfortunately for Tomas he viewed it differently to most..

Like it's not even full contact, no intent either, borderline yellow, but you'd give a yellow for the optics

It's impossible to say 15 on 15 whether Glen would still win, it just means a difficult game becomes harder to win.

Does intent come into the referee's assessment of the seriousness of the offence.  The lifting of the elbow doesn't look good - I'm just wondering if the fact that it didn't make contact with the player make any difference?

For me, and not taking in the actual rule being head contact with fist elbow arm is a red card offence, the intent means he's done it deliberately, if it's because a player slipped and the collision was accidental or unintentional like this one seemed to be, then it's not a red, for me, for optics, as I said I'd give a yellow, explain why to both players and move on

[Dunsilly King]

Looking this in slow motion there is no head contact

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/67399351

[InnocentByStander]

Cargin are at this level, of that there is no doubt.

They have got beaten by a very good team past couple of years and things certainly didn't work in their favour yesterday- rightly or wrongly.

I don't see any imminent challenge for them in Antrim which means they continue to experience Ulster and the experience of being there many years just further plants them in that mix.

Hopefully see them break serious ground very soon - they really are not far away from it.

They need to start winning games. They have won 7 of the last 9 Antrim championships, but only won 1 game in Ulster. That's not a dig either, just with Kobo, Crozier, Laverty, Tomas, mick, Paul, Gerard McCann all ageing, Cargin won't be getting any closer year on year.

Cargin's record isn't great in Ulster but outside of 2016 and 2019, we have been knocked out by the eventual winners and will likely be the same case this year.

[Milltown Row2]

Tomas' red simply wasn't a red, ref had no view of it for a start the linesman give it, Tomas movement with his arm is a natural movement with you shoulder, this talk about the elbow to the head is just false his arm moves in a natural position when taking a hit. If it is any other player on the pitch its not a red the fact McGuckian is 5 ft nothing it makes it look worse. He runs directly at tomas what else is he supposed to do get out of the road? The main reason he got sent off is where it happened on the pitch right infront of the glen supporters who all went mad. Another Point if connor Glass makes this tackle nothing would be given. Clearest decision of the day is Glass' deliberate drag down stopping a counter attack but nothing was given because it is connor glass. Besides the awful red card decision. John Carron's yellow card and the 13 yard free given against Justin Crozier was a clear indication early in the game Glen were going to get all the decisions in their favour. Strange the one people who seen it as a clear red are glen supporters or Derry people from other clubs who bum up glen which i find strange. I would be happy to see someone else from Antrim do well but not if their support is as arrogant, ignorant and fouled mouthed as that glen support. I attend alot of Derry games and have always said it their support is rotten.

Just very dishearten as Cargin supporter the performance we put in with 14 what maybe could have been with 15 on the pitch. But that's football onto next year.

You must not be at any of the games I do    Baldy wee cnut seems to be the staple language 

[Spike]

Apart from the Covid year where they couldn't compete they have generally pulled the winner of ulster out of the bag unfortunately.  Of all of them i would say Derrygonnelly was the one they'd be disappointed with but were patched up with a lot of injuries. Possibly Killyclogher. Gweedore, Crossmaglen and Glen all eventual winners.  Cargin have the measure of Glen. 

Still think the club scene in Antrim isn't far away.  aside from Cargin's obvious anger, it goes to show that Antrim club football is in the same company as the best in ulster.     

[InnocentByStander]

Tomas' red simply wasn't a red, ref had no view of it for a start the linesman give it, Tomas movement with his arm is a natural movement with you shoulder, this talk about the elbow to the head is just false his arm moves in a natural position when taking a hit. If it is any other player on the pitch its not a red the fact McGuckian is 5 ft nothing it makes it look worse. He runs directly at tomas what else is he supposed to do get out of the road? The main reason he got sent off is where it happened on the pitch right infront of the glen supporters who all went mad. Another Point if connor Glass makes this tackle nothing would be given. Clearest decision of the day is Glass' deliberate drag down stopping a counter attack but nothing was given because it is connor glass. Besides the awful red card decision. John Carron's yellow card and the 13 yard free given against Justin Crozier was a clear indication early in the game Glen were going to get all the decisions in their favour. Strange the one people who seen it as a clear red are glen supporters or Derry people from other clubs who bum up glen which i find strange. I would be happy to see someone else from Antrim do well but not if their support is as arrogant, ignorant and fouled mouthed as that glen support. I attend alot of Derry games and have always said it their support is rotten.

Just very dishearten as Cargin supporter the performance we put in with 14 what maybe could have been with 15 on the pitch. But that's football onto next year.

You must not be at any of the games I do    Baldy wee cnut seems to be the staple language 

Come on MR2 I would not shout such a thing    

[BelSaft]

Will Cargin lose any of that squad after yesterdays defeat? Take Close out of it and all their substitutions were young lads. Bodes well for them going forward. Plenty of competition in Antrim but hard to see anyone knock them off their perch.

Heard yesterday Karl McCabe staying with St Endas.

[Milltown Row2]

When did Killyclogher win?

What I do notice in Ulster or further on, is the refereeing is totally different to what you are used too (good or bad)

Good prep would be to have games ref'd by the Ulster/national referee's in challenge games leading up to an Ulster run, Cargin have to gamble in that regard and should always be preparing for Ulster, rather than just winning Antrim, that may come across as being arrogant, but the reality is, at the minute, there isn't much to beat in Antrim.

Intercounty referee's are constantly being assessed, those assessments determine whether he gets another game, yellow cards that you wouldn't get in league games with 'normal' ref's will happen in the Ulster games.. 

[InnocentByStander]

When did Killyclogher win?

What I do notice in Ulster or further on, is the refereeing is totally different to what you are used too (good or bad)

Good prep would be to have games ref'd by the Ulster/national referee's in challenge games leading up to an Ulster run, Cargin have to gamble in that regard and should always be preparing for Ulster, rather than just winning Antrim, that may come across as being arrogant, but the reality is, at the minute, there isn't much to beat in Antrim.

Intercounty referee's are constantly being assessed, those assessments determine whether he gets another game, yellow cards that you wouldn't get in league games with 'normal' ref's will happen in the Ulster games.. 

They didnt, slaughtneil beat them in 2016.