Tyrone County Football and Hurling

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Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.

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Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Coney withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Im sure he's played most of the games for them as he's available for starred games now, well I know Id rather a team of Peter Canavans in my team than a team of 6ft dung bags..
You reckon Canavan would make it now on the Tyrone team, seeing as he's under 6ft you'd have your doubts??

I think Canavan would operate out around the 45 yard line in today's game and he was a special once in a generation talent.

The game has changed, there are barely a handful of small, slight corner forwards playing the game anymore and you need to be a very special player to do so or have pace to burn or real power.

Name me some small forwards that are pivotal to a top team right now? There were none starting for any of the other 3 semi finalists.

Niall Scully and Brian Howard both under 6ft...

Howard is an absolute beast of a man. Scully looks bigger as well but none of them play on the inside.

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Rumours now going around that four players have opted out of the panel for the foreseeable. How you opt out in off season I'm not sure what the process is.

Heard N Sludden, K Coney, C McCann and C.Grugan had notified management of their intention to sit out the 2020 season........










I don't think C McCann is county standard and he'd be one of the lads I think we should be cutting for next year.

Think it would be hasty for Grugan to quit, he seemed to suffer a few injuries that held him back this year. Coney won't really offer much from the start but could be a decent option off the bench. Again I think it would be hasty but he doesn't really have the legs.

Sludden would be a loss but I think he struggled this year and seemed to be a bit lost as we began to move the ball more direct.

And this is the usual silly season. I doubt those lads are deciding whether they will play next year a week after the season has ended.

I'd say Colm Cavanagh will call it a day also. But sure all these players are no good and Harte is developing loads of future stars just like he's always done so we're grand. Please give Hitler Harte 3 more years.

I think we're lacking the players for an All Ireland but then again so are every county excluding Dublin.

Coney is the oldest player on the panel after Cavanagh and McCrory, he came back this year with a new attitude, I'd hate to see him pack it in after that year. He has something to offer but it will depend on how determined he is, likewise Grugan.

Guys like McClure, C McCann, Loughran, McCrory, B Burns, McHugh and McNabb have probably all seen their time now that they haven't made a sufficient impression for Tyrone, decent players but they're behind in pecking order now and are all past or in their mid 20s or beyond so I can't see them breaking the starting 15 or first 4 or 5 subs.

I wouldn't be calling Brennan back in this year, we have McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley probably to come back in and I don't think you can have more than 1 of those lads starting as they are all too small, I don't think Brennan gives you more than them at county level.. If you look at the starting Dublin, Kerry and Mayo forward lines from the semi finals - none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved.

I was very disappointed with Brennan this year walking out mid season, these guys have their own lives and of course if you're not getting minutes it's frustrating but it was not unforeseeable for Brennan to make his way into the reckoning but you know the drill at the start of the season, it's a team effort and when you go midway like that then you're letting your team mates down and the management team. I can accept Ronan O'Neill going, I think he gave it his best shot but he saw the writing on the wall and knew that he doesn't have what it takes. He's been on the panel about 8 years now but seems like he was getting further away.

I'd like to see 11 or 12 new faces get a go for the McKenna Cup next year, see if they can bring anything different to the table. I think young Canavan and Murnaghan should go to the U20s again next year, maybe give them some minutes in the league but I don't think they're ready to make an impact at senior level.

Your talking about Brennan walking away yet you name 3 players - McCurry, McAliskey and Bradley, 1 of which who walked away last year and 1 whos walked away this year? Did you accept Stevie O'Neil walking away the year he came back and we brought him on in the ALl Ireland Final?

Also you stated that "none of them had a forward under 6ft starting - that's just the way the game has evolved" - Maybe they just are not good enuf, the best player on the field against Tyrone - Stephen O'Brien - isn't over 6ft tall

There's a huge difference between stepping away before the new season starts and right in the middle of the Championship season. I would have felt similar with McCurry last year but at the very least he did it before we entered Championship. Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit.

Stephen O'Neill was prompted by injury problems, Lee Brennan was prompted by not wanting to fight for his place.

Stephen O'Brien is 6ft.

Bradley also had his reasons as he wasn't around to commit  :D :D :D Yes the smell of the Dollar!! Same as McCurry last year!!

Look Ive no problem with players leaving, they arent contracted to stay, you just sound like someone who got gripes on Brennan as you've an excuse for every other player, you'd obv like to chase Grugan and Coney and Mattie D aswel as they've previously walked away from the panel..

Also whats you take on Darragh Canavan then -  too small?? I guess time will tell but he'd be a man I think id be building my team around in a few years time

In case you didn't know, Bradley was studying in Liverpool this year and opted out as a result.

Players should make that decision at the start of the year, you're there for the year otherwise, not storming out in a strop because you don't want to fight for your place. How many league games did Brennan play for Trillick after leaving the panel?

You're not listening, I've no issue with a player opting off a panel but it should before the season starts. Donnelly and Coney withdrew themselves for selection at the start of the year, that is no problem and similar to Mark Bradley this year. It allows the manager to look at other players and allows other players to make an impression through the league. Coney threw a strop after being subbed in the McKenna Cup game, I'm not sure did he withdraw himself after or did Harte drop him but Coney has accepted recently that his attitude was all wrong first time around.

It's not a difficult differentiation to make, but you seem to be making a pigs ear of understanding it. Would you rather a builder tells you he is not able to do a job than starting it off then jacking it halfway, leaving you high and dry?

I wouldn't have Brennan back next year on those grounds, I don't think he offers us much more than McAliskey, McCurry and Bradley. We won't be fielding a forward line with all those small forwards playing, we already have the likes of Harte and Sludden who are under 6ft in that forward line so at most it's going to be one of the above 3 and that's really all we will be putting in it unless Sludden or Harte miss out.

As for Canavan, I think he should stick to u20s next year, I don't think he's physically ready yet. When he does come into the senior setup I see him playing out deeper.

Im sure he's played most of the games for them as he's available for starred games now, well I know Id rather a team of Peter Canavans in my team than a team of 6ft dung bags..
You reckon Canavan would make it now on the Tyrone team, seeing as he's under 6ft you'd have your doubts??

I think Canavan would operate out around the 45 yard line in today's game and he was a special once in a generation talent.

The game has changed, there are barely a handful of small, slight corner forwards playing the game anymore and you need to be a very special player to do so or have pace to burn or real power.

Name me some small forwards that are pivotal to a top team right now? There were none starting for any of the other 3 semi finalists.

Niall Scully and Brian Howard both under 6ft...

Howard is an absolute beast of a man. Scully looks bigger as well but none of them play on the inside.

Yes I know they are but under 6ft..

Angelo

By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.
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Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.

Kinda, partly as they were kicked the ball.

There was nothing worse looking the year before than Mark Bradley 1 on 1 and about 60 metres of space and an absolute refusal to kick the man an early ball instead the old obsession with running the ball and letting him then get swallowed up.

Angelo

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Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.

Kinda, partly as they were kicked the ball.

There was nothing worse looking the year before than Mark Bradley 1 on 1 and about 60 metres of space and an absolute refusal to kick the man an early ball instead the old obsession with running the ball and letting him then get swallowed up.

McShane and Donnelly can win any type of ball. Bradley can't. The best season Bradley had for Tyrone was 2015 when he was operating as a schemer out around the half forward line. He's too small to play inside, sadly.
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Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on August 21, 2019, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
By an inch but Howard is so naturally strong a player and a fantastic athlete and fielder.

But I'm mainly talking about the inside forwards who have to win the ball. Our inside line has looked much better this year when Donnelly and McShane were inside that when we've had the small lads in there.

Kinda, partly as they were kicked the ball.

There was nothing worse looking the year before than Mark Bradley 1 on 1 and about 60 metres of space and an absolute refusal to kick the man an early ball instead the old obsession with running the ball and letting him then get swallowed up.

McShane and Donnelly can win any type of ball. Bradley can't. The best season Bradley had for Tyrone was 2015 when he was operating as a schemer out around the half forward line. He's too small to play inside, sadly.

Always thought the best combination Tyrone could have upfront is mcshane along with either lee brennan or mark bradley. Mcshane has the strength to win his own ball and bradley especially has the pace and skill to beat his opponent to the ball. If brennan, bradley or mccurry had been upfront with mcshane in the Kerry game they would have streched that defensive even further and game would been over at half time.

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Quote from: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.

Well he won an Intermediate Championship when he was playing for Eskra.
By all accounts he has played well for Ballymacnab but was nowhere near county standard 5 years ago never mind now.

Under Lights

Quote from: inroundthesquare on August 21, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.

Well he won an Intermediate Championship when he was playing for Eskra.
By all accounts he has played well for Ballymacnab but was nowhere near county standard 5 years ago never mind now.

I dunno, he still looked pretty athletic last year when he hopped the wire to box the head off some Beragh player  :-X

BG_Gael

Quote from: inroundthesquare on August 21, 2019, 08:50:01 PM
Quote from: Under Lights on August 21, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:33:08 AM
Has yr man Meegan, who playes for Ballymacnab in Armagh ever come into consideration? Friends down that way tell me he's a very decent midfielder.

I beleive he transferred form Eskra, but is certainly at the top table in term of Armagh club football

He's in his 30s now. Unfortunately for him when in Tyrone he was playing for Eskra.

Well he won an Intermediate Championship when he was playing for Eskra.
By all accounts he has played well for Ballymacnab but was nowhere near county standard 5 years ago never mind now.

Pretty sure he wasn't even making the team for Eskra that year they won Intermediate, or even the year later either for that matter when they were in Senior, hardly County standard

skeog

Peter Donnelly now linking up with Monaghan if Banty gets the gig.Seems strange that he couldnt have stayed part time in tyrone.

the goal was on

Hi could have stayed but chose not to. Money talks

Localexpert

Quote from: the goal was on on August 23, 2019, 02:47:24 PM
Hi could have stayed but chose not to. Money talks

Would you turn down a job that moves you further on in your career and pays you more money?