Money, Dublin and the GAA

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Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 01, 2019, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 01, 2019, 07:39:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 17, 2019, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.

It's a disgrace really that Dublin with all their money, don't have a decent capacity home venue!
which they would have if the GAA didnt encourage them into croker...
Ye are like the Brexiteers
ill bite. How so?

From the Bunker

Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!

Hound

Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

True, but you have to admit Dublin owns the GAA. You have counties like Donegal having to be clever with wording in order to stop Dublin's double home advantage in the super 8's.

I do hope ye win the 5 in a row this year and keep going until the game is in such a mess that something has to be done. Dublin losing by some fluke this year would create a mirage that nothing is wrong with the Association.


Main Street

Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Sometimes fair play has to take precedence over €€€€s.
While the Dubs play their home game in Parnell Park (with 50% ticket allocation reserved for visiting supporters) rent Croke Park out for a pre season soccer game between 2 epl teams (reserves will do) to recoup any lost revenues.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Main Street on February 03, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Sometimes fair play has to take precedence over €€€€s.
While the Dubs play their home game in Parnell Park (with 50% ticket allocation reserved for visiting supporters) rent Croke Park out for a pre season soccer game between 2 epl teams (reserves will do) to recoup any lost revenues.

Big crowd of 14,502. The Dubs were out in numbers last night! Big travelling support from Galway as well.

Division One football is where it is at. And the numbers prove it!

To big a crowd for Parnell Park.  ;)

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: From the Bunker on February 03, 2019, 01:01:56 PM
Quote from: Main Street on February 03, 2019, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 17, 2019, 02:01:21 PM
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on January 17, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
I would love Dublin to say fine - we'll play in Parnell Park, there won't be tickets for opposition fans and there will be 1-1.5m less in funds to share amongst other counties and we will still win.
Sometimes fair play has to take precedence over €€€€s.
While the Dubs play their home game in Parnell Park (with 50% ticket allocation reserved for visiting supporters) rent Croke Park out for a pre season soccer game between 2 epl teams (reserves will do) to recoup any lost revenues.

Big crowd of 14,502. The Dubs were out in numbers last night! Big travelling support from Galway as well.

Division One football is where it is at. And the numbers prove it!

To big a crowd for Parnell Park.  ;)
Dubs were over Southside on the bandwagon

TheMaster

Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

The reality is that people are deflecting.

They say that the Dublin underage teams are not dominating. That's a straw man argument. Kids dont benefit from sports science. They are kids. They benefit from coaching and practice and only when they get to an older age does the finanical doping kick in with more analysis, more sophisticated sports science. If anything it proves the point. Dublin are not dominating because those players are not naturally the best players. They are coached and moulded into a system that makes them dominate.

Dublins game is a tightly defined system based on an athletic running game. They run and run and run with ball in hand and they will bring in a few more lads off the bench to run. They dont play a particularly stylish game though they do have a few exceptional players. They play in a tightly defined system. They in the main wear you down by sheer athleticism and a deep bench and each player playing a role. Throw in a few reliable free takers and its a template that can take even average or below average kids and win games. Plenty of Dublin players were not underage stars. Brian Fenton was playing Junior B for example. They will analyse a Defensive system like tyrones and systematically take it apart. That system takes resources, analaysis, and lots and lots of money.

You would never see a Gooch play for Dublin for example. A scrawny skillfull player. He just wouldnt fit the template.

Dublin Football had a tradition. Add in the finanical doping and they have dominated Leinster and then the All Ireland. This will continue. One or two traditional counties will give them a game but will eventually be burnt off and Football will be over.

Dublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938. Yet were able to compete from a zero base with enormous financial resources being pumped in brining in outside Counties managers. However Hurling relies much more than football on skill rather than athleticism.

As the coaching improves and the current generation of players turn the corner into coaches then Dublin will have tradition and in another ten years will probably come to Dominate Hurling in the Same way.

The reality is the full time administrators are Dubs and will prioritise their own county and it wont change and they wont care.Throw in the fact they play most of their games at home and it generates money then Dublin are basically a home town team soaking up all the money around

It doesnt detract that they have good players or a good manager or hard working back room team.

But it does detract from the sport and from fair play. Most fair weather fans dont care. And they have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyone who actually cares about the game and its long term survival does.

Farrandeelin

Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

Except this one is publicised. It's not the Dubs such as yourself who's at fault. It's the association itself for giving to Dublin, all the rest of us want is a bit of financial fair play.
Inaugural Football Championship Prediction Winner.

Tatler Jack

QuoteDublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938.

Dublin reached the 1961 AI hurling final - lost to Tipp.

Lar Naparka

Quote from: TheMaster on February 13, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

The reality is that people are deflecting.

They say that the Dublin underage teams are not dominating. That's a straw man argument. Kids dont benefit from sports science. They are kids. They benefit from coaching and practice and only when they get to an older age does the finanical doping kick in with more analysis, more sophisticated sports science. If anything it proves the point. Dublin are not dominating because those players are not naturally the best players. They are coached and moulded into a system that makes them dominate.

Dublins game is a tightly defined system based on an athletic running game. They run and run and run with ball in hand and they will bring in a few more lads off the bench to run. They dont play a particularly stylish game though they do have a few exceptional players. They play in a tightly defined system. They in the main wear you down by sheer athleticism and a deep bench and each player playing a role. Throw in a few reliable free takers and its a template that can take even average or below average kids and win games. Plenty of Dublin players were not underage stars. Brian Fenton was playing Junior B for example. They will analyse a Defensive system like tyrones and systematically take it apart. That system takes resources, analaysis, and lots and lots of money.

You would never see a Gooch play for Dublin for example. A scrawny skillfull player. He just wouldnt fit the template.

Dublin Football had a tradition. Add in the finanical doping and they have dominated Leinster and then the All Ireland. This will continue. One or two traditional counties will give them a game but will eventually be burnt off and Football will be over.

Dublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938. Yet were able to compete from a zero base with enormous financial resources being pumped in brining in outside Counties managers. However Hurling relies much more than football on skill rather than athleticism.

As the coaching improves and the current generation of players turn the corner into coaches then Dublin will have tradition and in another ten years will probably come to Dominate Hurling in the Same way.

The reality is the full time administrators are Dubs and will prioritise their own county and it wont change and they wont care.Throw in the fact they play most of their games at home and it generates money then Dublin are basically a home town team soaking up all the money around

It doesnt detract that they have good players or a good manager or hard working back room team.

But it does detract from the sport and from fair play. Most fair weather fans dont care. And they have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyone who actually cares about the game and its long term survival does.
That's a five-star post!
It's not just that I am agree with you (or are a jealous culchie or whatever!); figures speak for themselves and Ewan McKenna, Brolly, O'Rourke and other high profile journos are telling the reality as they see it.
THere are quite a few genuine Dub supporters here and they don't honestly know what the fuss is all about. After all, Kerry, and Kilkenny in hurling, had unprecedented spells of success and no one is complaining about them so why begrudge Dublin who just happens to have a once-in-a-lifetime team etc. etc.
According to govt. Sources, (Simon Coveney, last April) Dublin now has over one third of the republic's population and, crucially, half of its resources. He population is projected to pass the halfway mark by 2040 and still GAA HQ see no cause for alarm.
Problem is that Dublin = 35% of the population down south. Of course, the GAA needs to have Dublin pulling in the crowds but it takes two to tango and unless Dublin has worthwhile opposition, the general public won't pay to see an endless procession of worthless victories by the DUblin assembly belt.
Kerry and probably Mayo will possibly edge an AI or two once in a while but as time goes by, the gap between Dublin and the rest will continue to widen and there will be no possibility of any other team in the land going toe to toe with Dublin for any period of time.
I don't blame the genuine Dub fans, here or elsewhere, it's not Dublin's fault that they enjoy massive superiority in so many ways. It's up to other counties to object to the blatant discrimination where development funds is concerned.
I am sick of moaners. There is no point in highlighting obvious discrimination and then going all meekly with what's on offer.
The super 8s is a case in point. It can never be a success- financial or otherwise. It's not possible to have 8 top class sides at any time and most most games will be meaningless and, to cap it all, the club scene is being badly compromised because of even less weekends available for club competitions.
It's possible to fiddle about with rule changes as if a new brand of sticking plaster could keep the Titanic afloat! There's a domino effect here and HQ won't or can't see the obvious problems that exist. So Dublin ramps up its production line and other counties will attempt to keep pace= Kerry, Mayo and a few others at best.
Then other counties down the pecking order will realise that not alone Dublin but their closest rivals also, will be virtually odds-on certs to hammer all others and the feeling of inevitably grows and the paying public switches off.
Two tier competition? Anyone thinking that this is a panacea of any sort should remember what happened to the Tommy Murphy competition.
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twohands!!!

Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 13, 2019, 11:18:34 PM
Quote from: TheMaster on February 13, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 03, 2019, 07:12:16 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 01, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 31, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ewan-mackenna-how-obscenely-good-dublin-gaa-have-it-is-best-highlighted-by-how-disgracefully-bad-some-others-have-it-37771428.html

When are counties like Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo going to learn that they are not worth investing money in? They have little or no fan base. The GAA are not going to invest in half arse supported counties. There's no money in it!
They already full know it. When Croke Park turns them down, the county board meekly retreat. Shrug, move on. No fight, no effort at publicising it. All the Dubs fault of course.

The reality is that people are deflecting.

They say that the Dublin underage teams are not dominating. That's a straw man argument. Kids dont benefit from sports science. They are kids. They benefit from coaching and practice and only when they get to an older age does the finanical doping kick in with more analysis, more sophisticated sports science. If anything it proves the point. Dublin are not dominating because those players are not naturally the best players. They are coached and moulded into a system that makes them dominate.

Dublins game is a tightly defined system based on an athletic running game. They run and run and run with ball in hand and they will bring in a few more lads off the bench to run. They dont play a particularly stylish game though they do have a few exceptional players. They play in a tightly defined system. They in the main wear you down by sheer athleticism and a deep bench and each player playing a role. Throw in a few reliable free takers and its a template that can take even average or below average kids and win games. Plenty of Dublin players were not underage stars. Brian Fenton was playing Junior B for example. They will analyse a Defensive system like tyrones and systematically take it apart. That system takes resources, analaysis, and lots and lots of money.

You would never see a Gooch play for Dublin for example. A scrawny skillfull player. He just wouldnt fit the template.

Dublin Football had a tradition. Add in the finanical doping and they have dominated Leinster and then the All Ireland. This will continue. One or two traditional counties will give them a game but will eventually be burnt off and Football will be over.

Dublin do not have a hurling tradition. None. Their last all ireland final appearance was 1938. Yet were able to compete from a zero base with enormous financial resources being pumped in brining in outside Counties managers. However Hurling relies much more than football on skill rather than athleticism.

As the coaching improves and the current generation of players turn the corner into coaches then Dublin will have tradition and in another ten years will probably come to Dominate Hurling in the Same way.

The reality is the full time administrators are Dubs and will prioritise their own county and it wont change and they wont care.Throw in the fact they play most of their games at home and it generates money then Dublin are basically a home town team soaking up all the money around

It doesnt detract that they have good players or a good manager or hard working back room team.

But it does detract from the sport and from fair play. Most fair weather fans dont care. And they have jumped on the bandwagon.

Anyone who actually cares about the game and its long term survival does.
That's a five-star post!
It's not just that I am agree with you (or are a jealous culchie or whatever!); figures speak for themselves and Ewan McKenna, Brolly, O'Rourke and other high profile journos are telling the reality as they see it.
THere are quite a few genuine Dub supporters here and they don't honestly know what the fuss is all about. After all, Kerry, and Kilkenny in hurling, had unprecedented spells of success and no one is complaining about them so why begrudge Dublin who just happens to have a once-in-a-lifetime team etc. etc.
According to govt. Sources, (Simon Coveney, last April) Dublin now has over one third of the republic's population and, crucially, half of its resources. He population is projected to pass the halfway mark by 2040 and still GAA HQ see no cause for alarm.
Problem is that Dublin = 35% of the population down south. Of course, the GAA needs to have Dublin pulling in the crowds but it takes two to tango and unless Dublin has worthwhile opposition, the general public won't pay to see an endless procession of worthless victories by the DUblin assembly belt.
Kerry and probably Mayo will possibly edge an AI or two once in a while but as time goes by, the gap between Dublin and the rest will continue to widen and there will be no possibility of any other team in the land going toe to toe with Dublin for any period of time.
I don't blame the genuine Dub fans, here or elsewhere, it's not Dublin's fault that they enjoy massive superiority in so many ways. It's up to other counties to object to the blatant discrimination where development funds is concerned.
I am sick of moaners. There is no point in highlighting obvious discrimination and then going all meekly with what's on offer.
The super 8s is a case in point. It can never be a success- financial or otherwise. It's not possible to have 8 top class sides at any time and most most games will be meaningless and, to cap it all, the club scene is being badly compromised because of even less weekends available for club competitions.
It's possible to fiddle about with rule changes as if a new brand of sticking plaster could keep the Titanic afloat! There's a domino effect here and HQ won't or can't see the obvious problems that exist. So Dublin ramps up its production line and other counties will attempt to keep pace= Kerry, Mayo and a few others at best.
Then other counties down the pecking order will realise that not alone Dublin but their closest rivals also, will be virtually odds-on certs to hammer all others and the feeling of inevitably grows and the paying public switches off.
Two tier competition? Anyone thinking that this is a panacea of any sort should remember what happened to the Tommy Murphy competition.

I was reading an article on the split in Irish Karate circles and I waas thinking of all the different splits that have happened over the years in Ireland and a daft thought popped into my head - how long before someone proposes simply exluding Dublin from the GAA?

Imagine a 2019 championship with no Dublin and where the favourites were Kerry/Mayo/Tyrone/Donegal/Galway/Monaghan.

Paddy Power are currently offering 11/1 on Dublin to compete the ten-in a row in 2024

Do the GAA have any plan if Dublin win say 8 out of the next 10 All-Irelands ?

manfromdelmonte

I blame Westmeath for all this

They went and beat Dublin in Croke Park in 2004 in the Leinster semi final.
The GAA suddenly realised they needed a well funded coaching structure in thr capital to overcome the insurmountable odds that dublin faced vs the behemoths of the game such as Westmeath and Laois.

€18+ million later and we are where we are

Farrandeelin

Ha, good man Lar. I think Mayo have missed the boat in terms of winning any All Ireland in my lifetime , never mind edging 2.
Inaugural Football Championship Prediction Winner.

Lar Naparka

Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 15, 2019, 09:47:19 PM
Ha, good man Lar. I think Mayo have missed the boat in terms of winning any All Ireland in my lifetime , never mind edging 2.
Don't you mind a bit, Farr. Armageddon, aka James Horan mark 2, is on the scene again and he won't miss the boat this time around.
The Greatest can gloat all he likes but he will lose bragging rights sometime soon, very very soon!  ;D
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