Only 3 wins away from Sam for both teams.
If I remember correctly the last league game we played in Castlebar broke into something like a mini war.
Quote from: highorlow on July 22, 2019, 09:58:16 PM
Only 3 wins away from Sam for both teams.
If I remember correctly the last league game we played in Castlebar broke into something like a mini war.
Cormac Reilly refereed it! :o
Had a feeling Donegal threw that game that day as they were safe and were going to end up playing Dublin in Croke Park in some League Semi or Final. Either way it was the last thing they needed a week or two away from the opening round of the Ulster Championship!
Mayo said thank you! Murphy let loose a bit! And Cormac Reilly gave us everything and more. It was one funny afternoon!
A lot will depend on how many of the Donegal wounded will be fit for action. With two out long term already we can't afford any more injuries if we expect to compete in Castlebar.
At the end of March Mayo won League Div. 1 and Donegal won Div.2 and yet a few month's later Donegal are 8/11 heading to Castlebar. How has this happened?
Donegal rightly favourites imo, but what has happened since The League final to cause this swing in form?
Mayo have had injuries but so have had Donegal. If anything Mayo have had more time to deal with injuries over several weeks while Donegal lost 3/4 players in the week leading into Kerry game.
Quote from: inthrough on July 22, 2019, 11:31:14 PM
A lot will depend on how many of the Donegal wounded will be fit for action. With two out long term already we can't afford any more injuries if we expect to compete in Castlebar.
PP has Donegal odds-on in spite of those injury doubt. In fact, apart from a tsunami and Ebola hitting Donegal, ye are expected to win this.
so can anyone give a good account of both sides injury situation?
Potentially for us, you have the possibility of Paddy Durcan/d'oc back, seems to be less optimism about matty ruane and no idea re: Keith.
Donegal injuries the last day beforehand - ban gallagher/mcgrath/mcgee, any of these expected back? any knocks expected to rule any new players out?
Quote from: moysider on July 22, 2019, 11:47:37 PM
At the end of March Mayo won League Div. 1 and Donegal won Div.2 and yet a few month's later Donegal are 8/11 heading to Castlebar. How has this happened?
Donegal rightly favourites imo, but what has happened since The League final to cause this swing in form?
Mayo have had injuries but so have had Donegal. If anything Mayo have had more time to deal with injuries over several weeks while Donegal lost 3/4 players in the week leading into Kerry game.
A win against Tyrone and draw v Kerry seems to carry a lot of value. Mayo's best win since the league final was v Galway.
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Quote from: moysider on July 22, 2019, 11:47:37 PM
At the end of March Mayo won League Div. 1 and Donegal won Div.2 and yet a few month's later Donegal are 8/11 heading to Castlebar. How has this happened?
Donegal rightly favourites imo, but what has happened since The League final to cause this swing in form?
Mayo have had injuries but so have had Donegal. If anything Mayo have had more time to deal with injuries over several weeks while Donegal lost 3/4 players in the week leading into Kerry game.
A win against Tyrone and draw v Kerry seems to carry a lot of value. Mayo's best win since the league final was v Galway.
Not exactly the point I was trying to make but that's down to me. Mayo has been dysfunctional all Summe, while Donegal really got their act together. Both have had to deal with injuries and Odhrán Mc Nialliás appears to be gone missing too ( serious player). How does this happen?
Unless something drastically changes with the Mayo restarts, Donegal will win. Clarke has had two bad games in a row now. His kickouts are well and truly sussed and Mayo were lucky that Meath weren't really able to capitalize on it. I think this could go a similar way to the Kerry game. I could see Mayo getting destroyed on their own kickouts again.
Would you really blame Clarke for Mayo's restart issues?
They haven't really needed a plan for the past decade over and above lump it out to Aidan, Seamus and Tom, and win upwards on 75% as a result.
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The bookies - who let's be honest, shouldn't deal in bias and hope - started this one at Mayo +1, and we are already out to Mayo +2. Which still seems a bit of a sleight on Donegal, who've had a fine summer to date.
As we know, the injuries are crucial. Donegal would have a massive pace advantage based on the teams that started at the weekend. But as any or all of Durcan, Higgins, Ruane and O'Connor return, the gap narrows. I doubt we will see all 4 of them, but if we do, this could be a classic.
Where Donegal will find it tougher than normal is that they rarely meet a team that is physically stronger than them, and rarely meet a team that is cuter/more cynical than them. How they react to those factors will be crucial. It's difficult to see this being 15 v 15 entering the final quarter.
Also I'd expect Leroy will take one for the team and spend the match on McHugh's shoulder. I don't think even Keegan can take McHugh completely out of it, but Donegal's counter attack just won't work as well if Keegan is continually disrupting its main artery.
Quote from: UpMeeyo on July 23, 2019, 12:08:59 AM
so can anyone give a good account of both sides injury situation?
Potentially for us, you have the possibility of Paddy Durcan/d'oc back, seems to be less optimism about matty ruane and no idea re: Keith.
Donegal injuries the last day beforehand - ban gallagher/mcgrath/mcgee, any of these expected back? any knocks expected to rule any new players out?
Cian Ward on the Wooly podcast reckons Paddy McBrearty had a hamstring problem at the end of the Kerry game.
I hope we have a referee who can count 4 steps in this one. Both these sides have many serial offenders. There was a time people would get annoyed about 7 or 8 steps....not its 12 or 16 that's leading to scores and totally unpunished. Just put the head down and run - seems to be what people get away with now. That's not gaelic football.
Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Tickets not available online anymore, I presume this will be a sellout
Quote from: larryin89 on July 23, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Not the greatest vote of confidence in a team I've ever seen ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2019, 08:59:07 AM
I hope we have a referee who can count 4 steps in this one. Both these sides have many serial offenders. There was a time people would get annoyed about 7 or 8 steps....not its 12 or 16 that's leading to scores and totally unpunished. Just put the head down and run - seems to be what people get away with now. That's not gaelic football.
I agree on the 12-16 steps comment, that is ripping it a bit, but I would hate to watch a game where the four step rule was rigidly enforced. The tackling in the modern game is so ferocious that games would be ruined. Maybe a change out to six steps would be workable, it seems to be what refs are using as a minimum nowadays anyway.
Are Gaelic games the only sports in the world where enforcing the rules of the games is not only frowned upon but regularly condemned?
"Let the game flow"
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Quote from: magpie seanie on July 23, 2019, 08:59:07 AM
I hope we have a referee who can count 4 steps in this one. Both these sides have many serial offenders. There was a time people would get annoyed about 7 or 8 steps....not its 12 or 16 that's leading to scores and totally unpunished. Just put the head down and run - seems to be what people get away with now. That's not gaelic football.
I agree on the 12-16 steps comment, that is ripping it a bit, but I would hate to watch a game where the four step rule was rigidly enforced. The tackling in the modern game is so ferocious that games would be ruined. Maybe a change out to six steps would be workable, it seems to be what refs are using as a minimum nowadays anyway.
Problem being that you move to 6 and the average will then be 8-10 given how they're reffed the 4 steps. Making the man solo/bounce every 4 steps (And enforcing it) will open the game up imo. A 1 to 1 defender would then have a realistic chance of tackling the ball rather than the man and wouldn't require the safety net of a blanket defense. People lament the decline of good attacking football but the reality is that the art of tackling individually is also dying along side it due to massed defenses. How often do you see the hand go in a flick the ball away anymore? It more about stopping the attacker running first and trying to bottle him up rather than tackling the ball.
What kind of reception will Rochford get? :)
Will his inside knowledge be much of a help to Donegal? It didn't help Fermanagh much with Rory Gallagher, but that may be purely a player quality/depth issue.
Not sure about Mayo, but Bonner will probably keep us all hanging on throw in time on the injuries. As someone mentioned, Cian Ward reckoned on the Parkinson podcast that McBrearty was possibly carrying a hamstring strain towards the end of the game. Then we've the two McGees, Paddy McGrath and Hugh McFadden injured too, in addition to Ban.
We've happy memories of our last and only Championship game in Castlebar. Beating Galway in the quarter final replay in '03.
Shaun Patton has become crucial to Donegal. A great player altogether. His restarts are brilliant. He's now at Cluxton levels.
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What kind of reception will Rochford get? :)
I'd be very surprised if he gets anything other than a very warm reception
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Quote from: J70 on July 23, 2019, 11:31:21 AM
What kind of reception will Rochford get? :)
I'd be very surprised if he gets anything other than a very warm reception
💯 , don't even understand why anyone would think different .
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Quote from: larryin89 on July 23, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Not the greatest vote of confidence in a team I've ever seen ;D ;D ;D
Hes yeraaing, we do it as well sometimes
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Quote from: larryin89 on July 23, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Not the greatest vote of confidence in a team I've ever seen ;D ;D ;D
Hes yeraaing, we do it as well sometimes
no he has lodt the one true faith . bad mouthing horan and mayo all summer , fe more of them here as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxx_yUQlgE&fbclid=IwAR0cyfBdY0yrr_pxAJt0hvAGa2qnGamOfZL5XRW4ehzw4dr-NEQ4K2sDUFM
The Rossies won't be happy with the "crest kisser"
Still has his good Roscommon accent despite all his years associating with the wrong types.
Quote from: whitey on July 23, 2019, 05:34:41 PM
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The Rossies won't be happy with the "crest kisser"
What's the story with Ballaghadereen and the Roscommon and Mayo border?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxx_yUQlgE&fbclid=IwAR0cyfBdY0yrr_pxAJt0hvAGa2qnGamOfZL5XRW4ehzw4dr-NEQ4K2sDUFM
The Rossies won't be happy with the "crest kisser"
What's the story with Ballaghadereen and the Roscommon and Mayo border?
Lol
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The Rossies won't be happy with the "crest kisser"
What's the story with Ballaghadereen and the Roscommon and Mayo border?
Lol
What's so funny? :P
Ballagh left the darkness and came into the light in 1898.
Unfortunately their GAA club still refuses to come out of the cave.
Hurson is the only ref that I've ever seen enforcing the steps rule.
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Quote from: larryin89 on July 23, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Not the greatest vote of confidence in a team I've ever seen ;D ;D ;D
Hes yeraaing, we do it as well sometimes
no he has lodt the one true faith . bad mouthing horan and mayo all summer , fe more of them here as well.
He has a remarkable similarity with the poster over on the Willy Joe Blog that goes under "Sean Burke . Constantly running the knife into Mayo, then every now and again coming out with "Boyler is a great soldier " or some such patronising bull only to return immediately to Mayo are chokers etc never win anything etc etc. It takes a particular type of individual to invest so much time and effort into a campaign of negativity. You would wonder why he would even bother with a Mayo team discussion if not willing to support the team.
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Quote from: larryin89 on July 23, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Not the greatest vote of confidence in a team I've ever seen ;D ;D ;D
Hes yeraaing, we do it as well sometimes
no he has lodt the one true faith . bad mouthing horan and mayo all summer , fe more of them here as well.
He has a remarkable similarity with the poster over on the Willy Joe Blog that goes under "Sean Burke . Constantly running the knife into Mayo, then every now and again coming out with "Boyler is a great soldier " or some such patronising bull only to return immediately to Mayo are chokers etc never win anything etc etc. It takes a particular type of individual to invest so much time and effort into a campaign of negativity. You would wonder why he would even bother with a Mayo team discussion if not willing to support the team.
Yeah. Leave the pessimism to me please. :)
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
Clarke/Mayo have been found out on their kick-outs and they really need to do something drastic in the next 2 weeks to get their restarts fixed. For all the "messiah" talk I heard around Horan in the run-up to his appointment I'm sorely disappointed since. I certainly couldn't see Jimmy McG be so oblivious to the major problem that is the Mayo restarts.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 23, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
Ballagh left the darkness and came into the light in 1898.
Unfortunately their GAA club still refuses to come out of the cave.
I see. And is their pitch in Roscommon?
Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
Clarke/Mayo have been found out on their kick-outs and they really need to do something drastic in the next 2 weeks to get their restarts fixed. For all the "messiah" talk I heard around Horan in the run-up to his appointment I'm sorely disappointed since. I certainly couldn't see Jimmy McG be so oblivious to the major problem that is the Mayo restarts.
I think it's only really been an issue with the injury absentees for Mayo.
Mayo have always been hugely physically intimidating in the middle of the pitch in the past - SOS, AOS, Parsons, Barry Moran, DOC, Vaughan, Keegan, Durcan, Ruane have all operated around there and their aerial ability and powerful running have strangled teams in big games for the most part. I think with the age and absentees at the minute they no longer have the same intimidating presence there and whereas in the past they didn't need much of a kickout strategy when it was knocked long, they now do.
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Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Not the greatest vote of confidence in a team I've ever seen ;D ;D ;D
Hes yeraaing, we do it as well sometimes
no he has lodt the one true faith . bad mouthing horan and mayo all summer , fe more of them here as well.
He has a remarkable similarity with the poster over on the Willy Joe Blog that goes under "Sean Burke . Constantly running the knife into Mayo, then every now and again coming out with "Boyler is a great soldier " or some such patronising bull only to return immediately to Mayo are chokers etc never win anything etc etc. It takes a particular type of individual to invest so much time and effort into a campaign of negativity. You would wonder why he would even bother with a Mayo team discussion if not willing to support the team.
Excuse me never in my life have said we are chokers , takes a special type of individual to drag someone's real identity and make shit up . Tosser
Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
Clarke/Mayo have been found out on their kick-outs and they really need to do something drastic in the next 2 weeks to get their restarts fixed. For all the "messiah" talk I heard around Horan in the run-up to his appointment I'm sorely disappointed since. I certainly couldn't see Jimmy McG be so oblivious to the major problem that is the Mayo restarts.
I see there is a problem with our kickout strategy, but it's not all down to keeper , lack of options has to be factored in also . Losing ruane was massive this year he was the find of the last two years and was working well with aido .
Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
When it comes to injuries Donegal could be most hit for this game. Ban Gallagher out long term, Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee ruled out last Sunday, Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden went off injured v kerry on Sunday and McBrearty doubtful after a hamstring strain.
Con telegraph who are normally very accurate has stated that Keith Higgins, Diarmuid O'Connor, Matthew Ruane and Paddy Durcan will be in contention to return to action for this game.
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Some prize for the winner , a semi final v Dublin . Donegal miles ahead of Mayo anyway but I personally would prefer a five/six point defeat to donegal in castlebar rather than a twenty point trimming at the hands of the dubs .
Not the greatest vote of confidence in a team I've ever seen ;D ;D ;D
Hes yeraaing, we do it as well sometimes
no he has lodt the one true faith . bad mouthing horan and mayo all summer , fe more of them here as well.
He has a remarkable similarity with the poster over on the Willy Joe Blog that goes under "Sean Burke . Constantly running the knife into Mayo, then every now and again coming out with "Boyler is a great soldier " or some such patronising bull only to return immediately to Mayo are chokers etc never win anything etc etc. It takes a particular type of individual to invest so much time and effort into a campaign of negativity. You would wonder why he would even bother with a Mayo team discussion if not willing to support the team.
Excuse me never in my life have said we are chokers , takes a special type of individual to drag someone's real identity and make shit up . t**ser
Larry before every league match you predicted a Mayo defeat.. We won a few if I remember. Galway were going to wipe the floor with us. Meath you predicted by 5 points. I hppe you're not placing bets on those predictions or you'll be skint. And how the hell could I know your real identity.
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Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
When it comes to injuries Donegal could be most hit for this game. Ban Gallagher out long term, Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee ruled out last Sunday, Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden went off injured v kerry on Sunday and McBrearty doubtful after a hamstring strain.
Con telegraph who are normally very accurate has stated that Keith Higgins, Diarmuid O'Connor, Matthew Ruane and Paddy Durcan will be in contention to return to action for this game.
When did Ruane do his collarbone?
Before the Down game? So about 5/6 weeks ago?
I think it would be nigh on impossible to return from that before the final at the earliest, particularly given how open you are with a collarbone and the fact he wouldn't be able to get any training in.
Diarmuid O'Connor might be able to return to action this year but I'd imagine he will be unlikely to make the Donegal game.
The form of Aidan O'Shea is a real worry for Mayo, really struggled in the last couple of games and with all the injuries around that area they really need him to lead and carry the team. Thought Seamus O'Shea had a very good game against Meath but probably doesn't have 70 minutes in him at the minute.
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Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
When it comes to injuries Donegal could be most hit for this game. Ban Gallagher out long term, Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee ruled out last Sunday, Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden went off injured v kerry on Sunday and McBrearty doubtful after a hamstring strain.
Con telegraph who are normally very accurate has stated that Keith Higgins, Diarmuid O'Connor, Matthew Ruane and Paddy Durcan will be in contention to return to action for this game.
When did Ruane do his collarbone?
Before the Down game? So about 5/6 weeks ago?
I think it would be nigh on impossible to return from that before the final at the earliest, particularly given how open you are with a collarbone and the fact he wouldn't be able to get any training in.
Diarmuid O'Connor might be able to return to action this year but I'd imagine he will be unlikely to make the Donegal game.
The form of Aidan O'Shea is a real worry for Mayo, really struggled in the last couple of games and with all the injuries around that area they really need him to lead and carry the team. Thought Seamus O'Shea had a very good game against Meath but probably doesn't have 70 minutes in him at the minute.
I believe it was exactly a month before the Kerry game, so should be about 7 weeks by the Donegal game, which I would have thought would be plenty time, especially given how quick a lot of recoveries have been made
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Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
When it comes to injuries Donegal could be most hit for this game. Ban Gallagher out long term, Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee ruled out last Sunday, Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden went off injured v kerry on Sunday and McBrearty doubtful after a hamstring strain.
Con telegraph who are normally very accurate has stated that Keith Higgins, Diarmuid O'Connor, Matthew Ruane and Paddy Durcan will be in contention to return to action for this game.
When did Ruane do his collarbone?
Before the Down game? So about 5/6 weeks ago?
I think it would be nigh on impossible to return from that before the final at the earliest, particularly given how open you are with a collarbone and the fact he wouldn't be able to get any training in.
Diarmuid O'Connor might be able to return to action this year but I'd imagine he will be unlikely to make the Donegal game.
The form of Aidan O'Shea is a real worry for Mayo, really struggled in the last couple of games and with all the injuries around that area they really need him to lead and carry the team. Thought Seamus O'Shea had a very good game against Meath but probably doesn't have 70 minutes in him at the minute.
I believe it was exactly a month before the Kerry game, so should be about 7 weeks by the Donegal game, which I would have thought would be plenty time, especially given how quick a lot of recoveries have been made
A collarbone is a very dodgy one, you wouldn't be able for any contact training until it is fully healed and if it's not fully healed and you take a big hit you're probably back at square. I'd be very surprised to see him back this year unless Mayo make the final.
How long would it usually take to fully heal though? I had thought it was 4-8 weeks
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 23, 2019, 10:41:02 PM
How long would it usually take to fully heal though? I had thought it was 4-8 weeks
Didn't he undergo surgery so I assume it was a pretty bad break?
James Horan was asked on Sunday what was the chances of D O'Connor,M Ruane and P Durcan returning for this Donegal game?
His answer was, its tight but its looking positive, a lot can happen in two weeks.
You have to love heavyweight clashes.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 23, 2019, 10:58:45 PM
James Horan was asked on Sunday what was the chances of D O'Connor,M Ruane and P Durcan returning for this Donegal game?
His answer was, its tight but its looking positive, a lot can happen in two weeks.
I'd say Higgins and Durcan will come straight back into the team. Unless their injuries are worse than reported.
Don't see the other 2 starting but Diarmuid might make the bench.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 23, 2019, 10:41:02 PM
How long would it usually take to fully heal though? I had thought it was 4-8 weeks
Ruane was out on the pitch before the Meath game catching and kicking the ball around but I doubt he's allowed near contact for another while.
I never like to see players being brought back before they asre 100% ready. Not alone do you have to fully heal but you then need to get fully up to speed after a lengthy layoff, especially at this level.
In my experience it never ends well
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Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
Clarke/Mayo have been found out on their kick-outs and they really need to do something drastic in the next 2 weeks to get their restarts fixed. For all the "messiah" talk I heard around Horan in the run-up to his appointment I'm sorely disappointed since. I certainly couldn't see Jimmy McG be so oblivious to the major problem that is the Mayo restarts.
I see there is a problem with our kickout strategy, but it's not all down to keeper , lack of options has to be factored in also . Losing ruane was massive this year he was the find of the last two years and was working well with aido .
Agreed but your keeper is still a good 50% factor in kickout strategy so he shoulders more of the blame proportionally.
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Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
Clarke/Mayo have been found out on their kick-outs and they really need to do something drastic in the next 2 weeks to get their restarts fixed. For all the "messiah" talk I heard around Horan in the run-up to his appointment I'm sorely disappointed since. I certainly couldn't see Jimmy McG be so oblivious to the major problem that is the Mayo restarts.
If you haven'yt got a good kickout strategy these days then you are toast.
I see there is a problem with our kickout strategy, but it's not all down to keeper , lack of options has to be factored in also . Losing ruane was massive this year he was the find of the last two years and was working well with aido .
Agreed but your keeper is still a good 50% factor in kickout strategy so he shoulders more of the blame proportionally.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 23, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
Ballagh left the darkness and came into the light in 1898.
Unfortunately their GAA club still refuses to come out of the cave.
Time for Ros to stop worrying about Ballagh and concentrate on winning a game as Connacht champions that matters for the first time in 40 years! ;)
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 23, 2019, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
When it comes to injuries Donegal could be most hit for this game. Ban Gallagher out long term, Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee ruled out last Sunday, Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden went off injured v kerry on Sunday and McBrearty doubtful after a hamstring strain.
Con telegraph who are normally very accurate has stated that Keith Higgins, Diarmuid O'Connor, Matthew Ruane and Paddy Durcan will be in contention to return to action for this game.
Other than getting correct team few weeks ago they are shocking for nearly everything they do.
Anybody post up Dara O'Se piece in today's IT. Subscriber only
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2019, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 23, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
Ballagh left the darkness and came into the light in 1898.
Unfortunately their GAA club still refuses to come out of the cave.
Time for Ros to stop worrying about Ballagh and concentrate on winning a game as Connacht champions that matters for the first time in 40 years! ;)
Like talking to children about it Farr. There's a lad on here called giveballaghback. Rossfan has just shown the irony of his name. Ballagh should indeed be given back....... to Mayo. Anyway for the 1000th time this has been brought up, debating it here won't change it. We're in Mayo for football thank feck!
Great to still have our hopes alive going into the last round. I'd have taken that after the no show in Kerry. Good to see Tommy Conroy called in to train with the squad. He obviously won't play this year but Horan is planning for the future which is vital if we're to be competitive for years to come.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 24, 2019, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 23, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
Ballagh left the darkness and came into the light in 1898.
Unfortunately their GAA club still refuses to come out of the cave.
Time for Ros to stop worrying about Ballagh and concentrate on winning a game as Connacht champions that matters for the first time in 40 years! ;)
Arrah, they'd give you a pain where your back loses its polite name!
Them sheep shaggers had the Ballagh GAA club for the taking and they turned it down.
Back when the county boundaries changed, the Faugh a Ballaghs club offered to amalgamate with the Ross county board and because they were too good for the local yokels, they were told to frig off back to Mayo.
They did just that and said they'd stay where they were until the sheepohiles just manners and apologised. Obviously, that's unlikely happen so Ballagh is where it belongs and proper order too.
BTW, giveballlaghback me arse! How can anyone give back where they never took?
Quote from: fearsiuil on July 24, 2019, 09:22:12 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 23, 2019, 10:02:17 PM
Quote from: trileacman on July 23, 2019, 08:45:14 PM
Wouldn't like to be Donegal going in to this but the incentive of losing out on a SF spot like last year should see them over the line. An uninjured Mayo v Donegal would be very interesting and I'd think Mayo would win in such a scenario but alas those key Mayo players won't be back.
When it comes to injuries Donegal could be most hit for this game. Ban Gallagher out long term, Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee ruled out last Sunday, Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden went off injured v kerry on Sunday and McBrearty doubtful after a hamstring strain.
Con telegraph who are normally very accurate has stated that Keith Higgins, Diarmuid O'Connor, Matthew Ruane and Paddy Durcan will be in contention to return to action for this game.
Other than getting correct team few weeks ago they are shocking for nearly everything they do.
With all the news they leak out they seem to have sources close to the panel. Weren't they first on the Connelly and Holmes heave news?
Will be in Westport the weekend of this match with a few mates
Would it be hard to get tickets would you say? I see they're sold out on gaa.tickets.ie at the moment.
Have never been to any neutral game outside Croker I think.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 24, 2019, 02:06:16 PM
Will be in Westport the weekend of this match with a few mates
Would it be hard to get tickets would you say? I see they're sold out on gaa.tickets.ie at the moment.
Have never been to any neutral game outside Croker I think.
Capacity seems to be capped at 25k for this (presumably H&S bullshit) so could be tough enough to get tickets.
Quote from: giveherlong on July 24, 2019, 11:49:50 AM
Anybody post up Dara O'Se piece in today's IT. Subscriber only
Darragh Ó Sé
about 5 hours ago
If you want to know letting bygones be bygones, you only need to hear one story from the weekend.
Mick O'Dwyer was supposed to be going to Croke Park to watch Kerry play Donegal but at the last minute, he decided to stay at home in Waterville. For one reason only – so that he would be able to keep an eye on Shane Lowry in the golf. It's taken 37 years but it looks like he's finally thinking about forgiving Offaly for '82.
The week off now couldn't have come at a better time for some of the teams left standing in the Super 8s. Mayo look especially ready for a bit of down-time. I watched them in Croke Park on Sunday and some of them looked wrecked tired. You could see the five weeks in a row taking its toll on them.
Tiredness is a virus. It doesn't kill you right away, it just takes a bit here and a bit there out of you until you're thrown off your game. It's nearly worse than an injury because at least if you're injured, they've no choice but to take you off and you are replaced by someone who is fully fit. By the time the sideline works out that tiredness is affecting you, it's too late.
It's more than just being out on your feet and not being physically able to get back into position or track your man. The real killer is tiredness in your mind, stopping you thinking clearly and quickly and making the right choices. I was watching Aidan O'Shea and Lee Keegan on Sunday and the mistakes they were making were purely down to mental exhaustion.
Watching tired players is like seeing a fella leave his pint glass on the edge of the bar counter. You're nervous for them, more nervous than they are for themselves. You know disaster is imminent but that they might get away with it as well. Mayo got out the gap on Sunday and no glass was smashed. But it was obvious that they were just scraping by.
The two-week break will be huge for them. They need an energy refill for mind and body. It's not a huge amount of time or anything but it's something at least. They will still have football on the brain every day, they will still know at all times that they're in a serious situation. But at least they're not having to go again straight away.
They badly need to get those energy levels up again. I thought they looked punch drunk at times on Sunday. Keegan came into it when the game was there to be won in the second half but for a long time before that he was anonymous. At times I was looking at him and wondering where the player who was footballer of year a few years ago had gone.
Think of Keegan when he was one of the best players anywhere. He was all about physicality and aggression and getting forward for that goal against the Dubs. He was pure attitude, absolute warrior stuff – taking it to the opposition, making them know that he was a problem that they had to go and deal with.
But now he looks like someone who has lost a couple of gears. Or maybe lost a bit of attitude or something. I know he's been injured this year and I presume that's part of it too. But Mayo need more from him. When you're blessed to have a Rolls Royce player like that, he's no good to you as just one of the gang. You need him to be outstanding – not necessarily in every game but definitely from here on out. He and O'Shea really need to flush the tiredness from their system between now and Saturday week.
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Complete performance
Because look who they're coming up against? A Donegal team whose main man and superstar doesn't look in the least bit tired. Michael Murphy gave an exhibition on Sunday, a complete performance. It's rare you see someone who is so comfortable with orchestrating a game. He was something else.
In the vast majority of cases, the outstanding player on a team stands out because of his individual gifts. He's the player who isn't just allowed to be selfish, he's encouraged to be. You go and do your bit and let us take up the slack for you.
But the thing that really stands out about Michael Murphy is how selfless he is. Watch the timing of his runs or the positioning for certain different match situations or the way he decides for himself where he's most needed on the pitch. All of it is done to serve the team as a whole, not Murphy himself.
Lee Keegan in action against Meath's Barry Dardis. Mayo need more from him. When you're blessed to have a Rolls Royce player like that, he's no good to you as just one of the gang. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
He constantly wants to bring the other Donegal players into the game. He knows that wherever he goes, he will attract the bulk of the attention so when Patrick McBrearty needs a bit of space to work in, he gets out of the full-forward line and drifts around the middle. He's always available for kick-outs and brings two opposition players with him when he goes for one. His decision-making in real time is a sight to see.
I thought he was magnificent against Kerry on Sunday. When Donegal got the penalty and it looked for minute that McBrearty was going to take it, I had a brief moment of hope. I don't mean that I expected McBrearty to miss or anything – it was more a sudden jolt of, 'Here lads, Murphy isn't taking it'.
But no such luck. Once he took the ball of McBrearty, that was that. I didn't even have to look to see what way he hit it – that ball was going nowhere only the back of the net. He is a leader playing at the very height of his powers and he is bringing Donegal with him.
So all of this makes Saturday week a huge battle. Both sides have injuries that they could do with getting cleared up but assuming that the majority of them are good to go, it's such an even contest.
A lot will be made of Stephen Rochford's role over the coming week and a half. It's interesting that most people see it as a big advantage for Donegal to have him as their coach going up against Mayo players who he has intimate knowledge of. And you can see why.
If you were in charge of Donegal and Rochford wasn't a part of the coaching ticket, wouldn't he be your first call if you were going about preparing for a game like this? If you could get him in for a night, pick his brain, bombard him with questions, you'd do it in a heartbeat. Except of course, he probably wouldn't do it because he's only a year out of the job. So it's some help to Declan Bonner to have him on hand to go picking holes in Mayo. He can say what they are even before he sits down to watch a minute of video.
For one thing, Mayo's killer weakness is their kick-out and nobody knows that better than Rochford. He was the man who dropped David Clarke for the All-Ireland final replay, purely on the basis of his kick-outs. It backfired on him then but when you look at how Kerry blitzed Clarke in that first half in Killarney, you can see what Rochford was so afraid of.
Now that the boot is on the other foot, you can be very sure Donegal will go to Castlebar with a game plan designed to target that weakness.
Serious motivation
But to be honest, I look at the Rochford factor from the other side of the fence. If you're a Mayo player over the coming 10 days and Rochford's name comes up, you're not going to be sitting there in fear of what he has in store for you. Not a hope. If you have any gumption about you at all – and we know these Mayo players have nothing to prove on that score – you're saying, "Bring it on, Rochy. We know as much about you as you do about us".
If I was a Mayo player in the run up to this game, it would piss me off to high heaven that people are talking about Rochford as having the key to beating me. Great coach, great fella, can't wait to shake his hand and give him a hug after the game. So what if he knows how to plan for us? Why is nobody pointing out that the same goes the other way around?
I was watching Aidan O'Shea (above) and Lee Keegan on Sunday and the mistakes they were making were purely down to mental exhaustion. Photograph: Ryan Byrne/Inpho
Stuff like that gives you serious motivation. It's not really a comparable situation in terms of what's a stake but I remember playing a league game in Tralee one year against Westmeath when Páidí was over them. When you're going playing a game against someone who you have that sort of connection with, people are always going to make assumptions. Whether they do or they don't, you will always convince yourself of it anyway.
I wasn't playing particularly well at the time and I went into the game full sure that people thought I would probably take it handy because Páidí was in the other dugout. But I tore into it and had one of my better games, purely to make it clear that there could be no chance that I'd be found wanting, regardless of the opposition.
Tomás scored a goal in the same game and without even asking him, I could tell that he had the same attitude as me to that game – ye lads can look at this one way, I'm looking at it the other. And if I was David Clarke or Aidan O'Shea or Lee Keegan ahead of this one, that's how I'd be looking at it too. Ye think Rochford is Donegal's trump card over us? Right, let's see about that.
Either way, it's building up to be some battle.
Thanks
Quote from: Tubberman on July 24, 2019, 02:36:08 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 24, 2019, 02:06:16 PM
Will be in Westport the weekend of this match with a few mates
Would it be hard to get tickets would you say? I see they're sold out on gaa.tickets.ie at the moment.
Have never been to any neutral game outside Croker I think.
Capacity seems to be capped at 25k for this (presumably H&S bullshit) so could be tough enough to get tickets.
heard the same,
I am all foe safety and am not an expert on these things, but it used to hold 35k+ years ago.
do the H&C assume everyone is 220 lbs and 6ft 6 inches tall.
Mayo county board deserve some blame as apparently the last day there was only one side of the pitch for entering.
I believe the IRFU put it at 42,000 then GAA H&S brought it down to 38,000.
25,000 is ridiculous.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
I believe the IRFU put it at 42,000 then GAA H&S brought it down to 38,000.
25,000 is ridiculous.
How can somebody just make that decision without being questioned.
Regulation gone crazy, no pushback by Mayo, Connacht council or the GAA.
or dare I say it Mayo elected politicans.
Newbridge or nowhere
Quote from: joemamas on July 24, 2019, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
I believe the IRFU put it at 42,000 then GAA H&S brought it down to 38,000.
25,000 is ridiculous.
How can somebody just make that decision without being questioned.
Regulation gone crazy, no pushback by Mayo, Connacht council or the GAA.
or dare I say it Mayo elected politicans.
As far as I know Croke Park bags the takings for these games throwing the hosting county a few euro to cover expenses.
Doesn't matter what the capacity is, Mayo will make the same out of it, shag all.
My understanding is when it's general admission on the day the capacity has to be reduced by 10 per cent to allow for free movement of people around the ground on match day. According to Croke Park match guidelines, in line with health and safety regulation.
The question is what is the official capacity of MacHale Park? (what it says on Wikipedia isn't official) last year Mayo v Galway had attendance of 29,449 and apart from behind one of the goals it looked fairly full.
Quote from: inthrough on July 24, 2019, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: joemamas on July 24, 2019, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
I believe the IRFU put it at 42,000 then GAA H&S brought it down to 38,000.
25,000 is ridiculous.
How can somebody just make that decision without being questioned.
Regulation gone crazy, no pushback by Mayo, Connacht council or the GAA.
or dare I say it Mayo elected politicans.
As far as I know Croke Park bags the takings for these games throwing the hosting county a few euro to cover expenses.
Doesn't matter what the capacity is, Mayo will make the same out of it, shag all.
Less people in is still less money spent in various different ways, and potentially around the town too
Quote from: joemamas on July 24, 2019, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
I believe the IRFU put it at 42,000 then GAA H&S brought it down to 38,000.
25,000 is ridiculous.
How can somebody just make that decision without being questioned.
Regulation gone crazy, no pushback by Mayo, Connacht council or the GAA.
or dare I say it Mayo elected politicans.
Exactly. An absolute f**king farce. Remember the Galway game last year too. Plenty more room then too. Who decides this? 25,639. Why not round it to 25,640? Heads need examined over this shite carry on.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: inthrough on July 24, 2019, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: joemamas on July 24, 2019, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
I believe the IRFU put it at 42,000 then GAA H&S brought it down to 38,000.
25,000 is ridiculous.
How can somebody just make that decision without being questioned.
Regulation gone crazy, no pushback by Mayo, Connacht council or the GAA.
or dare I say it Mayo elected politicans.
As far as I know Croke Park bags the takings for these games throwing the hosting county a few euro to cover expenses.
Doesn't matter what the capacity is, Mayo will make the same out of it, shag all.
Less people in is still less money spent in various different ways, and potentially around the town too
Very true.
Quote from: inthrough on July 24, 2019, 08:46:24 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: inthrough on July 24, 2019, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: joemamas on July 24, 2019, 06:02:16 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 24, 2019, 05:05:53 PM
I believe the IRFU put it at 42,000 then GAA H&S brought it down to 38,000.
25,000 is ridiculous.
How can somebody just make that decision without being questioned.
Regulation gone crazy, no pushback by Mayo, Connacht council or the GAA.
or dare I say it Mayo elected politicans.
As far as I know Croke Park bags the takings for these games throwing the hosting county a few euro to cover expenses.
Doesn't matter what the capacity is, Mayo will make the same out of it, shag all.
Less people in is still less money spent in various different ways, and potentially around the town too
Very true.
Not sure how big of an impact it is, but if you want to really delve into it then less tickets is less travelling fans, less money for accommodation and business along the route not just cbar.
Health and safety has to be priority. However if McHale Park is reduced to 25, 000 we are bordering on nannyism but unless we know who or what decides this number no point bleating about it.
Looks like we cant have it either way. Half empty Croke Park - no atmosphere. Full provisional ground - not safe.
The game itself? Maybe the next week+ with rest and injury recovery the most important factor.
When was the last time Mayo were underdogs in a Championship match in Castlebar?
Early 00s? Games against Galway's Donnellan. Joyce etc. Matches we left behind iirc.
2002 I'd say Moy, v Galway .
Is capacity reduced due to curtain raiser which means all the crowd going to a limited no. turnstiles around the same time?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 25, 2019, 08:59:39 AM
Is capacity reduced due to curtain raiser which means all the crowd going to a limited no. turnstiles around the same time?
I saw that somewhere alright. H&S comes first but it does seem excessive this summer.
Very much looking forward to this one. All the form would say we should win but Mayo being Mayo they will have a kick in them yet I think. It should be a humdinger. I feel if we are as good on kickouts as we have been so far this summer then that should secure enough possession for us to do it. We've been very economical with our score-taking too for the most part, some poor wides v Kerry but still managed to take most of the chances we created.
I thought Mayo were poor against Meath but at the same time, all they really needed to do was win that match with hopefully no injuries. The 2 week break is big for both teams, for us considering the injuries in the run-up and during the Kerry game, but especially for Mayo with their injury list and just volume of games in the past month or so.
It's set up to be a great one anyway, I think we're doing something special with this squad so I'll stick my neck out and say Donegal by 4.
Any chance of more tickets becoming available or is that it?
Quote from: blanketattack on July 25, 2019, 08:59:39 AM
Is capacity reduced due to curtain raiser which means all the crowd going to a limited no. turnstiles around the same time?
They could have a challenge match between the ballagh rhubarbs and the ballagh rossies, winner takes all ;D
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 27, 2019, 01:44:23 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on July 25, 2019, 08:59:39 AM
Is capacity reduced due to curtain raiser which means all the crowd going to a limited no. turnstiles around the same time?
They could have a challenge match between the ballagh rhubarbs and the ballagh rossies, winner takes all ;D
"They " , who are you talking about. ?
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
If you are good enough you are good enough. All teams should aspire to playing in Croke Park and all teams should aspire to beating Dublin there. The fact that Mayo (should they win) will have played 7 games in 9 weeks is no excuse. They should have a panel well able to cope with injuries, loss of form and suspensions.
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
It's a weird one , the prize is a trimming off a superior team in a semi final with the whole country watching . I'm not sure how you motivate players , I hope we win of course but like I say it's an odd one . Walking out of mchale Park next sat night dreading a semi final after roaring your team on to win only mins before . I think donegal will win as they are playing at a different level to our lads , we are so tired mentally as much as physically it's painful to watch it all unfold . I'm hearing Aidan o s might not be fit to play too and none of the injured players bar paddy Durcan are match fit . If young McHugh gets a few runs at our defense we could be opened for five or six goals .
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
True, but they will have to break sweat sometime. And Donegal are tipped by all and sundry to put it up to the Dubs. I do see where larryin89 is coming from as regards our guys, but anyone saying Donegal are in a bad position is plain wrong imo.
From The Bunker......the case I make has nothing at all to do with whether or not they are good enough or whether or not they aspire to playing in Croke Park. What I'm saying is....the turnaround timescale is ridiculously short to facilitate any meaningful aspect of players mental or physical recovery.
This shouldn't be difficult to understand, and anyone who doesn't share that view I would argue has zero comprehension of how knackered the winners of next Saturday nights contest will be, especially if the game is a cliffhanger as most neutrals expect.
Croke Park my arse. If youse go up there and get a trimming by 20 points with a tired team full of injuries trust me, you'll not be long seeing the imbalance I'm talking about. It's madness frankly!!
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 01:05:35 PM
From The Bunker......the case I make has nothing at all to do with whether or not they are good enough or whether or not they aspire to playing in Croke Park. What I'm saying is....the turnaround timescale is ridiculously short to facilitate any meaningful aspect of players mental or physical recovery.
This shouldn't be difficult to understand, and anyone who doesn't share that view I would argue has zero comprehension of how knackered the winners of next Saturday nights contest will be, especially if the game is a cliffhanger as most neutrals expect.
Croke Park my arse. If youse go up there and get a trimming by 20 points with a tired team full of injuries trust me, you'll not be long seeing the imbalance I'm talking about. It's madness frankly!!
I think that 'From the Bunker ' is being facetious.
Quote from: Halfquarter on July 27, 2019, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 01:05:35 PM
From The Bunker......the case I make has nothing at all to do with whether or not they are good enough or whether or not they aspire to playing in Croke Park. What I'm saying is....the turnaround timescale is ridiculously short to facilitate any meaningful aspect of players mental or physical recovery.
This shouldn't be difficult to understand, and anyone who doesn't share that view I would argue has zero comprehension of how knackered the winners of next Saturday nights contest will be, especially if the game is a cliffhanger as most neutrals expect.
Croke Park my arse. If youse go up there and get a trimming by 20 points with a tired team full of injuries trust me, you'll not be long seeing the imbalance I'm talking about. It's madness frankly!!
I think that 'From the Bunker ' is being facetious.
+1 ;)
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
If you are good enough you are good enough. All teams should aspire to playing in Croke Park and all teams should aspire to beating Dublin there. The fact that Mayo (should they win) will have played 7 games in 9 weeks is no excuse. They should have a panel well able to cope with injuries, loss of form and suspensions.
If Mayo had a lad who could kick a free over he bar from 20 meters, they wouldn't have had to play 7 games in 9 weeks.
Not that playing 7 games in 9 weeks is a hardship. Means way less training, which all the players want. Mayo's problem has been injuries. Most of which happened in training. Maybe Mayo should look at that.
Anyway, in any non Super 8 year, Mayo would be long gone from the championship. Instead they've a home game against an injury riddle Donegal, who's most prolific forward, McBrearty, is going to play on one leg. Yet, they're the moaning myrtles. (Granted unfair of me to lump them all in with desolate ftb. )
Quote from: Hound on July 27, 2019, 09:43:36 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
If you are good enough you are good enough. All teams should aspire to playing in Croke Park and all teams should aspire to beating Dublin there. The fact that Mayo (should they win) will have played 7 games in 9 weeks is no excuse. They should have a panel well able to cope with injuries, loss of form and suspensions.
If Mayo had a lad who could kick a free over he bar from 20 meters, they wouldn't have had to play 7 games in 9 weeks.
Not that playing 7 games in 9 weeks is a hardship. Means way less training, which all the players want. Mayo's problem has been injuries. Most of which happened in training. Maybe Mayo should look at that.
Anyway, in any non Super 8 year, Mayo would be long gone from the championship. Instead they've a home game against an injury riddle Donegal, who's most prolific forward, McBrearty, is going to play on one leg. Yet, they're the moaning myrtles. (Granted unfair of me to lump them all in with desolate ftb. )
Must be great to preach to us from you Ivory tower.
The inter county game is dead. Most of your fans (Dublin) don't even care about it anymore.
Thank god I got rid of the Season ticket. It was a constant issue of disgust the last time i had it in 2017.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 27, 2019, 09:57:23 PM
Thank god I got rid of the Season ticket. It was a constant issue of disgust the last time i had it in 2017.
Ah, well done! You really are amazing.
Give yourself another kiss on your balls. A good self licking.
The Mayo posters are without doubt some of the best, knowledgeable and interesting on this board. You, being a knobhead, are the exception.
And I've noticed that all the decent Mayo posters dont pay the least attention to you and don't suffer your nonsense.
So, I've put you on ignore now, so don't have to read any more of your knobhead ramblings.
You just keep licking yourself. Goodbye!
Quote from: larryin89 on July 27, 2019, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
It's a weird one , the prize is a trimming off a superior team in a semi final with the whole country watching . I'm not sure how you motivate players , I hope we win of course but like I say it's an odd one . Walking out of mchale Park next sat night dreading a semi final after roaring your team on to win only mins before . I think donegal will win as they are playing at a different level to our lads , we are so tired mentally as much as physically it's painful to watch it all unfold . I'm hearing Aidan o s might not be fit to play too and none of the injured players bar paddy Durcan are match fit . If young McHugh gets a few runs at our defense we could be opened for five or six goals .
Plenty of cute hoorism going on here😂 I'd say whichever team gets through this battle will be chomping at the bit to get at the Dubs. Yeah its nowhere near fair the amount of games Mayo have had to play but ffs at the end of the day thats what all players want, no one wants to be training like f**k and having very few games. Best of luck to both teams next weekend hopefully will be a cracker.
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 27, 2019, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 27, 2019, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: bannside on July 27, 2019, 07:29:13 AM
Whichever team emerges from this will have a ridiculously short turnaround time before they are thrown back out again, in all probability physically and mentally knackered, to take on a Dublin team in their own back yard who haven't had to break sweat this year. That's one huge imbalance and regardless of how this came to pass, stands out as the biggest singular failure of the Super 8 experiment. As a neutral I'm really looking forward to this game, but can't see the victors being remotely well placed to do justice the following week.
It's a weird one , the prize is a trimming off a superior team in a semi final with the whole country watching . I'm not sure how you motivate players , I hope we win of course but like I say it's an odd one . Walking out of mchale Park next sat night dreading a semi final after roaring your team on to win only mins before . I think donegal will win as they are playing at a different level to our lads , we are so tired mentally as much as physically it's painful to watch it all unfold . I'm hearing Aidan o s might not be fit to play too and none of the injured players bar paddy Durcan are match fit . If young McHugh gets a few runs at our defense we could be opened for five or six goals .
Plenty of cute hoorism going on here😂 I'd say whichever team gets through this battle will be chomping at the bit to get at the Dubs. Yeah its nowhere near fair the amount of games Mayo have had to play but ffs at the end of the day thats what all players want, no one wants to be training like f**k and having very few games. Best of luck to both teams next weekend hopefully will be a cracker.
Nobody in the Mayo panel/setup have complained about the amount of games, the injuries, the 6 day turnaround, the disadvantages. To be fair, in any fair competition Mayo after losing two games should out on their arse.
And they will be next sat and we can all enjoy the month of August in Mayo stress free.
In Fairness Mayo have had the voodo sign over us in recent years .. since that all ireland. Sent us down to division two last year too (although ironically that seemed to have helped us get a few younger lads into the team and was probably a good thing in the end).
In those games they just played smarter football than us coupled with us not really being able to adapt to any sort of plan b. I think maybe we've become a little more versitile in this last while but who knows.
Mayo up and down this year ,they;ve unearthed a few talented young sharp shooters themselves and Horan is a good manager.
I guess we won't really know what the injury list actually is until team news on the day but i think we can struggle on with or without Mcbreaty but sure in these types of games.... a penalty here or a sending off there good be the telling factor.
If Donegal win it would be better for us if Kerry top the group cause i think the group winners will more than likely play tyrone and here in Donegal were sick of playing tyrone... and im pretty sure the feelings mutual
Quote from: larryin89 on July 27, 2019, 10:58:31 PM
And they will be next sat and we can all enjoy the month of August in Mayo stress free.
I dunno Larry. Actually think Mayo will win this one. In fact they have to. It's as simple as that. We cant think beyond this game. We might get our arses handed us in a semi v Dublin after but this is a stand alone game now. It's at home. We are league champions and Donegal have injury issues as well. There are no excuses on this one. Are we a serious football county or not? You saw what Kerry brought to us in Killarney when they were hurt? You saw what Kilkenny brought to Limerick yesterday when they were questioned/ doubted?
Quote from: moysider on July 28, 2019, 01:29:04 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 27, 2019, 10:58:31 PM
And they will be next sat and we can all enjoy the month of August in Mayo stress free.
I dunno Larry. Actually think Mayo will win this one. In fact they have to. It's as simple as that. We cant think beyond this game. We might get our arses handed us in a semi v Dublin after but this is a stand alone game now. It's at home. We are league champions and Donegal have injury issues as well. There are no excuses on this one. Are we a serious football county or not? You saw what Kerry brought to us in Killarney when they were hurt? You saw what Kilkenny brought to Limerick yesterday when they were questioned/ doubted?
Yes indeed moy. If they bring the same intensity as they did to the Galway game, they have a good chance.
Little or nothing being said about Stephen Roachford. Looks like he has had a positive influence on Donegal. More importantly he know all about Mayo and their weaknesses as he spent three years with us trying to hide or correct them. He knows first hand about Clarkes weak kick outs and about our defensive frailties. This kind of inside knowledge coming into a game like this is gold dust.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
Little or nothing being said about Stephen Roachford. Looks like he has had a positive influence on Donegal. More importantly he know all about Mayo and their weaknesses as he spent three years with us trying to hide or correct them. He knows first hand about Clarkes weak kick outs and about our defensive frailties. This kind of inside knowledge coming into a game like this is gold dust.
You know, when he was with Mayo and had all this knowledge, he dropped David Clarke for an All Ireland final.
His intuition and decision making might not actually be any improvement on that of a supporter
I dunno about what big difference the Rochford factor makes to this game , same was said about Buckley for the Kerry game , what happened to me simply was David Moran won midfield hands down and they made hay on a fine sunny day , if you win midfield thus meaning you then supply a pacey forward line against a tired team , it has nowt to do with Donnie Buckley been on mayo management team previously , it's cause Moran won the aerial battle .
If mayo can find new energy I have no doubt we are capable of winning , I just have this feeling it's harder than people think .
As a supporter I'm wrecked , drinking, traveling , hotels , missing days at work , staying down in Killarney till the tues got the head taken off me by the quare one , it's been a crazy few weeks .
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
Little or nothing being said about Stephen Roachford. Looks like he has had a positive influence on Donegal. More importantly he know all about Mayo and their weaknesses as he spent three years with us trying to hide or correct them. He knows first hand about Clarkes weak kick outs and about our defensive frailties. This kind of inside knowledge coming into a game like this is gold dust.
I think the whole country knows about Clarke's weaknesses and Mayo's defensive frailties at this point. You'd hardly need to be Stephen Rochford to have that worked out.
What he will bring to the table that might be less common knowledge is insider information on their tackling style and how to counteract it, what match ups Mayo are likely to go with and the thinking behind those match ups, the role of their half forward line and how to nullify it.
David Clarke is well sussed at this point, as is Mayo's problem at number 3. They will of course be targeted. It's the other information that Rochford is privy to that Mayo should be concerned about. He knows exactly how Mayo go about winning a game, how they win fouls, the marking style of their key players, what kind of play is likely to throw them off.
Letting a manager swan off to a rival county so soon after managing the current crop of players is a major f**k up by Mayo it has to be said.
Not to mention, I'm sure things were shared in confidence in the dressing room between those Mayo players and Rochford, things that were confided in him about their own personal shortcomings or concerns about their own play, that are no longer being kept between those four walls.
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
Little or nothing being said about Stephen Roachford. Looks like he has had a positive influence on Donegal. More importantly he know all about Mayo and their weaknesses as he spent three years with us trying to hide or correct them. He knows first hand about Clarkes weak kick outs and about our defensive frailties. This kind of inside knowledge coming into a game like this is gold dust.
I think the whole country knows about Clarke's weaknesses and Mayo's defensive frailties at this point. You'd hardly need to be Stephen Rochford to have that worked out.
What he will bring to the table that might be less common knowledge is insider information on their tackling style and how to counteract it, what match ups Mayo are likely to go with and the thinking behind those match ups, the role of their half forward line and how to nullify it.
David Clarke is well sussed at this point, as is Mayo's problem at number 3. They will of course be targeted. It's the other information that Rochford is privy to that Mayo should be concerned about. He knows exactly how Mayo go about winning a game, how they win fouls, the marking style of their key players, what kind of play is likely to throw them off.
Letting a manager swan off to a rival county so soon after managing the current crop of players is a major f**k up by Mayo it has to be said.
+1
He knows the psychology of nearly all the players. Situations they hate.
To tell the truth it must be a strange week for Roachford being on the other side of lads he'd invested three years with.
It's one thing to know that David Clarke is iffy - everyone knows that - it's quite another to know the personal shortcomings of Lee Keegan or Paddy Durcan that are less likely to be public knowledge.
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 11:33:37 AM
It's one thing to know that David Clarke is iffy - everyone knows that - it's quite another to know the personal shortcomings of Lee Keegan or Paddy Durcan that are less likely to be public knowledge.
Lee Keegan's shortcomings won't take long to explain.
What does that even mean , shortcomings ? Keegan will be doing a man marking job and will succeed probably as usual at completely nullifying his opponent.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2019, 02:08:36 PM
What does that even mean , shortcomings ? Keegan will be doing a man marking job and will succeed probably as usual at completely nullifying his opponent.
Every player has something they're not 100% happy with or would like to improve in their game, even Lee Keegan. They would consult with management about this and work on ways to improve. Rochfod would be privy to all of this and would know the various Mayo players insecurities inside out having worked with them only a year ago.
Rochfords knowledge of that team goes way beyond goalkeepers and defensive structures, which is something any manager in the country could analyse and get a handle on. The issue here is that Rochford knows the players personally, he would know things about them that the other managers and the public wouldn't know, things that were discussed and shared with him while he was their manager. He knows those lads too well and you can be sure he's filling in the Donegal management and team.
Sorry but all you're doing here is fulfilling the propaganda of the paid manager. That somehow they have a magical insight that will nullify any opponent. It's absolute f**king nonsense.
Every defender in the noughties knew that Sean Cavanagh would slow down then speed up on his right foot. Yet it was a technique that worked in every game he played in.
Poster above made a great point about the Kerry match. David Moran wasn't vested with some amazing insight into Clarke's kickout patterns. He just had his best ever aerial outing in a Kerry shirt. He probably wouldn't have delivered quite as effective a performance had Seamie O Shea and Tom Parsons been fit for Mayo. But they weren't, and he had things his own way. Absolutely feck all to do with tactics or inside info. Just a player having a good day.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
Sorry but all you're doing here is fulfilling the propaganda of the paid manager. That somehow they have a magical insight that will nullify any opponent. It's absolute f**king nonsense.
Every defender in the noughties knew that Sean Cavanagh would slow down then speed up on his right foot. Yet it was a technique that worked in every game he played in.
Poster above made a great point about the Kerry match. David Moran wasn't vested with some amazing insight into Clarke's kickout patterns. He just had his best ever aerial outing in a Kerry shirt. He probably wouldn't have delivered quite as effective a performance had Seamie O Shea and Tom Parsons been fit for Mayo. But they weren't, and he had things his own way. Absolutely feck all to do with tactics or inside info. Just a player having a good day.
Kerry pushed up on the kick out! This forced Clarke to kick long. His kick out are not long which suited David Moran. This was a tactic! I train a girls team. If tomorrow, I had to manage a team to play them. I'd know the areas to get at them. Why? Because week in week out, I see them and I know where things go wrong for them. I know what sort of ball does not suit certain players. Players are creatures of Habit of how they foul, how they track back, how they can be isolated from the game!
Kerry pushed up on the kickout as for the first time in a decade, they enjoyed an aerial superiority over Mayo, and wanted them to go long. It's also a decade since Mayo 'a full back line have been involved in short kick outs, as such has been their midfield's continued superiority during that time, that there has been no need for "tactical kick outs". So they don't look for space on kick outs like other full back lines do.
This is not a David Clarke problem. It's a Mayo problem, and Hennelly doesn't fix it. Kerry didn't work this out because of Buckley. They worked this out because they'd a look at Mayo's aerial options and realised they could dominate. Moran then got his tail up during the game.
Football is a lot simpler than the likes of you make out. You didn't need inside knowledge to play to your own team's strengths.
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By the way, id love to see a Mayo Kerry AI final. There'd be 2 O'Sheas, Ruane and O'Connor would be on the field, and Mayo could would resume control of midfield again, no matter what plan Kerry come up with.
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
Sorry but all you're doing here is fulfilling the propaganda of the paid manager. That somehow they have a magical insight that will nullify any opponent. It's absolute f**king nonsense.
Every defender in the noughties knew that Sean Cavanagh would slow down then speed up on his right foot. Yet it was a technique that worked in every game he played in.
Poster above made a great point about the Kerry match. David Moran wasn't vested with some amazing insight into Clarke's kickout patterns. He just had his best ever aerial outing in a Kerry shirt. He probably wouldn't have delivered quite as effective a performance had Seamie O Shea and Tom Parsons been fit for Mayo. But they weren't, and he had things his own way. Absolutely feck all to do with tactics or inside info. Just a player having a good day.
And as I said, the insight offered by former managers go beyond kickouts or what player is comfortable kicking off what foot. That's information that anyone can see for themselves by watching a game.
It has nothing to do with "the propaganda of the paid manager", whatever that is supposed to mean.
If you think that a former manager who only managed these players last year and knows all of them personally is not advantageous to the team he is currently working with, then I can't help you.
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
Sorry but all you're doing here is fulfilling the propaganda of the paid manager. That somehow they have a magical insight that will nullify any opponent. It's absolute f**king nonsense.
Every defender in the noughties knew that Sean Cavanagh would slow down then speed up on his right foot. Yet it was a technique that worked in every game he played in.
Poster above made a great point about the Kerry match. David Moran wasn't vested with some amazing insight into Clarke's kickout patterns. He just had his best ever aerial outing in a Kerry shirt. He probably wouldn't have delivered quite as effective a performance had Seamie O Shea and Tom Parsons been fit for Mayo. But they weren't, and he had things his own way. Absolutely feck all to do with tactics or inside info. Just a player having a good day.
And as I said, the insight offered by former managers go beyond kickouts or what player is comfortable kicking off what foot. That's information that anyone can see for themselves by watching a game.
It has nothing to do with "the propaganda of the paid manager", whatever that is supposed to mean. There's nothing magical about it either.
If you think that a former manager who only managed these players last year and knows all of them personally is not advantageous to the team he is currently working with, then I can't help you.
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2019, 03:20:23 PM
Sorry but all you're doing here is fulfilling the propaganda of the paid manager. That somehow they have a magical insight that will nullify any opponent. It's absolute f**king nonsense.
Every defender in the noughties knew that Sean Cavanagh would slow down then speed up on his right foot. Yet it was a technique that worked in every game he played in.
Poster above made a great point about the Kerry match. David Moran wasn't vested with some amazing insight into Clarke's kickout patterns. He just had his best ever aerial outing in a Kerry shirt. He probably wouldn't have delivered quite as effective a performance had Seamie O Shea and Tom Parsons been fit for Mayo. But they weren't, and he had things his own way. Absolutely feck all to do with tactics or inside info. Just a player having a good day.
Give an example then?
And as I said, the insight offered by former managers go beyond kickouts or what player is comfortable kicking off what foot. That's information that anyone can see for themselves by watching a game.
It has nothing to do with "the propaganda of the paid manager", whatever that is supposed to mean. There's nothing magical about it either.
If you think that a former manager who only managed these players last year and knows all of them personally is not advantageous to the team he is currently working with, then I can't help you.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
Little or nothing being said about Stephen Roachford. Looks like he has had a positive influence on Donegal. More importantly he know all about Mayo and their weaknesses as he spent three years with us trying to hide or correct them. He knows first hand about Clarkes weak kick outs and about our defensive frailties. This kind of inside knowledge coming into a game like this is gold dust.
The national and probably Mayo media and pundits etc will talk up the Rochford "influence" if Donegal win this game.
At the moment not a lot to be said because Donegal are in the same position right now as they were last year and if they lose this round 3 tie like they did last year they really haven't progressed/improved at all.
I think this game is all set up for a Mayo win but if they are good enough to win it remains to seen if they do it wouldn't surprise me if David Clarke pulls off a number of match winning saves.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 28, 2019, 06:23:59 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
Little or nothing being said about Stephen Roachford. Looks like he has had a positive influence on Donegal. More importantly he know all about Mayo and their weaknesses as he spent three years with us trying to hide or correct them. He knows first hand about Clarkes weak kick outs and about our defensive frailties. This kind of inside knowledge coming into a game like this is gold dust.
The national and probably Mayo media and pundits etc will talk up the Rochford "influence" if Donegal win this game.
At the moment not a lot to be said because Donegal are in the same position right now as they were last year and if they lose this round 3 tie like they did last year they really haven't progressed/improved at all.
I think this game is all set up for a Mayo win but if they are good enough to win it remains to seen if they do it wouldn't surprise me if David Clarke pulls off a number of match winning saves.
I struggle sometimes understanding what the actual meaning of certain cliches or phrases or whatever they're called so can you explain what you mean by "you think this game is all set up for a mayo win "
Quote from: larryin89 on July 28, 2019, 06:38:59 PM
I struggle sometimes understanding what the actual meaning of certain cliches or phrases or whatever they’re called so can you explain what you mean by “you think this game is all set up for a mayo win “
Two week break for rest and recovery and loads of time do homework on Donegal. Horan's panel will be likely be boosted by the return of a few players.
Home advantage is better than having to travel to Ballyfofey for a win.
This round 3 tie is basically All Ireland quarter final and when did Mayo last lose one of those games? Donegal haven't won a quarter final since 2014.
Out of interest are you still playing the reverse psychology with your match views on this threads?
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
Letting a manager swan off to a rival county so soon after managing the current crop of players is a major f**k up by Mayo it has to be said.
As a matter of interest, what do you think should be done to stop such a situation?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 28, 2019, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
Letting a manager swan off to a rival county so soon after managing the current crop of players is a major f**k up by Mayo it has to be said.
As a matter of interest, what do you think should be done to stop such a situation?
There isn't much that can be done admittedly, but the mayo county board seem to have a bad habit of ending managerial contracts on bad terms. To my memory, they didn't get along too well with James Horan either in his first tenure. Horan never went to help out a rival county luckily for them.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 28, 2019, 07:53:22 PM
Quote from: WhoDat on July 28, 2019, 11:18:05 AM
Letting a manager swan off to a rival county so soon after managing the current crop of players is a major f**k up by Mayo it has to be said.
As a matter of interest, what do you think should be done to stop such a situation?
Make them the joint manager of the U20 or U17 squad or have them sign a non-compete when they take the job (which would be impossible to enforce)
A hash of a championship if a team who has lost 2 games makes an All Ireland semi final.
Quote from: Rudi on July 28, 2019, 08:49:29 PM
A hash of a championship if a team who has lost 2 games makes an All Ireland semi final.
They won't make a semi final .
Are you from Roscommon?
Quote from: Rudi on July 28, 2019, 08:49:29 PM
A hash of a championship if a team who has lost 2 games makes an All Ireland semi final.
Of course it is! Add to that a group of amateur players asked to tog out 6 out of 7 weeks and not even in a AI semi final! Many who are carrying injuries.
Jez, we had a Kerry team in 1980 who had to only play 3 games to win an AI.
Two weeks ago I would have bet the ranch on Donegal in this game.
Now I think it will be toss up.
Was at the game last weekend rewatched them two nights ago.
Donegal V Kerry just seemed so much faster and was better skill level,
However,
For Donegal midfielder Magee has to be very very doubtful if not out, hamstring.
Other midfield McFadden came off hurt 5-7 minutes into second half, doubt if he will be fully fit for Saturday.
Throw in Paddy Mcbrearty who obviously hurt his hamstring, he pulled up a bit in the 62nd minute, did not touch the ball for the remaining 8 minutes, and 4 or 5 of injury time. In fact he was doing his utmost to stay away from the ball.
Donegal #2 also went off with an apparent injury,
So throw those plus Owen Ban Gallagher into the doubtful/out category and things have evened up a bit.
Still fancy Donegal, as Mayo at times looked shagged, two or three minutes to go in first half,
AOS gave a pass around midfield under the hoganstand, I looked up there were four Mayo players hands on hips walking towards the 70 yard lone, not one of them able to run on in support.
The actual line outs may tell the tale.
It should be an incredible occasion despite the best efforts of the overzealous H&C
Quote from: thewobbler on July 28, 2019, 03:54:45 PM
Kerry pushed up on the kickout as for the first time in a decade, they enjoyed an aerial superiority over Mayo, and wanted them to go long. It's also a decade since Mayo 'a full back line have been involved in short kick outs, as such has been their midfield's continued superiority during that time, that there has been no need for "tactical kick outs". So they don't look for space on kick outs like other full back lines do.
This is not a David Clarke problem. It's a Mayo problem, and Hennelly doesn't fix it. Kerry didn't work this out because of Buckley. They worked this out because they'd a look at Mayo's aerial options and realised they could dominate. Moran then got his tail up during the game.
Football is a lot simpler than the likes of you make out. You didn't need inside knowledge to play to your own team's strengths.
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By the way, id love to see a Mayo Kerry AI final. There'd be 2 O'Sheas, Ruane and O'Connor would be on the field, and Mayo could would resume control of midfield again, no matter what plan Kerry come up with.
Couldn't agree more.
I don't think Cluxton would have more success with his kickouts that day if he was in Clarke's shoes. Mayo management didn't pull their weight either. I bet Cluxton has some covert system of signals to let the outfielders know in advance where the kickout is going to go before he takes it. Same as in rugby when the hooker uses code to let his jumpers know where he is going to throw the ball.
No Mayo half back or midfielder were showing fo the ball when Clarke did his run up to the ball. All were standing still. Kerry were reacting faster and crucially standing a step or two behind their markers so if the ball was to come their way. they'd be able to time their jump and this worked every time and their Mayo counterparts never copped this on.
Donegal to win this one handy. Mayo were bloody awful against Meath.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 28, 2019, 10:10:59 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 28, 2019, 08:49:29 PM
A hash of a championship if a team who has lost 2 games makes an All Ireland semi final.
Of course it is! Add to that a group of amateur players asked to tog out 6 out of 7 weeks and not even in a AI semi final! Many who are carrying injuries.
Jez, we had a Kerry team in 1980 who had to only play 3 games to win an AI.
I agree, very unfair.
Quote from: ck on July 29, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
Donegal to win this one handy. Mayo were bloody awful against Meath.
Therein lies the paradox. Despite playing like absolute muck all year, they are in with a 50/50 chance of making the semi final. We all know they are well capable of putting it up to the best teams in the country if everything clicks. So far in 2019, they haven't clicked-they've creaked
Quote from: joemamas on July 29, 2019, 12:07:12 AM
Two weeks ago I would have bet the ranch on Donegal in this game.
Now I think it will be toss up.
Was at the game last weekend rewatched them two nights ago.
Donegal V Kerry just seemed so much faster and was better skill level,
However,
For Donegal midfielder Magee has to be very very doubtful if not out, hamstring.
Other midfield McFadden came off hurt 5-7 minutes into second half, doubt if he will be fully fit for Saturday.
Throw in Paddy Mcbrearty who obviously hurt his hamstring, he pulled up a bit in the 62nd minute, did not touch the ball for the remaining 8 minutes, and 4 or 5 of injury time. In fact he was doing his utmost to stay away from the ball.
Donegal #2 also went off with an apparent injury,
So throw those plus Owen Ban Gallagher into the doubtful/out category and things have evened up a bit.
Still fancy Donegal, as Mayo at times looked shagged, two or three minutes to go in first half,
AOS gave a pass around midfield under the hoganstand, I looked up there were four Mayo players hands on hips walking towards the 70 yard lone, not one of them able to run on in support.
The actual line outs may tell the tale.
It should be an incredible occasion despite the best efforts of the overzealous H&C
Quote from: ck on July 29, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
Donegal to win this one handy. Mayo were bloody awful against Meath.
I agree with the last part, and if the Meath #13 had taken an easy score to put them up by 3 in the second half, we would not be having this conversation.
however, If the players mentioned above, (two midfielders, and arguably their most accurate forward)don't start, would you feel the same.
Pre match entertainment has been announced, with people now coming in earlier for that does it allow for the increased capacity of 30k?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Pre match entertainment has been announced, with people now coming in earlier for that does it allow for the increased capacity of 30k?
what is it, celebrity (RTE' announcers) boxing match.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Pre match entertainment has been announced, with people now coming in earlier for that does it allow for the increased capacity of 30k?
Who's on before the game?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 29, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Pre match entertainment has been announced, with people now coming in earlier for that does it allow for the increased capacity of 30k?
Who's on before the game?
https://twitter.com/mayogaa/status/1155807683469107200?s=21
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 29, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Pre match entertainment has been announced, with people now coming in earlier for that does it allow for the increased capacity of 30k?
Who's on before the game?
https://twitter.com/mayogaa/status/1155807683469107200?s=21
Hope there's increased capacity. Can't see it breaking the 30k mark though.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 29, 2019, 03:13:02 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on July 29, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Pre match entertainment has been announced, with people now coming in earlier for that does it allow for the increased capacity of 30k?
Who's on before the game?
https://twitter.com/mayogaa/status/1155807683469107200?s=21
Hope there's increased capacity. Can't see it breaking the 30k mark though.
Wasn't the word that a double header would allow for 30k because everyone wouldn't get there at the same time
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 29, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Pre match entertainment has been announced
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Quote from: ck on July 29, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
Donegal to win this one handy. Mayo were bloody awful against Meath.
As a reminder Donegal and Mayo both beat Meath by 9 points. Mayo scored 2-17 while Donegal scored 2-19.
Donegal at home v Meath. 57 mins played Meath 1-12 Donegal 1-11
Mayo in Croke park v Meath. 54 mins played Meath 0-12 Mayo 0-11
We are 13/8 outsiders in a game we are playing at home . I'm not sure why people are shocked even offended when we some of us think we will be beat . On 2019 championship form I can't see how a case can even be made tbh , Roscommon beat us at home , Armagh should of beaten us , we are so poor in McHale park it's ridiculous for a start
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 29, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
Quote from: ck on July 29, 2019, 11:41:28 AM
Donegal to win this one handy. Mayo were bloody awful against Meath.
As a reminder Donegal and Mayo both beat Meath by 9 points. Mayo scored 2-17 while Donegal scored 2-19.
Donegal at home v Meath. 57 mins played Meath 1-12 Donegal 1-11
Mayo in Croke park v Meath. 54 mins played Meath 0-12 Mayo 0-11
It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
We are 13/8 outsiders in a game we are playing at home . I'm not sure why people are shocked even offended when we some of us think we will be beat . On 2019 championship form I can't see how a case can even be made tbh , Roscommon beat us at home , Armagh should of beaten us , we are so poor in McHale park it's ridiculous for a start
A lot depends on how injuries will affect the line ups on the day.
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
we are so poor in McHale park it's ridiculous for a start
Outside of Connacht championship games am i right in saying that Mayo have never lost a championship game in MacHale Park? of course a record that could stay this weekend with a draw.
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2019, 09:23:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
we are so poor in McHale park it's ridiculous for a start
Outside of Connacht championship games am i right in saying that Mayo have never lost a championship game in MacHale Park? of course a record that could stay this weekend with a draw.
Why what where , I just don't get why people do that , McHale park pitch does not suit this mayo outfit that is the truth . Some stats in Gaa are very misguided , like take some of the qualifier games against lower division the last three years at McHale park , Derry , Fermanagh , Kildare , Armagh etc none easy , some we could of easily lost but put them games in croker and I very much doubt we would of struggled like we did.
I repeat myself , the dimensions of McHale park does not favour our present team . Do ya think we would been able to run at Galway like we did in Limerick if it had of been in Castlebar, no chance .
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 29, 2019, 09:23:53 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 29, 2019, 09:17:56 PM
we are so poor in McHale park it's ridiculous for a start
Outside of Connacht championship games am i right in saying that Mayo have never lost a championship game in MacHale Park? of course a record that could stay this weekend with a draw.
Why what where , I just don't get why people do that , McHale park pitch does not suit this mayo outfit that is the truth . Some stats in Gaa are very misguided , like take some of the qualifier games against lower division the last three years at McHale park , Derry , Fermanagh , Kildare , Armagh etc none easy , some we could of easily lost but put them games in croker and I very much doubt we would of struggled like we did.
I repeat myself , the dimensions of McHale park does not favour our present team . Do ya think we would been able to run at Galway like we did in Limerick if it had of been in Castlebar, no chance .
You can put that theory to bed because the pitch is Limerick is the same size as Castlebar.
No it's not , Google is telling ya lies
Any tickets anywhere for this?? Need 2!
Rumours going around that McBrearty is a serious doubt for Saturday.
Quote from: J70 on July 31, 2019, 01:42:05 AM
Rumours going around that McBrearty is a serious doubt for Saturday.
Quote from: joemamas on July 29, 2019, 12:07:12 AM
Two weeks ago I would have bet the ranch on Donegal in this game.
Now I think it will be toss up.
Was at the game last weekend rewatched them two nights ago.
Donegal V Kerry just seemed so much faster and was better skill level,
However,
For Donegal midfielder Magee has to be very very doubtful if not out, hamstring.
Other midfield McFadden came off hurt 5-7 minutes into second half, doubt if he will be fully fit for Saturday.
Throw in Paddy Mcbrearty who obviously hurt his hamstring, he pulled up a bit in the 62nd minute, did not touch the ball for the remaining 8 minutes, and 4 or 5 of injury time. In fact he was doing his utmost to stay away from the ball.
Donegal #2 also went off with an apparent injury,
So throw those plus Owen Ban Gallagher into the doubtful/out category and things have evened up a bit.
Still fancy Donegal, as Mayo at times looked shagged, two or three minutes to go in first half,
AOS gave a pass around midfield under the hoganstand, I looked up there were four Mayo players hands on hips walking towards the 70 yard lone, not one of them able to run on in support.
The actual line outs may tell the tale.
It should be an incredible occasion despite the best efforts of the overzealous H&C
Should not be a shock that he is doubtful
Its not, but we were hopeful he would be all right.
If that news is coming from the Donegal camp then I would put the house on him being fine & lining out.
Anyone have the Dara O'Se article from today, subscriber only
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Cast off?
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 31, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
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Cast off?
All the Mayo lads getting free cars? Wish we had that luxury in kerry. Seanie O'Shea was driving his mother car when met him in Kenmare last week. That was a 93 Ford Cortina. Doubt he make Killarney in that.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 31, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
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Cast off?
No still light one on there . He won't feature in 2019
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 31, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 31, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
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Cast off?
All the Mayo lads getting free cars? Wish we had that luxury in kerry. Seanie O'Shea was driving his mother car when met him in Kenmare last week. That was a 93 Ford Cortina. Doubt he make Killarney in that.
Yerra David Clifford in his free Mazda or David Moran in his free Kia would be able to give poor Seanie a lift anywhere in the luxury he deserves!! ;) Or Maybe Seanie is a vintage car enthusiast and the vintage road tax is a great cost saving?? ;D
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 31, 2019, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 31, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 31, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
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Cast off?
All the Mayo lads getting free cars? Wish we had that luxury in kerry. Seanie O'Shea was driving his mother car when met him in Kenmare last week. That was a 93 Ford Cortina. Doubt he make Killarney in that.
Yerra David Clifford in his free Mazda or David Moran in his free Kia would be able to give poor Seanie a lift anywhere in the luxury he deserves!! ;) Or Maybe Seanie is a vintage car enthusiast and the vintage road tax is a great cost saving?? ;D
Have you picture of the lads with cars?
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 31, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on July 31, 2019, 12:42:01 PM
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 31, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam14 on July 31, 2019, 11:16:56 AM
https://www.facebook.com/JJBurkeCarSales/photos/a.604463539567886/2824914937522724?type=3&sfns=mo
Cast off?
All the Mayo lads getting free cars? Wish we had that luxury in kerry. Seanie O'Shea was driving his mother car when met him in Kenmare last week. That was a 93 Ford Cortina. Doubt he make Killarney in that.
Yerra David Clifford in his free Mazda or David Moran in his free Kia would be able to give poor Seanie a lift anywhere in the luxury he deserves!! ;) Or Maybe Seanie is a vintage car enthusiast and the vintage road tax is a great cost saving?? ;D
Have you picture of the lads with cars?
With his name on it as well!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dyq2cR6WsAAkhFV?format=jpg&name=small)
They'll be well matched this weekend as a lot of the Donegal squad all drive round in sponsored cars too. There was a pic knocking around of the Dublin car park of 30 same cars. Surprised Kerry are not on this same gravy train.
(http://www.mce.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/McElligots-_-David-Moran-2.jpg)
Seanie O'Shea driving his mother car when kerryforsam19 met him in Kenmare last week, must feel like Billy no mates! ;D
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2019, 01:08:06 PM
Seanie O'Shea driving his mother car when kerryforsam19 met him in Kenmare last week, must feel like Billy no mates! ;D
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 31, 2019, 01:01:49 PM
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I don't see them behind the wheel. That just photos beside a vehicle.
Seriously...that idiot kerryforsam19 is better ignored. How Kerry has any relevance to this thread is beyond me.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 31, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
Seriously...that idiot kerryforsam19 is better ignored. How Kerry has any relevance to this thread is beyond me.
If nothing to contribute don't post.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 31, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
Seriously...that idiot kerryforsam19 is better ignored. How Kerry has any relevance to this thread is beyond me.
+1
he is a complete idiot.
Getting very nervous the closer we get to throw-in. Hopefully most of our injuries have cleared up but I would be surprised if McBrearty starts from what I'm hearing. Would be a massive loss but if Jason McGee and Hugh McFadden are both fit that is a big plus as it allows Murphy to play further up the field.
Quote from: joemamas on July 31, 2019, 03:22:49 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 31, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
Seriously...that idiot kerryforsam19 is better ignored. How Kerry has any relevance to this thread is beyond me.
+1
he is a complete idiot.
Joseph less of the personal abuse please. I hope you don't speak all women like that. Deep breaths....
Indo reporting today that Keith Higgins and Paddy Durcan are fit for Saturday, while Diarmuid O'Connor is in contention to make an appearance, too soon for Mattie Ruane though.
http://www.mce.ie/uncategorized/mcelligotts-brand-ambassador-david-moran
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on July 31, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 31, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
Seriously...that idiot kerryforsam19 is better ignored. How Kerry has any relevance to this thread is beyond me.
If nothing to contribute don't post.
Take your own advice
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 31, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
Seriously...that idiot kerryforsam19 is better ignored. How Kerry has any relevance to this thread is beyond me.
Better put the question to FTB.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on July 31, 2019, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 31, 2019, 02:20:11 PM
Seriously...that idiot kerryforsam19 is better ignored. How Kerry has any relevance to this thread is beyond me.
Better put the question to FTB.
Apologies ....... took the bait!
Quote from: bucko on July 31, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
Indo reporting today that Keith Higgins and Paddy Durcan are fit for Saturday, while Diarmuid O'Connor is in contention to make an appearance, too soon for Mattie Ruane though.
Good news, would love to see both sides as close to full strength as possible.
Darragh Ó Sé
about 10 hours ago
When you're around long enough, you get to hear everything eventually. I thought I was long past being surprised by anything in football. But then I heard Peter Canavan saying he reckoned Tyrone should be trying to keep a bit up their sleeve when they play Dublin on Sunday. And do you know what's worse? I think he might even believe it!
I had to laugh for a second when I heard it. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that about Kerry if they were in Tyrone's position? It would be all 'cute-hoor' this and 'yerra' that. Would anybody take it seriously? Not for a second.
And rightly so. Because it doesn't make any sense. Now, Canavan is a smart operator and he's very close to Mickey Harte. He knows the scene above in Tyrone better than anyone and he knows what they have and what they're capable of. Ordinarily, I would never disagree with him when it comes to Tyrone because he obviously knows more about them than I ever will. I don't actually doubt that he's sincere, either.
The idea is basic enough – Tyrone might meet Dublin in an All-Ireland final, all going well, so you want to keep your best stuff for the biggest day. Partly as well, it would be driven by the feeling that while you might catch the Dubs once, you'll hardly do it twice. And when it comes to deciding who you get in a semi-final, there's not much between the teams coming from the other group so it doesn't really make any odds whether you finish top or second.
But I just think there's a basic flaw in the thinking here. All that stuff would be fine and you'd nearly see the sense in it if you were talking about a game between equals. If it was a pair of teams that regularly beat each other or there was only a kick of a ball between them, then you'd be right to keep a bit up your sleeve for later on down the line.
That's not the case here though. Thinking like that seriously overestimates where Tyrone stand in regards to the Dubs. They've been able to compete with them in the league over the past few years but their championship record against them has been bad for a long time.
Mickey Harte hasn't beaten Dublin in the championship since 2008. They have a string of defeats against them going back five games in eight years. There isn't a player in the Tyrone panel who has been on a winning team against the Dubs when it mattered. If they're ever going to turn it around, they have to first win a game. Any game.
Tyrone have been reminded again and again and again where they stand. They have a distance to make up on a Dublin team that looks to be getting stronger and younger and better every year. Holding something back against them is a luxury Tyrone can't afford.
Right now, the problem most teams have playing Dublin is first and foremost about belief. Who really believes they can beat them? There are four teams left who can win the All-Ireland apart from Dublin and none of them have beaten Dublin in the championship in five years. Mayo are the only ones who have come close – and I'd guess that as a result, they have the most belief of anyone.
Tyrone don't have that belief. You only have to go back to last year's All-Ireland final to see it, clear as day. Tyrone made the most perfect start you could imagine to that game. They went 0-5 to 0-1 ahead after 17 minutes and they had Dublin where they wanted them. But all it took was one bad kick-out from Niall Morgan and everything fell to pieces.
Dublin outscored them 2-6 to 0-1 between then and half-time. Any belief Tyrone had in the idea that they might beat the Dubs just popped like a bubble. That's not me making a judgment – Colm Cavanagh was their best player and he said it himself after the game.
"You aim to start every game fast," Cavanagh said. "So yeah, that was what we aimed for in the first 20 minutes. But I think we actually were in a wee bit of shock that it had gone that well. The scores were going over, we were kicking the ball in and winning the play. Everything that you dream of starting an All-Ireland final was happening. But maybe that came with a little bit of a shock. It's hard to put your finger on it.
"Probably the hardest thing to take is that we were taking shots on from angles we shouldn't have been doing, we were taking the wrong choices. If we had kept playing Dublin at their own game, keeping the ball properly and making them come out at us, we could have been in such a better position. But it's hard to get that message about when the place is rocking and things are going against you. It's very hard to get the message around to be smart."
I agree with Cavanagh, 100 per cent. It's very hard to be smart – but that's where experience comes in. Everybody who ever played football has been on the pitch while the opposition is getting a run on you. We've all had to endure it, some of us have had to endure it in Croke Park with the whole country watching. And the one thing I can say for certain is that unless you have belief, you have no chance of turning it around.
Now, belief is a hard thing to define and a harder thing to get. There's no foolproof way to develop it. It's a gradual thing that builds over time. But if you're after spending your whole intercounty career losing to a certain team, belief is unlikely to suddenly wash over you in Croke Park on All-Ireland final day while they are outscoring you by 2-6 to 0-1 in the space of 20 minutes.
The only place to start is with brass tacks. Tyrone don't necessarily need to beat Dublin on Sunday but they need to get into a game with them. They need to be there fighting out a finish with them in the last five minutes. Not one of those games where they tack on late points to make the scoreline look like it had been a contest. An honest-to-God battle, whatever the result ends up being.
Most of all, they need to get that feeling in the dressingroom afterwards where everyone knows it without having to say it. No forced speeches. No bull*. No sob stories. Just that growing belief. We had them. We were able to live with them. Now, we build on it.
In a way, Tyrone are blessed to have Dublin in a game like this. Don't mind what anyone says about it being a dead rubber. The Dubs don't do dead rubbers. That's not how they go about things. It won't be a case of sitting down afterwards and going, 'Ah sure Dublin didn't try a leg.' Whatever Tyrone get out of this game, they will know they earned it.
That's why I can't see them doing anything other than pulling out all the stops. If you're very lucky, you get two chances like this in a year to test yourself against the best in the land and find out where you are. Most years, you won't even get one. It would be silly to waste it by shadow boxing.
Even if it wasn't Dublin, Tyrone should be going all-in on Sunday. There's three games left to win an All-Ireland. This whole thing is over for the year in four and a half weeks. You're either in or you're out at this stage. If you risk going half-hearted at it this Sunday, you have only a week to ramp it back up again for the semi-final. It might be possible but it's hardly ideal.
Galway weren't able to manage it last year. They got it into their heads that they didn't have to go full-bore against Monaghan in the last Super-8s game because they had already beaten Kerry and Kildare. You could see it that night in Salthill – they were so static and so passive that they got over-run. In the back of their heads, they had a safety net and it showed.
But sure what good was it to them? A week later they went up against the Dubs in Croke Park and could hardly get out of the blocks. They never landed a glove and Dublin beat them in third gear. They looked nothing like the Galway team that had pushed Dublin all the way in the league final earlier in the year – or even the one that won those Super-8s games. When it came right down to it, they weren't able to flick a switch and get back up to speed.
I don't see any reason for Tyrone to risk the same thing happening to them. Let's say they hold something back, what then? Dublin come to Omagh and beat them by 10 or 12 points and they go away telling themselves that's not a true reflection of where they stand. I don't see what use that is to them. I just see it as a waste of a game.
To my mind, Tyrone need to go out with the intention of taking an almighty cut off Dublin on Sunday and forget about trying to be too cute about it. It probably won't be enough – I see them as being a fair bit off them even at their best – but that's not the point. You have to walk before you can run.
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Mayo v Donegal ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 31, 2019, 11:54:47 PM
Quote from: bucko on July 31, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
Indo reporting today that Keith Higgins and Paddy Durcan are fit for Saturday, while Diarmuid O'Connor is in contention to make an appearance, too soon for Mattie Ruane though.
Good news, would love to see both sides as close to full strength as possible.
We will not have a clue until before throw in.
You have rumours coming out of Donegal about McBrearty not playing at the same time as Bonner is saying he hopes they'll all be fit except Eoghan Ban. Is it really likely that all of the other five players who either missed or got injured during the Kerry game will all be fit and ready for a game of this intensity?
Quote from: J70 on August 01, 2019, 02:07:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on July 31, 2019, 11:54:47 PM
Quote from: bucko on July 31, 2019, 04:24:00 PM
Indo reporting today that Keith Higgins and Paddy Durcan are fit for Saturday, while Diarmuid O'Connor is in contention to make an appearance, too soon for Mattie Ruane though.
Good news, would love to see both sides as close to full strength as possible.
We will not have a clue until before throw in.
You have rumours coming out of Donegal about McBrearty not playing at the same time as Bonner is saying he hopes they'll all be fit except Eoghan Ban. Is it really likely that all of the other five players who either missed or got injured during the Kerry game will all be fit and ready for a game of this intensity?
Disgrace that some of these players have to play an AI semi the following week! Crazy! No respect for the player!
Would you mind putting together your plan for the season? The reason the IC season is like this is because people said they want more IC games between the top teams but more time for club games. Have any IC players come out and complained about regular games? I haven't heard any but maybe there are?
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2019, 12:02:06 AM
Would you mind putting together your plan for the season? The reason the IC season is like this is because people said they want more IC games between the top teams but more time for club games. Have any IC players come out and complained about regular games? I haven't heard any but maybe there are?
I still don't get that ic link with club in the context of for example Galway are out of the championship a while now and I bet there still hasn't been any club championship played ?
It's a complete farce , clubs love to have a moan but it's just rubbish outside the top fourish . It doesn't add up
Possibly. But that's a county board issue. The demand was to shorten the IC season and that has been done. What counties do with their club championships is up to them.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2019, 12:07:09 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2019, 12:02:06 AM
Would you mind putting together your plan for the season? The reason the IC season is like this is because people said they want more IC games between the top teams but more time for club games. Have any IC players come out and complained about regular games? I haven't heard any but maybe there are?
I still don't get that ic link with club in the context of for example Galway are out of the championship a while now and I bet there still hasn't been any club championship played ?
It's a complete farce , clubs love to have a moan but it's just rubbish outside the top fourish . It doesn't add up
No championship but the league is nearly wrapped up with fairly regular rounds during the summer. Last championship round was late June, no games in July or first week of August, back on the weekend of 10th/11th and will go every second weekend with the hurling on the alternative weekend after that. Seems to suit a lot of clubs with players gone to America for the summer. That'll probably have to change next year when the club championship is meant to be finished in the calendar year.
Quote from: larryin89 on August 02, 2019, 12:07:09 AM
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2019, 12:02:06 AM
Would you mind putting together your plan for the season? The reason the IC season is like this is because people said they want more IC games between the top teams but more time for club games. Have any IC players come out and complained about regular games? I haven't heard any but maybe there are?
I still don't get that ic link with club in the context of for example Galway are out of the championship a while now and I bet there still hasn't been any club championship played ?
It's a complete farce , clubs love to have a moan but it's just rubbish outside the top fourish . It doesn't add up
I don't know what happens elsewhere but here in Donegal the league is going strong every week, including a full programme of games for Sunday, so everyone is getting plenty of summer football.
Everybody happy here.
Strong rumour that Clarkie is gone with sore ribs?
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2019, 12:00:08 PM
Strong rumour that Clarkie is gone with sore ribs?
If that's true, I'll have to revisit my prediction thread.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2019, 12:00:08 PM
Strong rumour that Clarkie is gone with sore ribs?
If that's true, I'll have to revisit my prediction thread.
Mayo by 6 now?
Quote from: Tubberman on August 02, 2019, 12:53:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2019, 12:00:08 PM
Strong rumour that Clarkie is gone with sore ribs?
If that's true, I'll have to revisit my prediction thread.
Mayo by 6 now?
It's usually the opposition that gets a six point start when Hennelly is in goals though!!
Hearing Regan, Treacy and Murray played club last night.
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2019, 01:32:51 PM
Hearing Regan, Treacy and Murray played club last night.
Surprised about Treacy if true. Probably means Diarmuid O'Connor is in the 26.
Hopefully this time next year we will have developed an alternative goalie to Clark and Hennelly, both good servants but a complete distraction now for most games. If we could find someone with Clarke's brain and hands and Hennelly's legs it would be ideal.
Finding it very hard to come across any pundits/analysts predicting a Donegal win.
On my way to Castlebar now and stuff the begrudgers!
Beginning to get that revved up feeling... can't be fully confident though until Farr predicts the mother of all hammerings for us. :D
C'mon Farr..give us a break and go for broke!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 02, 2019, 02:30:24 PM
On my way to Castlebar now and stuff the begrudgers!
Beginning to get that revved up feeling... can't be fully confident though until Farr predicts the mother of all hammerings for us. :D
C'mon Farr..give us a break and go for broke!
At least you'll be sure of a good seat going in this early Lar ;D
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Quote from: Randy on August 02, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Would have to wonder who is the mole in the current Mayo senior set up leaking this news to the Con telegraph.?
Same paper has Parsons in the 26.
Quote from: Zulu on August 02, 2019, 12:15:45 AM
Possibly. But that's a county board issue. The demand was to shorten the IC season and that has been done. What counties do with their club championships is up to them.
It's not entirely though. It needs to fit with the provincial calendar. Counties could finish early but then their champions would be at a disadvantage as they would lose match sharpness.
I'm from Antrim so it's not like we ever need to wait round for the county but every bloody year the finals are in October. It's not our county board's fault to be fair to them. Relevant in vast majority of counties.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 02, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Randy on August 02, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Would have to wonder who is the mole in the current Mayo senior set up leaking this news to the Con telegraph.?
You'd definitely wonder alright. The meath match was the first one in ages that hadn't been leaked
Doubt that team will start mind you, at least 2 changes
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 02, 2019, 07:35:10 PM
Same paper has Parsons in the 26.
The boost that was needed. What a man .
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 02, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Randy on August 02, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Would have to wonder who is the mole in the current Mayo senior set up leaking this news to the Con telegraph.?
You'd definitely wonder alright. The meath match was the first one in ages that hadn't been leaked
Doubt that team will start mind you, at least 2 changes
I'd be taking any of those leaked teams with a pinch of salt, myself.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 02, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Randy on August 02, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Would have to wonder who is the mole in the current Mayo senior set up leaking this news to the Con telegraph.?
You'd definitely wonder alright. The meath match was the first one in ages that hadn't been leaked
Doubt that team will start mind you, at least 2 changes
I wonder who was on holiday for that match. That would be the rat!!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 02, 2019, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 02, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Randy on August 02, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Would have to wonder who is the mole in the current Mayo senior set up leaking this news to the Con telegraph.?
You'd definitely wonder alright. The meath match was the first one in ages that hadn't been leaked
Doubt that team will start mind you, at least 2 changes
I'd be taking any of those leaked teams with a pinch of salt, myself.
That's the starting 15 on the programme but of course there will be changes. Higgins and Durcan will start anyway.
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 02, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 02, 2019, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 02, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Randy on August 02, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Would have to wonder who is the mole in the current Mayo senior set up leaking this news to the Con telegraph.?
You'd definitely wonder alright. The meath match was the first one in ages that hadn't been leaked
Doubt that team will start mind you, at least 2 changes
I'd be taking any of those leaked teams with a pinch of salt, myself.
That's the starting 15 on the programme but of course there will be changes. Higgins and Durcan will start anyway.
I dunno? If McLoughlin isn't injured I can't imagine him not starting?
Anyone worked out what the permutation is that would allow both these teams to qualify? (however unlikely!)
Quote from: Hound on August 03, 2019, 07:28:54 AM
Anyone worked out what the permutation is that would allow both these teams to qualify? (however unlikely!)
Meath to beat Kerry by 3 and Mayo to win by 1.
Quote from: moysider on August 02, 2019, 11:38:21 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on August 02, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 02, 2019, 09:38:30 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 02, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 02, 2019, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: Randy on August 02, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Mayo All-Star goalkeeper David Clarke has been ruled out of the crucial Mayo versus Donegal Super 8s game in Elverys MacHale Park tomorrow evening (Saturday) at 6 p.m.
Clarke picked up an injury in training and his place between the posts will be taken by Robert Hennelly for this winner-takes-all clash.
Donal Vaughan has also picked up an injury and is not in the named starting 15.
While Patrick Durcan, Keith Higgins, Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor are not named in the team, it is expected that Durcan, Higgins and Ruane will be on the bench. There is still a slight worry about Diarmuid O'Connor.
The Mayo team is as follows: R. Hennelly, C. Barrett, B. Harrison, E. O'Donoghue, L. Keegan, C. Boyle, S. Coen, S. O'Shea, A. O'Shea, F. McDonagh, J. Doherty, F. Boland, C. O'Connor, D. Coen, J. Carr.
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/08/02/4177749-clarke-ruled-out-of-donegal-clash/
Would have to wonder who is the mole in the current Mayo senior set up leaking this news to the Con telegraph.?
You'd definitely wonder alright. The meath match was the first one in ages that hadn't been leaked
Doubt that team will start mind you, at least 2 changes
I'd be taking any of those leaked teams with a pinch of salt, myself.
That's the starting 15 on the programme but of course there will be changes. Higgins and Durcan will start anyway.
I dunno? If McLoughlin isn't injured I can't imagine him not starting?
I can. I think he's been poor any time he started all year and makes a better impact off the bench.
So much for the Donegal injury crisis. ::)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2019, 10:11:53 AM
So much for the Donegal injury crisis. ::)
What have you heard?
Quote from: J70 on August 03, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2019, 10:11:53 AM
So much for the Donegal injury crisis. ::)
What have you heard?
Shur there's nothing to hear and never has been ,clean bill bar eoin ban Gallagher . That's always been the case
Quote from: J70 on August 03, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2019, 10:11:53 AM
So much for the Donegal injury crisis. ::)
What have you heard?
Donegal program team remains to be seen if they will start as selected.
S Patton
P McGrath
N McGee
S Mcmenamin
R McHugh
D Ó Baoill
Ó McFadden Ferry
H McFadden
J McGee
C Thompson
N O'Donnell
J Brennan
P McBrearty
M Murphy
M Langan
Is the game at 5 or 6?
Any good pubs to watch the match in Castlebar? Don't have a ticket and its on sky.
Quote from: recyclebin on August 03, 2019, 03:14:14 PM
Any good pubs to watch the match in Castlebar? Don't have a ticket and its on sky.
You could watch it in an sportlann right beside the pitch if u want to stay close to the action. or else mick Byrnes or Rays.
Quote from: recyclebin on August 03, 2019, 03:14:14 PM
Any good pubs to watch the match in Castlebar? Don't have a ticket and its on sky.
No, afraid not.
Quote from: recyclebin on August 03, 2019, 03:14:14 PM
Any good pubs to watch the match in Castlebar? Don't have a ticket and its on sky.
The Harp is a great spot to watch a match. Read the reviews. Great pint, plenty of TVs, good craic but law and order at the same time
Get in early-you might even pick up a ticket
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 03, 2019, 02:24:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 03, 2019, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 03, 2019, 10:11:53 AM
So much for the Donegal injury crisis. ::)
What have you heard?
Donegal program team remains to be seen if they will start as selected.
S Patton
P McGrath
N McGee
S Mcmenamin
R McHugh
D Ó Baoill
Ó McFadden Ferry
H McFadden
J McGee
C Thompson
N O'Donnell
J Brennan
P McBrearty
M Murphy
M Langan
I will be shocked if that is the line up. They have to send something for the programme.
Here's hoping though! :)
Lads what channel is this on? Sky?
Mayo by 8. Donegal haven't beaten mayo since 2012.AOS MOTM, has Murphy number.
Definite black, dick Clerkin hasn't a notion
How does Dick Clerkin get these gigs as co-commentator. He is awful to be polite.
I thought the black card was the right decision. To me that was just a rugby tackle by him and an easy decision for the ref
Clerkin is a clown
Greasy underfoot conditions alright but Donegal are spilling an awful lot of ball.
Quote from: Itchy on August 03, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Definite black, dick Clerkin hasn't a notion
Ah soft as you will see black card. It was clear as day that paddy was holding his arm as he fell.. if that's a black card scrap the rule now
Game over. Mayo should be 20 up. Will they take big players off for next weekend.
Ah there is the mayo "boo"
HT Mayo 1-7 Donegal 0-4. Mayo full value for that lead.
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 03, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 03, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Definite black, dick Clerkin hasn't a notion
Ah soft as you will see black card. It was clear as day that paddy was holding his arm as he fell.. if that's a black card scrap the rule now
Higgins was pulling his jersey with one hand and had his other arm wrapped around his neck. He then pulled him down. If it's not black then nothing. Blessing in disguise for Mayo anyway. Donegal running everything into contact, pretty poor show from them so far.
Blessed to be only six points down. Shocking performance from Donegal. Sloppy, no passion or guts. Mayo ravenous and first to everything. Shameful stuff.
Donegal have been pure muck. Did turn up for this game and think Mayo wouldn't throw all at them?
Trying to get logged into watch this on Sky Sports using a one off Now TV subscription. Raging!! On the Computer it says that I need a subscription,but I have paid. What's going on? Help!!
Quote from: Itchy on August 03, 2019, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 03, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 03, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Definite black, dick Clerkin hasn't a notion
Ah soft as you will see black card. It was clear as day that paddy was holding his arm as he fell.. if that's a black card scrap the rule now
Higgins was pulling his jersey with one hand and had his other arm wrapped around his neck. He then pulled him down. If it's not black then nothing. Blessing in disguise for Mayo anyway. Donegal running everything into contact, pretty poor show from them so far.
He was flat out fouling him I agree but that's a yellow
It's only a black if he pulls him down deliberately which he didn't. Horrible conditions out there but it's a great game so far.
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 03, 2019, 06:40:50 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 03, 2019, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 03, 2019, 06:26:51 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 03, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Definite black, dick Clerkin hasn't a notion
Ah soft as you will see black card. It was clear as day that paddy was holding his arm as he fell.. if that's a black card scrap the rule now
Higgins was pulling his jersey with one hand and had his other arm wrapped around his neck. He then pulled him down. If it's not black then nothing. Blessing in disguise for Mayo anyway. Donegal running everything into contact, pretty poor show from them so far.
He was flat out fouling him I agree but that's a yellow
It's only a black if he pulls him down deliberately which he didn't. Horrible conditions out there but it's a great game so far.
Higgins was on the Donegal players back. To me its a rugby tackle to the ground and a perfect example of what a blavk card should be given for.
Donegal tactics are ridiculous. On such a wet day the ball is like a bar of soap yet they keep carrying the ball into contact making it easy for the Mayo backs to knock the ball away.
Its a bit ironic Mayo's goal came from another poor effort from a Mayo forward. Patrick Durcan is putting them to shame with his shooting.
Black card all day long.
Then the RhuBoos for a correct yellow for a high tackle.
They should be out of sight as Donegal are all at sea
Penalty all day long!!
That's a shockin decision
Eff me but do Donegal get away with murder or what.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
Of course it's a penalty. Murphy 2 arms out and Keegan has him clearly by the jersey.
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
Definite penalty.
Keegan fouls all day long. Donegal did the right thing and put Murphy on the edge of the square, hoof a ball in and wait for Keegan to commit the inevitable foul and force the ref to make the decision.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
Think u mean Michael Murphy is a cheat. Was holding onto keegan.
Keegan made zero attempt for the ball. Murphy had one arm going for the ball. High risk strategy from Keegan. Will get away with it 90% of the time, but can't start crying when ref gives the correct technical decision
Didn't really care who won this but having seen Donegal with all their antics here, hope Mayo win this now.
On the replay it looks like both were jersey holding. Soft penalty.
It's a super game. Both teams doing all they can, fair play to both.
Who went off for McLoughlin?
Quote from: Hound on August 03, 2019, 07:09:58 PM
It's a super game. Both teams doing all they can, fair play to both.
Who went off for McLoughlin?
Number 11. Stretchered off
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
Just a full frontal shoulder charge when OShea wasn't looking. When he does it to Fenton next week you will be singing a different tune
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:11:32 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 03, 2019, 07:09:58 PM
It's a super game. Both teams doing all they can, fair play to both.
Who went off for McLoughlin?
Number 11. Stretchered off
Oh yeah, saw that.
What a score from Murphy!
What a player Durcan is! Awesome stuff
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:12:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
Just a full frontal shoulder charge when OShea wasn't looking. When he does it to Fenton next week you will be singing a different tune
Fenton doesn't take dives. Ask Fermanagh fans does O'Shea take dives.
Donegal kick some terrible wides now. Murphy causing havoc at FF
Good decision by Horan. Mayo have to allow Keegan impact the game positivily
Thought CO'C got away with one there.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:12:36 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
Just a full frontal shoulder charge when OShea wasn't looking. When he does it to Fenton next week you will be singing a different tune
Fenton doesn't take dives. Ask Fermanagh fans does O'Shea take dives.
Donegal kick some terrible wides now. Murphy causing havoc at FF
Whatever about the past, that certainly wasn't a dive today
Donegal have taken a lot of wild shots just as they got close on the scoreboard. Murphy included.
That's why Keegan is not near the player of Connolly. Easy to stop someone from playing
Shocking wide.
Nobody wants to win this game!!!
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 03, 2019, 07:18:29 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 03, 2019, 07:03:27 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on August 03, 2019, 07:00:21 PM
That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
He didnt headbutt him either!!!
Donegal panicking and kicking some terrible wides. Lads (including Murphy) trying to do it on their own taking stupid long range shots instead of working it in
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That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
He didnt headbutt him either!!!
Donegal panicking and kicking some terrible wides. Lads (including Murphy) trying to do it on their own taking stupid long range shots instead of working it in
If that is a yellow card challenge when the ball is out of play then you would have to murder someone to get a red
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That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
I say it again: you are an idiot.
Quaking in my boots!
Hopefully Tyrone do us a favour and beat us tomorrow
Well done Mayo.
Thoroughly deserved.
I knew Donegal were being overrated. Dublin would have beaten that team by 10+ points.
Totally deserved by Mayo you can't keep them down it wasn't high on quality but honesty of effort and intensity was brilliant.
Donegal will be kicking themselves their big players didn't show up like McBrearty and McHugh there's only so much Murphy can donand he wasn't at his best either.
Dublin Mayo next week?? I think the Dubs will retire a few Mayo lads next week unfortunately!
Donegal very poor. Mayo wanted it more so congrats to them.
Could be a Pyrrhic victory though if the get dismantled next weekend. Hopefully not.
A very good game
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That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
I say it again: you are an idiot.
Hope that is a comfort to you. If you are happy for your player to.do that and risk getting sent off then it's a good thing you are not a manager. I will say it again it was a completely stupid challenge to do.
Donegal have been over hyped massively this year,they beat a poor Tyrone team and drawed against kerry. Talk about beating dublin obviously got to the players
Well done to Mayo they well deserved their 4 point winning margin. Donegal haven't reached AI semi final since 2014 and where playing their league football in Div 2 this spring and you could see why this evening, they were simply talked up too much and have a lot to learn if they are to reach the heights of Jim McGuinness again.
That was a collective collapse by Donegal first half, not just the big players. You don't have to be a leading player to match the hunger and ferocity of the opposition. Hopefully a big lesson learned which will stand to the younger lads in the future.
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That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
I say it again: you are an idiot.
Hope that is a comfort to you. If you are happy for your player to.do that and risk getting sent off then it's a good thing you are not a manager. I will say it again it was a completely stupid challenge to do.
Donegal have been over hyped massively this year,they beat a poor Tyrone team and drawed against kerry. Talk about beating dublin obviously got to the players
It wasn't a headbutt and Donegal are no dirtier than other teams.
No one was saying Donegal would beat Dublin. No one is saying ANYONE would beat Dublin.
The talk is about who might give them a game.
As with any sports chat, things evolve and change week to week.
Mayo were widely written off three weeks ago FFS.
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Donegal are no dirtier than other teams.
Maybe not in ulster. Compared to the other provinces they are pure dirt.
Donegal's shot selection went to absolute pot once they dragged themselves back into the game. They were taking wild shots, shots on the turn and low percentage shots from all angles and distances. Not just their younger players either. Some of their more experienced heads too. Murphy missed two fairly straightforward frees in the middle of all that.
Mayo were wobbling a bit at that stage but Donegal just couldn't muster the couple scores to draw level with them.
Hard luck on Donegal to come a cropper at this stage after an excellent championship campaign and they had the toughest draw in the group.
Mayo were very impressive at winning the breaking balls around the midfield. If they had better forwards they could have embarrassed Donegal completely who were there for the taking.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 03, 2019, 07:53:16 PM
Donegal's shot selection went to absolute pot once they dragged themselves back into the game. They were taking wild shots, shots on the turn and low percentage shots from all angles and distances. Not just their younger players either. Some of their more experienced heads too. Murphy missed two fairly straightforward frees in the middle of all that.
Mayo were wobbling a bit at that stage but Donegal just couldn't muster the couple scores to draw level with them.
Yes, we should have drawn level for sure. Plenty of chances to do so.
That said, Mayo should have been home and hosed first half.
Go on ye f**king legends yeeowww!!
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Donegal are no dirtier than other teams.
Maybe not in ulster. Compared to the other provinces they are pure dirt.
Not true. Let's be honest, Dublin know how to mix it and are as dirty as anyone when they need to be
Well i did say that match was nicely set up for Mayo to win and win they did by a bit to spare. Mayo made underdogs (Div 1 League champions in April lets not forget) was enough motivation to prove the doubters wrong (hello larryin,CK among others). Deja vu for Donegal, Ulster title won talked up after it and another round 3 quarter final defeat in a game they were expected to the win. The Rochford influence what influence?
Right Mayo, you better go on and win this feckin' thing now.
Ya can't help but be very proud , where do they get the resilience from , it's surreal .
I cant help but admire that Mayo team if I'm honest. They're always able to find something.
Well deserved win for Mayo from what I've seen of Donegal over the last two years they are an excellent side when everyone is fit but whether it's their style of play or their training methods they seem to be a pale imitation of themselves come the Super 8's.
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Right Mayo, you better go on and win this feckin' thing now.
Mayo would remind you of Offaly 1982 history to repeat itself?
Donegal were rubbish on evening when they were meant to prove themselves as top 5 team. Most of their youngish players looked lost when Murphy had probably his worse game all summer. They now depart this championship with more questions than answers.
QuoteNo one was saying Donegal would beat Dublin. No one is saying ANYONE would beat Dublin.
Joe Brolly said it, but your correct he is a no one! ;D
Th'oul dogs fir the hard road.
Bad day at the office for Donegal.
They weren't able for the Rhus intensity and as said above when they got to within 2 points they lost the plot altogether with silly shot selection.
Between both sides were there as many wides as scores?
Great win. We should have been further ahead in the first half and Donegal should have got closer in the second, although we had 3/4 good goal chances we squandered
The very pleasing thing is that every time Donegal got close we went and got a score.
DOC is a massive loss, looked like a bad knee injury
Great win, I said it to a few Donegal lads that they were very confident for a team which had lost the last four meaningful matches. Mayo were still division 1 champions
I must say it was one of the best atmospheres I've seen in Castlebar, Donegal and Mayo people are very alike and always get on well in my experience.
Should say the intensity in the first half was outstanding, ferocious tackling, they'll need that in spades next week
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Right Mayo, you better go on and win this feckin' thing now.
Mayo would remind you of Offaly 1982 history to repeat itself?
Donegal were rubbish on evening when they were meant to prove themselves as top 5 team. Most of their youngish players looked lost when Murphy had probably his worse game all summer. They now depart this championship with more questions than answers.
Was thinking that myself.
You get the feeling it's now or never. Although we say that most years.
Not one for stating the obvious by just read Peter Canavans article in the Belfast Telegraph on Friday this man was probably the greatest footballer of his age and possibly of any age but his football commentary is right up there with his article "Why Mayo can Defy all logic and progress to semi final" I have been around football for 40 years and played against the errigal man a good few times but his call on Mayo was one of his best.
Thought the 5 mins of cynicism by Mayo after the Donegal was beautifully done. Time wasting per excellence. Nullified any potential momentum & energy Donegal could have got from the goal.
Terrible night for Donegal - but their generally young squad should learn plenty from tonight. Lads like Brennan, Langan etc who were ripping it up in Ulster really struggled with the pace and intensity from Mayo.
As for Mayo the show rolls on - as expected a team full of character with guts in bucketfuls, some great individual performances - but still let a vastly inferior Donegal team on the night, nearly claw their way back into the game. Durcan was simply immense - and how he wasn't MOTM is beyond me.
It is shambolic that they will have 6days to prepare themselves to face Dublin - as another week would surely have set up another massive struggle between the 2.
If the curtain falls for a lot of this great team next week, I've no doubt it will be with the same hard nosed belligerence that has typified their efforts over the last 7yrs.
Every Mayo person should be detouring via Knock tonight - one big Novena for a Tyrone win tomorrow!
Quote from: Erne Man on August 03, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Terrible night for Donegal - but their generally young squad should learn plenty from tonight. Lads like Brennan, Langan etc who were ripping it up in Ulster really struggled with the pace and intensity from Mayo.
As for Mayo the show rolls on - as expected a team full of character with guts in bucketfuls, some great individual performances - but still let a vastly inferior Donegal team on the night, nearly claw their way back into the game. Durcan was simply immense - and how he wasn't MOTM is beyond me.
It is shambolic that they will have 6days to prepare themselves to face Dublin - as another week would surely have set up another massive struggle between the 2.
If the curtain falls for a lot of this great team next week, I've no doubt it will be with the same hard nosed belligerence that has typified their efforts over the last 7yrs.
Every Mayo person should be detouring via Knock tonight - one big Novena for a Tyrone win tomorrow!
Did Clerkin pick men of match again?
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Not one for stating the obvious by just read Peter Canavans article in the Belfast Telegraph on Friday this man was probably the greatest footballer of his age and possibly of any age but his football commentary is right up there with his article "Why Mayo can Defy all logic and progress to semi final" I have been around football for 40 years and played against the errigal man a good few times but his call on Mayo was one of his best.
He's by far the best analyst out there on tv (granted not much competition )
No Itchy - it was his clown partner Senna Connell!
How those 2 lads get air time demands a publicly funded enquiry!
Quote from: Erne Man on August 03, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Terrible night for Donegal - but their generally young squad should learn plenty from tonight. Lads like Brennan, Langan etc who were ripping it up in Ulster really struggled with the pace and intensity from Mayo.
As for Mayo the show rolls on - as expected a team full of character with guts in bucketfuls, some great individual performances - but still let a vastly inferior Donegal team on the night, nearly claw their way back into the game. Durcan was simply immense - and how he wasn't MOTM is beyond me.
It is shambolic that they will have 6days to prepare themselves to face Dublin - as another week would surely have set up another massive struggle between the 2.
If the curtain falls for a lot of this great team next week, I've no doubt it will be with the same hard nosed belligerence that has typified their efforts over the last 7yrs.
Every Mayo person should be detouring via Knock tonight - one big Novena for a Tyrone win tomorrow!
Who was motm?
Fantastic win. What a group of players. Going by form, Donegal should have torn them to shreds. But form goes out the window in championship matches such as this one. It's who is prepared to give it their all, and by Christ there was one team there this evening, happily for me it was Mayo.
The Kerry game must have gone to the Donegal players' head a bit maybe. I mean, it's the only way Mayo beat them, sure weren't they finished according to Brolly et al. Fair play to Canavan, myself and himself are one of a kind. :D Might not get within an asses roar of Dublin, but we're stumbling along. That's what championship is about though, innit? Up Mayo.
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No Itchy - it was his clown partner Senna Connell!
How those 2 lads get air time demands a publicly funded enquiry!
Kieran Cunningham's tweet summed Dicks night up "Can Dick Clerkin make himself useful and rub a J cloth over the camera lens?"
How gets a gig is beyond me. He's clueless
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Quote from: Erne Man on August 03, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Terrible night for Donegal - but their generally young squad should learn plenty from tonight. Lads like Brennan, Langan etc who were ripping it up in Ulster really struggled with the pace and intensity from Mayo.
As for Mayo the show rolls on - as expected a team full of character with guts in bucketfuls, some great individual performances - but still let a vastly inferior Donegal team on the night, nearly claw their way back into the game. Durcan was simply immense - and how he wasn't MOTM is beyond me.
It is shambolic that they will have 6days to prepare themselves to face Dublin - as another week would surely have set up another massive struggle between the 2.
If the curtain falls for a lot of this great team next week, I've no doubt it will be with the same hard nosed belligerence that has typified their efforts over the last 7yrs.
Every Mayo person should be detouring via Knock tonight - one big Novena for a Tyrone win tomorrow!
Who was motm?
Sky gave it to Aidan O'Shea. Midwest radio gave it to Paddy D.
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Quote from: Erne Man on August 03, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Terrible night for Donegal - but their generally young squad should learn plenty from tonight. Lads like Brennan, Langan etc who were ripping it up in Ulster really struggled with the pace and intensity from Mayo.
As for Mayo the show rolls on - as expected a team full of character with guts in bucketfuls, some great individual performances - but still let a vastly inferior Donegal team on the night, nearly claw their way back into the game. Durcan was simply immense - and how he wasn't MOTM is beyond me.
It is shambolic that they will have 6days to prepare themselves to face Dublin - as another week would surely have set up another massive struggle between the 2.
If the curtain falls for a lot of this great team next week, I've no doubt it will be with the same hard nosed belligerence that has typified their efforts over the last 7yrs.
Every Mayo person should be detouring via Knock tonight - one big Novena for a Tyrone win tomorrow!
Who was motm?
Sky gave it to Aidan O'Shea. Midwest radio gave it to Paddy D.
Paddy for me
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Quote from: Erne Man on August 03, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Terrible night for Donegal - but their generally young squad should learn plenty from tonight. Lads like Brennan, Langan etc who were ripping it up in Ulster really struggled with the pace and intensity from Mayo.
As for Mayo the show rolls on - as expected a team full of character with guts in bucketfuls, some great individual performances - but still let a vastly inferior Donegal team on the night, nearly claw their way back into the game. Durcan was simply immense - and how he wasn't MOTM is beyond me.
It is shambolic that they will have 6days to prepare themselves to face Dublin - as another week would surely have set up another massive struggle between the 2.
If the curtain falls for a lot of this great team next week, I've no doubt it will be with the same hard nosed belligerence that has typified their efforts over the last 7yrs.
Every Mayo person should be detouring via Knock tonight - one big Novena for a Tyrone win tomorrow!
Who was motm?
Sky gave it to Aidan O'Shea. Midwest radio gave it to Paddy D.
Paddy for me
I thought Durcan was the clear stand out for MOTM
Thought Keegan would have been in with a shout, although clearly not his best season due to injury I thought he covered some ground, an outlet for quite a few attacks and having to marshall Murphy until coen took over,even with the wide he had which would have been easier to score.
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That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
I say it again: you are an idiot.
Hope that is a comfort to you. If you are happy for your player to.do that and risk getting sent off then it's a good thing you are not a manager. I will say it again it was a completely stupid challenge to do.
Donegal have been over hyped massively this year,they beat a poor Tyrone team and drawed against kerry. Talk about beating dublin obviously got to the players
As a Tyrone fan that game was like a foreign sport to you as both teams actually played attacking football and tried to win a game.
Do you not accept the days of implementing the blanket defence to win big games in Croker are gone??
Tomorrow's game in Omagh is going to be s**t to watch regardless who wins as Tyrone are going to go with their defensive tactics that all the top teams have figured out and won't be good enough to win in Croke Park
Poor Jamie Brennan went from nailed on All Star after the Ulster championship to two complete no shows to finish the season.
Quote from: Hound on August 03, 2019, 07:22:35 PM
That's why Keegan is not near the player of Connolly. Easy to stop someone from playing
Shocking wide.
Do not forget that Keegan has outscored Connolly in all his duels with him but you are right ,not near the player Connolly is :) :)
Keegan consistently gets the better of not only Connolly but pretty much ever "star" player in the country. He's a brilliant footballer. Only people who think football is about being flash and OTT think otherwise
That was pure bullying, pure defiance. f**king primal. The third time Mayo have done it this year in a big match. They've never won a championship but they are more of a championship team than 80% of teams who have. How could you not be moved by it.
I don't think they'll be able to raise it to that extent against a Dublin team who won't be bullied, but then again, what's the difference between tonight and what happened two years ago when Mayo suddenly kicked into gear and played the best football they've ever played?
And Tyrone are going to beat Dublin, aren't they?
Any Galway people still want to make out Mayo would have folded like Galway did in last year's All-Ireland semi-final?
Cherish this team, they are unique.
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That's a shockin decision
Aidan O'Shea is a diving cheat. McFadden hits him wirh his chest and he goes down holding his head like he's shot.
Lee Keegan clearly had Murphy by the shirt for the long ball in for the penalty.
6 of one half a dozen of the other. Never a penalty. And yer man was lucky to not get a red
If he'd punched or elbowed him then absolutely. Donegal lad did neither
How about a headbutt. Was a completely stupid frontal challenge and deserved a red. Donegal are the dirtiest team I seen this year going by this game
I say it again: you are an idiot.
Hope that is a comfort to you. If you are happy for your player to.do that and risk getting sent off then it's a good thing you are not a manager. I will say it again it was a completely stupid challenge to do.
Donegal have been over hyped massively this year,they beat a poor Tyrone team and drawed against kerry. Talk about beating dublin obviously got to the players
As a Tyrone fan that game was like a foreign sport to you as both teams actually played attacking football and tried to win a game.
Do you not accept the days of implementing the blanket defence to win big games in Croker are gone??
Tomorrow's game in Omagh is going to be s**t to watch regardless who wins as Tyrone are going to go with their defensive tactics that all the top teams have figured out and won't be good enough to win in Croke Park
Note sure what your reply has to do my my post lol. But I agree heavy defensive football isn't going to win anything. Let's not kid ourselves either dublin have 13 men behind the ball at numerous times in tight games like every other team.
A balanced attacking approach is what teams need. Hopefully tyrone have learnt these lessons but I'm not so sure as mickey is stubborn to a fault
I don't know how you Mayo bucks survive following your team. I shite the togs when at a Tyrone game and it's often as exciting as the Angelus at 6pm!
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Right Mayo, you better go on and win this feckin' thing now.
Mayo would remind you of Offaly 1982 history to repeat itself?
Donegal were rubbish on evening when they were meant to prove themselves as top 5 team. Most of their youngish players looked lost when Murphy had probably his worse game all summer. They now depart this championship with more questions than answers.
We were clearly not prepared for Mayo's intensity. With a fair sprinkling of young players, we got bullied. Possibly there was also a slight bit of complacency going in, although I cannot fathom why. The only question going forward is whether we will learn from it and stand up and fight (for the game) the next time. If so, a good lesson. I doubt if Oisin Gallen has been exposed to that before: every time he got the ball, he was swarmed by furious, physical Mayo defenders and didn't get an inch to show his shooting talent or even keep possession.
On Murphy, I'd agree that the team looked lost, but I don't think he had a poor game (at least in the second half), even if it was his worst of the summer. He hit a few superb points, was very unlucky with a turn-and-shot off his left, and almost single-handedly dragged us back into the game. Unfortunately, he ended up losing the head a bit towards the end and hit a few awful shots.
Although he wasn't the only one. Michael Langan missed two relatively easy chances in the second half from 35m when he was totally unmarked. He's been putting them over in his sleep all summer. Those were soul-destroying misses that should have kept us within a point or so, but along with the other similar, if less blatant misses, allowed Mayo to ease back ahead at a time when we were doing very well possession-wise.
Overall, unlike the game last year that knocked us out of the Super 8s when we played well for large parts but just didn't have enough in the end for Tyrone, I think there is going to be a lot of regrets looking back at this one. This was an evening where the team let themselves down. Maybe certain players weren't quite fully fit, but Mayo had injury issues going into it too. Mayo showed up willing to put their bodies on the line, fight for every inch, lead by example and be brave with the ball. Too many of our men didn't. We folded and backed down from the fight like Donegal teams used to always do 15 years ago. Hopefully it will be the last time.
Two teams going at each other, a credit to both set ups. Mayo looked a wee bit hungrier. I thought yesterday was one of McLaughlins good days. He made a difference.
Fine championship game, feel a bit sorry for Donegal one bad game and out. Mayo got to hand it to them some team and fully deserved their win. I see Joe Brolly has an article in the Sindo today full of praise for Mayo, should he not just f#ck off. Why do papers, TV stations give idiots like this a platform.
Quote from: Rudi on August 04, 2019, 11:44:38 AM
Fine championship game, feel a bit sorry for Donegal one bad game and out. Mayo got to hand it to them some team and fully deserved their win. I see Joe Brolly has an article in the Sindo today full of praise for Mayo, should he not just f#ck off. Why do papers, TV stations give idiots like this a platform.
Did he not say they "were gone" literally three weeks ago?? ;D
Quote from: Rudi on August 04, 2019, 11:44:38 AM
Fine championship game, feel a bit sorry for Donegal one bad game and out. Mayo got to hand it to them some team and fully deserved their win. I see Joe Brolly has an article in the Sindo today full of praise for Mayo, should he not just f#ck off. Why do papers, TV stations give idiots like this a platform.
If you actually bothered to read the article its perfectly reasonable. He points out Mayo fought for every ball, Donegal players disapppeard in the 2nd half (bar Murphy) and had some shocking point attempts on goal.
Also that poor Mayo finishing kept Donegal in the game and their conversion rate for shots on goal was only around 38% and that wont be good enough next week
Quote from: J70 on August 04, 2019, 11:16:24 AM
We were clearly not prepared for Mayo's intensity. With a fair sprinkling of young players, we got bullied. Possibly there was also a slight bit of complacency going in, although I cannot fathom why. The only question going forward is whether we will learn from it and stand up and fight (for the game) the next time. If so, a good lesson. I doubt if Oisin Gallen has been exposed to that before: every time he got the ball, he was swarmed by furious, physical Mayo defenders and didn't get an inch to show his shooting talent or even keep possession.
On Murphy, I'd agree that the team looked lost, but I don't think he had a poor game (at least in the second half), even if it was his worst of the summer. He hit a few superb points, was very unlucky with a turn-and-shot off his left, and almost single-handedly dragged us back into the game. Unfortunately, he ended up losing the head a bit towards the end and hit a few awful shots.
Although he wasn't the only one. Michael Langan missed two relatively easy chances in the second half from 35m when he was totally unmarked. He's been putting them over in his sleep all summer. Those were soul-destroying misses that should have kept us within a point or so, but along with the other similar, if less blatant misses, allowed Mayo to ease back ahead at a time when we were doing very well possession-wise.
Overall, unlike the game last year that knocked us out of the Super 8s when we played well for large parts but just didn't have enough in the end for Tyrone, I think there is going to be a lot of regrets looking back at this one. This was an evening where the team let themselves down. Maybe certain players weren't quite fully fit, but Mayo had injury issues going into it too. Mayo showed up willing to put their bodies on the line, fight for every inch, lead by example and be brave with the ball. Too many of our men didn't. We folded and backed down from the fight like Donegal teams used to always do 15 years ago. Hopefully it will be the last time.
Donegal were not bullied. They were unprepared for a physical game played with real intensity. Too many of their younger players lack the strength and conditioning to deal with more battle hardened Mayo players.
You forgot to mention that McBreatty was not worth his place on the team. He demands the ball to be placed on his hands before he takes a shot. Wasn't prepared to do the dirty work against the Mayo defenders and then stood shouting at others who didn't deliver the perfect pass. Also you forgot to mention that McHugh wasn't at the game either when faced with tenacious tackling and strength.
Having Rochford on the sideline didn't pay much dividend and Horan easily won the tactical and preparation battle. Defensively, Donegal couldn't deal with Mayo running through their defensive lines and were flattered by the score line.
Fully agree that Donegal fell back last night to the pre-McGuinness era of not being able to deal with it when it was put up to them.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 04, 2019, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 04, 2019, 11:16:24 AM
We were clearly not prepared for Mayo's intensity. With a fair sprinkling of young players, we got bullied. Possibly there was also a slight bit of complacency going in, although I cannot fathom why. The only question going forward is whether we will learn from it and stand up and fight (for the game) the next time. If so, a good lesson. I doubt if Oisin Gallen has been exposed to that before: every time he got the ball, he was swarmed by furious, physical Mayo defenders and didn't get an inch to show his shooting talent or even keep possession.
On Murphy, I'd agree that the team looked lost, but I don't think he had a poor game (at least in the second half), even if it was his worst of the summer. He hit a few superb points, was very unlucky with a turn-and-shot off his left, and almost single-handedly dragged us back into the game. Unfortunately, he ended up losing the head a bit towards the end and hit a few awful shots.
Although he wasn't the only one. Michael Langan missed two relatively easy chances in the second half from 35m when he was totally unmarked. He's been putting them over in his sleep all summer. Those were soul-destroying misses that should have kept us within a point or so, but along with the other similar, if less blatant misses, allowed Mayo to ease back ahead at a time when we were doing very well possession-wise.
Overall, unlike the game last year that knocked us out of the Super 8s when we played well for large parts but just didn't have enough in the end for Tyrone, I think there is going to be a lot of regrets looking back at this one. This was an evening where the team let themselves down. Maybe certain players weren't quite fully fit, but Mayo had injury issues going into it too. Mayo showed up willing to put their bodies on the line, fight for every inch, lead by example and be brave with the ball. Too many of our men didn't. We folded and backed down from the fight like Donegal teams used to always do 15 years ago. Hopefully it will be the last time.
Donegal were not bullied. They were unprepared for a physical game played with real intensity. Too many of their younger players lack the strength and conditioning to deal with more battle hardened Mayo players.
You forgot to mention that McBreatty was not worth his place on the team. He demands the ball to be placed on his hands before he takes a shot. Wasn't prepared to do the dirty work against the Mayo defenders and then stood shouting at others who didn't deliver the perfect pass. Also you forgot to mention that McHugh wasn't at the game either when faced with tenacious tackling and strength.
Having Rochford on the sideline didn't pay much dividend and Horan easily won the tactical and preparation battle. Defensively, Donegal couldn't deal with Mayo running through their defensive lines and were flattered by the score line.
Fully agree that Donegal fell back last night to the pre-McGuinness era of not being able to deal with it when it was put up to them.
Would agree with majority of that. The amount of times McBreatty was seen shouting at his team mates for an slightly off pass told its own story. He is a fantastic player when given a bit of space but he has been marked out of it for many a game against the bigger teams. He took far to many snap shots yesterday.
Murphy played great and tried his hardest to drag Donegal back into it. McHugh had a very poor game and was well marked.
In 1-2 years time this should be a great Donegal team but I had thought they were a bit overhyed by the fans. Spent a bit of time in Donegal recently and even back before they played Tyrone there was serious confidence in the fans which I found strange as they finished 2nd in Division 2.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on August 04, 2019, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 04, 2019, 11:16:24 AM
We were clearly not prepared for Mayo's intensity. With a fair sprinkling of young players, we got bullied. Possibly there was also a slight bit of complacency going in, although I cannot fathom why. The only question going forward is whether we will learn from it and stand up and fight (for the game) the next time. If so, a good lesson. I doubt if Oisin Gallen has been exposed to that before: every time he got the ball, he was swarmed by furious, physical Mayo defenders and didn't get an inch to show his shooting talent or even keep possession.
On Murphy, I'd agree that the team looked lost, but I don't think he had a poor game (at least in the second half), even if it was his worst of the summer. He hit a few superb points, was very unlucky with a turn-and-shot off his left, and almost single-handedly dragged us back into the game. Unfortunately, he ended up losing the head a bit towards the end and hit a few awful shots.
Although he wasn't the only one. Michael Langan missed two relatively easy chances in the second half from 35m when he was totally unmarked. He's been putting them over in his sleep all summer. Those were soul-destroying misses that should have kept us within a point or so, but along with the other similar, if less blatant misses, allowed Mayo to ease back ahead at a time when we were doing very well possession-wise.
Overall, unlike the game last year that knocked us out of the Super 8s when we played well for large parts but just didn't have enough in the end for Tyrone, I think there is going to be a lot of regrets looking back at this one. This was an evening where the team let themselves down. Maybe certain players weren't quite fully fit, but Mayo had injury issues going into it too. Mayo showed up willing to put their bodies on the line, fight for every inch, lead by example and be brave with the ball. Too many of our men didn't. We folded and backed down from the fight like Donegal teams used to always do 15 years ago. Hopefully it will be the last time.
Donegal were not bullied. They were unprepared for a physical game played with real intensity. Too many of their younger players lack the strength and conditioning to deal with more battle hardened Mayo players.
You forgot to mention that McBreatty was not worth his place on the team. He demands the ball to be placed on his hands before he takes a shot. Wasn't prepared to do the dirty work against the Mayo defenders and then stood shouting at others who didn't deliver the perfect pass. Also you forgot to mention that McHugh wasn't at the game either when faced with tenacious tackling and strength.
Having Rochford on the sideline didn't pay much dividend and Horan easily won the tactical and preparation battle. Defensively, Donegal couldn't deal with Mayo running through their defensive lines and were flattered by the score line.
Fully agree that Donegal fell back last night to the pre-McGuinness era of not being able to deal with it when it was put up to them.
What's the difference between saying "bullied" and saying they were overpowered by the physicality and intensity? Its the same thing in this context. I'm not saying the Mayo lads were beating them up, calling them names and stealing their lunch money.
As for McBrearty and McHugh - I wasn't claiming to write a thorough recount of the match. I thought McBrearty was justified in complaining about the quality of some of the attempted passes to him (there were a couple of moves broke down when easy scores were on but a poor attempted pass resulted in a turnover), although I think the first half conditions definitely affected Donegal's quick handpassing and ball handling, obviously in addition to the Mayo pressure. However, he didn't put his money where his mouth is when he did get the ball, and took some poor shots given the conditions. McHugh couldn't get in the game. You're not going to dominate every day at this level. That's when the team needs others to stand up, but unfortunately they weren't there for us, except for Murphy and arguably younger lads like O'Baoill and O'Donnell. Like I said previously, hopefully this will stand to the newer players in the long run, but there's no guarantees.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 03, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
Quote from: Erne Man on August 03, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
Terrible night for Donegal - but their generally young squad should learn plenty from tonight. Lads like Brennan, Langan etc who were ripping it up in Ulster really struggled with the pace and intensity from Mayo.
As for Mayo the show rolls on - as expected a team full of character with guts in bucketfuls, some great individual performances - but still let a vastly inferior Donegal team on the night, nearly claw their way back into the game. Durcan was simply immense - and how he wasn't MOTM is beyond me.
It is shambolic that they will have 6days to prepare themselves to face Dublin - as another week would surely have set up another massive struggle between the 2.
If the curtain falls for a lot of this great team next week, I've no doubt it will be with the same hard nosed belligerence that has typified their efforts over the last 7yrs.
Every Mayo person should be detouring via Knock tonight - one big Novena for a Tyrone win tomorrow!
Who was motm?
Andy Moran for me. Class personified. Slippery, ball magnet, crafty eel
what happened to doherty? looked bad from the television maybe even a cruciate injury
Watched the game again last night and for me me David Gough had a good game in difficult circumstances and does not deserve the slating he is getting over on the WJ blog and in some comments here. Keegan grabbed Murphys jersey and that is what the ref saw from his position on the field.On the Higgins black card Gough did consult with his umpire and does not have replays .Not sure how he missed the pickup from O Shea but maybe he was unsighted.Always hate the fact that after 5 min of any game the first comment is that the ref is brutal or riding one team despite evidence to the contrary
Quote from: maigheo on August 04, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Watched the game again last night and for me me David Gough had a good game in difficult circumstances and does not deserve the slating he is getting over on the WJ blog and in some comments here. Keegan grabbed Murphys jersey and that is what the ref saw from his position on the field.On the Higgins black card Gough did consult with his umpire and does not have replays .Not sure how he missed the pickup from O Shea but maybe he was unsighted.Always hate the fact that after 5 min of any game the first comment is that the ref is brutal or riding one team despite evidence to the contrary
He wasn't that bad. It was a tough game to ref
I think what infuriated people watching with me was that while the penalty was legit (although soft) the hit on O Shea right after, was a red card all day long, and he didn't give it. So in the same sequence he applied the letter of the law to one incident and used his discretion with the other, Donegal getting the favorable outcome on both occasions. Higgins was a black card by the letter of the law but again one that would not be given by every referee-again the borderline call favored Donegal
Quote from: maigheo on August 04, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
Watched the game again last night and for me me David Gough had a good game in difficult circumstances and does not deserve the slating he is getting over on the WJ blog and in some comments here. Keegan grabbed Murphys jersey and that is what the ref saw from his position on the field.On the Higgins black card Gough did consult with his umpire and does not have replays .Not sure how he missed the pickup from O Shea but maybe he was unsighted.Always hate the fact that after 5 min of any game the first comment is that the ref is brutal or riding one team despite evidence to the contrary
I'd agree with you. I can't see any ref at any time setting out to favourr one team over another. Yeah, he can make mistakes and Gough, with the benefit of hindsight, made a fair few but he was operating in real time and on the night we had in Caatlebar, it;s a wonder he didn't make a few more.
Quote from: dublin7 on August 04, 2019, 12:12:50 PM
Quote from: Rudi on August 04, 2019, 11:44:38 AM
Fine championship game, feel a bit sorry for Donegal one bad game and out. Mayo got to hand it to them some team and fully deserved their win. I see Joe Brolly has an article in the Sindo today full of praise for Mayo, should he not just f#ck off. Why do papers, TV stations give idiots like this a platform.
If you actually bothered to read the article its perfectly reasonable. He points out Mayo fought for every ball, Donegal players disapppeard in the 2nd half (bar Murphy) and had some shocking point attempts on goal.
Also that poor Mayo finishing kept Donegal in the game and their conversion rate for shots on goal was only around 38% and that wont be good enough next week
And the bastards scored something like 1-7 from 8 shots against us in Castlebar in second half!
the problem with gough is that he is a ref who likes to "let it flow" and while that can make for a more open game, it can also have the effect of players feeling like they can get away with harder more reckless tackles because they know he wont blow the whistle, it can lead to games getting out of control
but I still prefer him to other intercounty refs
Has there ever been a game where someone is NOT crying about the referee?
It's like half these people have never set foot on a pitch.
I thought Gough had a good game but why do the GAA insist on appointing referees from counties who could benefit from poor decisions. Gough is from a county in the same group in the super 8's and lives and works in Dublin. Dublin were always likely to face one of Donegal or Mayo next weekend. Similarly Hutson was on the line and Tyrone could have been facing either team next week. Let me be clear I am not for a second suggesting either man did or would do something with an eye on next weekend but why open them up to that potential criticism?
I'm only seeing it now and only highlights . There wasnt that much in it although as a whole mayo deserved it for the agressive attitude.
As O' Sea righlty points out we didn't put a hand on mayo to stop them in any defensive cohesive manner. Thats ok if your taking most of your kicking opportunities ...but that certainly didn't happen.
You;d hope there will be a lesson learned for the next time we play mayo but it seems like groundhog day everytime we've played them in recent times.
Anyway Andy moran is some man for one man..... he always does particularly well against us too
Can the CCCCCCCCCCCC go back and issue black cards retrospectively?
Just seen Andy Moran drag back McHugh deliberately, just before Murphy point to go 1-9 to 1-8. Definite black.
Is a drag back a black card??
Out of curiosity - whats the WJblog?
Quote from: tyroneman on August 05, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
Out of curiosity - whats the WJblog?
Mayogaablog.com. Hilarious stuff. I fell out with the top dog so I no longer post there.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 05, 2019, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 05, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
Out of curiosity - whats the WJblog?
Mayogaablog.com. Hilarious stuff. I fell out with the top dog so I no longer post there.
Great resource for past matches, results and updates but comments best avoided as some deluded "super fans" there.
A lot of commentary on the ref. As a neutral I thought he did ok but perhaps a bit generous to Donegal and kept them in the game with a soft penalty. Technically he was correct as the jersey was clearly being held but there was no doubt that Murphy was grappling with Keegan as much as the other way around. It was a soft penalty to give away and was probably the only way Donegal were ever going to get a goal.
If Mayo had their shooting boots on they'd have beaten Donegal by 12-15+. Donegal were poor and they looked like it was just a matter of showing up. They are wide open defensively and if you take Murphy, McHugh and McBrearty out they are a very average side. If anything they proved they lack the cahunas for the big challenge.
Mayo yet again silence the critics, including me, and march on to the last 4. They really are a sensation.
Quote from: tyroneman on August 05, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
Out of curiosity - whats the WJblog?
a pile of dog poop with a good stats section , run by a guy who rarely goes to matches and spoils the other wise fime Mayo news Gaa podcast
Quote from: tyroneman on August 05, 2019, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 08:28:11 AM
Is a drag back a black card??
No
Ok fair enough. But shouldering the man after he's played the ball, is a black card. Don't see much of a difference.
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 05, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
I think the hit on O Shea could have easily been a straight red for striking.....you can see he clearly lifts his elbow on the replay.
How the black card works in reality:
1. If you are a referee on the second tier, you can accomplish a higher ranking from the assessor if you apply the black cards exactly as prescribed. It will drive players and managers mad, but will improve your chances of promotion.
2. If you are already a top tier referee, the black card only actually exists in the last 5 minutes of a match, and in whatever injury time you add. You don't need to be consistent with decision in the previous 65 mins, after all the best players in Ireland are on show and we don't need them leaving the field too early. But in the interests of media perception about bias, if you do issue a black to a high profile player, make sure someone from the opposing team gets one a few minutes later.
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 05, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
Yeah a frontal shoulder would be a black but not a late shoulder to shoulder.
Possibly not that far from the truth wobbler lol.
I think the black card isn't implemented very well but Benny I don't think you know the intended rules round it...
Quote from: rosnarun on August 05, 2019, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 05, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
Out of curiosity - whats the WJblog?
a pile of dog poop with a good stats section , run by a guy who rarely goes to matches and spoils the other wise fime Mayo news Gaa podcast
I noticed He has a bad habit of cutting across people (ex-players) when they are talking and kinda dismisses their opinions.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 05, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
Yeah a frontal shoulder would be a black but not a late shoulder to shoulder.
Possibly not that far from the truth wobbler lol.
I think the black card isn't implemented very well but Benny I don't think you know the intended rules round it...
Does anyone? Even the referees?
I recall a player in the AI club final a year or two ago. A few mins in, shouldered opponent after he had played the ball, and got black. Castle bar were involved I think.
Quote from: whitey on August 05, 2019, 03:18:16 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 05, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
I think the hit on O Shea could have easily been a straight red for striking.....you can see he clearly lifts his elbow on the replay.
Yeah I thought the same. On the first viewing I thought he was going to get a red. Cant believe what goes through a players head some times, you just scored a pen and are back in the game...hold on a second and let me completely take this man out and potentially have my team down a man for the rest of the game.
I'm glad some neutrals are recognising the assault on Aido. He does not get the protection all other players get, that is just not right .
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 05, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
The rules are crap. Who wants to see players being forced off for stupid little things like that, yellow is more than enough.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 05, 2019, 01:28:13 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 05, 2019, 09:12:07 AM
Out of curiosity - whats the WJblog?
a pile of dog poop with a good stats section , run by a guy who rarely goes to matches and spoils the other wise fime Mayo news Gaa podcast
I fell out with him a long time ago because of you!
Way back when he started the blog, he was using some foulmouthed language- okay for a pub or maybe a dressing room but not, IMO, for a public blog.. For instance and this was sometime after the '96 games against Meath, he referred to Colm Coyle as a sneaky little ****. I only heard of his blog though this board so I paid it a visit and I found he was going gung ho about some Mayo posters on here.
Seems he had criticized some Mayo player for not trying hard enough and some Mitchels supporters here complained on this board that he was being unfair to the lad in question because he didn't like Mitchels.
This first blog I came across was a full scale attack on the cowardliness of some anonymous Mayo posters who dared to criticise him but who weren't brave enough to come on to his blog and say their piece.
So I decided to come onto his blog and have a bit of fun. Beofre I did, you had posted something here saying you were surprised at his attitude or something like that- nothing remotely offensive. His reaction was priceless. He started off, "So another nameless brave hero lops another bomb over the parapet. Listen you guys, you better smarten up because when I get home, I'll sort you cowardly lot out." (He was on hols in North Africa, I think.)
So I decided to let him know everybody here wasn't afraid to go onto his Micky Mouse excuse for a Mayo fans blog when he was only using it as a mouthpiece for his oversize ego and I told him his language wasn't what a normal adult would need to get his message across.
He let my first post stay up but he certainly didn't leave my second one!
I see he has cleaned up his act and I do think his reference section is priceless but I have never read through his comments as I gave up reading the first one I looked at after two or three posts.
He had an awful opinion of himself in the early days- unbelievable self-importance and couldn't tolerate any criticism of himself or what he wrote.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2019, 03:45:09 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on August 05, 2019, 03:07:39 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
Yeah a frontal shoulder would be a black but not a late shoulder to shoulder.
Possibly not that far from the truth wobbler lol.
I think the black card isn't implemented very well but Benny I don't think you know the intended rules round it...
Does anyone? Even the referees?
I recall a player in the AI club final a year or two ago. A few mins in, shouldered opponent after he had played the ball, and got black. Castle bar were involved I think.
Can someone explain what good something like that does the game? Ruining the biggest game of a lads life over nothing.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
Yeah a frontal shoulder would be a black but not a late shoulder to shoulder.
Possibly not that far from the truth wobbler lol.
I think the black card isn't implemented very well but Benny I don't think you know the intended rules round it...
Does anyone? Even the referees?
I recall a player in the AI club final a year or two ago. A few mins in, shouldered opponent after he had played the ball, and got black. Castle bar were involved I think.
Can someone explain what good something like that does the game? Ruining the biggest game of a lads life over nothing.
That was as blatant a black card as u ever seen that day
Yeah I thought that too lol.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 05, 2019, 02:58:32 PM
Are you sure?? I didn't think shouldering a man late or dragging back were.
Rules are-
1. Deliberately pull down an opponent.
2. Deliberately trip an opponent with the hand(s), arm, leg or foot.
3. Deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of a movement of play.
4. Threaten or to use abusive or provocative language or gestures to an opponent or a teammate.
5. Remonstrate in an aggressive manner with a Match Official.
I find it funny that a player can literally hold an opponent back which in itself is cynical but you wont get a black card. I seen a fair bit of blocking off the ball in the mayo v donegal game with no card shown. As a neutral i would say donegal were doing more off the ball blocking than mayo.
The frontal shoulder off the ball after the donegal penalty according to the rules should have been a black card. Leo blocked a mayo players run after he played the ball which should have been another black card.
The rules are not the issue its the refs who wont/dont enforce them that is the problem.
Yeah a frontal shoulder would be a black but not a late shoulder to shoulder.
Possibly not that far from the truth wobbler lol.
I think the black card isn't implemented very well but Benny I don't think you know the intended rules round it...
Does anyone? Even the referees?
I recall a player in the AI club final a year or two ago. A few mins in, shouldered opponent after he had played the ball, and got black. Castle bar were involved I think.
Can someone explain what good something like that does the game? Ruining the biggest game of a lads life over nothing.
Ah hang on. That was Richie Feeny v St Vincents and was a stone wall black card. Vincents player gave a pass and Feeney took him out before he could take the return pass with a late hit.
In fact I imagine it was probably used in presentations to referees for an example of what warrants a black card
So basically, the Black was for obstructing the opponent from going on and linking with the play again. Moran did likewise. McHugh was trying to get up to support the play when he was deliberately dragged back.
Just thought that sort of incident was also a black card. And if not, why not?
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
So basically, the Black was for obstructing the opponent from going on and linking with the play again. Moran did likewise. McHugh was trying to get up to support the play when he was deliberately dragged back.
Just thought that sort of incident was also a black card. And if not, why not?
A third man tackle is a black card, and arguably one of the more straight forward aspects of the black card. I missed the Moran instead, although I heard he was lucky, however I seen several instances throughout the game and it seemed like the ref just wasn't giving it for whatever reason.
That Feeney case was a classic black card.
Ye'll note that the rule doesn't say anything about it only applying at certain stages of a game or only in unimportant games.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
So basically, the Black was for obstructing the opponent from going on and linking with the play again. Moran did likewise. McHugh was trying to get up to support the play when he was deliberately dragged back.
Just thought that sort of incident was also a black card. And if not, why not?
I don't know the incident you are talking about but every incident you have tried to draw parallels to sounds different. Would need to see it.
Yeah feeney definite black.
Quote from: BennyCake on August 05, 2019, 08:53:03 PM
So basically, the Black was for obstructing the opponent from going on and linking with the play again. Moran did likewise. McHugh was trying to get up to support the play when he was deliberately dragged back.
Just thought that sort of incident was also a black card. And if not, why not?
If he
pulled him back, then it's not a black. The rule for a 3rd man tackle is "to body collide" or something to that effect. What you're describing sounds like it should be a black but currently it's not AFAIK
I watched the second half (well, from 40 mins on) of this last night and kept an eye on our kickouts of which there were 15:
1 short which we won
14 long of which:
1 we won clean (doc where he got injured)
7 were broke and we won (Keegan x 2, Boyle, McDonagh, AOS, SOS & Cillian (which he lost over the line after winning it))
3 were broke and we lost
2 Donegal won clean
1 went over the sideline (fingertip touch from AOS)
So that's a 60% win rate on our own kickouts and 7 out of 9 were from breaking balls.
I saw on twitter where we had a 65% win rate on our own kickouts and 15% on Donegal's.
If we replicate anything even close to that against Dublin, it's curtains for us unfortunately
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
I watched the second half (well, from 40 mins on) of this last night and kept an eye on our kickouts of which there were 15:
1 short which we won
14 long of which:
1 we won clean (doc where he got injured)
7 were broke and we won (Keegan x 2, Boyle, McDonagh, AOS, SOS & Cillian (which he lost over the line after winning it))
3 were broke and we lost
2 Donegal won clean
1 went over the sideline (fingertip touch from AOS)
So that's a 60% win rate on our own kickouts and 7 out of 9 were from breaking balls.
I saw on twitter where we had a 65% win rate on our own kickouts and 15% on Donegal's.
If we replicate anything even close to that against Dublin, it's curtains for us unfortunately
Those figures are correct but that's a false equivalence in my opinion. Donegal tried to do as Kerry had done and squeeze up on your kickouts, Mayo kicked long beyond this "packed attack". Any possession won is immediately of higher value because Donegal had over-committed to the kickout press and had no sweeper at the back and acres of space to exploit.
What I'm saying is those 8 balls you won in midfield were twice as valuable an attacking platform as the short kickout you won. So comparing your kickout win rate with that of Tyrone or Dublin isn't directly comparable.
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Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
I watched the second half (well, from 40 mins on) of this last night and kept an eye on our kickouts of which there were 15:
1 short which we won
14 long of which:
1 we won clean (doc where he got injured)
7 were broke and we won (Keegan x 2, Boyle, McDonagh, AOS, SOS & Cillian (which he lost over the line after winning it))
3 were broke and we lost
2 Donegal won clean
1 went over the sideline (fingertip touch from AOS)
So that's a 60% win rate on our own kickouts and 7 out of 9 were from breaking balls.
I saw on twitter where we had a 65% win rate on our own kickouts and 15% on Donegal's.
If we replicate anything even close to that against Dublin, it's curtains for us unfortunately
Those figures are correct but that's a false equivalence in my opinion. Donegal tried to do as Kerry had done and squeeze up on your kickouts, Mayo kicked long beyond this "packed attack". Any possession won is immediately of higher value because Donegal had over-committed to the kickout press and had no sweeper at the back and acres of space to exploit.
What I'm saying is those 8 balls you won in midfield were twice as valuable an attacking platform as the short kickout you won. So comparing your kickout win rate with that of Tyrone or Dublin isn't directly comparable.
I'd agree with that and it's probably why Hennelly will start on Saturday. Especially with the wet weather forecast, we can't be messing around with short kickouts.
Quote from: trileacman on August 07, 2019, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
I watched the second half (well, from 40 mins on) of this last night and kept an eye on our kickouts of which there were 15:
1 short which we won
14 long of which:
1 we won clean (doc where he got injured)
7 were broke and we won (Keegan x 2, Boyle, McDonagh, AOS, SOS & Cillian (which he lost over the line after winning it))
3 were broke and we lost
2 Donegal won clean
1 went over the sideline (fingertip touch from AOS)
So that's a 60% win rate on our own kickouts and 7 out of 9 were from breaking balls.
I saw on twitter where we had a 65% win rate on our own kickouts and 15% on Donegal's.
If we replicate anything even close to that against Dublin, it's curtains for us unfortunately
Those figures are correct but that's a false equivalence in my opinion. Donegal tried to do as Kerry had done and squeeze up on your kickouts, Mayo kicked long beyond this "packed attack". Any possession won is immediately of higher value because Donegal had over-committed to the kickout press and had no sweeper at the back and acres of space to exploit.
What I'm saying is those 8 balls you won in midfield were twice as valuable an attacking platform as the short kickout you won. So comparing your kickout win rate with that of Tyrone or Dublin isn't directly comparable.
Partially true but 60-65% is still a very poor success rate. And the flip side is that when we lost a kickout, they had plenty forward.
The other part of my point was that the 7 balls we won which broke could have been kicked out by anyone, it was our ability to win those breaking balls that gave us a chance at all - something that didn't happen in killarney.
Looking back upon the Kerry match, Mayo seemed surprised by Kerry's willingness for a midfield battle. That and the fact that Mayo are capable of sleeping at the best of times was a bad combination.
I'd say Dublin's stats man would likely be convinced that replicating Kerry's tactic of pushing up will bring success, but Gavin is probably wise enough to know that taking on Seamie and Aidan is an aerial battle is a risky proposition.
I'd like Mayo to concentrate more on the other half to be honest. It's almost unheard of for a team to keep Dublin penned in for a 5 minute block.
Having a basically player camp out in the Zona del Cluxton (his left half back zone) any time Mayo look like they might get a shot away, would be a great start.
gavin might do the same thing he did in the 2013 final against mayo where he just had cluxton zig zag his kickouts back and forth from each sideline and just ran o'shea ragged. fenton will be able for that, but I dont see either of the osheas having the athleticism for that
That's where Ruane comes in.
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 07, 2019, 08:03:25 PM
Quote from: trileacman on August 07, 2019, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on August 06, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
I watched the second half (well, from 40 mins on) of this last night and kept an eye on our kickouts of which there were 15:
1 short which we won
14 long of which:
1 we won clean (doc where he got injured)
7 were broke and we won (Keegan x 2, Boyle, McDonagh, AOS, SOS & Cillian (which he lost over the line after winning it))
3 were broke and we lost
2 Donegal won clean
1 went over the sideline (fingertip touch from AOS)
So that's a 60% win rate on our own kickouts and 7 out of 9 were from breaking balls.
I saw on twitter where we had a 65% win rate on our own kickouts and 15% on Donegal's.
If we replicate anything even close to that against Dublin, it's curtains for us unfortunately
Those figures are correct but that's a false equivalence in my opinion. Donegal tried to do as Kerry had done and squeeze up on your kickouts, Mayo kicked long beyond this "packed attack". Any possession won is immediately of higher value because Donegal had over-committed to the kickout press and had no sweeper at the back and acres of space to exploit.
What I'm saying is those 8 balls you won in midfield were twice as valuable an attacking platform as the short kickout you won. So comparing your kickout win rate with that of Tyrone or Dublin isn't directly comparable.
Partially true but 60-65% is still a very poor success rate. And the flip side is that when we lost a kickout, they had plenty forward.
The other part of my point was that the 7 balls we won which broke could have been kicked out by anyone, it was our ability to win those breaking balls that gave us a chance at all - something that didn't happen in killarney.
You also had plenty back and not much space for them to work in.