Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race

[Taylor]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

[Angelo]

Based on that logic Canavan wasn't decent at all sure he only score one point from play in the 1995 final ... over rated!!

Scored 1-03 from play in the semi final against Galway.
4 or 5 points from play against Derry in Ulster when down to 13 men.

So based on that logic, Canavan was the GOAT.

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

Hold on. Are you saying he did win the frees he converted?

[whitey]

Dublin foul count almost triple Mayos a few years ago

How the fvck can you score from play when you're being fouled from pillar to post

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20351343.html%3ftype=amp

[Angelo]

Dublin foul count almost triple Mayos a few years ago

How the fvck can you score from play when you're being fouled from pillar to post

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20351343.html%3ftype=amp

Maybe Cillian should ask a few of his teammates? They seem to be able to manage it, one half back in particular.

[whitey]

Dublin foul count almost triple Mayos a few years ago

How the fvck can you score from play when you're being fouled from pillar to post

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20351343.html%3ftype=amp

Maybe Cillian should ask a few of his teammates? They seem to be able to manage it, one half back in particular.

Apples and oranges

[Angelo]

Dublin foul count almost triple Mayos a few years ago

How the fvck can you score from play when you're being fouled from pillar to post

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20351343.html%3ftype=amp

Maybe Cillian should ask a few of his teammates? They seem to be able to manage it, one half back in particular.

Apples and oranges

Think Keegan was usually Mayo's go to man marker as well when he was banging in the goals. He also spent less minutes on the pitch.

[Taylor]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

Hold on. Are you saying he did win the frees he converted?

I asked did he win ANY of the frees he converted.

You said 'no'.

You are incorrect - do your research

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

Hold on. Are you saying he did win the frees he converted?

I asked did he win ANY of the frees he converted.

You said 'no'.

You are incorrect - do your research

So you're telling me he did win some of the frees he converted? Right then, tell me how many he won?

Or maybe you don't actually have a f**king clue what you're talking about.

[Taylor]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

Hold on. Are you saying he did win the frees he converted?

I asked did he win ANY of the frees he converted.

You said 'no'.

You are incorrect - do your research

So you're telling me he did win some of the frees he converted? Right then, tell me how many he won?

Or maybe you don't actually have a f**king clue what you're talking about.

I asked did he win any of the frees he converted - given you are the font of all knowledge I thought you would know that.

You said 'no'.

That is incorrect - you are wrong.

So maybe it is someone else who doesnt actually have a f**king clue what they are talking about

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

Hold on. Are you saying he did win the frees he converted?

I asked did he win ANY of the frees he converted.

You said 'no'.

You are incorrect - do your research

So you're telling me he did win some of the frees he converted? Right then, tell me how many he won?

Or maybe you don't actually have a f**king clue what you're talking about.

I asked did he win any of the frees he converted - given you are the font of all knowledge I thought you would know that.

You said 'no'.

That is incorrect - you are wrong.

So maybe it is someone else who doesnt actually have a f**king clue what they are talking about

Prove it's incorrect.

It seems you are saying something you don't even know.

Surely if you're contending O'Connor won a free or penalty he scored 1-48 he scored from dead balls you must know:

a) how many of those he won
b) able to point to one specific example

The floor is yours but you don't seem confident.

[fearsiuil]

What's the story with this lad polluting every thread on this discussion board, really makes the build up to AI final a waste of time here. Pity, used be informative and a bit of craic. Have him blocked but page after page of long quoted petty arguments going nowhere.

[Angelo]

What's the story with this lad polluting every thread on this discussion board, really makes the build up to AI final a waste of time here. Pity, used be informative and a bit of craic. Have him blocked but page after page of long quoted petty arguments going nowhere.

If you have a problem with facts then that is not my problem.

There is a thread of Cillian O'Connor and if you read it from the beginning you will find he is a polarising character to many people. I have my opinions, they are well thought out, backed up by statistics and knowledge. The problem seems to be you don't like the truth so find this way easier to diminish it.

Maybe you might do me a favour and jog on rather than taking away from the discussion here.

[Taylor]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

Hold on. Are you saying he did win the frees he converted?

I asked did he win ANY of the frees he converted.

You said 'no'.

You are incorrect - do your research

So you're telling me he did win some of the frees he converted? Right then, tell me how many he won?

Or maybe you don't actually have a f**king clue what you're talking about.

I asked did he win any of the frees he converted - given you are the font of all knowledge I thought you would know that.

You said 'no'.

That is incorrect - you are wrong.

So maybe it is someone else who doesnt actually have a f**king clue what they are talking about

Prove it's incorrect.

It seems you are saying something you don't even know.

Surely if you're contending O'Connor won a free or penalty he scored 1-48 he scored from dead balls you must know:

a) how many of those he won
b) able to point to one specific example

The floor is yours but you don't seem confident.

The floor is mine indeed.

Just go to the first score between the teams last year.

So you are wrong - pretty simple there.

I asked did he won any of the frees he scored - you said no.

Do your research

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

So he didnt win any of the frees he converted?

You need to do more research Angelo before throwing out comments like that

Hold on. Are you saying he did win the frees he converted?

I asked did he win ANY of the frees he converted.

You said 'no'.

You are incorrect - do your research

So you're telling me he did win some of the frees he converted? Right then, tell me how many he won?

Or maybe you don't actually have a f**king clue what you're talking about.

I asked did he win any of the frees he converted - given you are the font of all knowledge I thought you would know that.

You said 'no'.

That is incorrect - you are wrong.

So maybe it is someone else who doesnt actually have a f**king clue what they are talking about

Prove it's incorrect.

It seems you are saying something you don't even know.

Surely if you're contending O'Connor won a free or penalty he scored 1-48 he scored from dead balls you must know:

a) how many of those he won
b) able to point to one specific example

The floor is yours but you don't seem confident.

The floor is mine indeed.

Just go to the first score between the teams last year.

So you are wrong - pretty simple there.

I asked did he won any of the frees he scored - you said no.

Do your research

So it took him 8 years to win a free he scored against Dublin?