Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race

[thewobbler]

Ah okay then.

[tiempo]

Lukit, the fella couldn't kick a ball through a tyre from 5 yards so has no legitimate claim as a top player

https://youtu.be/Vtcy-WgTWbI

Sin é

[reillycavan]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

+1 one of the all time greats.

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

[Angelo]

On a brief search Moran has scored 1-10 from play against Dublin in that time but only played about half the minutes O'Connor did.

O'Connor has started 8 Championship games against Dublin in that time. Moran only started 4, he missed the 2012 game through injury and was a used sub in both the 2015 games as well as last year's semi final.

Horan didn't seem to fancy Moran that much when you look back at it.

[Angelo]

And Lee Keegan has more from play in those games too with 3-04 from play to his name.

A wing back

[Hound]

i refuse to believe that anyone who thinks o'connor "goes missing" in big games has ever actually watched him in a big game.

Demanding too much of the ball might have been a valid criticism in the odd big game, and he's had the odd bad game in a big game, but he never shirks the challenge and never misses due to bottle.

[whitey]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

[JoG2]

Ah men, resist!

[whitey]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

[Taylor]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

[Angelo]

COC V Dublin, all tight games
2012 - 0-7
2013 - 0-8
2015 - 1-9
2015 - 1-6
2016 - 0-7 (Including the kick on the buzzer to draw)
2016 - 0-9
2017 - 0-7
2019 - 0-3

This narrative that Cillian only does it against Sligo and Leitrim is a joke, that's close to an 8 point average, by Sunday he'll have played 15% of his games against Dublin.
Even I'm surprised to see that his average score versus Dublin (7.75) is higher than his championship scoring average versus the remaining counties (7.12)

Let's look at the from play numbers

2012 - 0-01 of 0-07 from play.
2013 - 0-00 of 0-08 from play.
2015 - 0-00 of 1-09 from play. 1-01 of 1-06 from play
2016 - 0-02 of 0-07 from play. 0-00 of 0-09 from play
2017 - 0-03 of 0-07 from play.
2019 - 0-01 of 0-03 from play.

So of the 2-56 he has scored against Dublin, 1-07 has been from play.

Is 1-08 from play in 8 matches really good enough at that level?

I'm not sure what Andy Moran's record from play in around the same timeframe has been but I'll go that it's around double.

How much did the Gooch score from play against Dublin

When?

The Gooch was a bit of a flat track bully, one thing Brolly was right on was that when the going got tough Gooch didn't want to know about. Cooper had all the skill in the world but I think he never really led when his team needed him to step up. The man in the Kerry attack who came up with the goods at crucial times when Kerry were in bother was consistently Donaghy.

I wouldn't say O'Connor is a bottler, I just think his limitations are exposed when Mayo aren't blitzreiging their opponents. I think top forwards can lead when things are drying up, O'Connor is not going to win a 30/70 ball, beat a load of players and fire over unbelievable scores under pressure - that is what the top forwards do.

In a big game Mayo have been involved in the past, one where it was a tight nip and tuck battle that went down to the wire, I can't think of many where I'd look back and say O'Connor was Mayo's best player or he was outstanding. I could say it about Lee Keegan, Keith Higgins, Andy Moran, Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty or Diarmuid O'Connor though and that's where I look at it from.

From my memory the Gooch did fvck all when playing against Dublin from 2011 onwards (and that was with  an army of hard men to back him up). Gooch wouldn't stand a hope against Cooper or McMahon whereas O Connor more than held his own from a physical standpoint

I think the Gooch said as much in an interview

I'm not a big Gooch fan. I think he was a very skilled player but a flat track bully but Gooch was effectively finished as a footballer when he did his cruciate in 2014. So you're effectively judging him on the 2013 semi final, he scored 0-02 from centre forward form play that day.

O'Connor has 1-08 from play against Dublin in 8 championship appearances, Lee Keegan, a wing back has outscored him and Keegan has consistently been Mayo's go to man markers in those games.

Do you think 1-08 from play for a side like Mayo is good enough in 8 Championship appearances against Dublin for your prime inside forward?

Do you think he might have won any of the frees he got to put over?

No.

O'Connor profits on the good work of other players, he's a finisher.

He does a lot of defensive work from the front but gets away with absolute murder with his persistent fouling.

It's the runners from Mayo that draw the frees.

[screenexile]

Based on that logic Canavan wasn't decent at all sure he only score one point from play in the 1995 final ... over rated!!