26 County General Election 2020

Started by Snapchap, January 09, 2020, 06:52:51 PM

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What will be makeup of the next government?

FF/SD/Lab/Green
FG/SD/Lab/Green
FG/FF
FF/Green
FG/Independents
FG/Independents
FG/Green
FF/SF
FF/Green/Independents
FF Minority
FG Minority
FG/SF
FF/Lab/Green
FF/Lab
FF/Lab/Green/Independents

five points

Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.


So yes, they are certainly different.

Totally unproven. And in an era when several Taoisigh had their political careers blighted or prematurely ended by Garda scandals, the idea that a mickey mouse councillor and failed MEP candidate in Donegal could have bullied the Gardai into covering up the murder of a child and gotten away with it for 30+ years doesn't bear the slightest scrutiny.

seafoid

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/stephen-collins-ff-and-fg-have-duty-to-form-government-1.4172829

For a start, the policy differences between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil on fundamental economic issues are minimal and amount to differences of emphasis more than anything else. Even a cursory analysis of their election manifestos shows how close they are.
Both parties have suffered a loss of seats but that is no reason to walk off the pitch and hand power to people they believe will wreck the economy and damage our international standing

Of course opposition looks like an attractive option to politicians who have suffered a severe rebuff for having done what most outside observers would regard as a reasonably good job running the country for the past four years but walking away from their responsibilities would be far worse.

The main objection both parties have is that it would allow Sinn Féin to build even further in opposition and be in a position to come to power with its left-wing allies after the next election. That is a risk worth taking given that the future is impossible to predict

https://www.ft.com/content/26a7a74e-4d8a-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5

According to an exit poll published on Saturday, some 63 per cent of voters said they did not feel they had benefited from an improvement in the economy.

The housing shortage is a particular concern, especially among the under-35s. A recent study by the Central Bank of Ireland showed that only one new dwelling was built for every seven additional people in the population between 2011 and 2019. Rents have increased by 40 per cent in the past five years, while average earnings have grown by just 14 per cent
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Fear Bun Na Sceilpe

Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2020, 07:48:02 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.

So yes, they are certainly different.

If Shinners want to score points they should focus on economic issues rather than Mary Boyle.
FF blew up the economy in 2009
FG caused the housing crisis.

It's not a case of scoring points. SF never tried to shoehorn Mary Boyle in as an election issue - it just shows how low FG/FF and the establishment will sink.

The Boyles have not been asking FF for answers for the last 45 years. Bury your argument its ridiculous at this stage. Baa Baa Baa. I am a robot lol

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Itchy

Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2020, 07:48:02 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.

So yes, they are certainly different.

If Shinners want to score points they should focus on economic issues rather than Mary Boyle.
FF blew up the economy in 2009
FG caused the housing crisis.

The "shinners" never brought up Mary Boyle. I was simply demonstrating the media bias towards FF and FG, nothing else.

trueblue1234

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 14, 2020, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: seafoid on February 14, 2020, 07:48:02 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.

So yes, they are certainly different.

If Shinners want to score points they should focus on economic issues rather than Mary Boyle.
FF blew up the economy in 2009
FG caused the housing crisis.

It's not a case of scoring points. SF never tried to shoehorn Mary Boyle in as an election issue - it just shows how low FG/FF and the establishment will sink.

The Boyles have not been asking FF for answers for the last 45 years. Bury your argument its ridiculous at this stage. Baa Baa Baa. I am a robot lol

Reluctant as I am to step into this. This isn't true.

Mary Boyle was six when she disappeared from her grandparents' home outside Ballyshannon in Co Donegal, on March 18th, 1977. Hers is Ireland's longest-running missing-child case, and she has been described in the Guardian as "Ireland's Madeleine McCann".

Her twin, Ann Doherty, who has travelled to Stormont, Westminster, Brussels and Washington DC in her campaign, has been accompanied over the past two years by journalist Gemma O'Doherty.

On April 26th they met Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin for almost two hours in Leinster House. He was accompanied by one of the party's new TDs, barrister Jim O'Callaghan. They were also accompanied by Margo O'Donnell, sister of the singer Daniel.

Ann says she and her family know who killed Mary. She says the man, who is alive still, was well known to her and her twin. She says during the course of the 1977 investigation that a politician called the investigating gardaí and told them not to arrest or further question the chief suspect. She says her faith in the gardaí to bring the case to a truthful conclusion is gone.

Ann, Margo and Gemma urged Martin to initiate a Dáil debate on the serious allegations about the Garda handling of the case, and to support their call for an inquest into Mary's death.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

five points

Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 14, 2020, 11:16:54 AM

Reluctant as I am to step into this. This isn't true.

Mary Boyle was six when she disappeared from her grandparents' home outside Ballyshannon in Co Donegal, on March 18th, 1977. Hers is Ireland's longest-running missing-child case, and she has been described in the Guardian as "Ireland's Madeleine McCann".

Her twin, Ann Doherty, who has travelled to Stormont, Westminster, Brussels and Washington DC in her campaign, has been accompanied over the past two years by journalist Gemma O'Doherty.

On April 26th they met Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin for almost two hours in Leinster House. He was accompanied by one of the party's new TDs, barrister Jim O'Callaghan. They were also accompanied by Margo O'Donnell, sister of the singer Daniel.

Ann says she and her family know who killed Mary. She says the man, who is alive still, was well known to her and her twin. She says during the course of the 1977 investigation that a politician called the investigating gardaí and told them not to arrest or further question the chief suspect. She says her faith in the gardaí to bring the case to a truthful conclusion is gone.

Ann, Margo and Gemma urged Martin to initiate a Dáil debate on the serious allegations about the Garda handling of the case, and to support their call for an inquest into Mary's death.


It's this bit that doesn't make sense. Not in a country that had a cottage industry of Garda scandal journalism for years. Did Gene Kerrigan, Vincent Browne, Veronica Guerin, Joe Joyce, Derek Dunne, Peter Murtagh and their colleagues and rivals all miss the biggest and most explosive story of all? I don't buy it.

Angelo

Quote from: five points on February 14, 2020, 09:50:44 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on February 13, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 13, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
I wonder if the suspect in the mary boyle case was a Sinn Fein member would the media still ignore it. What di you think lads?

RTÉ produced a documentary on it. And I don't even see comparison between the cases other than 2 innocent people were murdered brutally

That's true. The quinn murder was not carried out by a sinn fein member but one member suggested Quinn was a criminal. That's case mo 1.

In case no 2 a FF representative covered up the kidnap and murder of a small child.


So yes, they are certainly different.

Totally unproven. And in an era when several Taoisigh had their political careers blighted or prematurely ended by Garda scandals, the idea that a mickey mouse councillor and failed MEP candidate in Donegal could have bullied the Gardai into covering up the murder of a child and gotten away with it for 30+ years doesn't bear the slightest scrutiny.

There is no proof who killed Paul Quinn or why.

Multiple members of the Gardai who investigated the Mary Boyle disappearance have alleged that a FF politician interfered in the case and stopped them from questioning the prime suspect who they believed was close to confessing.
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Tubberman

Gemma Doherty!? That hardly strengthens the case...
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

five points

Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Multiple members of the Gardai who investigated the Mary Boyle disappearance have alleged that a FF politician interfered in the case and stopped them from questioning the prime suspect who they believed was close to confessing.

But if that's true, why did the story lie hidden for 40 years during which the country was literally transfixed at various stages by a long list of Garda corruption and political influence scandals?

The idea that Gene Kerrigan, Vincent Browne, Veronica Guerin et al were all afraid of a mickey mouse councillor in Bundoran is laughable.

trueblue1234

Quote from: Tubberman on February 14, 2020, 11:28:07 AM
Gemma Doherty!? That hardly strengthens the case...

I'm not commenting on the case or what happened in it. But it's a lie to say that Mary Boyle's family haven't been asking questions of FF.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Angelo

Quote from: five points on February 14, 2020, 11:39:10 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Multiple members of the Gardai who investigated the Mary Boyle disappearance have alleged that a FF politician interfered in the case and stopped them from questioning the prime suspect who they believed was close to confessing.

But if that's true, why did the story lie hidden for 40 years during which the country was literally transfixed at various stages by a long list of Garda corruption and political influence scandals?

The idea that Gene Kerrigan, Vincent Browne, Veronica Guerin et al were all afraid of a mickey mouse councillor in Bundoran is laughable.


The Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran was also an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman.

There was no appetite to solve the case by any of the establishment branches. We saw it with the Stardust fire, Dublin Monaghan bombings, the priest murdered in Offaly etc.

I think you're clutching at straws trying to defend those cases.



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five points

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Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:43:04 PM

The Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran was also an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman.

There was no appetite to solve the case by any of the establishment branches. We saw it with the Stardust fire, Dublin Monaghan bombings, the priest murdered in Offaly etc.

I think you're clutching at straws trying to defend those cases.

The contrast with the Stardust fire, the Dublin & Monaghan bombings, the Fr Niall Molloy case, the Dowra affair, the Shercock case, the Richie Barron case, the Maurice McCabe case, the Derek Fairbrother case, the Kerry Babies case and countless others is palpable.

Each got massive publicity, media coverage and investigation from a coterie of talented investigative journalists who sometimes worked together and sometimes were in fierce competition with each other. Over years and years. Most of these stories  were compelling enough for books to be written about them; many were best sellers.

We're now supposed to believe that they all missed the biggest one of all - because of a Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran who was also "an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman."

It doesn't make an ounce of sense, sorry.

J70

Sean McEniff's estate is still suing O'Doherty for defamation.

Angelo

Quote from: five points on February 14, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 14, 2020, 12:43:04 PM

The Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran was also an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman.

There was no appetite to solve the case by any of the establishment branches. We saw it with the Stardust fire, Dublin Monaghan bombings, the priest murdered in Offaly etc.

I think you're clutching at straws trying to defend those cases.

The contrast with the Stardust fire, the Dublin & Monaghan bombings, the Fr Niall Molloy case, the Dowra affair, the Shercock case, the Richie Barron case, the Maurice McCabe case, the Derek Fairbrother case, the Kerry Babies case and countless others is palpable.

Each got massive publicity, media coverage and investigation from a coterie of talented investigative journalists who sometimes worked together and sometimes were in fierce competition with each other.

We're now supposed to believe that they all missed the biggest one of all - because of a Mickey Mouse councillor in Bundoran who was also "an extremely wealthy and well connected businessman."

It doesn't make an ounce of sense, sorry.

No they didn't.

The Stardust Fire is one of the biggest injustices to happen in the state. Hardly a dickeybird about it in the past decade.

The Dublin Monaghan bombings, all the signs are that the Free State government were fully aware that British intelligence had its finger prints all over it and they quelled any sort of investigation of this. These were incidents of mass losses of life, one through negligence, one through murder which had British intelligence all over it and the question marks of state interference in these cases have never been brought to task, the victims families have never got their justice and these cases have unquestionably been neglected by the media in this country.

There is no appetite for investigation here.

Gemma O'Doherty might be a crackpot now but there was one time when she was a respected investigative journalist and look at how she was sidelined when she pursued Garda corruption. Look at how a disgusting smear campaign was allowed develop and spread against a garda whistleblower with full knowledge of the higher echelons of the Gardai and the government minister.

It's a rotten state but your staged outrage is quite easily exposed. There is no appetite to tackle the heinous acts covered up by the establishment parties in the 26.

How many of those victims got justice?
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