The Catholic religious orders and power

[Rossfan]

More than likely be unconstitutional - right to private property etc.

[manfromdelmonte]

More than likely be unconstitutional - right to private property etc.

except its not private
a citizen doesn't own it

[Rossfan]

Of course it's private property. It's not owned by the State.
Doesn't matter if it's an individual, a company, Co operative, religious body or whatever.

[Owen Brannigan]

Of course it's private property. It's not owned by the State.
Doesn't matter if it's an individual, a company, Co operative, religious body or whatever.

If someone or organisation owes a considerable sum to the state or anyone, then the court is used to recover the debt, the bailiffs go in and cease the assets to cover the debt.  So, what is stopping the Government doing this with the support of the people and the law.

[Itchy]

Of course it's private property. It's not owned by the State.
Doesn't matter if it's an individual, a company, Co operative, religious body or whatever.

If someone or organisation owes a considerable sum to the state or anyone, then the court is used to recover the debt, the bailiffs go in and cease the assets to cover the debt.  So, what is stopping the Government doing this with the support of the people and the law.

I don't think they strictly owe a debt to the state legally rather they volunteered to foot some of the bill. Legally I think it's not binding but morally it should be. Unfortunately these groups lost any morals they had a long time ago.

I don't know why a compulsory purchase cannot be done like it is when building roads etc. Suppose cowards in goverment are afraid the would awaken the religious right. FG couldn't have that.

[armaghniac]

I don't know why a compulsory purchase cannot be done like it is when building roads etc. Suppose cowards in goverment are afraid the would awaken the religious right. FG couldn't have that.

You can have a compulsory purchase, but development land in Dublin 4 would be rather expensive. Also  compulsory purchase is on the basis of certain acts, mostly housing and roads, building a hospital might not be on this list.
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[tonto1888]

It is only comparatively recently that the Mater Hospital in Belfast became state funded.By the way are there many so called Catholic Schools who have clergy on the teaching staff these days? Unlike my day,when all Catholic Schools invariably had five or six clergy on teaching staff and the School Principal was invariably a priest or nun.

true had the misfortune to be taught by a few of them... most either perverts or sadists

Well said.

I had a few priests who taught me. None were sadists and to the best of my knowledge nor were any of them perverts

[Rossfan]

Same here.

[AZOffaly]

Same here.

Same here.

[stew]

Ok.How about the Church and faithful withdraw their (mainly voluntary) services in all aspects of Irish Life including charity (SVP),Chaplaincies etc

Yes, better not withdraw SDVP or people will have no other charity to pay to.

Only for the church we'd all be screwed.

irony!

[guy crouchback]

Same here.

Same here.

same here,
a couple of them were hard nuts but no worse then their lay counterparts. this was in the mid nineties  though and the real beatings were over by then.

i meet them now and again those teacher priests and i feel sorry for them. retired from teaching and semi retired from Parrish's there is a bit of the lost soul about them.
unlike life long parish priests they lived a largely normal life, went to work every day had lay colleagues even superiors, interacted with with them as equals  heard about there lives and struggles over the lunch tables opposed to in the confessional or whatever.

they never really seemed to take to parish life and were always really keen to talk about school days and other pupils and teachers.

on the topic in question the catholic church has never done anything, anything, that wasn't in its own interests and to increase or consolidate its power.
every hospital, every school, was there to increase  Catholic control of the people in every possible aspect of their lives, from the cradle to the grave.

[Farrandeelin]

My uncle was a priest in Korea. Please desist in classing all missionary priests as paedos.

[Owen Brannigan]

My uncle was a priest in Korea. Please desist in classing all missionary priests as paedos.

North or South?

[johnneycool]

Same here.

Same here.

same here,
a couple of them were hard nuts but no worse then their lay counterparts. this was in the mid nineties  though and the real beatings were over by then.

i meet them now and again those teacher priests and i feel sorry for them. retired from teaching and semi retired from Parrish's there is a bit of the lost soul about them.
unlike life long parish priests they lived a largely normal life, went to work every day had lay colleagues even superiors, interacted with with them as equals  heard about there lives and struggles over the lunch tables opposed to in the confessional or whatever.

they never really seemed to take to parish life and were always really keen to talk about school days and other pupils and teachers.

on the topic in question the catholic church has never done anything, anything, that wasn't in its own interests and to increase or consolidate its power.
every hospital, every school, was there to increase  Catholic control of the people in every possible aspect of their lives, from the cradle to the grave.

Yip,
    A hard nut is indeed a fully grown adult intimidating and beating lumps out of teenagers.. 

[guy crouchback]

Same here.

Same here.

same here,
a couple of them were hard nuts but no worse then their lay counterparts. this was in the mid nineties  though and the real beatings were over by then.

i meet them now and again those teacher priests and i feel sorry for them. retired from teaching and semi retired from Parrish's there is a bit of the lost soul about them.
unlike life long parish priests they lived a largely normal life, went to work every day had lay colleagues even superiors, interacted with with them as equals  heard about there lives and struggles over the lunch tables opposed to in the confessional or whatever.

they never really seemed to take to parish life and were always really keen to talk about school days and other pupils and teachers.

on the topic in question the catholic church has never done anything, anything, that wasn't in its own interests and to increase or consolidate its power.
every hospital, every school, was there to increase  Catholic control of the people in every possible aspect of their lives, from the cradle to the grave.

Yip,
    A hard nut is indeed a fully grown adult intimidating and beating lumps out of teenagers.. 

indeed