Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.

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charlieTully

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 11, 2015, 11:48:01 PM
I ask a better one, what have Sinn Fein done in west Belfast the past 20 years in terms of regeneration. you can only go to the well so often with vote for us on a united ireland front, the school pass rates are no better than they were 15yrs ago, joy riders still reign havoc on and off. suicides seem to have increased. What massive companies have come to the area. I be in west Belfast every week and so many areas still look so run down. Yes the swimming pools and Libraries have been upgraded along with some schools but what has really changed, are the people of west Belfast  better off in terms of works, future for their children?. Sometimes out side the sectarian vote i struggle to understand a party getting it so handy to get voted back in with so little return for the voters!

I eagerly await your alternative. Big critic of them myself at times but what's better? DUP?  Stoops?  provide an alternative and I'm all ears.

lynchbhoy

Quote from: charlieTully on April 12, 2015, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 11, 2015, 11:48:01 PM
I ask a better one, what have Sinn Fein done in west Belfast the past 20 years in terms of regeneration. you can only go to the well so often with vote for us on a united ireland front, the school pass rates are no better than they were 15yrs ago, joy riders still reign havoc on and off. suicides seem to have increased. What massive companies have come to the area. I be in west Belfast every week and so many areas still look so run down. Yes the swimming pools and Libraries have been upgraded along with some schools but what has really changed, are the people of west Belfast  better off in terms of works, future for their children?. Sometimes out side the sectarian vote i struggle to understand a party getting it so handy to get voted back in with so little return for the voters!

I eagerly await your alternative. Big critic of them myself at times but what's better? DUP?  Stoops?  provide an alternative and I'm all ears.
Maybe the IRA could run some candidates
It would be an alternative to the now faux left sf.

Might be hard getting candidates as most of those ex POW's who could stand are not enamoured
With politics . Any that we're have crossed over the divide into sf. Some with intent of countering unionist power, others to perform service to the community and others still for the limelight.


Though I can't see an IRA party getting any traction south of the border!
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Applesisapples

Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 12, 2015, 12:04:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 11, 2015, 11:48:01 PM
I ask a better one, what have Sinn Fein done in west Belfast the past 20 years in terms of regeneration. you can only go to the well so often with vote for us on a united ireland front, the school pass rates are no better than they were 15yrs ago, joy riders still reign havoc on and off. suicides seem to have increased. What massive companies have come to the area. I be in west Belfast every week and so many areas still look so run down. Yes the swimming pools and Libraries have been upgraded along with some schools but what has really changed, are the people of west Belfast  better off in terms of works, future for their children?. Sometimes out side the sectarian vote i struggle to understand a party getting it so handy to get voted back in with so little return for the voters!
They could run a blow up doll in W. Belfast and still be elected. Paul Maskey is a perfect example.
That's unfair, blow up dolls have better diction!

general_lee

Staunchly republican district continually votes republican candidates shocker.

getevennotcross

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Quote from: general_lee on April 13, 2015, 10:20:48 AM
Staunchly republican district continually votes republican candidates shocker.
The absolute hypocrisy of calling themselves Republicans.  Accepting the Royal pardon and the Queens shilling(s), when in earlier days they encouraged others not to recognise the court.  Propping up a British administration in Stormont with their DUP cohorts.  A complete and utter shower of hypocritical scumbags.  Ourselves Alone eh.  They should be ashamed of themselves, just like the church, they have conned our people and especially the people of West Belfast.

Rossfan

And what exactly do you think they should be doing??
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Maguire01

Mary Lou didn't come across too well on Matt Cooper this evening in relation to her comments on the Ansbacher accounts.

ojonathanrossa

I live in the West Belfast constituency and traditionally I vote SF but by fcuk they have no chance of getting my vote this time around. Gerry Carroll from PBP will be getting it. 

SF carrying out austerity and then calling them 'the Tory Cuts'. Dont see much Shinners falling victim to austerity between Stormont or community jobs

Plus, Gerry Adams was a sh.ite MP but I cringe every time I hear Paul Maskey speaking on the radio and on TV. Apparently he always tries 'really really really hard to get things done'. They are FF minus 50 years.

But anyway PBP are the only people i have heard with a complete anti-austerity voice and have heard onky positive messages.  I have already heard the shinners starting to bash him and his character. Typical bullying fascists.

heffo

Quote from: Maguire01 on April 14, 2015, 10:09:53 PM
Mary Lou didn't come across too well on Matt Cooper this evening in relation to her comments on the Ansbacher accounts.

What did she say?

Saffrongael

Quote from: ojonathanrossa on April 15, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
I live in the West Belfast constituency and traditionally I vote SF but by fcuk they have no chance of getting my vote this time around. Gerry Carroll from PBP will be getting it. 

SF carrying out austerity and then calling them 'the Tory Cuts'. Dont see much Shinners falling victim to austerity between Stormont or community jobs

Plus, Gerry Adams was a sh.ite MP but I cringe every time I hear Paul Maskey speaking on the radio and on TV. Apparently he always tries 'really really really hard to get things done'. They are FF minus 50 years.

But anyway PBP are the only people i have heard with a complete anti-austerity voice and have heard onky positive messages.  I have already heard the shinners starting to bash him and his character. Typical bullying fascists.

Surprised to hear it has taken so long. Paul Maskey is useless. I think Sinn Fein know this as he is rarely on radio or TV, except for when he tried to take over the St Mary's closure threat, and obviously when approaching election time.

The only input I saw him having with the Casement debacle was telling people to "sit down and talk".
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

ojonathanrossa

What would have been really funny only it was true was when Peter Robinson 'visited' West Belfast and he declared smugly it a 'really really positive thing for West Belfast and hopefully it'll bring loads and loads of jobs to the area' and then the very next day, RIAS axed hundreds of jobs in the area and then he was interviewed saying 'we will sit down with them and try really really hard to get something sorted'. Invest NI in the same news piece absolved RIAS of any obligation stating that they fully met their contractual commitments and when this was put to him he said ' well we will sit down and see what we can do'. If him going in as MP wasn't taking the people of West Belfast's votes for granted then i dont know what is. SF in West Belfast are a disaster. It has remained the most deprived electoral ward with the most health problems in the North during Gerry Adams' tenure and during Paul 'I'm trying really really hard' Maskey's tenure too. Disaster but sure lift him up shoulder high and stick a tricolour around him when he is re-elected and it'll maintain the facade.

I'd love to see Spotlight carry out an investigation into the community sector in West Belfast and expose the amount of  community funding being wasted by employing SF in fake community roles.

Electorally they will do well because they are an electoral machine and they will be exposed in the south for their phoniness. Easy to stick Pearse O'Doherty and Eoin O'Broin in front of a camera and shout socialism but in the North, they hide people like that away and attack the characters of other people like them who are in different parties like Gerry Carrol and Eamonn McCann.

Hypocritical unashamed predatorial busllying fascists. 

muppet

Quote from: ojonathanrossa on April 15, 2015, 10:26:49 AM
What would have been really funny only it was true was when Peter Robinson 'visited' West Belfast and he declared smugly it a 'really really positive thing for West Belfast and hopefully it'll bring loads and loads of jobs to the area' and then the very next day, RIAS axed hundreds of jobs in the area and then he was interviewed saying 'we will sit down with them and try really really hard to get something sorted'. Invest NI in the same news piece absolved RIAS of any obligation stating that they fully met their contractual commitments and when this was put to him he said ' well we will sit down and see what we can do'. If him going in as MP wasn't taking the people of West Belfast's votes for granted then i dont know what is. SF in West Belfast are a disaster. It has remained the most deprived electoral ward with the most health problems in the North during Gerry Adams' tenure and during Paul 'I'm trying really really hard' Maskey's tenure too. Disaster but sure lift him up shoulder high and stick a tricolour around him when he is re-elected and it'll maintain the facade.

I'd love to see Spotlight carry out an investigation into the community sector in West Belfast and expose the amount of  community funding being wasted by employing SF in fake community roles.

Electorally they will do well because they are an electoral machine and they will be exposed in the south for their phoniness. Easy to stick Pearse O'Doherty and Eoin O'Broin in front of a camera and shout socialism but in the North, they hide people like that away and attack the characters of other people like them who are in different parties like Gerry Carrol and Eamonn McCann.

Hypocritical unashamed predatorial busllying fascists.

Serious question.

If a political party anywhere in the world styles itself solely as the voice of the poor and the deprived, what incentive has it to improve their lot?

Surely, failure means more votes from the poor and deprived which means electoral success. Equally, social improvements means lost votes which means electoral failure.

When such a party goes into Government it usually means a short to mid term decline.
MWWSI 2017

Rossfan

Quote from: ojonathanrossa on April 15, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
I live in the West Belfast constituency and traditionally I vote SF but by fcuk they have no chance of getting my vote this time around. Gerry Carroll from PBP will be getting it. 


But anyway PBP are the only people i have heard with a complete anti-austerity voice and have heard onky positive messages.  I have already heard the shinners starting to bash him and his character. Typical bullying fascists.

If this lad gets elected......
Will he march into Westminster and outvote the 640 others and end austerity?
Just like the new Greek Govt showed the EU, IMF etc eh?
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

ojonathanrossa

So should he succumb to the big parties and just not bother?

Applesisapples

Quote from: ojonathanrossa on April 15, 2015, 08:21:00 AM
I live in the West Belfast constituency and traditionally I vote SF but by fcuk they have no chance of getting my vote this time around. Gerry Carroll from PBP will be getting it. 

SF carrying out austerity and then calling them 'the Tory Cuts'. Dont see much Shinners falling victim to austerity between Stormont or community jobs

Plus, Gerry Adams was a sh.ite MP but I cringe every time I hear Paul Maskey speaking on the radio and on TV. Apparently he always tries 'really really really hard to get things done'. They are FF minus 50 years.

But anyway PBP are the only people i have heard with a complete anti-austerity voice and have heard onky positive messages.  I have already heard the shinners starting to bash him and his character. Typical bullying fascists.
Two points, no party in the North can actually stop austerity, it is the policy of the incumbent British Government, they just take the money out of the block grant. You might as well vote for Dustin the Turkey as PBP he is likely to have greater influence.
SF need to get away from the jobs for the boys attitude that sees people like the Maskey's as elected reps. I have no doubt they are great community activists and will sort issues for constituents but their grasp of english is no existent. Paul Maskey in particular is so bad he makes Alec sound almost eloquent.