The IRISH RUGBY thread

[Jim_Murphy_74]

Looking ahead to the next 4 year cycle Ireland and their new coaches will need to develop Carberry into a world class #10 which I am sure he has the ability to be with sexton hitting 38 in 2023 he probably won't be much more than a bit part player if even. We also need a new #9 whether thats gonna be McGrath who is definatley able to lead the new team or someone coming from the u20 squads of previous years.

Carberry not good enough, there has to be a better player to go with.

He seems the best bet at the moment.  For scrumhalf I would nearly put Cooney and Marmion ahead of Murray, let alone McGrath.  Of course neither even saw the plane to Japan.

I hear a lot of criticism of Best and his age.  Really though, did Scannell or Cronin put any kind of pressure on him?

Still think Henderson and Ryan have plenty to offer.

I would say that Beirne, Conway, Ruddock and Larmer all showed enough in pool stages to be starters yesterday.  Probably wouldn't have made a difference. 

Other than Connacht, I haven't seen our provinces play hugely imaginative rugby.  In fact Leinster have gone from having a bit of flair to quite a forward-driven game.   A bit like Ireland they came unstuck when they met a team that met them on that.   Munster or Ulster haven't exactly set the world alight.

Also I wonder would people tolerate a poor Six Nations campaign again after last year?  Hard to take that on the grounds of winning a match 4 years away? 

We could rock up the next World Cup playing expansive rugby to get bet up by a bunch of grunts playing a narrow, forwards driven game............

To be honest we might not ever again see a run like the first 5 years of Joe's reign.

/Jim.

[johnnycool]

I think it's a process.
Things they did well :
-playing and beating Southern Hemisphere beforehand (unimaginable 10-15 years ago )
- squad management in the pool stage

What didn't work
- Team didn't peak for the tournament
- Lack of flexibility against Japan

I think they'll learn a lot from this and you never know, they might get a handy quarterfinal next time

Farrell will need time to fill the key roles in the team with lads who'll still be at their peak in 4 years time and that may mean a few poor 6N campaigns in the interim.

Sexton, Murray, Kearney and the likes are passed their best and should only play peripheral roles in the next few squads, if at all to allow younger blood to bed in for 2023.

Carbery has been poor but I wouldn't be discarding him just yet.

Is it too late to get some of these lads to try and offload in the tackle as Ireland are predictable as fúck with their pick and go through 10 to 20 phases.
That'll work against the Scots or Italians but not the top teams.

[Dinny Breen]

Looking ahead to the next 4 year cycle Ireland and their new coaches will need to develop Carberry into a world class #10 which I am sure he has the ability to be with sexton hitting 38 in 2023 he probably won't be much more than a bit part player if even. We also need a new #9 whether thats gonna be McGrath who is definatley able to lead the new team or someone coming from the u20 squads of previous years.

Carberry not good enough, there has to be a better player to go with.

He seems the best bet at the moment.  For scrumhalf I would nearly put Cooney and Marmion ahead of Murray, let alone McGrath.  Of course neither even saw the plane to Japan.

I hear a lot of criticism of Best and his age.  Really though, did Scannell or Cronin put any kind of pressure on him?

Still think Henderson and Ryan have plenty to offer.

I would say that Beirne, Conway, Ruddock and Larmer all showed enough in pool stages to be starters yesterday.  Probably wouldn't have made a difference. 

Other than Connacht, I haven't seen our provinces play hugely imaginative rugby.  In fact Leinster have gone from having a bit of flair to quite a forward-driven game.   A bit like Ireland they came unstuck when they met a team that met them on that.   Munster or Ulster haven't exactly set the world alight.

Also I wonder would people tolerate a poor Six Nations campaign again after last year?  Hard to take that on the grounds of winning a match 4 years away? 

We could rock up the next World Cup playing expansive rugby to get bet up by a bunch of grunts playing a narrow, forwards driven game............

To be honest we might not ever again see a run like the first 5 years of Joe's reign.

/Jim.

Leinster's style is evolving, expect more off-loading and expanse this season. 

[screenexile]

We need to start over again as we have done for the previous 7 world cups. Yes Schmidt brought the team great success but twice failed in the ultimate test and there were many many reasons for it. but chiefly for me were the fact the game plan didn't evolve or there wasn't another game plan and also too much loyalty to "experienced" players.

As Hansen said Ireland's experience was of not winning. It started at the beginning of the year in the 6N and the malaise continued to the England drubbing and the Japan defeat. While 2018 was great it was a year too early and Schmidt kept picking the same lads all year when they weren't delivering.

I'd be happy enough to sacrifice the next 3 6 Nations and just gearing everything towards 2023. We'll see I suppose.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

Leinster's style is evolving, expect more off-loading and expanse this season.

Hopefully, would be good to see it across the provinces.  Especially if we have a desire to adapt that for the national game.

I remember reading an article on how the New Zealand manager works with NZ based Super Rugby franchises to have a consistency of approach to tactics and style.

/Jim.

[screenexile]

Leinster's style is evolving, expect more off-loading and expanse this season.

Hopefully, would be good to see it across the provinces.  Especially if we have a desire to adapt that for the national game.

I remember reading an article on how the New Zealand manager works with NZ based Super Rugby franchises to have a consistency of approach to tactics and style.

/Jim.

Ireland supposedly have that approach as well!!!

[seafoid]

It's a total system failure. The question is whether or not they learn anything from it. 

[Gmac]

Was at both Tokyo semis and the size and speed of kiwis and especially sa is unbelievable, Ireland can't seem to peak for World Cups like the other teams do , I don't think the next few years will be good  we are way behind wales on current form .

[bennydorano]

Kimmage getting his claws stuck into Heaslip... will be interesting how that ends up!!!

The story being no one knows what the story is. Heaslip has questions to answer but at the same time it's annoying to see the Twitter gobshites revel in it with assumptions of guilt (again?). Kimmage's second go at Heaslip?

[The Subbie]

Kimmage getting his claws stuck into Heaslip... will be interesting how that ends up!!!

The story being no one knows what the story is. Heaslip has questions to answer but at the same time it's annoying to see the Twitter gobshites revel in it with assumptions of guilt (again?). Kimmage's second go at Heaslip?

So you think Heaslip has zero questions to answer ?
Nothing to see here, move along
Big call Benny , Kimmage is holding back here to see what he can flush out first I think
There is more to this than what we are seeing now I think

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out

[tonto1888]

Kimmage getting his claws stuck into Heaslip... will be interesting how that ends up!!!

The story being no one knows what the story is. Heaslip has questions to answer but at the same time it's annoying to see the Twitter gobshites revel in it with assumptions of guilt (again?). Kimmage's second go at Heaslip?

So you think Heaslip has zero questions to answer ?
Nothing to see here, move along
Big call Benny , Kimmage is holding back here to see what he can flush out first I think
There is more to this than what we are seeing now I think

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out

If it's true and the Irish sports council didn't send him the letter, what did heaslip hope you gain by telling that story? Did he genuinely make a mistake or is he attempting to cover something up

[highorlow]

Good lord

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2019/i-would-be-dreading-coming-back-to-ireland-jeanmarie-stander-slams-disrespectful-media-38615025.html

[bennydorano]

Kimmage getting his claws stuck into Heaslip... will be interesting how that ends up!!!

The story being no one knows what the story is. Heaslip has questions to answer but at the same time it's annoying to see the Twitter gobshites revel in it with assumptions of guilt (again?). Kimmage's second go at Heaslip?

So you think Heaslip has zero questions to answer ?
Nothing to see here, move along
Big call Benny , Kimmage is holding back here to see what he can flush out first I think
There is more to this than what we are seeing now I think

It'll be interesting to see how it pans out

I quite literally wrote that Heaslip has questions to answer in my reply

[seafoid]

https://www.irishrugby.ie/irfu/strategic-plan/

Headline targets page 16

World cup semifinal or better 2019 and 2023

[IolarCoisCuain]

Good lord

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2019/i-would-be-dreading-coming-back-to-ireland-jeanmarie-stander-slams-disrespectful-media-38615025.html

Now, that's all a lot of nonsense. I don't know what she's thinking about coming out with ... my God, she's beautiful.