https://punditarena.com/features/emackenna/mackenna-on-monday-dublin-financial-advantage-must-be-addressed
The author is Ewan MacKenna once again- I'm aware people don't like him because he is of one of the few voices in the sports media who consistently calls out the Dubs and their unfair advantages (and because he can be quite combative generally), but please actually address the points he makes in the article rather than attacking his other work.
This funding imbalance has to be addressed- if Dublin continue to dominate, people will lose interest in Gaelic Football. The decline has probably already started- the attendance decline noted last week is ominous.
Inter county Attendance will continue to decline. I would love to see stats done on the involvement of young adults and families proactively helping within gaa clubs / coaching etc. I suspect that figure has gone through the roof which would if proven indicate great health in the gaa at club level. Once people participate 3 or 4 times a week in the club they wouldn't have time or money or possibly the passion for passively watching the inter county game..ultimately separating club and county seasons will rectify that in due course but inter county = passive activity will always lose out to participating in a more rewarding and demanding club environment.
Compelling reading alright. Looks like Mc Kenna has done his homework so will be interesting to see if anyone disputes those stats. There's certainly a major disparity at play and sooner or later the rest of the counties will rise up and say enough is enough!
I don't blame Dublin at all. It's the 31 plus other counties who go to congress each year and ignore the hippo in the room. If they stood strong on the issue of equality, the deck would soon unfold. Having said that, Ryan was in Belfast recently at the launch of "Gaelfast", a schools coaching initiative worth £1.5m to Antrim over the next 5 years, to assist with the promotion of gaelic games in Belfast, another large urban area still relatively untapped. So for that reason alone we are grateful, but Mc Kenna s compelling case for parity still deserves to be answered.
Parity of esteem badly required alright.
I know its pie in the sky talk these days but the GAA was created for the promotion of Gaelic games and Irish culture not promoting it to gain best financial return, this is what always annoys me most about the but Dublin bring home the bacon argument.
It turns the All Ireland into a parody of a competition
Even the Super 8s are pointless and the attendances are proof
Money corrodes competition when the structures are arseways. Just look at recent Champions League Finals.
What was most sickening about that article was the bit about the marketing potential of 1.2 million Dubs fans
The GAA was never about that.
It's about Horse Lawlor sending Carlow people into ecstasy against Kildare or what Dermot Earley means to Rossies
Any time Mairtin Og went to New York he wouldn't have to pay for his dinner. The Monday after the Leinster final in Mullinalaghta
Paddy Cullen running back to his goal.
Looking at this subjectively, I think one solution may be to devide Dublin into two. North and South. I know this has been mooted previously, some even say devide into four, but there's a strong case to be made for it on economical grounds too....given this seems to be a driving influence!
It's well known that Dubliners are very sensitive to their North /South roots so this rivalry could open up even more passion for games within the capital. North could play Parnell Park and South at Abbotsown. Croke Park could return to the organisation.
On the basis there's now 34 counties (London included) a motion should be forwarded that in interests of financial parity that all annual revenue allocated for development is distributed equally between 34 participating counties. Yes both Dublins would still attract major sponsorship etc but there would be a much more level playing field for all.
Won't be long until Mc Kenna opens up on the racket that is mileage expenses. Could a county actually spend €580k on "mileage expenses" in one year??? The detail of which would be fascinating.
Meanwhile the silence is deafening from officialdom. Could that be because some of them are the biggest benefactors!
What's the rate? 65pence a mile yes/no???
That is a pretty compelling article.
Pulled some of it from here, including the hurling argument. He's still a arsehole.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:33:36 PM
Pulled some of it from here, including the hurling argument. He's still a arsehole.
So what. The content is the issue
Weaker counties are holding the better counties back. They should drop into their own tiered competition. The elite counties can they have a fair run the AI. Better Ulster counties have to come through a dogfight to get a go at Dublin.
Weaker counties should be paid off. Once they get good enough they can then come back into the fold. Carlow, Leitrim, Derry etc.
So basically you were all happy for the Dubs to fund your clubhouses and county grounds, but the minute Dublin got organised and spent money well, waaah waaah.
Happy to have a situation where counties can only spend what they earn.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
So basically you were all happy for the Dubs to fund your clubhouses and county grounds, but the minute Dublin got organised and spent money well, waaah waaah.
Happy to have a situation where counties can only spend what they earn.
;D The funny thing is that your county ground Croke Park was funded by all of us, your facilities in DCU and elsewhere were funded by all of us and your 6 All Ireland's were funded by all of us! Show a bit of gratitude.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
So basically you were all happy for the Dubs to fund your clubhouses and county grounds, but the minute Dublin got organised and spent money well, waaah waaah.
Happy to have a situation where counties can only spend what they earn.
Dublin - Because they're worth it
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 14, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
So basically you were all happy for the Dubs to fund your clubhouses and county grounds, but the minute Dublin got organised and spent money well, waaah waaah.
Happy to have a situation where counties can only spend what they earn.
;D The funny thing is that your county ground Croke Park was funded by all of us, your facilities in DCU and elsewhere were funded by all of us and your 6 All Ireland's were funded by all of us! Show a bit of gratitude.
All of us? Each county put up an equal 32nd of the cost?
Like I said, happy to go down tbe soccer route. Soend only what you bring in. No grants.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 14, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
So basically you were all happy for the Dubs to fund your clubhouses and county grounds, but the minute Dublin got organised and spent money well, waaah waaah.
Happy to have a situation where counties can only spend what they earn.
;D The funny thing is that your county ground Croke Park was funded by all of us, your facilities in DCU and elsewhere were funded by all of us and your 6 All Ireland's were funded by all of us! Show a bit of gratitude.
All of us? Each county put up an equal 32nd of the cost?
Like I said, happy to go down tbe soccer route. Soend only what you bring in. No grants.
Yes and not just GAA people. Millions of taxpayers money bought you your stadium and your All Ireland's. Where's our thanks? And you're happy to stop all grants now? Right after Dublin got multiples of what everyone else got? ;D You're grand, we'll split you up instead and divide out the millions you get every year between all of us.
Quote from: J70 on February 14, 2019, 12:25:21 PM
That is a pretty compelling article.
Reading that makes you realise the game is now a boogie
The gaa central council should hold their heads in shame.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 14, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
So basically you were all happy for the Dubs to fund your clubhouses and county grounds, but the minute Dublin got organised and spent money well, waaah waaah.
Happy to have a situation where counties can only spend what they earn.
;D The funny thing is that your county ground Croke Park was funded by all of us, your facilities in DCU and elsewhere were funded by all of us and your 6 All Ireland's were funded by all of us! Show a bit of gratitude.
All of us? Each county put up an equal 32nd of the cost?
Like I said, happy to go down tbe soccer route. Soend only what you bring in. No grants.
The Dubs would gt feck all money
Parnell park only holds 10K!!!
the dubs rely on every other county to allow them to use Croke Park and also for grant money.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 14, 2019, 12:33:36 PM
Pulled some of it from here, including the hurling argument. He's still a arsehole.
Cork GAA and big Frank missed a trick.
If its all about bums on seats then I'd say Cork hurling support is second only to the Dubs footballers and considering the distances they travel for AI semi-finals and so forth the GAA should be throwing money into Cork hurling development using the same logic as applied here by Ryan.
Not often those cute hoors miss a trick! I spoke with an avid Dub fan yesterday and put some of the points on here to him, and he was of the opinion that Dublin came to the association with a plan to develop gaelic games in the capital (x years ago) and that plan was considered on its merit at the time, and was endorsed. He was of the opinion that if other counties had put a plan in, it too would have been given a fair hearing. Apparently that's his "inside track" on the matter.
A, it sounds too simplistic....we asked therefore we got! But if that was the case then tbf you can't hold it against the Dubs for the superb way they implemented and saw the plan through, and still are.
There might be something in it. I know of county boards who submitted funding requests that were turned down for one reason or another (maybe the plan or the people behind it lacked credibility) but in our case (Antrim) a good solid professional plan was adopted eventually.
Could it be a simple case that each funding application is considered on its own merits??
I think people have completely the wrong end of the stick here.
the Gaa and its Finances are about promoting the plating of Gaelic games and the Allireland senior county championship is only one aspect of that and far from the most important.
Dublin deserve extra money by way of the sheer numbers they have to contend with . sharing money equally between clubs does not hold water. many rural clubs find it difficult in fielding 1 team , should they really get the same funding as Kilmacud Crokes who According to 'An Gclub' last night field 180 teams and there are several more clubs like them.
yes it does have a ling term effect on how the intercounty team Does but for 95% of the players the county team has no relevance they just want to go out and enjoy themselves playin football or stickball
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as for the problem of Dublin my solution would be treat Dublin as a province . let them split any way they see fit but at the end of the Dublin Provincial championship the Dubs still would have one team to follow and the rest of leinster championship would be a lot more enjoyable
Good idea - Dublin a Province with 4 Co Boards .
Quote from: bannside on February 14, 2019, 09:39:22 AM
Looking at this subjectively, I think one solution may be to devide Dublin into two. North and South. I know this has been mooted previously, some even say devide into four, but there's a strong case to be made for it on economical grounds too....given this seems to be a driving influence!
It's well known that Dubliners are very sensitive to their North /South roots so this rivalry could open up even more passion for games within the capital. North could play Parnell Park and South at Abbotsown. Croke Park could return to the organisation.
On the basis there's now 34 counties (London included) a motion should be forwarded that in interests of financial parity that all annual revenue allocated for development is distributed equally between 34 participating counties. Yes both Dublins would still attract major sponsorship etc but there would be a much more level playing field for all.
So we are meant to take seriously a proposal to split Dublin based on the Northside playing at an 11k capacity Donnycarney venue, and the Southside playing in a non-existent stadium at the sports campus in Dublin's
North west???
Sloppy stuff, like a lot of the arguments around this, including Mr. McKenna's.
The southside venue is further north than the northside one. Genius
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 14, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 14, 2019, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 14, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
So basically you were all happy for the Dubs to fund your clubhouses and county grounds, but the minute Dublin got organised and spent money well, waaah waaah.
Happy to have a situation where counties can only spend what they earn.
;D The funny thing is that your county ground Croke Park was funded by all of us, your facilities in DCU and elsewhere were funded by all of us and your 6 All Ireland's were funded by all of us! Show a bit of gratitude.
All of us? Each county put up an equal 32nd of the cost?
Like I said, happy to go down tbe soccer route. Soend only what you bring in. No grants.
Yes and not just GAA people. Millions of taxpayers money bought you your stadium and your All Ireland's. Where's our thanks? And you're happy to stop all grants now? Right after Dublin got multiples of what everyone else got? ;D You're grand, we'll split you up instead and divide out the millions you get every year between all of us.
And most of that rax is Dublin generated.
Do i get the feeling thus is really about angry culchies?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 10:52:00 AM
Good idea - Dublin a Province with 4 Co Boards .
If they want to boost playing numbers, great- but not at the expense of competition
Quote from: seafoid on February 15, 2019, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 10:52:00 AM
Good idea - Dublin a Province with 4 Co Boards .
If they want to boost playing numbers, great- but not at the expense of competition
but think of the extra poer the 'Dublin ' county board would have acting as a provincial one. and if they represent at least 25% of the country then they are entitled to it that could be very attractive to the committee men
4 County Boards and a Provincial Council would require an awful lot of Committees ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 03:12:04 PM
4 County Boards and a Provincial Council would require an awful lot of Committees ;D
Don't mind the committees, what about the addition of another four county panels if the GAA followed its own rules and split Dublin in four?
Back in 1884, the county was used as the basis for the present intercounty model. After all, they were used for local government purpose and it was a logical progression to establish 32 county boards and take it from there. In recent years, Dublin was split into four administration units, aka, counties i.e. Dunlaoire/Rathdown, Fingal, South Dublin and Dublin City.
Say most counties would field at least 40 players at senior level during an average year. (Probably a lot more but I'll settle for 40.) Straightaway, at least additional 120 players would get to compare their skills with the best in the game and that's the ambition of all who play at this level in any given year.
It would also mean 4 additional senior club championships and so on down the line.
How many Dublin club players drop out of the game before they would wish because of the lack of opportunity to advance to at least one higher level?
IMO, that's the real tragedy.
In short, the GAA is pandering to Dublin's mendacious demands and in the process is endangering the very future of the organisation.
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 12:52:20 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 03:12:04 PM
4 County Boards and a Provincial Council would require an awful lot of Committees ;D
Don't mind the committees, what about the addition of another four county panels if the GAA followed its own rules and split Dublin in four?
Back in 1884, the county was used as the basis for the present intercounty model. After all, they were used for local government purpose and it was a logical progression to establish 32 county boards and take it from there. In recent years, Dublin was split into four administration units, aka, counties i.e. Dunlaoire/Rathdown, Fingal, South Dublin and Dublin City.
Say most counties would field at least 40 players at senior level during an average year. (Probably a lot more but I'll settle for 40.) Straightaway, at least additional 120 players would get to compare their skills with the best in the game and that's the ambition of all who play at this level in any given year.
It would also mean 4 additional senior club championships and so on down the line.
How many Dublin club players drop out of the game before they would wish because of the lack of opportunity to advance to at least one higher level?
IMO, that's the real tragedy.
In short, the GAA is pandering to Dublin's mendacious demands and in the process is endangering the very future of the organisation.
The whole thing is getting like the Scottish soccerball with one team winning everything and the rest just there to provide games for them.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2019, 11:11:23 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 12:52:20 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2019, 03:12:04 PM
4 County Boards and a Provincial Council would require an awful lot of Committees ;D
Don't mind the committees, what about the addition of another four county panels if the GAA followed its own rules and split Dublin in four?
Back in 1884, the county was used as the basis for the present intercounty model. After all, they were used for local government purpose and it was a logical progression to establish 32 county boards and take it from there. In recent years, Dublin was split into four administration units, aka, counties i.e. Dunlaoire/Rathdown, Fingal, South Dublin and Dublin City.
Say most counties would field at least 40 players at senior level during an average year. (Probably a lot more but I'll settle for 40.) Straightaway, at least additional 120 players would get to compare their skills with the best in the game and that's the ambition of all who play at this level in any given year.
It would also mean 4 additional senior club championships and so on down the line.
How many Dublin club players drop out of the game before they would wish because of the lack of opportunity to advance to at least one higher level?
IMO, that's the real tragedy.
In short, the GAA is pandering to Dublin's mendacious demands and in the process is endangering the very future of the organisation.
The whole thing is getting like the Scottish soccerball with one team winning everything and the rest just there to provide games for them.
Said it 100 times here. This is just another version of the Scottish Premier League.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Am no, the 31 counties want you broken up because of your doping since 2005.
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Am no, the 31 counties want you broken up because of your doping since 2005.
On behalf of all Dubs I apologise for getting our house in order, availing of funding and finally achieving our potential.
If you chose to want to handicap us rather than do the same, thats your business
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Am no, the 31 counties want you broken up because of your doping since 2005.
On behalf of all Dubs I apologise for getting our house in order, availing of funding and finally achieving our potential.
If you chose to want to handicap us rather than do the same, thats your business
Availing of funding denied to most other counties
We'd just like a modicum of a level playing field in terms of player development and coaching assistance/development
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Am no, the 31 counties want you broken up because of your doping since 2005.
On behalf of all Dubs I apologise for getting our house in order, availing of funding and finally achieving our potential.
If you chose to want to handicap us rather than do the same, thats your business
You didn't get your house in order. It was done for you. With all of our money granted to you by Bertie Ahern. Would you not feel better about winning All Ireland's if you did it fairly? Winning anything through nefarious means can't be very satisfying.
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Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Am no, the 31 counties want you broken up because of your doping since 2005.
On behalf of all Dubs I apologise for getting our house in order, availing of funding and finally achieving our potential.
If you chose to want to handicap us rather than do the same, thats your business
You didn't get your house in order. It was done for you. With all of our money granted to you by Bertie Ahern. Would you not feel better about winning All Ireland's if you did it fairly? Winning anything through nefarious means can't be very satisfying.
Dublin were ridiculed when they originally published their plans in the blue wave documents and their long term plans.
Now they are being criticised for walking the walk and following through on their aims. All the bitterness and begrudgery used to annoy me, now I just find it funny.
For example the thread on who will win Div 1 of the league has somehow been turned by the same old posters (Looking at you From the bunker) into rants against the dubs even though it's looking increasingly unlikely they'll win it this year. I honestly think some people get more satisfaction in Dublin losing than in their own county winning. How sad is that.
Bring on the summer and all the bitter and anti Dublin posts/rants in relation to the team
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 04:26:57 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 03:55:17 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Am no, the 31 counties want you broken up because of your doping since 2005.
On behalf of all Dubs I apologise for getting our house in order, availing of funding and finally achieving our potential.
If you chose to want to handicap us rather than do the same, thats your business
You didn't get your house in order. It was done for you. With all of our money granted to you by Bertie Ahern. Would you not feel better about winning All Ireland's if you did it fairly? Winning anything through nefarious means can't be very satisfying.
Dublin were ridiculed when they originally published their plans in the blue wave documents and their long term plans.
Now they are being criticised for walking the walk and following through on their aims. All the bitterness and begrudgery used to annoy me, now I just find it funny.
For example the thread on who will win Div 1 of the league has somehow been turned by the same old posters (Looking at you From the bunker) into rants against the dubs even though it's looking increasingly unlikely they'll win it this year. I honestly think some people get more satisfaction in Dublin losing than in their own county winning. How sad is that.
Bring on the summer and all the bitter and anti Dublin posts/rants in relation to the team
When you say "walking the walk", you really mean receiving millions upon millions of euro to buy success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That you or any other Dub can't even mention the money shows that there is a deep guilt there. You will refer to it as "getting our house in order" or terms of similar meaning. You well then refer to anyone who brings up your doping as "begrudgers", "bitter people" etc. If not that you will try to deflect "it's not our fault your county are sh1t" or similar.
This is all a form of lashing out. It really stings that you have no argument against the fact that you were doped to success. None. Instead of facing up to the reality and admitting it to yourselves, you try to convince each other that it's only the nasty culchies telling lies, they are all just jealous etc. I think some Dubs have said this so much that they are actually starting to believe it. But as I said, they know the truth deep down and that's why it hurts. They can't fully enjoy the success because they know it's unjust. The thing is that it won't go away. It's not going to disappear. In 10, 20, 30, 50 years time people will still remember this doping.
It will be like looking back on Michelle Smith. She still has 3 Olympic gold medals, in the record books but then you think, well, she only won them because of the doping.
Dublin7, why are you ðebating with this fkn clown never mind the other gobsh1tes here. This particular g9bsh1te has 3 / 4 user names here often debating with himself. Nothing to be gained from engaging with bitter, myopic, sad, desperate arseh0les that occupy this cesspit of a board and their lies, delusion and ongoing pain at our ongoing success! COYBIB and fk the begrudgers!!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on February 17, 2019, 06:22:46 PM
Why are you ðebating with this fkn clown never mind the other gobsh1tes here. This particular g9bsh1te has 3 / 4 user names here often debating with himself. Nothing to be gained from engaging with bitter, myopic, sad, desperate arseh0les that occupy this cesspit of a board and their lies, delusion and ongoing pain at our ongoing success! COYBIB and fk the begrudges!
;D Point proven! Can't argue with the facts so they lash out. The truth hurts!
You've been caught out here before you fikn clown with you different user accounts posting sh1te. Point proven indeed!
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on February 17, 2019, 06:29:26 PM
You've been caught out here before you fikn clown with you different user accounts posting sh1te. Point proven indeed!
Untrue! In fact, that was a Dub copying all my posts. ;D Another example of attack the poster and not the post. As I've said, it's all you have left. There's no argument against the doping. It's a cold, hard fact.
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on February 17, 2019, 06:29:26 PM
You've been caught out here before you fikn clown with you different user accounts posting sh1te. Point proven indeed!
Untrue! In fact, that was a Dub copying all my posts. ;D Another example of attack the poster and not the post. As I've said, it's all you have left. There's no argument against the doping. It's a cold, hard fact.
If People were as focused on working for the betterment of their own counties as they are in finding fault with dublin's approach then the GAA would be a better place. Unfortunately it's easier to be a hurler on the ditch and cry/moan/complain about the big bad dubs. All that anger and bitterness in posts like yours just isn't healthy. Life and sport is for living and enjoying. If you can't enjoy the dubs playing football compared to some of what goes for modern football today then that's a bigger problem for you
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
Quote from: Hill16 Blues on February 17, 2019, 06:29:26 PM
You've been caught out here before you fikn clown with you different user accounts posting sh1te. Point proven indeed!
Untrue! In fact, that was a Dub copying all my posts. ;D Another example of attack the poster and not the post. As I've said, it's all you have left. There's no argument against the doping. It's a cold, hard fact.
If People were as focused on working for the betterment of their own counties as they are in finding fault with dublin's approach then the GAA would be a better place. Unfortunately it's easier to be a hurler on the ditch and cry/moan/complain about the big bad dubs. All that anger and bitterness in posts like yours just isn't healthy. Life and sport is for living and enjoying. If you can't enjoy the dubs playing football compared to some of what goes for modern football today then that's a bigger problem for you
;D You went for the "it's not our fault you're sh1t" one. The truth is, Gaelic football was in a much better place prior to the Dublin doping. It was wide open. Not just the All Ireland, the Leinster championship too. Here's the Dublin county boards accounts from 2016: file:///C:/Users/DELL/Downloads/Annual%20Accounts%202016.pdf (http://file:///C:/Users/DELL/Downloads/Annual%20Accounts%202016.pdf)
You can see there what kind of figures we're talking about. Pay particular attention to the Strategic Review Committee figures. 2.5 million in 2015, 2.7 million in 2016.
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
As expected, you have nothing to say on the actual facts put in front of you. Posting facts is not posting abuse! Let's have a look at some more facts and see where the money is coming from.
Since 2005, Dublin GAA have been receiving a state grant of 1 million per year. That's one million from the pockets of all citizens each year. Granted by Bertie Ahern of course. This is before we add on the money given from the GAA and the Leinster Council which bumps it up to the figure of 2.7 million we have seen on the Dublin County Board accounts. As of this year, Dublin GAA will have received 14 million euro from citizens. To put that into perspective, that's 7 times more than the next county has received in total funding!
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
Multiple counties and clubs have tried. You must think every county and club outside of Dublin is inept? Most counties struggle to break even every season. In fact, a very successful season can put a county in the red due to extended team costs.
Can you accept that the AI football championship was far more open before the Dublin funding brought through so many top class players?
And in particular the Leinster championship.
8 in a row? Doesn't it get boring?
Even Louth got to the final in 2010 and should have won it.
In the 2000s almost every county in Leinster got to a final, bar Carlow, Kilkenny and Wicklow.
Most counties had an aspiration to win it.
Not anymore.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 17, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
Multiple counties and clubs have tried. You must think every county and club outside of Dublin is inept? Most counties struggle to break even every season. In fact, a very successful season can put a county in the red due to extended team costs.
Can you accept that the AI football championship was far more open before the Dublin funding brought through so many top class players?
And in particular the Leinster championship.
8 in a row? Doesn't it get boring?
Even Louth got to the final in 2010 and should have won it.
In the 2000s almost every county in Leinster got to a final, bar Carlow, Kilkenny and Wicklow.
Most counties had an aspiration to win it.
Not anymore.
I accept Dublin had a plan, implemented it and are now reaping the awards. I look at other counties for example Cork and Galway. One focused on building a stadium they didn't need and couldn't do that right and the other got audited for extremely questionable financial behaviour I won't expand on for legal reasons.
But sure give Louth & Leitrim loads of money because clearly that's the only reason Dublin are successful.
It's typical Irish begrudgery. Instead of emulating successful people, teams companies etc we look on jealously at their success and hope for their failure so we rejoice in it.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 17, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
Multiple counties and clubs have tried. You must think every county and club outside of Dublin is inept? Most counties struggle to break even every season. In fact, a very successful season can put a county in the red due to extended team costs.
Can you accept that the AI football championship was far more open before the Dublin funding brought through so many top class players?
And in particular the Leinster championship.
8 in a row? Doesn't it get boring?
Even Louth got to the final in 2010 and should have won it.
In the 2000s almost every county in Leinster got to a final, bar Carlow, Kilkenny and Wicklow.
Most counties had an aspiration to win it.
Not anymore.
I accept Dublin had a plan, implemented it and are now reaping the awards. I look at other counties for example Cork and Galway. One focused on building a stadium they didn't need and couldn't do that right and the other got audited for extremely questionable financial behaviour I won't expand on for legal reasons.
But sure give Louth & Leitrim loads of money because clearly that's the only reason Dublin are successful.
It's typical Irish begrudgery. Instead of emulating successful people, teams companies etc we look on jealously at their success and hope for their failure so we rejoice in it.
When are Dublin going to.build a stadium capable of holding their supporters?
Galway got audited, and the audit was instigated by?? The Galway county board itself.
Where did the funding come from for Dublins development and coaching plan? It didn't fall from the sky.
Why has their funding been ringfenced?
It's completely unfair that a club in Dublin only has to finance 50% of a full time coach just because they are located in Dublin.and have a bar and social club and plenty of locals who drink in the place.
And if a club in a large urban area outside of Dublin want to hire a full time coach they must find 100% of the coach.
Do you not see the unfairness and unbalancing it has done to the association's ethos and ideals?
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 17, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
Multiple counties and clubs have tried. You must think every county and club outside of Dublin is inept? Most counties struggle to break even every season. In fact, a very successful season can put a county in the red due to extended team costs.
Can you accept that the AI football championship was far more open before the Dublin funding brought through so many top class players?
And in particular the Leinster championship.
8 in a row? Doesn't it get boring?
Even Louth got to the final in 2010 and should have won it.
In the 2000s almost every county in Leinster got to a final, bar Carlow, Kilkenny and Wicklow.
Most counties had an aspiration to win it.
Not anymore.
I accept Dublin had a plan, implemented it and are now reaping the awards. I look at other counties for example Cork and Galway. One focused on building a stadium they didn't need and couldn't do that right and the other got audited for extremely questionable financial behaviour I won't expand on for legal reasons.
But sure give Louth & Leitrim loads of money because clearly that's the only reason Dublin are successful.
It's typical Irish begrudgery. Instead of emulating successful people, teams companies etc we look on jealously at their success and hope for their failure so we rejoice in it.
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I'm sorry man, but that's not right. Most on here (except for those Trump loving hallions on the US thread) are GAA folk. Most are exasperated by what's playing out before their eyes. Their beloved championship has become farcicle (how the other Leinster counties must feel watching the Leinster Championship draw, only they will know) . Many lash out, but its definitely not begrudgery. Dublin have many many advantages, of that there's no doubt, but the financial bit can and has to be addressed. Watching Dublin win again this year will be absolutely zero /anti craic.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 17, 2019, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 17, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
Multiple counties and clubs have tried. You must think every county and club outside of Dublin is inept? Most counties struggle to break even every season. In fact, a very successful season can put a county in the red due to extended team costs.
Can you accept that the AI football championship was far more open before the Dublin funding brought through so many top class players?
And in particular the Leinster championship.
8 in a row? Doesn't it get boring?
Even Louth got to the final in 2010 and should have won it.
In the 2000s almost every county in Leinster got to a final, bar Carlow, Kilkenny and Wicklow.
Most counties had an aspiration to win it.
Not anymore.
I accept Dublin had a plan, implemented it and are now reaping the awards. I look at other counties for example Cork and Galway. One focused on building a stadium they didn't need and couldn't do that right and the other got audited for extremely questionable financial behaviour I won't expand on for legal reasons.
But sure give Louth & Leitrim loads of money because clearly that's the only reason Dublin are successful.
It's typical Irish begrudgery. Instead of emulating successful people, teams companies etc we look on jealously at their success and hope for their failure so we rejoice in it.
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I'm sorry man, but that's not right. Most on here (except for those Trump loving hallions on the US thread) are GAA folk. Most are exasperated by what's playing out before their eyes. Their beloved championship has become farcicle (how the other Leinster counties must feel watching the Leinster Championship draw, only they will know) . Many lash out, but its definitely not begrudgery. Dublin have many many advantages, of that there's no doubt, but the financial bit can and has to be addressed. Watching Dublin win again this year will be absolutely zero /anti craic.
Championship has always been lobsided. I don't care what decade you look up Wicklow/Carlow were never Leinster or All Ireland contenders. Its more pronounced now because counties like Meath have fallen so far back.
There's a reason the league is so enjoyable. It follows a simple policy adopted by sports all over the world that gets teams of similar standards to compete against each other.
Corks "plan" to compete within 5 years is laughable and not worth the paper its written on. How much funding should Cork get to find their Corkness?? They can't even keep track of the costs to build their white elephant of a stadium, but sure throw money at it so the dubs don't get it instead
In Ireland alot of GAA people are hypocrites. They complain about Dublin domination, but when sensible ideas such as tiered championship is suggested they demand the right to get hammered by Dublin for example rather than compete with teams of similar standards. Crazy stuff.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 11:03:04 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on February 17, 2019, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 10:26:19 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 17, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 17, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Once again it's all about the big bad dubs blah, blah, blah. Have you ever put together a medium or long term policy plan for your club/county and applied for funding???
Anyone can cut and paste figures and post abuse using the anonymity on the internet. Why not do something constructive with your time for your club/county instead of constantly criticising people in Dublin for doing that
Multiple counties and clubs have tried. You must think every county and club outside of Dublin is inept? Most counties struggle to break even every season. In fact, a very successful season can put a county in the red due to extended team costs.
Can you accept that the AI football championship was far more open before the Dublin funding brought through so many top class players?
And in particular the Leinster championship.
8 in a row? Doesn't it get boring?
Even Louth got to the final in 2010 and should have won it.
In the 2000s almost every county in Leinster got to a final, bar Carlow, Kilkenny and Wicklow.
Most counties had an aspiration to win it.
Not anymore.
I accept Dublin had a plan, implemented it and are now reaping the awards. I look at other counties for example Cork and Galway. One focused on building a stadium they didn't need and couldn't do that right and the other got audited for extremely questionable financial behaviour I won't expand on for legal reasons.
But sure give Louth & Leitrim loads of money because clearly that's the only reason Dublin are successful.
It's typical Irish begrudgery. Instead of emulating successful people, teams companies etc we look on jealously at their success and hope for their failure so we rejoice in it.
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I'm sorry man, but that's not right. Most on here (except for those Trump loving hallions on the US thread) are GAA folk. Most are exasperated by what's playing out before their eyes. Their beloved championship has become farcicle (how the other Leinster counties must feel watching the Leinster Championship draw, only they will know) . Many lash out, but its definitely not begrudgery. Dublin have many many advantages, of that there's no doubt, but the financial bit can and has to be addressed. Watching Dublin win again this year will be absolutely zero /anti craic.
Championship has always been lobsided. I don't care what decade you look up Wicklow/Carlow were never Leinster or All Ireland contenders. Its more pronounced now because counties like Meath have fallen so far back.
There's a reason the league is so enjoyable. It follows a simple policy adopted by sports all over the world that gets teams of similar standards to compete against each other.
Corks "plan" to compete within 5 years is laughable and not worth the paper its written on. How much funding should Cork get to find their Corkness?? They can't even keep track of the costs to build their white elephant of a stadium, but sure throw money at it so the dubs don't get it instead
In Ireland alot of GAA people are hypocrites. They complain about Dublin domination, but when sensible ideas such as tiered championship is suggested they demand the right to get hammered by Dublin for example rather than compete with teams of similar standards. Crazy stuff.
I know you won't like this because I'm going to provide you with some facts but you're just going to have to deal with it. The Dublin doping began in 2005, before that Westmeath won the Leinster championship, Laois the year before. Kildare, Meath and Offaly were winning all within the previous decade. That's 6 competitive counties in Leinster, Wexford and Longford improved afterwards. It was a highly competitive province. The Dublin doping killed it!
Dublin got their stadium built using all of our money as well. And why should other counties be punished because Dublin have doped? No one else went against the ethos of the GAA. Only Dublin. So instead of tiered championship, Dublin should be split. Let's make the game fair and equitable. Give every county the opportunity to succeed. Give them appropriate funding. It's obvious Dublin GAA and fans don't want fairness so it's up to the rest of us to push it.
Westmeath have only won 1 Leinster title in their history.
Laois have won 6 and Kildare have won 23. Kildare won in 1998 and 2000, but you have to back to the 50s for their next one. Big bad dubs weren't dominating for 50 years.
In terms of stadiums the dubs are actually a good example for county boards. Uild smaller ground that wil be full for games rather than huge stadiums that are totally unnecessary. Munster alone has 40k seater stadiums in Limerick, Thurles and now Cork. That's madness. If they're lucky they'll be full once maybe twice a year.
I'd like to see dubs build 20k ground in association with the IRFU so they could groundshare with Leinster and for once the taxpayers in this country could get value for money for large state investment in a capital sports project. Unfortunately the dinosaurs who are in charge of GAA and attend congress will never agree to this. You only look at the outrage over "getting bullied" into allowing a charity soccer match in PuC this year (only time it was full) and the hassle trying to allow soccer/rugby in croke park on a temporary basis.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 07:03:59 AM
Westmeath have only won 1 Leinster title in their history.
Laois have won 6 and Kildare have won 23. Kildare won in 1998 and 2000, but you have to back to the 50s for their next one. Big bad dubs weren't dominating for 50 years.
In terms of stadiums the dubs are actually a good example for county boards. Uild smaller ground that wil be full for games rather than huge stadiums that are totally unnecessary. Munster alone has 40k seater stadiums in Limerick, Thurles and now Cork. That's madness. If they're lucky they'll be full once maybe twice a year.
I'd like to see dubs build 20k ground in association with the IRFU so they could groundshare with Leinster and for once the taxpayers in this country could get value for money for large state investment in a capital sports project. Unfortunately the dinosaurs who are in charge of GAA and attend congress will never agree to this. You only look at the outrage over "getting bullied" into allowing a charity soccer match in PuC this year (only time it was full) and the hassle trying to allow soccer/rugby in croke park on a temporary basis.
Some good points there . Back around the time the Gah allowed rugby and soccer interests to use Croke Park, there were some serious discussions between the Croke and Aviva heads to discuss sharing stadia. It seems the Landsdowne Road folks were looking for Croker for Six Nations and other games where there was likely to be a crowd in excess of what Aviva was going to hold. The GAA would then use the Aviva where a crowd less than 50% of Croke Park's capacity was anticipated.
I was surprised to learn that Croke Park was losing money any time it opened and there was less than 30,000 in attendance. Obviously negotiations broke down somewhere along the line as nothing more has been heard about this since then. There wasn't a lot of publicity about the plan either but it was carried briefly in a few newspapers.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 18, 2019, 11:43:15 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 07:03:59 AM
Westmeath have only won 1 Leinster title in their history.
Laois have won 6 and Kildare have won 23. Kildare won in 1998 and 2000, but you have to back to the 50s for their next one. Big bad dubs weren't dominating for 50 years.
In terms of stadiums the dubs are actually a good example for county boards. Uild smaller ground that wil be full for games rather than huge stadiums that are totally unnecessary. Munster alone has 40k seater stadiums in Limerick, Thurles and now Cork. That's madness. If they're lucky they'll be full once maybe twice a year.
I'd like to see dubs build 20k ground in association with the IRFU so they could groundshare with Leinster and for once the taxpayers in this country could get value for money for large state investment in a capital sports project. Unfortunately the dinosaurs who are in charge of GAA and attend congress will never agree to this. You only look at the outrage over "getting bullied" into allowing a charity soccer match in PuC this year (only time it was full) and the hassle trying to allow soccer/rugby in croke park on a temporary basis.
Some good points there . Back around the time the Gah allowed rugby and soccer interests to use Croke Park, there were some serious discussions between the Croke and Aviva heads to discuss sharing stadia. It seems the Landsdowne Road folks were looking for Croker for Six Nations and other games where there was likely to be a crowd in excess of what Aviva was going to hold. The GAA would then use the Aviva where a crowd less than 50% of Croke Park's capacity was anticipated.
I was surprised to learn that Croke Park was losing money any time it opened and there was less than 30,000 in attendance. Obviously negotiations broke down somewhere along the line as nothing more has been heard about this since then. There wasn't a lot of publicity about the plan either but it was carried briefly in a few newspapers.
Aviva pitch is probably only big enough for an U14 hurling game.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 18, 2019, 11:43:15 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 07:03:59 AM
Westmeath have only won 1 Leinster title in their history.
Laois have won 6 and Kildare have won 23. Kildare won in 1998 and 2000, but you have to back to the 50s for their next one. Big bad dubs weren't dominating for 50 years.
In terms of stadiums the dubs are actually a good example for county boards. Uild smaller ground that wil be full for games rather than huge stadiums that are totally unnecessary. Munster alone has 40k seater stadiums in Limerick, Thurles and now Cork. That's madness. If they're lucky they'll be full once maybe twice a year.
I'd like to see dubs build 20k ground in association with the IRFU so they could groundshare with Leinster and for once the taxpayers in this country could get value for money for large state investment in a capital sports project. Unfortunately the dinosaurs who are in charge of GAA and attend congress will never agree to this. You only look at the outrage over "getting bullied" into allowing a charity soccer match in PuC this year (only time it was full) and the hassle trying to allow soccer/rugby in croke park on a temporary basis.
Some good points there . Back around the time the Gah allowed rugby and soccer interests to use Croke Park, there were some serious discussions between the Croke and Aviva heads to discuss sharing stadia. It seems the Landsdowne Road folks were looking for Croker for Six Nations and other games where there was likely to be a crowd in excess of what Aviva was going to hold. The GAA would then use the Aviva where a crowd less than 50% of Croke Park's capacity was anticipated.
I was surprised to learn that Croke Park was losing money any time it opened and there was less than 30,000 in attendance. Obviously negotiations broke down somewhere along the line as nothing more has been heard about this since then. There wasn't a lot of publicity about the plan either but carries briefly in a few newspapers.
Sounds like a bit of a tale! Aviva Pitch would be far too small for Gaelic Games!
Minimum size for a GAA pitch is 30m bigger than a rugby pitch. However this does not include the in goal areas behin each goal which are a minimium of 10m deep so that's an additional 5m at either end Aviva would require.
In terms of width they would need another 5m on each sideline to meet GAA requirements. In reality even if the Aviva could accomadte a GAA pitch (which they probably could) it's a non-runner as if the idea of moving games was suggested to GAA congress the majority of older members would vote it out before it even got a chance to be discussed even though it would benefit all the organisations and supporters in the long run.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 07:03:59 AM
Westmeath have only won 1 Leinster title in their history.
Laois have won 6 and Kildare have won 23. Kildare won in 1998 and 2000, but you have to back to the 50s for their next one. Big bad dubs weren't dominating for 50 years.
In terms of stadiums the dubs are actually a good example for county boards. Uild smaller ground that wil be full for games rather than huge stadiums that are totally unnecessary. Munster alone has 40k seater stadiums in Limerick, Thurles and now Cork. That's madness. If they're lucky they'll be full once maybe twice a year.
I'd like to see dubs build 20k ground in association with the IRFU so they could groundshare with Leinster and for once the taxpayers in this country could get value for money for large state investment in a capital sports project. Unfortunately the dinosaurs who are in charge of GAA and attend congress will never agree to this. You only look at the outrage over "getting bullied" into allowing a charity soccer match in PuC this year (only time it was full) and the hassle trying to allow soccer/rugby in croke park on a temporary basis.
This is true and often forgotten! But up until 2005 Dublin had 43 Leinster titles. All the rest had 73 Leinster titles between them! Dublin had won 37%. which was on average 4 titles a decade. They have won 13 of the last 14 which is 92% which is 9 a decade and heading for the full compliment of 10!
It's funny how how this argument has being going on 6 years, I have produced fact after fact yet no Dublin supporter is able to refute any of these facts and generally just revert to abuse. Generally they will call me a begrudger and Kildare are shite etc.....gives me no pleasure to be right...of course the counties outside Leinster aren't guilt free either, it's only now that Dublin are dominating the AI series that they actually give a shit...
This table shows exactly what money can buy. It compares what Dublin won in the 13 years before the financial doping to the 13 years after:
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14 titles between 1992 and 2005 compared with 54 between 2005 and 2018. Astonishing figures. Just to add to it. Dublin won 53 titles between 1966 and 2005, they've beaten that in just 13 years post doping.
Yet again it's amazingto see how much work people put into analysing dublin's spending but do f**k all for their own county. Have a look at Cork's plan and tell me how much funding they should get in your opinion. God knows Galway can't be trusted with any grant money.
Have you any idea how many ex county players have been involved in coaching underage teams in Dublin. They don't get paid for it, but they are giving back to the county. How many other counties can say that in football or hurling.
I actually feel sorry for some of you that instead of enjoying watching some of the greatest players ever like McCarthy, McCaffrey and Cluxton your begrudgery,bitterness and or jealousy leads you to claim their success/ability is down to money.
How about channelling your energy into something positive lime demanding your club/county managers actually play football instead of the safety first defensive rubbish introduced by McGuinness and Donegal. That might actually encourage people to attend games. Galway v Monaghan last week for example was two of the top sides playing sh*t football that no one wants watch, yet people blame falling attendances on dubs domination.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
Yet again it's amazingto see how much work people put into analysing dublin's spending but do f**k all for their own county. Have a look at Cork's plan and tell me how much funding they should get in your opinion. God knows Galway can't be trusted with any grant money.
Have you any idea how many ex county players have been involved in coaching underage teams in Dublin. They don't get paid for it, but they are giving back to the county. How many other counties can say that in football or hurling.
I actually feel sorry for some of you that instead of enjoying watching some of the greatest players ever like McCarthy, McCaffrey and Cluxton your begrudgery,bitterness and or jealousy leads you to claim their success/ability is down to money.
How about channelling your energy into something positive lime demanding your club/county managers actually play football instead of the safety first defensive rubbish introduced by McGuinness and Donegal. That might actually encourage people to attend games. Galway v Monaghan last week for example was two of the top sides playing sh*t football that no one wants watch, yet people blame falling attendances on dubs domination.
Mayo fundraised 1.761 million euro over 2016-17. Dublin raised 161k over 2015-17. It doesn't sound to me like Dublin are making much effort at grassroots level to raise funds from their fans. They are lucky to have the GAA as their main sponsor so they don't have to raise their own funds.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
I disagree with financial doping as is clearly the case here. I say rent Croke Park to the Dubs every time they use it, just so they remain mindful that it's not owned by them but by the association.
And by the way James Mc Carthy is currently my favourite player, and the other two not far away. Those three are up there with the best players the game has seen and are a joy to behold in full flight.
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 18, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
You know what f**k it. Your obsession with Dublin is getting scary at this stage. You must nearly be talking about Dublin finances in your sleep at night you spend so much time focusing on it.
I really don't care about funding because whatever amount they get the dub county board have shown they will spend it wisely. How many other counties could say that? Why not focus your attention on something where there is genuine wastage and obscene spending such as investigating all the millions of taxpayers money being wasted on the Nationals Childrens Hospital project and why it's so over budget. There 's a real cause to research instead of your ridiculous obsession with Dublin.
From now on you can moan away to your hearts content and I'll leave you to your bitter ramblings. I'm going to go to the Dublin games throughout the rest of the year and whether they win or lose I know they'll try to play entertaining football. That's more than can be said for the majority of the rest of the country (excluding kerry and mayo) who will have to suffer through dour defensive cynical bore fests that frankly leave me losing the will to live.
At least on those days I can change the channel and watch something else but that'll definitely change if the dubs get less grant money as clearly that's what's wrong with football today!!!
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 18, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
You know what f**k it. Your obsession with Dublin is getting scary at this stage. You must nearly be talking about Dublin finances in your sleep at night you spend so much time focusing on it.
I really don't care about funding because whatever amount they get the dub county board have shown they will spend it wisely. How many other counties could say that? Why not focus your attention on something where there is genuine wastage and obscene spending such as investigating all the millions of taxpayers money being wasted on the Nationals Childrens Hospital project and why it's so over budget. There 's a real cause to research instead of your ridiculous obsession with Dublin.
From now on you can moan away to your hearts content and I'll leave you to your bitter ramblings. I'm going to go to the Dublin games throughout the rest of the year and whether they win or lose I know they'll try to play entertaining football. That's more than can be said for the majority of the rest of the country (excluding kerry and mayo) who will have to suffer through dour defensive cynical bore fests that frankly leave me losing the will to live.
At least on those days I can change the channel and watch something else but that'll definitely change if the dubs get less grant money as clearly that's what's wrong with football today!!!
If, God forbid, the Dubs don't make history with the five-in-row this year and get beaten somewhere along the way the demented banshee chorus on this board won't know how to react. What the hell will they do to fill their days? In the meantime COYBIB.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 18, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
You know what f**k it. Your obsession with Dublin is getting scary at this stage. You must nearly be talking about Dublin finances in your sleep at night you spend so much time focusing on it.
I really don't care about funding because whatever amount they get the dub county board have shown they will spend it wisely. How many other counties could say that? Why not focus your attention on something where there is genuine wastage and obscene spending such as investigating all the millions of taxpayers money being wasted on the Nationals Childrens Hospital project and why it's so over budget. There 's a real cause to research instead of your ridiculous obsession with Dublin.
From now on you can moan away to your hearts content and I'll leave you to your bitter ramblings. I'm going to go to the Dublin games throughout the rest of the year and whether they win or lose I know they'll try to play entertaining football. That's more than can be said for the majority of the rest of the country (excluding kerry and mayo) who will have to suffer through dour defensive cynical bore fests that frankly leave me losing the will to live.
At least on those days I can change the channel and watch something else but that'll definitely change if the dubs get less grant money as clearly that's what's wrong with football today!!!
Now you have become Judge and Jury on who should and should not get money. Your lovely football team have it all to themselves. Their monopoly on grants, funding, sponsorship, home games and all the Trophies that money can by.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on February 18, 2019, 10:16:16 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 18, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
You know what f**k it. Your obsession with Dublin is getting scary at this stage. You must nearly be talking about Dublin finances in your sleep at night you spend so much time focusing on it.
I really don't care about funding because whatever amount they get the dub county board have shown they will spend it wisely. How many other counties could say that? Why not focus your attention on something where there is genuine wastage and obscene spending such as investigating all the millions of taxpayers money being wasted on the Nationals Childrens Hospital project and why it's so over budget. There 's a real cause to research instead of your ridiculous obsession with Dublin.
From now on you can moan away to your hearts content and I'll leave you to your bitter ramblings. I'm going to go to the Dublin games throughout the rest of the year and whether they win or lose I know they'll try to play entertaining football. That's more than can be said for the majority of the rest of the country (excluding kerry and mayo) who will have to suffer through dour defensive cynical bore fests that frankly leave me losing the will to live.
At least on those days I can change the channel and watch something else but that'll definitely change if the dubs get less grant money as clearly that's what's wrong with football today!!!
If, God forbid, the Dubs don't make history with the five-in-row this year and get beaten somewhere along the way the demented banshee chorus on this board won't know how to react. What the hell will they do to fill their days? In the meantime COYBIB.
I hope Dublin win 5 in a row, I hope they win 10 in a row! It's the only way to stop financial doping. And I don't think this Doping can be reduced at this stage. That is unless people bored with a one horse race don't bother going anymore and there are no fools paying into this farce and there is no money in the pot for the Grab All Association to fund their golden child.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 18, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
You know what f**k it. Your obsession with Dublin is getting scary at this stage. You must nearly be talking about Dublin finances in your sleep at night you spend so much time focusing on it.
I really don't care about funding because whatever amount they get the dub county board have shown they will spend it wisely. How many other counties could say that? Why not focus your attention on something where there is genuine wastage and obscene spending such as investigating all the millions of taxpayers money being wasted on the Nationals Childrens Hospital project and why it's so over budget. There 's a real cause to research instead of your ridiculous obsession with Dublin.
From now on you can moan away to your hearts content and I'll leave you to your bitter ramblings. I'm going to go to the Dublin games throughout the rest of the year and whether they win or lose I know they'll try to play entertaining football. That's more than can be said for the majority of the rest of the country (excluding kerry and mayo) who will have to suffer through dour defensive cynical bore fests that frankly leave me losing the will to live.
At least on those days I can change the channel and watch something else but that'll definitely change if the dubs get less grant money as clearly that's what's wrong with football today!!!
Never argue with an idiot
He'll drag you down to his level and beat you on experience alone.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 18, 2019, 10:43:20 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 18, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
You know what f**k it. Your obsession with Dublin is getting scary at this stage. You must nearly be talking about Dublin finances in your sleep at night you spend so much time focusing on it.
I really don't care about funding because whatever amount they get the dub county board have shown they will spend it wisely. How many other counties could say that? Why not focus your attention on something where there is genuine wastage and obscene spending such as investigating all the millions of taxpayers money being wasted on the Nationals Childrens Hospital project and why it's so over budget. There 's a real cause to research instead of your ridiculous obsession with Dublin.
From now on you can moan away to your hearts content and I'll leave you to your bitter ramblings. I'm going to go to the Dublin games throughout the rest of the year and whether they win or lose I know they'll try to play entertaining football. That's more than can be said for the majority of the rest of the country (excluding kerry and mayo) who will have to suffer through dour defensive cynical bore fests that frankly leave me losing the will to live.
At least on those days I can change the channel and watch something else but that'll definitely change if the dubs get less grant money as clearly that's what's wrong with football today!!!
Never argue with an idiot
He'll drag you down to his level and beat you on experience alone.
Is this where an analogy with Pavlov's dog might be appropriate?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Yer dead right. That's because he didn't bother to read what I had to say. Neither may I gently suggest have you. If he wants to know why culchies are upset about Dublin's recent dominance anf thinks its all down to pure jealousy, then he seems to knww nothing about the Blue Wave or what way development funds are disbursed.
I just gave facts and figures- nothing magical in that. Anyone with some basic maths would come up with the same results. I never said I felt sorry or glad for those who could play intercounty football if Dublin was split along county boundaries. That's up to Dublin GAA folks but it does mean you are getting along with a very small percentage of the general population and you need all the money you can lay your hands on in order to stay afloat, never mind increase your market share.
The Gah in Dublin is under severe pressure and needs all the cash that's going but that's because of the basket case way your club structure is organised.
Now, that is an opinion but it's based on facts and figures I have posted now and in the past and I will stand over what I am saying.
Unless there is radical change within the association and sooner rather than later, the whole shebang is gonna go tits up.
So should our county board try to sell a couple tables to the New York fundraiser to the Dubs this weekend?
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 18, 2019, 10:16:49 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 18, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 18, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I can't defend the financial doping so I'm going to deflect as much as possible.
;D At this stage, it's actually laughably pathetic the levels of deflection that Dublin supporters stoop to. It's been this way for many years but they used to at least attempt to throw in some flimsy defence of their multi million euro professional system. Those arguments were so comprehensively battered, they now have nothing else to counter apart from name calling, abuse and endless amounts of deflection.
You know what f**k it. Your obsession with Dublin is getting scary at this stage. You must nearly be talking about Dublin finances in your sleep at night you spend so much time focusing on it.
I really don't care about funding because whatever amount they get the dub county board have shown they will spend it wisely. How many other counties could say that? Why not focus your attention on something where there is genuine wastage and obscene spending such as investigating all the millions of taxpayers money being wasted on the Nationals Childrens Hospital project and why it's so over budget. There 's a real cause to research instead of your ridiculous obsession with Dublin.
From now on you can moan away to your hearts content and I'll leave you to your bitter ramblings. I'm going to go to the Dublin games throughout the rest of the year and whether they win or lose I know they'll try to play entertaining football. That's more than can be said for the majority of the rest of the country (excluding kerry and mayo) who will have to suffer through dour defensive cynical bore fests that frankly leave me losing the will to live.
At least on those days I can change the channel and watch something else but that'll definitely change if the dubs get less grant money as clearly that's what's wrong with football today!!!
Now you have become Judge and Jury on who should and should not get money. Your lovely football team have it all to themselves. Their monopoly on grants, funding, sponsorship, home games and all the Trophies that money can by. "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
I said I don't care how much they get not they should get everything. How is it that acting as judge and jury? You missed the point just like your typical Mayo forward. It must be in your DNA
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 18, 2019, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Yer dead right. That's because he didn't bother to read what I had to say. Neither may I gently suggest have you. If he wants to know why culchies are upset about Dublin's recent dominance anf thinks its all down to pure jealousy, then he seems to knww nothing about the Blue Wave or what way development funds are disbursed.
I just gave facts and figures- nothing magical in that. Anyone with some basic maths would come up with the same results. I never said I felt sorry or glad for those who could play intercounty football if Dublin was split along county boundaries. That's up to Dublin GAA folks but it does mean you are getting along with a very small percentage of the general population and you need all the money you can lay your hands on in order to stay afloat, never mind increase your market share.
The Gah in Dublin is under severe pressure and needs all the cash that's going but that's because of the basket case way your club structure is organised.
Now, that is an opinion but it's based on facts and figures I have posted now and in the past and I will stand over what I am saying.
Unless there is radical change within the association and sooner rather than later, the whole shebang is gonna go tits up.
Hold on, make your mind up. Dublin GAA is a shambles in imminent danger of collapse or a superfinded juggernaut going to win everything for years. Pick one, it cant be both.
Or, you are rei forcing the point that all this is is the whining of culchie thicks who would rather hurl from the ditch than roll up tbe sleeves amd do what Dublin did.
Indeed.
Them lazy Laythrum hoors. They could have won 4 or 5 All Ireland's if they'd just rolled up their sleeves. ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2019, 01:19:59 PM
Indeed.
Them lazy Laythrum hoors. They could have won 4 or 5 All Ireland's if they'd just rolled up their sleeves. ::)
So we agree. There was never some halcyon day when 32 counties were competitive. Some counties are better at football than others. Some smaller counties are better than other smaller counties because they work harder and are better organised. Handicapping Dublin won't make Leitrim any better.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 02:46:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2019, 01:19:59 PM
Indeed.
Them lazy Laythrum hoors. They could have won 4 or 5 All Ireland's if they'd just rolled up their sleeves. ::)
So we agree. There was never some halcyon day when 32 counties were competitive. Some counties are better at football than others. Some smaller counties are better than other smaller counties because they work harder and are better organised. Handicapping Dublin won't make Leitrim any better.
You see Paul, it's this kind of delusion from a lot of Dubs that get's on people's goats. What most would like is for CP to cut down on the bottomless money pit re Dublin and attempt to level the playing field in as much as it can be leveled, what with all the other advantages Dublin enjoy.
I'm curious to read people's different views on what are Dublin's advantages?
How much of them are public knowledge such as them receiving free food or vitamins etc?
How much more are they treated like professional sports men than other counties?
Are they offered jobs as coaches etc rather than them leaving for Aussie rules?
Free new car every 6 months.
A few miles to their Training place.
Not to mention the "coaching staff" as Gavin called them.
Financial subsidy from Central GAA.
6 figure jersey sponsorship.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 19, 2019, 02:54:49 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 02:46:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2019, 01:19:59 PM
Indeed.
Them lazy Laythrum hoors. They could have won 4 or 5 All Ireland's if they'd just rolled up their sleeves. ::)
So we agree. There was never some halcyon day when 32 counties were competitive. Some counties are better at football than others. Some smaller counties are better than other smaller counties because they work harder and are better organised. Handicapping Dublin won't make Leitrim any better.
You see Paul, it's this kind of delusion from a lot of Dubs that get's on people's goats. What most would like is for CP to cut down on the bottomless money pit re Dublin and attempt to level the playing field in as much as it can be leveled, what with all the other advantages Dublin enjoy.
Paul?
If you think its just about money, go out and grab your slice. Stop whinging that another county is better organised. Nobody has pointed to any scheme or fund Dublin are tapping that other counties cant.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2019, 04:30:57 PM
Free new car every 6 months.
A few miles to their Training place.
Not to mention the "coaching staff" as Gavin called them.
Financial subsidy from Central GAA.
6 figure jersey sponsorship.
Dublin players get new cars every 6 months? Really?
DCU is not 'a few miles' for most players. Should they move out to an inaccesuble location?
Dublin invented coaching staff. No other county has them.
Every county gets central funding. The lwvel we can discuss, but give over claiming its just for Dubs.
Should we negotiate sponsors down?
The problem is that its all a bit silly. The idea that Dubs should apologise for being better. Better organised, better commercially, better at planning is laughable. I dont think some of our country cousins appreciate how far behind soccer in terms of playing numbers and reach we are in Dublin. The DCB have done huge work in moving the games outside the heartlands, admittedly often to the detriment of traditional areas.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 19, 2019, 04:30:57 PM
Free new car every 6 months.
A few miles to their Training place.
Not to mention the "coaching staff" as Gavin called them.
Financial subsidy from Central GAA.
6 figure jersey sponsorship.
Dublin players get new cars every 6 months? Really?
DCU is not 'a few miles' for most players. Should they move out to an inaccesuble location?
Dublin invented coaching staff. No other county has them.
Every county gets central funding. The lwvel we can discuss, but give over claiming its just for Dubs.
Should we negotiate sponsors down?
The problem is that its all a bit silly. The idea that Dubs should apologise for being better. Better organised, better commercially, better at planning is laughable. I dont think some of our country cousins appreciate how far behind soccer in terms of playing numbers and reach we are in Dublin. The DCB have done huge work in moving the games outside the heartlands, admittedly often to the detriment of traditional areas.
Fair dues to you for trying but you're up against rabid anti-Dublin begrudgery which I've witnessed on this board and it's predecessor for at least twenty years. So don't think that it's just about Dublin winning - I first experienced it at a time when Dublin couldn't win a game. Some people will always find an excuse to hate Dublin. It's the way it's always been.
The Dubs are so so predictable. ;D
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
When you say "walking the walk", you really mean receiving millions upon millions of euro to buy success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That you or any other Dub can't even mention the money shows that there is a deep guilt there. You will refer to it as "getting our house in order" or terms of similar meaning. You well then refer to anyone who brings up your doping as "begrudgers", "bitter people" etc. If not that you will try to deflect "it's not our fault your county are sh1t" or similar.
This is all a form of lashing out. It really stings that you have no argument against the fact that you were doped to success. None. Instead of facing up to the reality and admitting it to yourselves, you try to convince each other that it's only the nasty culchies telling lies, they are all just jealous etc. I think some Dubs have said this so much that they are actually starting to believe it. But as I said, they know the truth deep down and that's why it hurts. They can't fully enjoy the success because they know it's unjust. The thing is that it won't go away. It's not going to disappear. In 10, 20, 30, 50 years time people will still remember this doping.
It will be like looking back on Michelle Smith. She still has 3 Olympic gold medals, in the record books but then you think, well, she only won them because of the doping.
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
The Dubs are so so predictable. ;D
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
When you say "walking the walk", you really mean receiving millions upon millions of euro to buy success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That you or any other Dub can't even mention the money shows that there is a deep guilt there. You will refer to it as "getting our house in order" or terms of similar meaning. You well then refer to anyone who brings up your doping as "begrudgers", "bitter people" etc. If not that you will try to deflect "it's not our fault your county are sh1t" or similar.
This is all a form of lashing out. It really stings that you have no argument against the fact that you were doped to success. None. Instead of facing up to the reality and admitting it to yourselves, you try to convince each other that it's only the nasty culchies telling lies, they are all just jealous etc. I think some Dubs have said this so much that they are actually starting to believe it. But as I said, they know the truth deep down and that's why it hurts. They can't fully enjoy the success because they know it's unjust. The thing is that it won't go away. It's not going to disappear. In 10, 20, 30, 50 years time people will still remember this doping.
It will be like looking back on Michelle Smith. She still has 3 Olympic gold medals, in the record books but then you think, well, she only won them because of the doping.
You're right. They play and they win. It's an added bonus that it upsets you so much.
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
I'm curious to read people's different views on what are Dublin's advantages?
How much of them are public knowledge such as them receiving free food or vitamins etc?
How much more are they treated like professional sports men than other counties?
Are they offered jobs as coaches etc rather than them leaving for Aussie rules?
More and more people are becoming aware of the level of doping we're dealing with here. The same old excuses just aren't working anymore.
It starts with creating elite level players. This has been done at huge expense. It's what gets ignored by many, often purposely. The games development money is not just to attract more players to play GAA. As part of the master plan, an elite player pathway was created. This had an instant impact and has provided Dublin with a conveyor belt of players who've been trained to a high level both physically and skill wise. This is in both football and hurling. The aim of the elite pathway is to have players fully developed by 20/21 and prepared for senior action at that stage. Underage titles are competed for but kinda irrelevant to the overall scheme. This is the biggest issue in all of this. No matter what you do at senior level, you will find it difficult to achieve anything without the players. For Dublin, this conveyor belt has been financed by money from the government, the GAA and the Leinster council. In other words, it's been financed by everyone, be they a member of the GAA or not. Millions upon millions of euro from all of us has been handed to Dublin GAA to fund this system.
After this, you can add everything else in. The sponsorship money, the huge backroom teams, the free meals, free cars, games at home, population advantage, best facilities, not having to travel, etc etc. But that's just an add on to the major injustice. The player development system was the game changer.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 07:05:11 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
The Dubs are so so predictable. ;D
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
When you say "walking the walk", you really mean receiving millions upon millions of euro to buy success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That you or any other Dub can't even mention the money shows that there is a deep guilt there. You will refer to it as "getting our house in order" or terms of similar meaning. You well then refer to anyone who brings up your doping as "begrudgers", "bitter people" etc. If not that you will try to deflect "it's not our fault your county are sh1t" or similar.
This is all a form of lashing out. It really stings that you have no argument against the fact that you were doped to success. None. Instead of facing up to the reality and admitting it to yourselves, you try to convince each other that it's only the nasty culchies telling lies, they are all just jealous etc. I think some Dubs have said this so much that they are actually starting to believe it. But as I said, they know the truth deep down and that's why it hurts. They can't fully enjoy the success because they know it's unjust. The thing is that it won't go away. It's not going to disappear. In 10, 20, 30, 50 years time people will still remember this doping.
It will be like looking back on Michelle Smith. She still has 3 Olympic gold medals, in the record books but then you think, well, she only won them because of the doping.
You're right. They play and they win. It's an added bonus that it upsets you so much.
;D Lance Armstrong won a lot! The problem for the Dubs is that with every single title won, it's getting closer and closer to the split. Some Dublin supporters are secretly hoping they lose!
God darn it. You've uncovered Dublin's plan to create a master race to bring about world domination.
The county board probably thought they might have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for some people with waaaaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands and over active imaginations😭
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
I'm curious to read people's different views on what are Dublin's advantages?
How much of them are public knowledge such as them receiving free food or vitamins etc?
How much more are they treated like professional sports men than other counties?
Are they offered jobs as coaches etc rather than them leaving for Aussie rules?
More and more people are becoming aware of the level of doping we're dealing with here. The same old excuses just aren't working anymore.
It starts with creating elite level players. This has been done at huge expense. It's what gets ignored by many, often purposely. The games development money is not just to attract more players to play GAA. As part of the master plan, an elite player pathway was created. This had an instant impact and has provided Dublin with a conveyor belt of players who've been trained to a high level both physically and skill wise. This is in both football and hurling. The aim of the elite pathway is to have players fully developed by 20/21 and prepared for senior action at that stage. Underage titles are competed for but kinda irrelevant to the overall scheme. This is the biggest issue in all of this. No matter what you do at senior level, you will find it difficult to achieve anything without the players. For Dublin, this conveyor belt has been financed by money from the government, the GAA and the Leinster council. In other words, it's been financed by everyone, be they a member of the GAA or not. Millions upon millions of euro from all of us has been handed to Dublin GAA to fund this system.
After this, you can add everything else in. The sponsorship money, the huge backroom teams, the free meals, free cars, games at home, population advantage, best facilities, not having to travel, etc etc. But that's just an add on to the major injustice. The player development system was the game changer.
Where is this notion Dublin take more out of the GAA put in come from?
But to sum up, you object to Dublin training players well and treating them well. Because thats something no other county can do.
Thats the level we are at.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
I'm curious to read people's different views on what are Dublin's advantages?
How much of them are public knowledge such as them receiving free food or vitamins etc?
How much more are they treated like professional sports men than other counties?
Are they offered jobs as coaches etc rather than them leaving for Aussie rules?
More and more people are becoming aware of the level of doping we're dealing with here. The same old excuses just aren't working anymore.
It starts with creating elite level players. This has been done at huge expense. It's what gets ignored by many, often purposely. The games development money is not just to attract more players to play GAA. As part of the master plan, an elite player pathway was created. This had an instant impact and has provided Dublin with a conveyor belt of players who've been trained to a high level both physically and skill wise. This is in both football and hurling. The aim of the elite pathway is to have players fully developed by 20/21 and prepared for senior action at that stage. Underage titles are competed for but kinda irrelevant to the overall scheme. This is the biggest issue in all of this. No matter what you do at senior level, you will find it difficult to achieve anything without the players. For Dublin, this conveyor belt has been financed by money from the government, the GAA and the Leinster council. In other words, it's been financed by everyone, be they a member of the GAA or not. Millions upon millions of euro from all of us has been handed to Dublin GAA to fund this system.
After this, you can add everything else in. The sponsorship money, the huge backroom teams, the free meals, free cars, games at home, population advantage, best facilities, not having to travel, etc etc. But that's just an add on to the major injustice. The player development system was the game changer.
Where is this notion Dublin take more out of the GAA put in come from?
But to sum up, you object to Dublin training players well and treating them well. Because thats something no other county can do.
Thats the level we are at.
You see, you are now acting the BULLY!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
I'm curious to read people's different views on what are Dublin's advantages?
How much of them are public knowledge such as them receiving free food or vitamins etc?
How much more are they treated like professional sports men than other counties?
Are they offered jobs as coaches etc rather than them leaving for Aussie rules?
More and more people are becoming aware of the level of doping we're dealing with here. The same old excuses just aren't working anymore.
It starts with creating elite level players. This has been done at huge expense. It's what gets ignored by many, often purposely. The games development money is not just to attract more players to play GAA. As part of the master plan, an elite player pathway was created. This had an instant impact and has provided Dublin with a conveyor belt of players who've been trained to a high level both physically and skill wise. This is in both football and hurling. The aim of the elite pathway is to have players fully developed by 20/21 and prepared for senior action at that stage. Underage titles are competed for but kinda irrelevant to the overall scheme. This is the biggest issue in all of this. No matter what you do at senior level, you will find it difficult to achieve anything without the players. For Dublin, this conveyor belt has been financed by money from the government, the GAA and the Leinster council. In other words, it's been financed by everyone, be they a member of the GAA or not. Millions upon millions of euro from all of us has been handed to Dublin GAA to fund this system.
After this, you can add everything else in. The sponsorship money, the huge backroom teams, the free meals, free cars, games at home, population advantage, best facilities, not having to travel, etc etc. But that's just an add on to the major injustice. The player development system was the game changer.
Where is this notion Dublin take more out of the GAA put in come from?
But to sum up, you object to Dublin training players well and treating them well. Because thats something no other county can do.
Thats the level we are at.
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
God darn it. You've uncovered Dublin's plan to create a master race to bring about world domination.
The county board probably thought they might have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for some people with waaaaaaaaaaay too much time on their hands and over active imaginations😭
Here you go, the Dublin official accounts. Pay close attention to the Strategic Review Committee amount. On average it's been 2.5 million since 2005! That's 35 million euros.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/bhdhme.jpg)
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 19, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
I'm curious to read people's different views on what are Dublin's advantages?
How much of them are public knowledge such as them receiving free food or vitamins etc?
How much more are they treated like professional sports men than other counties?
Are they offered jobs as coaches etc rather than them leaving for Aussie rules?
More and more people are becoming aware of the level of doping we're dealing with here. The same old excuses just aren't working anymore.
It starts with creating elite level players. This has been done at huge expense. It's what gets ignored by many, often purposely. The games development money is not just to attract more players to play GAA. As part of the master plan, an elite player pathway was created. This had an instant impact and has provided Dublin with a conveyor belt of players who've been trained to a high level both physically and skill wise. This is in both football and hurling. The aim of the elite pathway is to have players fully developed by 20/21 and prepared for senior action at that stage. Underage titles are competed for but kinda irrelevant to the overall scheme. This is the biggest issue in all of this. No matter what you do at senior level, you will find it difficult to achieve anything without the players. For Dublin, this conveyor belt has been financed by money from the government, the GAA and the Leinster council. In other words, it's been financed by everyone, be they a member of the GAA or not. Millions upon millions of euro from all of us has been handed to Dublin GAA to fund this system.
After this, you can add everything else in. The sponsorship money, the huge backroom teams, the free meals, free cars, games at home, population advantage, best facilities, not having to travel, etc etc. But that's just an add on to the major injustice. The player development system was the game changer.
Where is this notion Dublin take more out of the GAA put in come from?
But to sum up, you object to Dublin training players well and treating them well. Because thats something no other county can do.
Thats the level we are at.
You see, you are now acting the BULLY!
Wow!!!! I know things are different in rural Ireland than the big smoke but that's some stretch to take the previous post as bullying. You really need to drop your obsession with Dublin, turn off your computer and go out into the real world and experience what I like to call life
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 08:16:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 19, 2019, 07:59:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 07:06:22 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on February 19, 2019, 04:26:43 PM
I'm curious to read people's different views on what are Dublin's advantages?
How much of them are public knowledge such as them receiving free food or vitamins etc?
How much more are they treated like professional sports men than other counties?
Are they offered jobs as coaches etc rather than them leaving for Aussie rules?
More and more people are becoming aware of the level of doping we're dealing with here. The same old excuses just aren't working anymore.
It starts with creating elite level players. This has been done at huge expense. It's what gets ignored by many, often purposely. The games development money is not just to attract more players to play GAA. As part of the master plan, an elite player pathway was created. This had an instant impact and has provided Dublin with a conveyor belt of players who've been trained to a high level both physically and skill wise. This is in both football and hurling. The aim of the elite pathway is to have players fully developed by 20/21 and prepared for senior action at that stage. Underage titles are competed for but kinda irrelevant to the overall scheme. This is the biggest issue in all of this. No matter what you do at senior level, you will find it difficult to achieve anything without the players. For Dublin, this conveyor belt has been financed by money from the government, the GAA and the Leinster council. In other words, it's been financed by everyone, be they a member of the GAA or not. Millions upon millions of euro from all of us has been handed to Dublin GAA to fund this system.
After this, you can add everything else in. The sponsorship money, the huge backroom teams, the free meals, free cars, games at home, population advantage, best facilities, not having to travel, etc etc. But that's just an add on to the major injustice. The player development system was the game changer.
Where is this notion Dublin take more out of the GAA put in come from?
But to sum up, you object to Dublin training players well and treating them well. Because thats something no other county can do.
Thats the level we are at.
You see, you are now acting the BULLY!
Wow!!!! I know things are different in rural Ireland than the big smoke but that's some stretch to take the previous post as bullying. You really need to drop your obsession with Dublin, turn off your computer and go out into the real world and experience what I like to call life
I see wages went up in 2016. That must be the bonuses paid to all the professional footballers on the panel for doing 2 in a row 😉😉😉
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
I see wages went up in 2016. That must be the bonuses paid to all the professional footballers on the panel for doing 2 in a row 😉😉😉
You couldn't even quote my post it upset you so much. ;D I know you knew about the doping for a long time but I'm providing you with figures that show the extent of it. It's hard to accept but you have no other option but to face the facts, you've been supporting a Dublin team doped to the gills.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 12:58:43 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 18, 2019, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Yer dead right. That's because he didn't bother to read what I had to say. Neither may I gently suggest have you. If he wants to know why culchies are upset about Dublin's recent dominance anf thinks its all down to pure jealousy, then he seems to knww nothing about the Blue Wave or what way development funds are disbursed.
I just gave facts and figures- nothing magical in that. Anyone with some basic maths would come up with the same results. I never said I felt sorry or glad for those who could play intercounty football if Dublin was split along county boundaries. That's up to Dublin GAA folks but it does mean you are getting along with a very small percentage of the general population and you need all the money you can lay your hands on in order to stay afloat, never mind increase your market share.
The Gah in Dublin is under severe pressure and needs all the cash that's going but that's because of the basket case way your club structure is organised.
Now, that is an opinion but it's based on facts and figures I have posted now and in the past and I will stand over what I am saying.
Unless there is radical change within the association and sooner rather than later, the whole shebang is gonna go tits up.
Hold on, make your mind up. Dublin GAA is a shambles in imminent danger of collapse or a superfinded juggernaut going to win everything for years. Pick one, it cant be both.
Or, you are rei forcing the point that all this is is the whining of culchie thicks who would rather hurl from the ditch than roll up tbe sleeves amd do what Dublin did.
Can't be both? Oh, yes it can!
It takes increasing chunks of grant money to keep the show on the road. If we were talking about a business venture here, the receivers would have been called in long ago. A bit of basic maths tells its own story.
Okay then, since you insist. Here's the population figures for the Dublin region, based on the census returns of 2016 and 1996, (1,345,000 and 1,058,000 respectively.)
That, by any metric you like, marks a general increase of over 21%.
Has the number of Dublin GAA players increased by anything near that percentage? What about the number of clubs?
I can only think of one new club in that period, (Tyrellstown) and that is struggling for survival. Has general attendance figures gone up 21% in that twenty years?
Unless you can give a definite Yes to those questions, the reality is that Dublin GAA is losing its market share.
On the specifics, Tallaght has a population roughly the same as County Cavan, about 76,000. Tallaght has just one Gaelic club, St. Marks and that hurling. Cavan has a total of 33. There is no way Tallaght has the same percentage of the population involved in GAA affairs as the culchies of Cavan has and the same can be said for the entire Dublin region- all have tiny numbers of the population bothering their arses about Gaelic affairs, club or county.
I don't want to go on and on about facts and figures, they could wreck a head of cabbage. But they may be dry but don't tell lies
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
I see wages went up in 2016. That must be the bonuses paid to all the professional footballers on the panel for doing 2 in a row 😉😉😉
You couldn't even quote my post it upset you so much. ;D I know you knew about the doping for a long time but I'm providing you with figures that show the extent of it. It's hard to accept but you have no other option but to face the facts, you've been supporting a Dublin team doped to the gills.
Imagine the bonuses we'll have to pay out to our professional players if the dubs do 5 in a row. It's lucky they've got all this money you say they do. Of course you could be talking pure s**t What do you think is more likely? Most of us are enjoying Dublin football team and life in 2019 without obsessing over 2016 and 2015. How's that working out for You??
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 08:48:00 PM
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
I see wages went up in 2016. That must be the bonuses paid to all the professional footballers on the panel for doing 2 in a row 😉😉😉
You couldn't even quote my post it upset you so much. ;D I know you knew about the doping for a long time but I'm providing you with figures that show the extent of it. It's hard to accept but you have no other option but to face the facts, you've been supporting a Dublin team doped to the gills.
Imagine the bonuses we'll have to pay out to our professional players if the dubs do 5 in a row. It's lucky they've got all this money you say they do. Of course you could be talking pure s**t What do you think is more likely? Most of us are enjoying Dublin football team and life in 2019 without obsessing over 2016 and 2015. How's that working out for You??
;D Oh I do apologise. I didn't give you the link: file:///C:/Users/DELL/Downloads/Annual%20Accounts%202016.pdf (http://file:///C:/Users/DELL/Downloads/Annual%20Accounts%202016.pdf)
It's the official Dublin county board accounts. Obviously, with the huge level of doping, the Dublin county board would rather these accounts never be seen. Unfortunately for them, St Sylvesters released the 2016 accounts. I'd say they got in trouble for that. :D
That's alright you are living in the past so it takes time for you to catch up with those of usbliving in the present. Mind you I don't think you have a life outside of Dublin GAA. If you only you could contribute something positive to the world instead of all your negative rubbish. Being so angry all the time must be exhausting
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 09:31:22 PM
That's alright you are living in the past so it takes time for you to catch up with those of usbliving in the present. Mind you I don't think you have a life outside of Dublin GAA. If you only you could contribute something positive to the world instead of all your negative rubbish. Being so angry all the time must be exhausting
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
When you say "walking the walk", you really mean receiving millions upon millions of euro to buy success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That you or any other Dub can't even mention the money shows that there is a deep guilt there. You will refer to it as "getting our house in order" or terms of similar meaning. You well then refer to anyone who brings up your doping as "begrudgers", "bitter people" etc. If not that you will try to deflect "it's not our fault your county are sh1t" or similar.
This is all a form of lashing out. It really stings that you have no argument against the fact that you were doped to success. None. Instead of facing up to the reality and admitting it to yourselves, you try to convince each other that it's only the nasty culchies telling lies, they are all just jealous etc. I think some Dubs have said this so much that they are actually starting to believe it. But as I said, they know the truth deep down and that's why it hurts. They can't fully enjoy the success because they know it's unjust. The thing is that it won't go away. It's not going to disappear. In 10, 20, 30, 50 years time people will still remember this doping.
It will be like looking back on Michelle Smith. She still has 3 Olympic gold medals, in the record books but then you think, well, she only won them because of the doping.
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 19, 2019, 09:52:08 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 19, 2019, 09:31:22 PM
That's alright you are living in the past so it takes time for you to catch up with those of usbliving in the present. Mind you I don't think you have a life outside of Dublin GAA. If you only you could contribute something positive to the world instead of all your negative rubbish. Being so angry all the time must be exhausting
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 17, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
When you say "walking the walk", you really mean receiving millions upon millions of euro to buy success. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. That you or any other Dub can't even mention the money shows that there is a deep guilt there. You will refer to it as "getting our house in order" or terms of similar meaning. You well then refer to anyone who brings up your doping as "begrudgers", "bitter people" etc. If not that you will try to deflect "it's not our fault your county are sh1t" or similar.
This is all a form of lashing out. It really stings that you have no argument against the fact that you were doped to success. None. Instead of facing up to the reality and admitting it to yourselves, you try to convince each other that it's only the nasty culchies telling lies, they are all just jealous etc. I think some Dubs have said this so much that they are actually starting to believe it. But as I said, they know the truth deep down and that's why it hurts. They can't fully enjoy the success because they know it's unjust. The thing is that it won't go away. It's not going to disappear. In 10, 20, 30, 50 years time people will still remember this doping.
It will be like looking back on Michelle Smith. She still has 3 Olympic gold medals, in the record books but then you think, well, she only won them because of the doping.
You are a one-trick pony - aren't you. Have you any interest in Gaelic games as such or does your obsession with Dublin take up all your time? You really should seek help.
Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 19, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2019, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 19, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/ (https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/)
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 19, 2019, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2019, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 19, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/ (https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/)
In fairness Aidan O'Shea was a brand ambassador for Audi Ballina and got a car for a couple of years and Joe Canning is a brand ambassador for Audi Galway and has a free car for this year so it's not just the Dubs.
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 20, 2019, 01:18:11 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 19, 2019, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2019, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 19, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/ (https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/)
In fairness Aidan O'Shea was a brand ambassador for Audi Ballina and got a car for a couple of years and Joe Canning is a brand ambassador for Audi Galway and has a free car for this year so it's not just the Dubs.
David Clifford also got a car last week - had it up on his twitter page.
Quote from: toby47 on February 20, 2019, 07:43:38 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 20, 2019, 01:18:11 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 19, 2019, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2019, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 19, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/ (https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/)
In fairness Aidan O'Shea was a brand ambassador for Audi Ballina and got a car for a couple of years and Joe Canning is a brand ambassador for Audi Galway and has a free car for this year so it's not just the Dubs.
David Clifford also got a car last week - had it up on his twitter page.
Can't have. Sure only the dubs get free stuff
Jaysus lads picking on lads for getting cars now, everyone is getting cars these days, even Rory Stories is a brand ambassador. Fair play to them if they can get it.
Again, another Dublin thread full of inaccuracies. Thread number 46 on Dublin. ;)
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 20, 2019, 01:18:11 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 19, 2019, 11:19:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 19, 2019, 11:09:07 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on February 19, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/ (https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/)
In fairness Aidan O'Shea was a brand ambassador for Audi Ballina and got a car for a couple of years and Joe Canning is a brand ambassador for Audi Galway and has a free car for this year so it's not just the Dubs.
Very fair comment. Any comment from From the Bunker who's usually very quick off the mark?
I've no problem with any player getting the free use of cars from anybody and that includes all Dublin lads too, by the way. In general.all concerned are brand ambassadors for some business or other and they get the use of a new car for a year or some advertising work. If the player concerned helps make money/ generate a positive image for the company concerned, then there is a mutually satisfactory agreement in place and what's wrong with that?
On a slightly different tack, I can understand the Gooch using his exploits with Kerry to generate a few handy bob for himself and frig the begrudgers!
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 19, 2019, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 19, 2019, 12:58:43 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 18, 2019, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 17, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 16, 2019, 10:37:53 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 16, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Yer dead right. That's because he didn't bother to read what I had to say. Neither may I gently suggest have you. If he wants to know why culchies are upset about Dublin's recent dominance anf thinks its all down to pure jealousy, then he seems to knww nothing about the Blue Wave or what way development funds are disbursed.
I just gave facts and figures- nothing magical in that. Anyone with some basic maths would come up with the same results. I never said I felt sorry or glad for those who could play intercounty football if Dublin was split along county boundaries. That's up to Dublin GAA folks but it does mean you are getting along with a very small percentage of the general population and you need all the money you can lay your hands on in order to stay afloat, never mind increase your market share.
The Gah in Dublin is under severe pressure and needs all the cash that's going but that's because of the basket case way your club structure is organised.
Now, that is an opinion but it's based on facts and figures I have posted now and in the past and I will stand over what I am saying.
Unless there is radical change within the association and sooner rather than later, the whole shebang is gonna go tits up.
Hold on, make your mind up. Dublin GAA is a shambles in imminent danger of collapse or a superfinded juggernaut going to win everything for years. Pick one, it cant be both.
Or, you are rei forcing the point that all this is is the whining of culchie thicks who would rather hurl from the ditch than roll up tbe sleeves amd do what Dublin did.
Can't be both? Oh, yes it can!
It takes increasing chunks of grant money to keep the show on the road. If we were talking about a business venture here, the receivers would have been called in long ago. A bit of basic maths tells its own story.
Okay then, since you insist. Here's the population figures for the Dublin region, based on the census returns of 2016 and 1996, (1,345,000 and 1,058,000 respectively.)
That, by any metric you like, marks a general increase of over 21%.
Has the number of Dublin GAA players increased by anything near that percentage? What about the number of clubs?
I can only think of one new club in that period, (Tyrellstown) and that is struggling for survival. Has general attendance figures gone up 21% in that twenty years?
Unless you can give a definite Yes to those questions, the reality is that Dublin GAA is losing its market share.
On the specifics, Tallaght has a population roughly the same as County Cavan, about 76,000. Tallaght has just one Gaelic club, St. Marks and that hurling. Cavan has a total of 33. There is no way Tallaght has the same percentage of the population involved in GAA affairs as the culchies of Cavan has and the same can be said for the entire Dublin region- all have tiny numbers of the population bothering their arses about Gaelic affairs, club or county.
I don't want to go on and on about facts and figures, they could wreck a head of cabbage. But they may be dry but don't tell lies
Firstly there are at least 4 clubs in Tallaght. One was in the news a lot about 10 years ago.
But the rest proves my point. Dublin is a very difficult place for the GAA to operate. We are way befind soccer numbers and reach wise, and much as I hate rugby country nonsense, they are growing into working class areas fanwise. So we target kids and then put a structure round those who show talent. And this is the conveyor belt. We will never have huge participation, so why bother. Quality over quantity.
My issue is the traditional areas, like my own, have been left behind to target rugby areas and a better class of parent, but i see the logic.
How much of that 21% are Dubs? And yes, overall crowds are way higher than 20 years ago.
Are we losing market share? Last two years, yes. But for the previous 10 the juggernaut was huge. Now lifelong fans are bored and thats not all Dublins fault. Nonsense like the super 8s hit crowds across the board. So if crowds are wobblling with a magnificent team, what will happen if you make them worse? Be careful what you wish for.
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Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/ (https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/)
In fairness Aidan O'Shea was a brand ambassador for Audi Ballina and got a car for a couple of years and Joe Canning is a brand ambassador for Audi Galway and has a free car for this year so it's not just the Dubs.
Very fair comment. Any comment from From the Bunker who's usually very quick off the mark?
To be fair, I have no problem with Cars! They are just on loan to players and have little or no effect on performance or giving an individual or a team an unfair advantage.
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Great to see another Dublin player get a car for the year
https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20 (https://twitter.com/trollier10/status/1097922241801740293?s=20)
Professionalism in all but name
Yes he's a hurler. But if he's getting that, what are the footballers getting?
Sure I've seen a few of the ladies team receive sponsored cars recently as well.
https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/ (https://www.denismahony.ie/web/brand-ambassadors/)
In fairness Aidan O'Shea was a brand ambassador for Audi Ballina and got a car for a couple of years and Joe Canning is a brand ambassador for Audi Galway and has a free car for this year so it's not just the Dubs.
Very fair comment. Any comment from From the Bunker who's usually very quick off the mark?
To be fair, I have no problem with Cars! They are just on loan to players and have little or no effect on performance or giving an individual or a team an unfair advantage.
;)
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All this concern for Dublin players who drop out because of sheer numbers is very touching. Not sure how I managed to miss it all back when we weren't winning.
Never heard of The Blue Wave initiative or the fact that Dublin gets enough of the coaching development kitty that could pay the wages of a dictator in yer average banana republic?
Nothing to do with what he said though. Suddenly the fans of 31 counties want us broken up to give the nearlymen a shot at county football. Thats new.
Yer dead right. That's because he didn't bother to read what I had to say. Neither may I gently suggest have you. If he wants to know why culchies are upset about Dublin's recent dominance anf thinks its all down to pure jealousy, then he seems to knww nothing about the Blue Wave or what way development funds are disbursed.
I just gave facts and figures- nothing magical in that. Anyone with some basic maths would come up with the same results. I never said I felt sorry or glad for those who could play intercounty football if Dublin was split along county boundaries. That's up to Dublin GAA folks but it does mean you are getting along with a very small percentage of the general population and you need all the money you can lay your hands on in order to stay afloat, never mind increase your market share.
The Gah in Dublin is under severe pressure and needs all the cash that's going but that's because of the basket case way your club structure is organised.
Now, that is an opinion but it's based on facts and figures I have posted now and in the past and I will stand over what I am saying.
Unless there is radical change within the association and sooner rather than later, the whole shebang is gonna go tits up.
Hold on, make your mind up. Dublin GAA is a shambles in imminent danger of collapse or a superfinded juggernaut going to win everything for years. Pick one, it cant be both.
Or, you are rei forcing the point that all this is is the whining of culchie thicks who would rather hurl from the ditch than roll up tbe sleeves amd do what Dublin did.
Can't be both? Oh, yes it can!
It takes increasing chunks of grant money to keep the show on the road. If we were talking about a business venture here, the receivers would have been called in long ago. A bit of basic maths tells its own story.
Okay then, since you insist. Here's the population figures for the Dublin region, based on the census returns of 2016 and 1996, (1,345,000 and 1,058,000 respectively.)
That, by any metric you like, marks a general increase of over 21%.
Has the number of Dublin GAA players increased by anything near that percentage? What about the number of clubs?
I can only think of one new club in that period, (Tyrellstown) and that is struggling for survival. Has general attendance figures gone up 21% in that twenty years?
Unless you can give a definite Yes to those questions, the reality is that Dublin GAA is losing its market share.
On the specifics, Tallaght has a population roughly the same as County Cavan, about 76,000. Tallaght has just one Gaelic club, St. Marks and that hurling. Cavan has a total of 33. There is no way Tallaght has the same percentage of the population involved in GAA affairs as the culchies of Cavan has and the same can be said for the entire Dublin region- all have tiny numbers of the population bothering their arses about Gaelic affairs, club or county.
I don't want to go on and on about facts and figures, they could wreck a head of cabbage. But they may be dry but don't tell lies
Firstly there are at least 4 clubs in Tallaght. One was in the news a lot about 10 years ago.
But the rest proves my point. Dublin is a very difficult place for the GAA to operate. We are way befind soccer numbers and reach wise, and much as I hate rugby country nonsense, they are growing into working class areas fanwise. So we target kids and then put a structure round those who show talent. And this is the conveyor belt. We will never have huge participation, so why bother. Quality over quantity.
My issue is the traditional areas, like my own, have been left behind to target rugby areas and a better class of parent, but i see the logic.
How much of that 21% are Dubs? And yes, overall crowds are way higher than 20 years ago.
Are we losing market share? Last two years, yes. But for the previous 10 the juggernaut was huge. Now lifelong fans are bored and thats not all Dublins fault. Nonsense like the super 8s hit crowds across the board. So if crowds are wobblling with a magnificent team, what will happen if you make them worse? Be careful what you wish for.
I guess the club you are referring to is Thomas Davis and the spat it got into with Shamrock Rovers and the city council over the proposed used of the soccer adium that had been half built in Tallaght.
I imagine Davis, along with Annes Bohernabreena and Ballyboden all draw members from the Tallaght area but, I don't imagine the rank and file in any of them would push the Tallaght connection.
Technically, Bohernabreena is part of Tallaght but the rank and file there don't associate with Tallaght in any way. Just as the residents of Broombridge and that general area would have no affinity with Erin's Isle but in fact they are within the traditional Finglas boundary. AS you don't have parish limits in Dublin, I can't say for certain that any players from that side of the Tolka river play for Oliver Plunkett's but it''s odds-on that they do.
I am pretty serious about what I've been saying about the weaknesses in the Dublin club structures. (Okay, maybe a bit of messing, once in a while.)
In the main, I am going by the findings of the Strategic Review Committee, set up in 2002. (Can't be 100% of the date the report was issued.) The main remit of the committee members was to identify the reason for the very high dropout rate amongst Dublin juvenile layers and to come up with a solution.
There were two main findings; one was that there was a lack of opportunity to continue playing for all but the best as kids grew older. The other was of equal importance; the lack of a community involvement. (I didn't phrase that well, I know.) Take the club I am most familiar with. Erin's Isle. It draws its juvenile members from the local primary schools in the Finglas region.
Nothing wrong with that I suppose but for one thing:
the rivalry, indeed animosity, between schoolkids can be pretty intense and it deters many youngsters from playing club football unless they have a number of their school pals along with them. The fuss erupted when the committee recommended that County Dublin be split in two put paid to all committee recommendations. The report was quietly shelved but the problems still remain and are getting worse.
Most country clubs are glad to have all the young players they have staying on as they get older and the number of teams a club fields grew fewer. In Dublin the reverse is true. I believe that in Dublin club football only the best can continue playing on to at an adult level because of a lack of opportunity to do so.
Sure, young players in any code will stop playing for a good number of reasons and this is not unique to Dublin club football. However, in Dublin some clubs can field more underage players than the combined total of many counties but there is little or no cases where lads have to opt out because there is no room for them at higher age levels.
For all the money in Dublin some GAA clubs have gone out of existence in the last 10 years.
And they might only be 'small clubs' but small clubs are the backbone of the association
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For all the money in Dublin some GAA clubs have gone out of existence in the last 10 years.
And they might only be 'small clubs' but small clubs are the backbone of the association
How many new clubs have been set up?
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For all the money in Dublin some GAA clubs have gone out of existence in the last 10 years.
And they might only be 'small clubs' but small clubs are the backbone of the association
How many new clubs have been set up?
In the last 10 years? Cant think of any.
So 64% of GAA officialdom vote to continue to give Dublin 2 home games in the AI Qtr Final series.
I hope the hoors win 10 in a row.
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So 64% of GAA officialdom vote to continue to give Dublin 2 home games in the AI Qtr Final series.
I hope the hoors win 10 in a row.
Expected vote i suppose by those at the top however when you see comments like this you would have to wonder are they for real?
John Costello, Dublin GAA: On Donegal propose motion.
"I have been attending congress since I was a youth delegate in the late seventies, and I think this is the first motion I have experienced that is divisive and mean-spirited.
Former GAA President, Sean Kelly:
"This is a very negative motino and deserves a negative response. Anyone who wants to beat the Dubs should aspire to do so in Croke Park. That's certainly what we aspire to do in Kerry as we bid to stop the Drive for Five."
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2019, 01:45:37 PM
So 64% of GAA officialdom vote to continue to give Dublin 2 home games in the AI Qtr Final series.
I hope the hoors win 10 in a row.
And attendances drop over the same period.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 23, 2019, 01:45:37 PM
So 64% of GAA officialdom vote to continue to give Dublin 2 home games in the AI Qtr Final series.
I hope the hoors win 10 in a row.
Up to a total of 20 counties harbour no realistic chances of making the Super 8's. That's how many that would need to vote out of 32 to get 64%. The money talks for them. The empire continues to crumble!
Did Donegal get the wording wrong on that motion? Should be fairly simple for the grey haired men in suits to understand at congress. Dublin should only be allowed to play one All Ireland quarter final game in Croke park and not two.
I'm in disbelief if I'm honest , wtf like. What is wrong with them , has everyone lost their balls in modern Ireland . Lackeys
Quote from: larryin89 on February 23, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
I'm in disbelief if I'm honest , wtf like. What is wrong with them , has everyone lost their balls in modern Ireland . Lackeys
There are corporate boxes that can be sold in Croke Park. There is no other (GAA) ground in the country that offer this. Corporate boxes and giving Dublin home matches are a necessity for the coffers. Despite the propaganda, Dublin fans don't travel in the quantities one would expect. But when it is on their door step they will come out in numbers.
This decision is not a football decision it is a business decision.
Absolutely appalling decision.
And Kelly trotting out the old fake news about Everyone wants to play Dublin in Croke Park.
If the gaa hierarchy said the winners of the each provincial championship get 2 home games in the super 8 they could get what want (i.e. Dublin get 2 home games) without making it obvious that they want the revenue of Dublin having 2 home games.
Bad decision for the wider Gaa public but committee men are influenced by income so I thought a smarter wording would have been no nominate the same ground for their home game and neutral game for the quarter final series which would have been a lot harder to turn down as the GAA could say to Dublin you can always nominate Croker for your home quarter final and say Thurles or Nowlan Park or Pairc Ui Coaimh for their neutral game!
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 23, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
Bad decision for the wider Gaa public but committee men are influenced by income so I thought a smarter wording would have been no nominate the same ground for their home game and neutral game for the quarter final series which would have been a lot harder to turn down as the GAA could say to Dublin you can always nominate Croker for your home quarter final and say Thurles or Nowlan Park or Pairc Ui Coaimh for their neutral game!
This had nothing to do with wording or fairness. You could have worded this what ever way you wanted. 64% Were swayed by money and not being disadvantaged by the rule as their county were less likely to be involved in the Super 8.
I'm in disbelief. What is wrong with these people.
Is there a breakdown of delegates voting by county anywhere?
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2019, 04:18:57 PM
I'm in disbelief. What is wrong with these people.
Is there a breakdown of delegates voting by county anywhere?
Where have you been the last couple of years. The GAA intercounty scene is a slave to Croke Park and Dublin GAA. This started with the Leinster Championship a few years ago and has now moved onto the AI series!
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Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2019, 04:18:57 PM
I'm in disbelief. What is wrong with these people.
Is there a breakdown of delegates voting by county anywhere?
Where have you been the last couple of years. The GAA intercounty scene is a slave to Croke Park and Dublin GAA. This started with the Leinster Championship a few years ago and has now moved onto the AI series!
I'm the same. I resisted the easy "it's all about money" answer to many of the issues but when you see the vote and the comments of Kelly and the Wexford and Dublin reps I don't have an alternative response.
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Quote from: larryin89 on February 23, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
I'm in disbelief if I'm honest , wtf like. What is wrong with them , has everyone lost their balls in modern Ireland . Lackeys
There are corporate boxes that can be sold in Croke Park. There is no other (GAA) ground in the country that offer this. Corporate boxes and giving Dublin home matches are a necessity for the coffers. Despite the propaganda, Dublin fans don't travel in the quantities one would expect. But when it is on their door step they will come out in numbers.
This decision is not a football decision it is a business decision.
If you want to blame anyone, blame Cork. Anyone who thinks the GAA will take revenue reducing decisions with a 30ishm hole in the finances is deluded
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I'm in disbelief if I'm honest , wtf like. What is wrong with them , has everyone lost their balls in modern Ireland . Lackeys
There are corporate boxes that can be sold in Croke Park. There is no other (GAA) ground in the country that offer this. Corporate boxes and giving Dublin home matches are a necessity for the coffers. Despite the propaganda, Dublin fans don't travel in the quantities one would expect. But when it is on their door step they will come out in numbers.
This decision is not a football decision it is a business decision.
If you want to blame anyone, blame Cork. Anyone who thinks the GAA will take revenue reducing decisions with a 30ishm hole in the finances is deluded
Yes Cork are to blame. Fair play to Dublin CEO, John Costello who was totally in favour of Dublin only playing one home game in Croke Park for the Super 8's.
Quote from: Crete Boom on February 23, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
Bad decision for the wider Gaa public but committee men are influenced by income so I thought a smarter wording would have been no nominate the same ground for their home game and neutral game for the quarter final series which would have been a lot harder to turn down as the GAA could say to Dublin you can always nominate Croker for your home quarter final and say Thurles or Nowlan Park or Pairc Ui Coaimh for their neutral game!
Absolutely. A proposal that the GAA not fix a neutral game at a venue used a home venue in the series, unless both counties agree, would have been the motion.
Quote from: Maiden1 on February 23, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
If the gaa hierarchy said the winners of the each provincial championship get 2 home games in the super 8 they could get what want (i.e. Dublin get 2 home games) without making it obvious that they want the revenue of Dublin having 2 home games.
Surely there are two Provincial champions in each group?
Perhaps the rule could be after 5 or more provincials in a row, that should ensure Ulster doesn't get it anyway.
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Quote from: larryin89 on February 23, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
I'm in disbelief if I'm honest , wtf like. What is wrong with them , has everyone lost their balls in modern Ireland . Lackeys
It's no surprise tbh. People in our association are very easily nobbled, right down to the grassroots ordinary Joe. What is good for the association is good for you. If you are in support of this motion, you are anti-GAA and effectively you are voting against yourself.
It's not the volunteers that make the association, it's the people who make them volunteer that do.
Classic quote - But don't say it too loud. You will be categorised as 'divisive and mean-spirited'
An absolute disgrace. It's been clear for a while now that Congress is a total fraud. If it was truly democratic, every county board would have had a vote on every one of the motions before congress happens. Then it would just be a matter of turning up and voting as mandated. Instead we get a bunch of old gombeen delegates that turn up and get told what to do by an increasingly Dublin dominated Ard- Comhairle (John Horan and Tom Ryan).
This vote shouldn't even have been close. We're talking about moving one match here in the interest fairness and the integrity of the competition. Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind. Outside of money, is there any other reason that the decision might be beneficial for counties outside of Dublin? Fair play to the likes of Donegal, Mayo, Galway and Cork for voting in favour. Shame on the counties that didn't, particularly the once proud county of Meath, now firmly in the position of the croppy lying down.
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An absolute disgrace. It's been clear for a while now that Congress is a total fraud. If it was truly democratic, every county board would have had a vote on every one of the motions before congress happens. Then it would just be a matter of turning up and voting as mandated. Instead we get a bunch of old gombeen delegates that turn up and get told what to do by an increasingly Dublin dominated Ard- Comhairle (John Horan and Tom Ryan).
This vote shouldn't even have been close. We're talking about moving one match here in the interest fairness and the integrity of the competition. Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind. Outside of money, is there any other reason that the decision might be beneficial for counties outside of Dublin? Fair play to the likes of Donegal, Mayo, Galway and Cork for voting in favour. Shame on the counties that didn't, particularly the once proud county of Meath, now firmly in the position of the croppy lying down.
How did you find out that these counties voted for the motion?
Quote from: larryin89 on February 23, 2019, 02:27:57 PM
I'm in disbelief if I'm honest , wtf like. What is wrong with them , has everyone lost their balls in modern Ireland . Lackeys
Any county that voted to continue to allow Dublin two home games better not say a f**king word if they end up in Dublin's group with two away games like we did last year.
Gobshites.
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Quote from: Crete Boom on February 23, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
Bad decision for the wider Gaa public but committee men are influenced by income so I thought a smarter wording would have been no nominate the same ground for their home game and neutral game for the quarter final series which would have been a lot harder to turn down as the GAA could say to Dublin you can always nominate Croker for your home quarter final and say Thurles or Nowlan Park or Pairc Ui Coaimh for their neutral game!
Absolutely. A proposal that the GAA not fix a neutral game at a venue used a home venue in the series, unless both counties agree, would have been the motion.
Quote from: Maiden1 on February 23, 2019, 02:51:03 PM
If the gaa hierarchy said the winners of the each provincial championship get 2 home games in the super 8 they could get what want (i.e. Dublin get 2 home games) without making it obvious that they want the revenue of Dublin having 2 home games.
Surely there are two Provincial champions in each group?
Perhaps the rule could be after 5 or more provincials in a row, that should ensure Ulster doesn't get it anyway.
Yes 2 provincial champions both get 2 home games
Last year could be
Dublin vs Donegal
Tyrone vs Roscommon
Dublin vs Tyrone
Donegal vs Roscommon
Roscommon vs Dublin
Donegal vs Tyrone
Dublin and Donegal as provincial winners get 2 home games
Donegal played Dublin in Croke Pk and Ros in the Hyde.
Dublin did get 2 games in Croke Park and now will continue to do so.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 24, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
Donegal played Dublin in Croke Pk and Ros in the Hyde.
Dublin did get 2 games in Croke Park and now will continue to do so.
Don't forget semi final and final. Why didn't the motion included them? Very same principal.
Principle.
The GAA delegates had a chance to vote for a measure of fair play yesterday but 64% of them failed the test.
Are there are any county finals played in home grounds of clubs?
I'm sure next time the motion will include the semi and final.
I wouldn't get too bothered about the Super 8s as I can't see the series lasting beyond this year. There may have been a novelty aspect to this competition last year but the inherent weaknesses are there for all to see. Clubs are kicking up a fuss over the cutback on weekends available for their competitions and they have to be listened to.
There aren't enough quality teams about to make the series competitive and the results of too many matches are never in doubt before the ball is thrown in. It's obvious that many players are just going through the motions as they can't be bothered when they know they are going to get nowhere.
Any strong county, aka, Dublin. can use the games against the no-hopers as training/tactical exercises and can't be expected to put their best fifteen on display every time they play.
The upshot of it all is that Gah can't expect to make money out of this mickey mouse series of meaningless games and I cannot see any logic in persevering with it much longer.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2019, 09:44:51 PM
I wouldn't get too bothered about the Super 8s as I can't see the series lasting beyond this year. There may have been a novelty aspect to this competition last year but the inherent weaknesses are there for all to see. Clubs are kicking up a fuss over the cutback on weekends available for their competitions and they have to be listened to.
There aren't enough quality teams about to make the series competitive and the results of too many matches are never in doubt before the ball is thrown in. It's obvious that many players are just going through the motions as they can't be bothered when they know they are going to get nowhere.
Any strong county, aka, Dublin. can use the games against the no-hopers as training/tactical exercises and can't be expected to put their best fifteen on display every time they play.
The upshot of it all is that Gah can't expect to make money out of this mickey mouse series of meaningless games and I cannot see any logic in persevering with it much longer.
I would not get to caught up in most of the other AI championship competitions such as the Leinster and Munster Championships either.
Quote from: Hound on February 24, 2019, 09:35:11 PM
Are there are any county finals played in home grounds of clubs?
I'm sure next time the motion will include the semi and final.
Not that I'm away of.
Maybe in Louth.
I think every provincial winner should get to play in CP. They've won a prize so fair play to them. Donegal's motion was worded correctly. A sad, sad weekend for our association.
There's a growing disillusionment with the way the GAA is going - particularly the high-handed manner in which HQ completely disregards their membership in favour of 'maximising resources'. The GAA as a sporting organisation was always going to have to find a balance between revenue and purely sporting decisions, but they have decided to prioritise revenue at practically every opportunity.
They will kill off the loyal support throughout the country. There have been generations of 'GAA people' that will disappear. Only then will they realise that many Dublin supporters (and I don't mean this disrespectfully) are not the same 'GAA people' and will disappear very quickly if the entertainment value isn't there - they will move on to Man Utd, Leinster Rugby, Shamrock Rovers etc.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on February 24, 2019, 09:44:51 PM
I wouldn't get too bothered about the Super 8s as I can't see the series lasting beyond this year. There may have been a novelty aspect to this competition last year but the inherent weaknesses are there for all to see.
Mayo were definitely missed last year, and the great story of Monaghan's successful path through to the semis was overshadowed by the negative overall media reaction to it. The main negative is the inevitable dead rubbers.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 25, 2019, 06:20:15 AM
I think every provincial winner should get to play in CP. They've won a prize so fair play to them. Donegal's motion was worded correctly. A sad, sad weekend for our association.
When Dublin won Leinster under the old format, it was QF, SF and Final in Croker. The new format guarantees at least one game outside of Croker.
As you said, provincial winners should play in Croke Park.
I believe teams should be able to nominate whatever home venue they wish. If Super 8 was in place in the decade or so when Meath were perennial challengers, they would have chosen Croke Park instead of Navan as their Super 8 home venue. No doubt about it.
While the 4 provincial winners playing each other in Croker makes a lot of sense, the other 4 when they play each other should be in neutral provincial venues. That would mean if Dublin didn't win Leinster but got to the S8, there would only be 1/3 games in Croke Park.
I think they got the order of the games spot on last year, and have made a balls of it this year, again by listening to moaners instead of common sense. Donegal to the fore in this.
The easiest way to qualify for the S8 is by winning your provincial title. You generally play less games that other teams in your province and you have the advantage of only playing one other provincial winner in your S8 group (whereas non-provincial winners will have two provincial champs in their group). Giving them the added advantage of having their home game first is a step too far, and only increases the chances of dead rubbers in the final game.
And remember Phase 2 is the Croke Park round, which means that potential dead rubber round is where the provincial champion will be away. So the one Dublin away game could well count for absolutely nothing.
Donegal playing a blinder.
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 23, 2019, 04:18:57 PM
I'm in disbelief. What is wrong with these people.
Is there a breakdown of delegates voting by county anywhere?
There was a motion at Congress last year or the year before from the GPA to force publication of what way counties vote in every vote so that delegates can be held accountable.......defeated by 82/18%
Sean Kelly was on The GAA Hour podcast from earlier today. I was annoyed with his speech at Congress but he made a lot of sense with his suggestions today. Just infuriating we'll have to wait another year to try and get the change in.
Article from Former Fermanagh Gaa player Colm Bradley.
Colm now works as a journalist https://www.impartialreporter.com/sport/17449069.column-colm-bradley-rock-the-boat-we-should-be-capsizing-it/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/sport/17449069.column-colm-bradley-rock-the-boat-we-should-be-capsizing-it/)
Excellent article
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There is a prevailing sense among most GAA people that you shouldn't rock the boat. Well, amongst GAA officials I should say. Especially when that boat is being navigated by someone further up the food chain. It is why you rarely see county boards being critical of Croke Park. I suppose there might be a bit of the old "biting the hand that feeds you" coming in to it too.
Not that this should really bother Fermanagh officials when it comes to Croke Park. We get the crumbs of the crumbs when it comes to investment.
Regular readers of this column will know the feelings that I have about the direction of travel the association is on. The lack of respect afforded to the club player, the growing elitism of the inter county game and the concerted effort being made to create a multi tier championship just three issues of concerns.
It seems very clear that those who run our games have hitched their wagon to the big counties and see them as the future. From a business viewpoint of course this makes perfect sense. In order to generate maximum profit it is the sensible thing to do. That doesn't however make it the right thing to do. What is frightening, however, is that it is a notion which too often goes unchallenged. And when those of us do challenge it in the media we are seen as crackpots or eternal harbingers of doom.
Before going any further it s really important to get clear what the GAA should be about. Not what it is about in Croke Park. But rather what it is about in clubs up and down the country. And it really is quite simple. When you distil it all down it is so, so simple. It is even there front and centre in the GAA's rulebook. The association is about the promotion of our games.
Now, we seem to have gotten to the stage where promotion means bums on seats and big days out in Croke Park. That may form a tiny part of it, but the major mechanical chunks of that promotion comes from the coaches we encounter.
Think about it. Sure, you might have glorious memories of supporting your team in Croker but I bet, if you are somebody embedded in the GAA, it is those people who have shaped and inspired you as coaches that you remember most.
It makes the uneven distribution of Games Development funding by the GAA all the more galling. Figures have been doing the rounds in the media in recent weeks. It makes for grim reading for Fermanagh.
Between 2007 and 2017 we received €530,000, least of all 32 counties. In the same time Dublin received €16.63M. Yes, that's million. Dublin are grossly overfunded in relation to every other county. That's just the reality.
The GAA made a special case of Dublin in the early 2000s and identified it as an area of special need. It no doubt was. But there are other areas of need, and we are one here in Fermanagh. Games Development funding is for coaching within schools and clubs and people use this fact as a way of saying it cannot be linked to Dublin's success at Inter county level. This is plainly nonsense. The level of their funding means that Dublin can spend a disproportionate percentage of what it raises itself on county team development. So let's knock the notion that there is no correlation between development funding and inter county success on the head right now.
But this column is about coaching development, and not inter county teams, so let's just stick to that. Go back a few years to the "Fermanagh GAA - Review of coaching and games development 2015" which was carried out by Wexford native and long time GAA administrator at Croke Park Micheal Martin.
Mr. Martin came up with six recommendations. Here are three:
3. A cost-analysis should be prepared to outline the required funding required for the full implementation of this plan. This should be used to seek funding from sponsors and from Ulster Council/Croke Park.
4. A football development coordinator should be appointed on a three-year term to deliver the recommendations contained in Section 3 & 4.
6. The county should employ/contract a strength-and-conditioning coach to implement a programme for players from 14 to minor.
Ewan McKenna, a journalist, has brought up this review in a number of articles he has written about the stark differences in funding, citing the fact that when funding was sought by Fermanagh GAA it was not forthcoming from Croke Park.
Here is a tweet from Deirdre Donnelly in reply to a McKenna article posted on twitter:
"A great article, I was coaching officer at the time of the review in @FermanaghGAA we worked so hard & jumped over many obstacles & more, to be be ignored in the end! Without the support of @ClubEirne we would be falling further behind. We don't need millions to be successful!"
The reality is that despite doing everything correctly in terms of carrying out a review and a proper cost analysis the pot was empty when Fermanagh went looking for additional funding. We are still rock bottom of the pile. Yet we pay for these additional coaching positions ourselves because it is the right thing to do for our future. And, it is working too.
But we should be screaming about this blatant unfairness. Our county board officials should be screaming it from the rooftops.
It gets worse. New GAA Director, Tom Ryan, in a recent interview with Colm Parkinson on the latter's podcast addressed the issue of Dublin's funding and the fact other counties don't get additional funding based on a needs basis. Ryan said:
"There are a few extra counties who have been added to that mix in the last 12 months, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow, Louth, Wexford, there are one or two others."
It is obvious that those counties have exerted pressure on Croke Park and unsurprisingly a few extra euro has been found in the pot. Fair play to them.
At the start of this column we talked about the fear of rocking the boat. I would go so far as to say that Fermanagh people, by our nature, have taken this fear to the level of phobia.
The GAA is about promoting our games and we can't shake £50,000 extra from Croke Park to do this? At a time when they are bailing out county boards who can't balance the books and at a time when they can't even tell us by how many millions the development of Pairc Ui Chaoimh has gone over budget.
It is laughable and tragic. Here we are in Fermanagh, running our affairs correctly with Club Eirne raising £200,000 a year, and we can't get any assistance in implementing a plan that an outside official of respected standing in the GAA suggested we carry out.
I will tell you what we are; mugs. And as long as we quietly sit and accept our lot we will continue to be mugs. Rock the boat? We should be capsizing it.
64% of the GAA decision makers certainly told us what they think if fairness at the weekend.
Colm Keys: 'No denying Dubs' Croke Park comforts'
When the topic of conversation on RTÉ's league highlights package on Sunday night turned to Congress and Donegal's motion seeking to prohibit Croke Park as a home venue for any All-Ireland quarter-final series game, Colm O'Rourke and Tomás Ó Sé gave answers you would have expected from men of their respective generations and backgrounds.
O'Rourke's Meath career began and ended with failure to beat Dublin in Croke Park Leinster finals but in between he enjoyed the fruits of five Leinster championship wins over Dublin there in addition to a league final success and countless draws. Taking on Dublin in Croke Park was a badge of honour.
Similarly, Ó Sé's Kerry had a firm hold over Dublin in Croke Park until the genie spilled out of the bottle in 2011 and he too was never going to submit to a personal view that Dublin's residency there was something to back away from.
But Croke Park is a different place to O'Rourke's era and Dublin are a different team to what Ó Sé knew there just a few years ago. The premise of that Donegal motion was based on fairness. Or at least the perception of fairness.
They didn't mention Dublin specifically of course but one county potentially getting to play two games at the venue where they have played all their home games, essentially their home venue, for the last nine years doesn't have the right balance to it in a three-round, round-robin competition.
The 'opportunity' to play in Croke Park against Dublin is no longer the catch it once was given their incredible record there over the last decade.
Only six years ago Kildare gave up home advantage in Newbridge to accommodate the bigger crowd in Croke Park for a Dublin league match which they lost by 11 points. Could we see that happening now?
For sure Dublin win most of their matches on the road anyway.
Repeatedly, their main protagonists have stated openly that they welcome those journeys. But it's how and by how much they win their Croke Park games that frames this debate now against any comparison with previous eras when they played league games there without a word of dissent.
The 'spring series', launched in early 2011, brought Dublin teams back to Croke Park for league games after a gap of almost a decade and a half.
It was deemed a 'win-win' for everyone at the time, more of Dublin's burgeoning support got to see their games in more comfortable surroundings and Croke Park got more use at a time when the international soccer and rugby teams' migration north of the Liffey had ended, leaving the venue a little under-utilised.
Saturday night football in Croke Park was conceived to rival Friday Night Lights in Donnybrook, Leinster rugby's successful promotional tool for the hearts and minds of the Dublin sporting public.
It made economic and promotional success.
But the unintended consequence of that has been the familiarity with the place that it has allowed Dublin to develop over the eight years with 32 'home' league matches, on top of their championship catalogue and 10 league play-off games which would be played there anyway.
Young Dublin players are 'broken in' to Croke Park more seamlessly than any of their competitors and can quickly get up to speed with its dimensions, surroundings and atmosphere. If a horse trainer was permitted to school his charges regularly at a racetrack where the major races were run the same advantage would apply.
Darren Gavin has already featured twice there in a senior inter-county career that is just a few months old. That's twice more than any of the current Leitrim players have played for their county there and just two less than a midfielder of Clare's Gary Brennan status in the game when his international rules cap in 2017, and not his Ballyea All-Ireland club final appearance, is taken into account.
Evan Comerford was starting a fourth match for Dublin in Croke Park on Saturday night and delivered what was arguably the best performance from a Dublin goalkeeping understudy in many years, getting his kick-outs away with far greater ease than he did in Tralee a week earlier. Maybe the place is growing on him.
Anyone who believes that Croke Park is not faster and doesn't bounce differently to other pitches requires another look at the scoring differences.
Home success in the league works out at around 52pc without draws, with Division 1 just slightly above that.
Dublin go much higher than that, primarily because they are the best team around. But they win their Croke Park matches by much more and rack up bigger scores there that makes adjustment in the summer much easier for them.
In those 32 regulation matches they have played there since 2011 they have lost just four - Kerry (2012), Tyrone (2013), Cork (2014) and Monaghan (2018) and drawn three - Mayo (2014), Tyrone (2015 and 2017), scoring 49-467 to their opponents' 22-365, an average of 19.18 to 13.46, a difference of 5.72 points, more than four points above the home win average for the league.
On the road (28 regulation games), that gap closes to 1.54 points (25-359 to 20-331, 15.50 points to 13.96 points on average), a difference of 4.18 points between home and away winning margins.
Given how inconsistent they have been in the league over the same period of time, Kerry may not be the best comparison but they have traditionally been Dublin's biggest rivals and are best placed to compete with them in the coming years.
Their home record pales in comparison, but so too does their rate of scoring. In Tralee and Killarney they have amassed 19-394 from 29 games between 2011 and 2019 to their opponents' 29-328, an average of 15.55 points per game to 14.31 or a difference of 1.24 points per game, significantly less than Dublin's 5.72 points per game.
Some of that can be attributed to the fact that Dublin have been better than Kerry in this period but the advantage would be considerably less if Parnell Park was the chosen home venue.
Would that have consequences for their summer engagements then? Whatever the argument for maintaining the status quo, that it's no real advantage to them can't logically be used.
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Quote from: MayoBuck on February 25, 2019, 10:02:12 PM
Sean Kelly was on The GAA Hour podcast from earlier today. I was annoyed with his speech at Congress but he made a lot of sense with his suggestions today. Just infuriating we'll have to wait another year to try and get the change in.
Seán Kelly's argument was a complete red herring. He tried to make out that the problem was with the wording of the motion and that if it had been worded in such a a way that every team in the Super 8s would get one home, one away and one neutral venue (instead of Croke Park), it might have passed.
This is nonsense. When they were making the rules for the Super 8s, they purposely put in 'Croke Park' instead of 'neutral venue' so that there would still 4 Quarter Finals games in Croke Park, the exact same number of games that were there under the old system. The GAA hierarchy hate to see games taken away from Croker due to the money making infrastructure, the corporate boxes, premium seats, bars, merchandise etc. A game in Croker with an attendance of 30,000 is worth multiple times more to the GAA than a game in a provinvial venue with the exact same attendance.
If Donegal worded that motion the way Séan Kelly has laid out, it would have been defeated by even more than it was. The reality is that he is deflecting to save face. He knows that the public can see this for what it is, money taking precedence over fairness and integrity.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 26, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on February 25, 2019, 10:02:12 PM
Sean Kelly was on The GAA Hour podcast from earlier today. I was annoyed with his speech at Congress but he made a lot of sense with his suggestions today. Just infuriating we'll have to wait another year to try and get the change in.
Seán Kelly's argument was a complete red herring. He tried to make out that the problem was with the wording of the motion and that if it had been worded in such a a way that every team in the Super 8s would get one home, one away and one neutral venue (instead of Croke Park), it might have passed.
This is nonsense. When they were making the rules for the Super 8s, they purposely put in 'Croke Park' instead of 'neutral venue' so that there would still 4 Quarter Finals games in Croke Park, the exact same number of games that were there under the old system. The GAA hierarchy hate to see games taken away from Croker due to the money making infrastructure, the corporate boxes, premium seats, bars, merchandise etc. A game in Croker with an attendance of 30,000 is worth multiple times more to the GAA than a game in a provinvial venue with the exact same attendance.
If Donegal worded that motion the way Séan Kelly has laid out, it would have been defeated by even more than it was. The reality is that he is deflecting to save face. He knows that the public can see this for what it is, money taking precedence over fairness and integrity.
Spot on, premium seats are very valuable to HQ and taking 5 or 6 Dublin games away from Croker is bound to have an affect on sales. Dublin GAA and HQ could get together to fund a new stadium on the outskirts of Dublin and come to an agreement on splitting revenue from the stadium. There's more ways to make money from a stadium and its surroundings than just on matchday especially in Dublin. Surely HQ could make up the shortfall with Croke Park hosting more concerts; I'd like to think that 5 or 6 concerts would generate just as much money as 4 league games and a couple of championship games.
Attendance wise we've seen a total of 50,000 at the league games in Croker, there average enough attendances. Attendances are already on the wane for Dublin and its only going to get worse if their dominance continues.
QuoteIf Donegal worded that motion the way Séan Kelly has laid out, it would have been defeated by even more than it was. The reality is that he is deflecting to save face. He knows that the public can see this for what it is, money taking precedence over fairness and integrity.
Why is Kelly so active on this issue. He is a former President and his views should be irrelevant. Time he learned to take a back seat. Also time that Ryan comes out from whatever office he is bean counting in and interacts with the ordinary supporter. Probably the most low key DG the GAA ever had. We need more than his piece in the annual report.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 26, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on February 25, 2019, 10:02:12 PM
Sean Kelly was on The GAA Hour podcast from earlier today. I was annoyed with his speech at Congress but he made a lot of sense with his suggestions today. Just infuriating we'll have to wait another year to try and get the change in.
Seán Kelly's argument was a complete red herring. He tried to make out that the problem was with the wording of the motion and that if it had been worded in such a a way that every team in the Super 8s would get one home, one away and one neutral venue (instead of Croke Park), it might have passed.
This is nonsense. When they were making the rules for the Super 8s, they purposely put in 'Croke Park' instead of 'neutral venue' so that there would still 4 Quarter Finals games in Croke Park, the exact same number of games that were there under the old system. The GAA hierarchy hate to see games taken away from Croker due to the money making infrastructure, the corporate boxes, premium seats, bars, merchandise etc. A game in Croker with an attendance of 30,000 is worth multiple times more to the GAA than a game in a provinvial venue with the exact same attendance.
If Donegal worded that motion the way Séan Kelly has laid out, it would have been defeated by even more than it was. The reality is that he is deflecting to save face. He knows that the public can see this for what it is, money taking precedence over fairness and integrity.
As it stands there is 5 All Ireland quarter finals played in Croke Park if it was a case of keeping it as it was with 4 then one of the two Dublin Croke Park games should be played elsewhere.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on February 27, 2019, 11:25:20 AM
QuoteIf Donegal worded that motion the way Séan Kelly has laid out, it would have been defeated by even more than it was. The reality is that he is deflecting to save face. He knows that the public can see this for what it is, money taking precedence over fairness and integrity.
Why is Kelly so active on this issue. He is a former President and his views should be irrelevant. Time he learned to take a back seat. Also time that Ryan comes out from whatever office he is bean counting in and interacts with the ordinary supporter. Probably the most low key DG the GAA ever had. We need more than his piece in the annual report.
Kelly was the president when Dublin were awarded the millions of euro. He was on the Strategic Review Committee which looked into how to improve GAA standards in Dublin in the early 2000's. He was a major player in treating Dublin as an investment, making money for the GAA. He saw Dublin as an opportunity. He has a personal interest in defending every unfair advantage Dublin has.
Quote from: priceyreilly on February 27, 2019, 04:46:26 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on February 27, 2019, 11:25:20 AM
QuoteIf Donegal worded that motion the way Séan Kelly has laid out, it would have been defeated by even more than it was. The reality is that he is deflecting to save face. He knows that the public can see this for what it is, money taking precedence over fairness and integrity.
Why is Kelly so active on this issue. He is a former President and his views should be irrelevant. Time he learned to take a back seat. Also time that Ryan comes out from whatever office he is bean counting in and interacts with the ordinary supporter. Probably the most low key DG the GAA ever had. We need more than his piece in the annual report.
Kelly was the president when Dublin were awarded the millions of euro. He was on the Strategic Review Committee which looked into how to improve GAA standards in Dublin in the early 2000's. He was a major player in treating Dublin as an investment, making money for the GAA. He saw Dublin as an opportunity. He has a personal interest in defending every unfair advantage Dublin has.
Yes, saying anything otherwise would be Kelly admitting he was wrong! I'm sure his brethren in Kerry will put a statue up soon for him. :P
Plus, he's stealing a living as an MEP
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
It's astonishing that someone as apparently bright as Philly could be so dumb on a particular subject.
QuoteIt's astonishing that someone as apparently bright as Philly could be so dumb on a particular subject.
Aye, this is one dumb quote by him....
"I think it sends the wrong message out for the next generation. So what we're saying is, 'Right, if we have a team that's successful, let's complain. Let's complain about the rules, let's complain about money, let's complain about the population,' instead of saying, 'Let's actually beat them
when they have all that.'On the one hand at least he is admitting to the financial doping.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
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Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
Dubs just can't win. If for example he'd said funding was unfair you'd have everyone moaning about him/dubs as well only it would be along the lines of even Philly thinks funding is unfair etc. Big bad dublin booooooooooo
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
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Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
Dubs just can't win. If for example he'd said funding was unfair you'd have everyone moaning about him/dubs as well only it would be along the lines of even Philly thinks funding is unfair etc. Big bad dublin booooooooooo
What do the angry brigade think he was going to say?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2019, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 05, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
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Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
Dubs just can't win. If for example he'd said funding was unfair you'd have everyone moaning about him/dubs as well only it would be along the lines of even Philly thinks funding is unfair etc. Big bad dublin booooooooooo
What do the angry brigade think he was going to say?
It'd be fairer if every county was given access to funding
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2019, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 05, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
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Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
Dubs just can't win. If for example he'd said funding was unfair you'd have everyone moaning about him/dubs as well only it would be along the lines of even Philly thinks funding is unfair etc. Big bad dublin booooooooooo
What do the angry brigade think he was going to say?
It'd be fairer if every county was given access to funding
They are, and every county gets it. Dont let facts get in the way of tired loser talk.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2019, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 05, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
Dubs just can't win. If for example he'd said funding was unfair you'd have everyone moaning about him/dubs as well only it would be along the lines of even Philly thinks funding is unfair etc. Big bad dublin booooooooooo
What do the angry brigade think he was going to say?
It'd be fairer if every county was given access to funding
They are, and every county gets it. Dont let facts get in the way of tired loser talk.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche"
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2019, 08:12:13 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 04:02:22 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 05, 2019, 03:54:48 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on March 05, 2019, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
Dubs just can't win. If for example he'd said funding was unfair you'd have everyone moaning about him/dubs as well only it would be along the lines of even Philly thinks funding is unfair etc. Big bad dublin booooooooooo
What do the angry brigade think he was going to say?
It'd be fairer if every county was given access to funding
They are, and every county gets it. Dont let facts get in the way of tired loser talk.
OK, I'm part of a large urban club how do I get access to 50% funding for a gpo?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
The point is that the games development funding didn't go anywhere near the likes of Philly and his ilk. It was volunteer members who gave him all his coaching.
Quote from: Hound on March 06, 2019, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
The point is that the games development funding didn't go anywhere near the likes of Philly and his ilk. It was volunteer members who gave him all his coaching.
What magic fairy provided the funding for all the paid coaches in the schools and clubs, who also take coaching sessions with development squads
Quote from: Hound on March 06, 2019, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
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Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
The point is that the games development funding didn't go anywhere near the likes of Philly and his ilk. It was volunteer members who gave him all his coaching.
+1
some people don't want to hear it though.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 06, 2019, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 06, 2019, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
********
Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
The point is that the games development funding didn't go anywhere near the likes of Philly and his ilk. It was volunteer members who gave him all his coaching.
What magic fairy provided the funding for all the paid coaches in the schools and clubs, who also take coaching sessions with development squads
Games development coaches do not take Dublin development squads! Outright lie, again.
Dublin development squads are taken by unpaid ex-Dubs players mostly, e.g. when my lad was involved a couple of years ago (for a very short time!) Stephen O'Shaughnessy, Declan Lally, David Henry were among the coaches. Ciaran Whelan and Paddy Christie used to be involved. And many more.
Outside GDO's taking 4-8 year olds who aren't on teams, if you wanna get paid for coaching in Dublin, become manager of a Senior Division 1 or 2 team (preferably not your own club). Same shite that goes on in many/most counties.
Quote from: Hound on March 06, 2019, 05:06:24 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 06, 2019, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 06, 2019, 12:33:42 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/philly-mcmahons-message-for-dublins-rivals-stop-complaining-about-us-and-start-competing-908744.html)
Critics point out that Dublin GAA receives by far the highest coaching funding from Croke Park despite having their own commercial department and being in a position to strike lucrative sponsorship deals no other county can.
"I didn't see all this money, I didn't get any money," said McMahon. "What money did I get from that, from the figures that have been going around? I got Paddy Christie coming to my school, taking me out of class, and telling me to come up and train in Poppintree Park. That's what I got!
********
Not even the Dublin players understand the imbalance in funding compared to other counties
The point is that the games development funding didn't go anywhere near the likes of Philly and his ilk. It was volunteer members who gave him all his coaching.
What magic fairy provided the funding for all the paid coaches in the schools and clubs, who also take coaching sessions with development squads
Games development coaches do not take Dublin development squads! Outright lie, again.
Dublin development squads are taken by unpaid ex-Dubs players mostly, e.g. when my lad was involved a couple of years ago (for a very short time!) Stephen O'Shaughnessy, Declan Lally, David Henry were among the coaches. Ciaran Whelan and Paddy Christie used to be involved. And many more.
Outside GDO's taking 4-8 year olds who aren't on teams, if you wanna get paid for coaching in Dublin, become manager of a Senior Division 1 or 2 team (preferably not your own club). Same shite that goes on in many/most counties.
Too much truth. They wont be able to handle it.
Lads if ye are getting all this money and it is not going towards coaching the likes of an underage (and Adult) Philly and it is not going towards the repayments on a stadium, not going towards a centre of excellence, not going on travelling expenses for players? Where are all these huge amounts of money going?
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 07, 2019, 09:33:10 AM
Lads if ye are getting all this money and it is not going towards coaching the likes of an underage (and Adult) Philly and it is not going towards the repayments on a stadium, not going towards a centre of excellence, not going on travelling expenses for players? Where are all these huge amounts of money going?
I would say the majority goes to GDO salaries, but I am not certain of the make up of the distribution of the development money.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 07, 2019, 09:33:10 AM
Lads if ye are getting all this money and it is not going towards coaching the likes of an underage (and Adult) Philly and it is not going towards the repayments on a stadium, not going towards a centre of excellence, not going on travelling expenses for players? Where are all these huge amounts of money going?
90 coaches by €14,000 is approx the Games Development Funds that Dublin receives each year.
And for avoidance of doubt, of course the senior team is well looked after in terms of meals, gear, paid staff looking after them (dieticians etc), but this is funded by AIG and other sponsorship type money and the general funding from GAA that everyone gets. Allocation of sponsorship funding is a completely different question.
But the Games Development Funds is a complete red herring in terms of coming up with reasons why Dublin are dominant.
Read this on the RTE website in an article about young Sean O'Shea
"Currans (Kerry's centre of excellence) has been a focal points for all of the players, especially for the development squads.
"Their gym is there, the pitches are there, they have their food there. It makes a big, big difference.
Just got me thinking what food do the players receive now around the country. I heard a few years ago the Dubs get all their good quality food given to them for free. Does anyone know what exactly this entails? I mean does Tesco deliver to them every week and what do they get or is it just meals after a training session?
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 07, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
Read this on the RTE website in an article about young Sean O'Shea
"Currans (Kerry's centre of excellence) has been a focal points for all of the players, especially for the development squads.
"Their gym is there, the pitches are there, they have their food there. It makes a big, big difference.
Just got me thinking what food do the players receive now around the country. I heard a few years ago the Dubs get all their good quality food given to them for free. Does anyone know what exactly this entails? I mean does Tesco deliver to them every week and what do they get or is it just meals after a training session?
All used to get specialised meals on a daily basis (meals dealing with proper amounts of protein, carbohydrates etc). Not sure now however. I'd be surprised if they still don't. I'd say other counties are similar.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 07, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
Read this on the RTE website in an article about young Sean O'Shea
"Currans (Kerry's centre of excellence) has been a focal points for all of the players, especially for the development squads.
"Their gym is there, the pitches are there, they have their food there. It makes a big, big difference.
Just got me thinking what food do the players receive now around the country. I heard a few years ago the Dubs get all their good quality food given to them for free. Does anyone know what exactly this entails? I mean does Tesco deliver to them every week and what do they get or is it just meals after a training session?
A bit there about the food players receive https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/food-for-thought-as-gaa-teams-move-with-the-times-1.3694087
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 08, 2019, 12:31:00 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-dubs-live-it-up-in-gaas-parallel-universe-38193557.html
Dublin players dont have to work while lads in Leitrim and Longford have to move abroad for summer.
That comment is "divisive and mean spirited"!
That last sentence
"The voices from the empty seats sending a clear message...."