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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: Today at 12:42:32 PM »
AZ or Dinny, can you explain what’s happening underage with Ireland?
Beat Japan, just about to stay in the top level of the world U-20 comp. everything you hear about Leinster talks about the conveyor belt of talent. These don’t seem compatible

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GAA Discussion / Re: Connacht Senior Championship 2018
« on: June 17, 2018, 05:34:40 PM »
Rossies have really imploded

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Poor young lad.

I'm hopeful for this Ross team, no superstars but savage work ethic and able to deal with sticky situations in bith games to date

That’s a bit uncalled for, John Maughan is a gentleman

Looks like his son and comrades gave you ur answer today
3-16 to 1-6 final score

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General discussion / Re: Podcasts
« on: June 15, 2018, 01:18:00 PM »
Dan Carlins 5 episodes (about 15 hours) on the First World war was a great listen.

Excellent

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GAA Discussion / Re: Limerick v Mayo, Gaelic Grounds. 9/6/18.
« on: June 10, 2018, 12:10:44 PM »
Gooch 4.14
COC 7.17
Mikey Sheehy 6.49
John Doyle 4.27
P Joyce 4.02
B Brogan J 4.47
Paddy Bradley 5.75
S McDonnell 3.75
Maurice 4.16
B Stafford 5.68

All championship, some scoring from Cillian







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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 02:55:55 PM »
I wouldn't see why Clyne would go. He was a mainstay in the team the season before this and you'd have to think that one of Robertson or TAA will struggle in their second season. Gomez was meant to be an England regular up until his injury and he's just forgotten about too.
I'd be very surprised if Clyne went

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 31, 2018, 08:52:01 AM »
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/football/liverpool-make-bid-for-lyons-nabil-fekir-161914

Looks like things are moving fairly quickly all round

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For Mayo, the counties we have yet to play in championship are:

Munster
Waterford

Ulster
Antrim
Monaghan

Leinster
Wicklow
Carlow
Kilkenny

There's a good chance one of these counties will be dropping off this list in a couple of weeks time.

Hopefully we'll scratch that Carlow itch. And a good chance we'll be meeting Monaghan in the Super 8s

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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: May 28, 2018, 12:27:47 PM »
Fair enough, I stand corrected. Surprised at that to be honest. Although I suppose FF's vote has collapsed in Dublin, so it's probably a more rural vote, which was closer in most cases anyway I think.

I think its 33 out of 41 FF TDs were opposed including would be successors to MM Michael McGrath and Dara Calleary.

I won't be one for giving credit to FF but I think it was exceptionally courageous what MM did. He was one of the first party leaders to declare and did so very strongly and can't have been easy given the level of opposition in his party.
Its left FF as a bit of a mess

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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: May 25, 2018, 12:23:58 AM »
Anyone pregnant girl 17 or under has been raped in the eyes of the law

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General discussion / Re: Corny One for Friday
« on: May 24, 2018, 02:47:06 PM »
To the guy who stole my microsoft office, I will track you down, you have my word

I heard a rumour cadburys are bringing out an oriental chocolate bar.............its a chinese wispa

My friend died because we couldn't remember his blood type. it was awful. As he died he kept telling us to be positive but its hard without him

Did you hear about the man that got sacked by the circus? He's suing them for funfair dismissal

A man died in the nestle factory yesterday. A pallet fell on top of him. He tried to call for help but every time he shouted " the milky bars are on me" everyone just cheered

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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: May 24, 2018, 11:06:34 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/23/the-guardian-view-on-the-abortion-referendum-irelands-choice-will-have-a-global-impactq2w

This is, as it must be, Ireland’s decision. But its impact will not end there. It will be felt first in Northern Ireland, with its own punitive laws, and then globally. The influx of cash from foreign anti-abortion groups shows that the vote must be understood in the context of efforts to roll back rights, from the US to Brazil to Poland. A yes vote would hearten those resisting the pressure, a no vote embolden those trying to ban safe, legal abortions. Moreover, the amendment exports rather than halts abortions. In recent decades more than 150,000 Irish women have travelled to have abortions, mostly to England. Others use smuggled pills, risking prosecution if they subsequently need medical attention.

For the truth is that voters are not deciding whether women should have abortions, but where they have them and under what circumstances. The eighth amendment merely creates unnecessary trauma for women and denies abortion to a small number who are in the most difficult circumstances – unable to travel due to their immigration status, poverty, a controlling partner, or their medical condition. That bar has even proved fatal: Savita Halappanavar died from septicaemia following a miscarriage, having been repeatedly refused an abortion. Though her death led to a new law allowing abortions where the mother’s life is at “substantial” risk, the shock it caused nonetheless galvanised the push for more fundamental reform.

These are the uncomfortable realities of the current system. Set against them are of course deeply rooted moral convictions, but also a no campaign fuelled by myths and downright lies. Proposed new legislation would ensure that controls remained on access to abortion. Liberalisation would not result in the widespread abortion of foetuses with Down’s syndrome, as doctors have made clear. And it is not only insulting but flagrantly untrue to suggest that women will seek abortion on a whim.

These attempts to twist facts and stoke sentiment reflect a reactionary, cynical populism familiar from the pro-Brexit and Trump campaigns. Save the Eighth campaigners have urged the public not to trust politicians and have painted themselves as brave anti-establishment voices, latching on to a half-truth: for Ireland has indeed undergone a profound shift in its social attitudes, and what was once controversial now looks like common sense to many. In 1983, 67% of voters supported introducing the amendment. This time, the outcome is too close to call. The taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, has campaigned for yes, though less vigorously than many had hoped.

Excellent point Seafoid, very good post IMO

The comparison to Trump is very apt I think. The attitude of people who were against Trump reminds me of the YES people and this thread has been a perfect example. Their aggressive behaviour is more likely to push middle of the road people away from their point than towards it

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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: May 23, 2018, 10:18:37 AM »
Jesus this is hard work to have an actual debate.

Far enough it wasn't exactly what Rudi said, there are people with DS under 20.

But from that article, across an 8 year period anyone who found out they were carrying a DS baby terminated the pregnancy.

This is one of the arguments from the No side and I would like someone from the YES side to counter it

For the record I'll be voting yes but not because I think its a woman body and therefore her choice, I believe there is a second person involved (three if you include the father which I would, its as much our responsibility)

I also don't buy the FFA, I think this could be legislated for along with the rape/incest cases, messy but it could be done and as I've said before it accounts for less than 1% of pregnancies, thats not how legislation should work

Neither do I buy the argument that women are running the risk of a 14yr sentence, its never been handed down.

I'll be voting yes because I think its better/safer that women who are having abortions can have local care. The abortions will happen anyway, I never knew about abortion pills but if someone (probably young girl) is doing something like that then they need access to medical care. I think it will also help elevate some of the stress from what is already a stressful period

Facts are facts. They're not open to debate or interpretation, unless you're Donald Trump and Kellyanne Conway, so yes you might find it difficult to debate with people who won't tolerate lies and disinformation.

Why are you looking for someone from the Yes side to counter the argument that people in Iceland terminate DS babies? Nobody appears to be disputing it. A significant majority of people have the test done, and of those with a positive diagnosis, almost all abort. Again, facts. That's their right to, under Icelandic law.

As for FFA, it has been shown time and time again that it can't be legislated for. As so many have asked, if it could be, why has nobody in 30+ years proposed it?!

You're mistaking lack of capacity and lack of appetite, theres a massive difference

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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: May 23, 2018, 10:13:41 AM »
Far enough it wasn't exactly what Rudi said, there are people with DS under 20.

But from that article, across an 8 year period anyone who found out they were carrying a DS baby terminated the pregnancy.

This is one of the arguments from the No side and I would like someone from the YES side to counter it

I can’t settle an argument between the Yes and No side as to the veracity of all these statistics but for what’s it worth.  I think that there are 4 major factors that drive these stats in Iceland:

1)   Availability of chromosome testing
2)   Availability of abortion
3)   Medical Professionals attitude’s to DS
4)   Societal attitudes to DS

Regardless of the 8th amendment, trying to block 1&2 is finger in the dam stuff.  So if LoveBoth and their assorted allies care about people DS, they will work on 3 & 4 regardless of the outcome on Friday.

Now, for a lot of their main spokespeople, this is not something they have shown to do before. 

So you know: this is why Down Syndrome Ireland reacted when Senator Ronan Mullen brought DS up in an article in the Irish Times a few months back.

/Jim.

Thanks Jim, good post. I had a conversation with the OH at the weekend about this and what we would do. It would be a tough call for anyone which probably leads towards your point 4 and Iceland v ireland

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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: May 23, 2018, 09:20:41 AM »
I was interested in Rudi's claim about Iceland, turns out its pretty much true, not quiet but it seems that IF people find out about their child having DS then they terminate

from 2007 to 2015 every single pregnant woman in Iceland terminated a fetus with Down syndrome following a positive diagnosis

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/behind-the-lens-disappearing-down-syndrome/ you

Another tough one to call, its very different finding out after 3 months to actually having the baby and then finding out

Well no, his post was utter bollocks.

He claimed, as absolute fact, that the youngest person in Iceland with Down's Syndrome was 20. Zero evidence provided. There's no "pretty much true" here at all. He's 100% wrong.

He also claimed that "Clearly they have a cultural policy to eliminate the weakest or those who do not conform to some ideal model" despite the fact it is obvious that each case is an individual decision a) to get the test and then b) to decide whether to terminate or not.

He also then completely whiffed on the nature of Savita Halapanavar's death.

Jesus this is hard work to have an actual debate.

Far enough it wasn't exactly what Rudi said, there are people with DS under 20.

But from that article, across an 8 year period anyone who found out they were carrying a DS baby terminated the pregnancy.

This is one of the arguments from the No side and I would like someone from the YES side to counter it

For the record I'll be voting yes but not because I think its a woman body and therefore her choice, I believe there is a second person involved (three if you include the father which I would, its as much our responsibility)

I also don't buy the FFA, I think this could be legislated for along with the rape/incest cases, messy but it could be done and as I've said before it accounts for less than 1% of pregnancies, thats not how legislation should work

Neither do I buy the argument that women are running the risk of a 14yr sentence, its never been handed down.

I'll be voting yes because I think its better/safer that women who are having abortions can have local care. The abortions will happen anyway, I never knew about abortion pills but if someone (probably young girl) is doing something like that then they need access to medical care. I think it will also help elevate some of the stress from what is already a stressful period

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