Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
Is it just me,but I cannot warm to ladies playing team sports traditionally the preserve of males,like soccer,Gaelic Football,Rugby Union.
Would you not go for the Jersey swaps at the end Tony?
Cork did to ladies football what Dublin are in the process of doing to mens football.
Cora Staunton battling through the last 15 years all the while carrying a county is the real story today. She is without a doubt the GoAT. I hope they finish the job in the final and she can go out on the high she deserves.
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.
It was all the response your comment was worth.
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.
It was all the response your comment was worth.
So, no answers. You're confirming my already low impression of you as a poster.
Women's GAA has a problem in terms of media coverage. It's patronising, fawning and deeply uncritical. It's treated in the media as the sporting equivalent of a charity case.
It's because of media coverage like this and patronising, uncritical attitudes like yours that the games continue to be very mediocre.
Compare that to the coverage of Ireland's women's Rugby World Cup campaign, was was rightly deeply critical of the team and management.
One is treated as sport, the other is treated as charity.
You've spouted this rubbish before. Can you please point me to the critical ladies rugby coverage and the benign ladies football coverage? The GAA coverage is usually less savage as it's amateur and more local but it's bollox to say coverage of ladies GAA is patronising or fawning.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
What made her not an athlete?
Split cork in 2
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
You've spouted this rubbish before. Can you please point me to the critical ladies rugby coverage and the benign ladies football coverage? The GAA coverage is usually less savage as it's amateur and more local but it's bollox to say coverage of ladies GAA is patronising or fawning.
I made a post last year rightly criticising the standard of women's GAA.
Instead of people actually engaging with the reality, people just went into a huff and embarrassed themselves in their reactions.
I can point you to the critical coverage of women's rugby. It was on RTE's live coverage of the recent World Cup where Fiona Steed and Lynne Cantwell provided extensive expert analysis. They didn't spare any feelings and treated the event as a serious sporting competition with analysis befitting of such, which made the whole thing a much better spectacle for the viewer. I've never seen that happen with women's GAA.
Malachy Clerkin made this point in a column.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/rt%C3%A9-panel-s-forensic-analysis-good-for-irish-women-s-rugby-1.3185259
With women's GAA we get nothing but plamasing which treats the viewer as a child - we don't get serious analysis, we get guff from Des Cahill and Cyril Farrell refusing to ever point out the shocking mistakes which so regularly happen, we get the nonsense of "they train just as hard as the men" and "that was better than the vast majority of men's matches".
All they're missing is sticking a little star on the players chests and giving them a pat on the head as if they were at a kid's summer camp.
They still wear skirts in camogie, for fook's sake.
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 03, 2017, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
What made her not an athlete?
The fact that she so obviously isn't one. Athletes don't run as if they're an overweight 52 year old man desperately trying to catch the last bus after four pints in the pub.
Joe Canning and Sean Quigley are no athletes either but I doubt anybody would claim it was anti-men to say such.
Dublin proved last week what atheticism is - Tyrone couldn't get near them. That's the bar for being able to call one's self an athlete.
When the Olympics come around you sometimes hear the likes of Jerry Kiernan say that GAA players don't know the meaning of hard training in comparison to our Olympic athletes. He has a point about the vast majority of them.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
How Irish of you.
Top class group of players. Although like many great teams that span a long period of time, it wasn't really just one team but 2/3 that transitioned seamlessly. They were always likely to fall short this year after losing so many players in a short space of time. They will still win at least 5 of the next 10 all-Irelands.
Mayo could send Cora out on the perfect note, but I feel Dublin will have enough to take it.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
You've spouted this rubbish before. Can you please point me to the critical ladies rugby coverage and the benign ladies football coverage? The GAA coverage is usually less savage as it's amateur and more local but it's bollox to say coverage of ladies GAA is patronising or fawning.
I made a post last year rightly criticising the standard of women's GAA.
Instead of people actually engaging with the reality, people just went into a huff and embarrassed themselves in their reactions.
I can point you to the critical coverage of women's rugby. It was on RTE's live coverage of the recent World Cup where Fiona Steed and Lynne Cantwell provided extensive expert analysis. They didn't spare any feelings and treated the event as a serious sporting competition with analysis befitting of such, which made the whole thing a much better spectacle for the viewer. I've never seen that happen with women's GAA.
Malachy Clerkin made this point in a column.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/rt%C3%A9-panel-s-forensic-analysis-good-for-irish-women-s-rugby-1.3185259
With women's GAA we get nothing but plamasing which treats the viewer as a child - we don't get serious analysis, we get guff from Des Cahill and Cyril Farrell refusing to ever point out the shocking mistakes which so regularly happen, we get the nonsense of "they train just as hard as the men" and "that was better than the vast majority of men's matches".
All they're missing is sticking a little star on the players chests and giving them a pat on the head as if they were at a kid's summer camp.
They still wear skirts in camogie, for fook's sake.
No, you posted complete rubbish claiming other female sports were proper sports or some such nonsense despite the fact that many international Irish teams are littered with footballers. I watched Mayo v Cork last night and it was excellent with a number of players showing incredible athleticism. You claimed ladies footballers couldn't solo for Christ sake and anyone watching yesterdays game would know what utter rubbish that statement is.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 11:40:36 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on September 03, 2017, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
What made her not an athlete?
The fact that she so obviously isn't one. Athletes don't run as if they're an overweight 52 year old man desperately trying to catch the last bus after four pints in the pub.
Joe Canning and Sean Quigley are no athletes either but I doubt anybody would claim it was anti-men to say such.
Dublin proved last week what atheticism is - Tyrone couldn't get near them. That's the bar for being able to call one's self an athlete.
When the Olympics come around you sometimes hear the likes of Jerry Kiernan say that GAA players don't know the meaning of hard training in comparison to our Olympic athletes. He has a point about the vast majority of them.
Fair enough. It was a genuine question as I don't watch ladies GAA. You mention the Olympics tho. Would your say everybody who competes there are athletes?
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2017, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
You've spouted this rubbish before. Can you please point me to the critical ladies rugby coverage and the benign ladies football coverage? The GAA coverage is usually less savage as it's amateur and more local but it's bollox to say coverage of ladies GAA is patronising or fawning.
I made a post last year rightly criticising the standard of women's GAA.
Instead of people actually engaging with the reality, people just went into a huff and embarrassed themselves in their reactions.
I can point you to the critical coverage of women's rugby. It was on RTE's live coverage of the recent World Cup where Fiona Steed and Lynne Cantwell provided extensive expert analysis. They didn't spare any feelings and treated the event as a serious sporting competition with analysis befitting of such, which made the whole thing a much better spectacle for the viewer. I've never seen that happen with women's GAA.
Malachy Clerkin made this point in a column.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/rt%C3%A9-panel-s-forensic-analysis-good-for-irish-women-s-rugby-1.3185259
With women's GAA we get nothing but plamasing which treats the viewer as a child - we don't get serious analysis, we get guff from Des Cahill and Cyril Farrell refusing to ever point out the shocking mistakes which so regularly happen, we get the nonsense of "they train just as hard as the men" and "that was better than the vast majority of men's matches".
All they're missing is sticking a little star on the players chests and giving them a pat on the head as if they were at a kid's summer camp.
They still wear skirts in camogie, for fook's sake.
No, you posted complete rubbish claiming other female sports were proper sports or some such nonsense despite the fact that many international Irish teams are littered with footballers. I watched Mayo v Cork last night and it was excellent with a number of players showing incredible athleticism. You claimed ladies footballers couldn't solo for Christ sake and anyone watching yesterdays game would know what utter rubbish that statement is.
I made the exact same points I've made here.
Loads of the players can't solo or find it very difficult to do so.
The skills are in general very poor.
Did you see the penalty Cork had late in the game?
A powder puff effort along the ground that a 10 year old boy would have been embarrassed about. And this sort of thing is a regular occurrence.
Check this out if think players don't have problems with basic skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EnmCb26i_c
Absolutely, many other women's sports can be considered elite and be taken seriously as such.
Women's GAA is a basically a hobby for those involved and it shows.
You get the odd genuinely class player like Cora Staunton but an odd class player isn't nearly enough to call something "elite".
The plamasing guff here is the ultimate in sexism. The posters who engage in such are treating women like children.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2017, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
You've spouted this rubbish before. Can you please point me to the critical ladies rugby coverage and the benign ladies football coverage? The GAA coverage is usually less savage as it's amateur and more local but it's bollox to say coverage of ladies GAA is patronising or fawning.
I made a post last year rightly criticising the standard of women's GAA.
Instead of people actually engaging with the reality, people just went into a huff and embarrassed themselves in their reactions.
I can point you to the critical coverage of women's rugby. It was on RTE's live coverage of the recent World Cup where Fiona Steed and Lynne Cantwell provided extensive expert analysis. They didn't spare any feelings and treated the event as a serious sporting competition with analysis befitting of such, which made the whole thing a much better spectacle for the viewer. I've never seen that happen with women's GAA.
Malachy Clerkin made this point in a column.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/rt%C3%A9-panel-s-forensic-analysis-good-for-irish-women-s-rugby-1.3185259
With women's GAA we get nothing but plamasing which treats the viewer as a child - we don't get serious analysis, we get guff from Des Cahill and Cyril Farrell refusing to ever point out the shocking mistakes which so regularly happen, we get the nonsense of "they train just as hard as the men" and "that was better than the vast majority of men's matches".
All they're missing is sticking a little star on the players chests and giving them a pat on the head as if they were at a kid's summer camp.
They still wear skirts in camogie, for fook's sake.
No, you posted complete rubbish claiming other female sports were proper sports or some such nonsense despite the fact that many international Irish teams are littered with footballers. I watched Mayo v Cork last night and it was excellent with a number of players showing incredible athleticism. You claimed ladies footballers couldn't solo for Christ sake and anyone watching yesterdays game would know what utter rubbish that statement is.
I made the exact same points I've made here.
Loads of the players can't solo or find it very difficult to do so.
The skills are in general very poor.
Did you see the penalty Cork had late in the game?
A powder puff effort along the ground that a 10 year old boy would have been embarrassed about. And this sort of thing is a regular occurrence.
Check this out if think players don't have problems with basic skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EnmCb26i_c
Absolutely, many other women's sports can be considered elite and be taken seriously as such.
Women's GAA is a basically a hobby for those involved and it shows.
You get the odd genuinely class player like Cora Staunton but an odd class player isn't nearly enough to call something "elite".
The plamasing guff here is the ultimate in sexism. The posters who engage in such are treating women like children.
Basically a hobby? You really don't have a clue what you're taking about. Your opinions on the skill level I can abide, as it's simply your viewpoint and that's fine. But the commitment level at senior intercounty is way above "hobby" level. Herself is a former intercounty player so I witnessed it firsthand. It was all consuming.
Why are ye even engaging with someone who's just looking for the cheap pop of attention?
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:27:14 AM
Cork did to ladies football what Dublin are in the process of doing to mens football.
What this Cork team did was raise the standard of the game. The great Kerry mens team of 1975 -86 won eight All Ireland's and did something similar to the athletic standard of GAA. Neither team has damaged the GAA. The current Dublin team have won 2 All Ireland's a feat matched by your own county. I can't see the destruction of the GAA here. Dublin, like Kerry & Cork ladies will eventually be beaten by a team that matches or surpasses them and possibly by their own complacency or decline.Hopefully that will happen in a fortnight if our team prove good enough. If not it will take a little longer.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:43:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.
It was all the response your comment was worth.
So, no answers. You're confirming my already low impression of you as a poster.
Women's GAA has a problem in terms of media coverage. It's patronising, fawning and deeply uncritical. It's treated in the media as the sporting equivalent of a charity case.
It's because of media coverage like this and patronising, uncritical attitudes like yours that the games continue to be very mediocre.
Compare that to the coverage of Ireland's women's Rugby World Cup campaign, was was rightly deeply critical of the team and management.
One is treated as sport, the other is treated as charity.
Your analysis is typical of those who see international sport as superior simply by token of the fact that it is more widely played.
It is amazing to see that a number of Ladies GAA inter-county players with no background in rugby could with two or three years effort transition to the Irish international rugby team. I sincerely doubt that the opposite could happen.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 04, 2017, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:27:14 AM
Cork did to ladies football what Dublin are in the process of doing to mens football.
What this Cork team did was raise the standard of the game. The great Kerry mens team of 1975 -86 won eight All Ireland's and did something similar to the athletic standard of GAA. Neither team has damaged the GAA. The current Dublin team have won 2 All Ireland's a feat matched by your own county. I can't see the destruction of the GAA here. Dublin, like Kerry & Cork ladies will eventually be beaten by a team that matches or surpasses them and possibly by their own complacency or decline.Hopefully that will happen in a fortnight if our team prove good enough. If not it will take a little longer.
If they truly raised the standard they wouldn't have won eleven of the last twelve All-Irelands. Just like Dublin being so good doesn't magically raise standards in other counties - that's a nonsense used to distract from the fact a single county is warping the very fabric of a competition to breaking point. By the way, Dublin have lost a grand total of two matches since the year 2010. Two.
I'm really amazed anyone can take this opinion with a straight face - it should be blatantly obvious that one team utterly dominating a sport is a very bad thing for said sport. In a world more open to womens' sport than ever before, ladies football had a great chance to grow much more than it has in terms of participation and viewership but having a single team making their premier competition a funeral process towards an inevitable result definitely has been a significant hindrance to them.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 04, 2017, 01:04:19 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:43:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.
It was all the response your comment was worth.
So, no answers. You're confirming my already low impression of you as a poster.
Women's GAA has a problem in terms of media coverage. It's patronising, fawning and deeply uncritical. It's treated in the media as the sporting equivalent of a charity case.
It's because of media coverage like this and patronising, uncritical attitudes like yours that the games continue to be very mediocre.
Compare that to the coverage of Ireland's women's Rugby World Cup campaign, was was rightly deeply critical of the team and management.
One is treated as sport, the other is treated as charity.
Your analysis is typical of those who see international sport as superior simply by token of the fact that it is more widely played.
It is amazing to see that a number of Ladies GAA inter-county players with no background in rugby could with two or three years effort transition to the Irish international rugby team. I sincerely doubt that the opposite could happen.
Why do you think that?
I would think plenty of the Irish women's rugby team and certainly plenty of the Irish women's association football team could quite easily make the transition to Gaelic football.
The bottom line is, Cork have won 11 of the last 12 All-Irelands because they were more organised and trained harder than other teams, not because of any inherent advantage in natural talent.
Women's football is still at that stage, the same stage men's Gaelic football was in the 1970s, when Kerry and Dublin dominated because they trained harder than other teams.
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2017, 01:24:32 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 04, 2017, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:27:14 AM
Cork did to ladies football what Dublin are in the process of doing to mens football.
What this Cork team did was raise the standard of the game. The great Kerry mens team of 1975 -86 won eight All Ireland's and did something similar to the athletic standard of GAA. Neither team has damaged the GAA. The current Dublin team have won 2 All Ireland's a feat matched by your own county. I can't see the destruction of the GAA here. Dublin, like Kerry & Cork ladies will eventually be beaten by a team that matches or surpasses them and possibly by their own complacency or decline.Hopefully that will happen in a fortnight if our team prove good enough. If not it will take a little longer.
If they truly raised the standard they wouldn't have won eleven of the last twelve All-Irelands. Just like Dublin being so good doesn't magically raise standards in other counties - that's a nonsense used to distract from the fact a single county is warping the very fabric of a competition to breaking point. By the way, Dublin have lost a grand total of two matches since the year 2010. Two.
I'm really amazed anyone can take this opinion with a straight face - it should be blatantly obvious that one team utterly dominating a sport is a very bad thing for said sport. In a world more open to womens' sport than ever before, ladies football had a great chance to grow much more than it has in terms of participation and viewership but having a single team making their premier competition a funeral process towards an inevitable result definitely has been a significant hindrance to them.
"Raise the bar" is probably more correct.
Quote from: sid waddell on September 04, 2017, 02:32:13 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 04, 2017, 01:04:19 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:43:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.
It was all the response your comment was worth.
So, no answers. You're confirming my already low impression of you as a poster.
Women's GAA has a problem in terms of media coverage. It's patronising, fawning and deeply uncritical. It's treated in the media as the sporting equivalent of a charity case.
It's because of media coverage like this and patronising, uncritical attitudes like yours that the games continue to be very mediocre.
Compare that to the coverage of Ireland's women's Rugby World Cup campaign, was was rightly deeply critical of the team and management.
One is treated as sport, the other is treated as charity.
Your analysis is typical of those who see international sport as superior simply by token of the fact that it is more widely played.
It is amazing to see that a number of Ladies GAA inter-county players with no background in rugby could with two or three years effort transition to the Irish international rugby team. I sincerely doubt that the opposite could happen.
Why do you think that?
I would think plenty of the Irish women's rugby team and certainly plenty of the Irish women's association football team could quite easily make the transition to Gaelic football.
The bottom line is, Cork have won 11 of the last 12 All-Irelands because they were more organised and trained harder than other teams, not because of any inherent advantage in natural talent.
Women's football is still at that stage, the same stage men's Gaelic football was in the 1970s, when Kerry and Dublin dominated because they trained harder than other teams.
Can you tell me how you know Cork were more organised and trained harder than Dublin, Mayo, Monaghan, Donegal etc.?
Plenty of ladies footballers play or played international soccer, rugby or basketball so if they are impressive athletes when playing for Ireland they must be when playing for their county.
You're entitled to your opinion, and ladies football is not currently at the same level as men's but your criticism is way over the top and doesn't stand up to any real scrutiny.
Quote from: Zulu on September 04, 2017, 12:03:30 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 04, 2017, 02:32:13 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 04, 2017, 01:04:19 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:43:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:37:35 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:36:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on September 03, 2017, 12:32:58 AM
Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Ass.
Deary me. You must have a better response than that. Actually, having read some of your posts, I doubt it.
It was all the response your comment was worth.
So, no answers. You're confirming my already low impression of you as a poster.
Women's GAA has a problem in terms of media coverage. It's patronising, fawning and deeply uncritical. It's treated in the media as the sporting equivalent of a charity case.
It's because of media coverage like this and patronising, uncritical attitudes like yours that the games continue to be very mediocre.
Compare that to the coverage of Ireland's women's Rugby World Cup campaign, was was rightly deeply critical of the team and management.
One is treated as sport, the other is treated as charity.
Your analysis is typical of those who see international sport as superior simply by token of the fact that it is more widely played.
It is amazing to see that a number of Ladies GAA inter-county players with no background in rugby could with two or three years effort transition to the Irish international rugby team. I sincerely doubt that the opposite could happen.
Why do you think that?
I would think plenty of the Irish women's rugby team and certainly plenty of the Irish women's association football team could quite easily make the transition to Gaelic football.
The bottom line is, Cork have won 11 of the last 12 All-Irelands because they were more organised and trained harder than other teams, not because of any inherent advantage in natural talent.
Women's football is still at that stage, the same stage men's Gaelic football was in the 1970s, when Kerry and Dublin dominated because they trained harder than other teams.
Can you tell me how you know Cork were more organised and trained harder than Dublin, Mayo, Monaghan, Donegal etc.?
Plenty of ladies footballers play or played international soccer, rugby or basketball so if they are impressive athletes when playing for Ireland they must be when playing for their county.
You're entitled to your opinion, and ladies football is not currently at the same level as men's but your criticism is way over the top and doesn't stand up to any real scrutiny.
I would say the fact that Cork clearly outlasted their nearest challengers Dublin for fitness in several finals since 2009 and overturned significant deficits to win in all of those finals is a very good indicator that they trained harder than any other team.
In each final Dublin faded hugely in the last 20 minutes.
Ok, so you don't know. I can't say I can recall the ins and outs of all the ladies games played over the past 8 or 9 years but I'm pretty sure all the top IC teams are working as hard as their opponents.
Quote from: Zulu on September 04, 2017, 03:57:29 PM
Ok, so you don't know. I can't say I can recall the ins and outs of all the ladies games played over the past 8 or 9 years but I'm pretty sure all the top IC teams are working as hard as their opponents.
But Dublin have generally been the closest challengers to Cork since 2009.
And yet there's a pattern there where Dublin have faded badly in the last 20 minutes any time they've played them.
When a team consistently fades in the last 20 minutes against the same opponents, you have to say their opponents are fitter, which means they are training harder.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2017, 11:00:23 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2017, 01:24:32 AM
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 04, 2017, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:27:14 AM
Cork did to ladies football what Dublin are in the process of doing to mens football.
What this Cork team did was raise the standard of the game. The great Kerry mens team of 1975 -86 won eight All Ireland's and did something similar to the athletic standard of GAA. Neither team has damaged the GAA. The current Dublin team have won 2 All Ireland's a feat matched by your own county. I can't see the destruction of the GAA here. Dublin, like Kerry & Cork ladies will eventually be beaten by a team that matches or surpasses them and possibly by their own complacency or decline.Hopefully that will happen in a fortnight if our team prove good enough. If not it will take a little longer.
If they truly raised the standard they wouldn't have won eleven of the last twelve All-Irelands. Just like Dublin being so good doesn't magically raise standards in other counties - that's a nonsense used to distract from the fact a single county is warping the very fabric of a competition to breaking point. By the way, Dublin have lost a grand total of two matches since the year 2010. Two.
I'm really amazed anyone can take this opinion with a straight face - it should be blatantly obvious that one team utterly dominating a sport is a very bad thing for said sport. In a world more open to womens' sport than ever before, ladies football had a great chance to grow much more than it has in terms of participation and viewership but having a single team making their premier competition a funeral process towards an inevitable result definitely has been a significant hindrance to them.
"Raise the bar" is probably more correct.
Quite happy to accept "Raise the Bar" which would be agreed by any member of the Mayo team. In relation to training, Mayo undertook a new regime of S&C last year and completely upped it training after this year's loss to Galway. Pace and athleticism of the current team is ahead of the team that won All Irelands at the start of the century. I doubt if anyone would say Sampras, Federer, Bolt, Tiger Woods etc etc were a very bad thing for their sport because they dominated for so long. They simply pushed others to up their game.
Quote from: mrhardyannual on September 04, 2017, 12:54:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 12:27:14 AM
Cork did to ladies football what Dublin are in the process of doing to mens football.
What this Cork team did was raise the standard of the game. The great Kerry mens team of 1975 -86 won eight All Ireland's and did something similar to the athletic standard of GAA. Neither team has damaged the GAA. The current Dublin team have won 2 All Ireland's a feat matched by your own county. I can't see the destruction of the GAA here. Dublin, like Kerry & Cork ladies will eventually be beaten by a team that matches or surpasses them and possibly by their own complacency or decline.Hopefully that will happen in a fortnight if our team prove good enough. If not it will take a little longer.
I usually agree with most of what you write but we part company here.
Did Kerry's dominance damage the GAA? It certainly did, short term at least. According to Eamonn Sweeney, the Sindo hack, just 17,523 turned up for the Kingdom's semi against Armagh in 1982.That was only a single game but the fall off in attendances was repeated throughout the land and the GAA lost heavily. Same for the great Galway team of the 60s.
Predictable results on the field led to equally predictable drop offs in paying spectators.
I read some time ago (Sweeney again I think) that the qualifiers last year would have been run at a loss if Mayo and its loyal supporters hadn't been involved.
The Leinster championship has seen a dramatic fall off in paying customers and also in playing standards as others realise the sheer futility of attempting to mix it with Dublin.
The outstanding difference between Dublin today and Kerry in the 70s/80s is money, plain and simple. The age of Professionalism and Science has arrived and no other team in the land can afford to go to the same lengths as Dublin in preparing players mentally and physically.
I mean Kerry players of that era hadn't every aspect of their lives controlled by experts with the sole purpose of having them at the peak of their potential every time the team takes the field.
I can never see the time when DUblini lose their dominance. Others, Mayo this year hopefully, may sneak an odd title along the way. After all it's fifteen against fifteen and on the day surprises can happen but the odds will favour Dublin every year.
I can't see them losing interest either, no matter how many AIs on the trot they secure. The competition for places is red-hot and there is more than enough quality players for Dublin to field the two strongest teams in the land.
The great Kerry and Galway teams I've referred to had no material advantage over their competitors. I know the present Dublin team, bench and all, are talented players but there's more than innate skill involved. They have advantages that only money can buy.
Supposing, just supposing, that Mayo and Dublin were to have swapped places a couple of months before the AI last year, who do you think would be AI champions now?
If Berno and Dermo and co. had to squeeze into a few cars around four in the evening, drive to Ballyhaunis or wherever, for a savage bout of training and then get back around 2 or 3 in the morning to get ready for work or study the next day, do you think they'd be half the men they are now? Mind you, a trip from Belmullet or Ballina or anywhere else in our gawd forsaken county would make men out of a fair few of them. They'd never complain about potholes damaging their top of the range Subarus again. ;D
In every material and indeed mental way, it's a case of Goliath taking on David every time that Dublin plays.
Talk about a level playing pitch; it's about as level as the backside of The Reek.
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Quote from: Seany on September 02, 2017, 08:41:07 PM
Cork Ladies. Finally beaten this evening by Mayo who were inspired by Cora. What a team. What a record. Such ambassadors the lot of them. Many of them dual players - their whole lives dedicated to Gaelic games. I'm sounding patronising now, but Jesus, what a group of athletes.
That really is stretching it.
I saw a Cork player being substituted with about seven or eight minutes left.
Whatever she is, she is not an athlete.
Classy siddles, she is an athlete if she is playing inter county football no matter how she looks, I am sure you are gorgeous you ballix! :P
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Quote from: Zulu on September 03, 2017, 01:48:38 AM
You've spouted this rubbish before. Can you please point me to the critical ladies rugby coverage and the benign ladies football coverage? The GAA coverage is usually less savage as it's amateur and more local but it's bollox to say coverage of ladies GAA is patronising or fawning.
I made a post last year rightly criticising the standard of women's GAA.
Instead of people actually engaging with the reality, people just went into a huff and embarrassed themselves in their reactions.
I can point you to the critical coverage of women's rugby. It was on RTE's live coverage of the recent World Cup where Fiona Steed and Lynne Cantwell provided extensive expert analysis. They didn't spare any feelings and treated the event as a serious sporting competition with analysis befitting of such, which made the whole thing a much better spectacle for the viewer. I've never seen that happen with women's GAA.
Malachy Clerkin made this point in a column.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/rt%C3%A9-panel-s-forensic-analysis-good-for-irish-women-s-rugby-1.3185259
With women's GAA we get nothing but plamasing which treats the viewer as a child - we don't get serious analysis, we get guff from Des Cahill and Cyril Farrell refusing to ever point out the shocking mistakes which so regularly happen, we get the nonsense of "they train just as hard as the men" and "that was better than the vast majority of men's matches".
All they're missing is sticking a little star on the players chests and giving them a pat on the head as if they were at a kid's summer camp.
They still wear skirts in camogie, for fook's sake.
No they don't.