Joe Duffy - Liveline

[Snapchap]

And thats the fundamental problem in your position: it revolves around YOU. Yes you are at a loss risk of dying from covid. You are at a high risk of transmitting it though. That's the part you keep ignoring.

You're the one demanding other people conform to your viewpoint with little regard for them making their own independent choices and no respect shown to them if they differ from you. That's the selfish part you ignore. It doesn't revolve around your viewpoint, people should have the freedom to make informed decisions without coercion or insults.

For the last time: I respect your right to choose for yourself. I reserve the right to not respect anyone who chooses not to get vaccinated.

I note in your reply that you again ignore my point: getting the jab is not just about whether YOU are at risk from covid, but about reducing your potential to transmit covid to others (some of whom may be vulnerable).

Why are you so determined to ignore that aspect? Guilty conscience?

[Snapchap]

And thats the fundamental problem in your position: it revolves around YOU. Yes you are at a loss risk of dying from covid. You are at a high risk of transmitting it though. That's the part you keep ignoring.

The part youand others ignore is, if he is unvaccinated but taking all precautions necessary, then he's less of a risk of transmitting the virus than a vaccinated person who has given up adhering to any of the guidance.

So you think it's just the vaccinated who are disregarding social distancing? In my experience, it's the age group that is mostly unvaccinated (18-30) that are most carefree about social distancing/masks.

None of which changes the point that the biggest defence we have against the pandemic is vaccination.

Unless you are seriously saying "don't get it! you'll only stop all that social distancing you are being so particular about!"

[Tres Bien]

Are unvaccinated people responsible for all infections? Latest figures I'm seeing in the North is 1,000-1,300 a day. Are you telling me that around  1 person in 10 is responsible for all those numbers? As if those unjabbed are all going around with no masks, sneezing  in people's faces, doing feck all social distancing?

I've ssid it before, over the last few months, since more and more  people have been vaccinated, more and more people are doing less and less mask wearing, social distancing,  congregating in big number indoors etc etc. If you're looking at why there's up to 1,300 daily cases, and why the health service is still under pressure, then maybe you need to look at these people.

Figures out this wk show for NI show you are 18 times more likely to be hospitalised for Covid if you are unvaccinated than vaccinated. That's the biggest reason right there. Would you prefer a lockdown to deal with Covid instead? To reduce these large numbers mixing? That's your solution?

This is just incredible. You fully believe that in the past week there were 18 unvaccinated Covid hospital admissions compared for every vaccinated hospital admission.

If you look at the death stats for the past month, the overwhelming amount of deaths are over 60s. Are the vast majority of over 60s not fully vaccinated? Maybe upward of 80% of over 60s?

The next notable statistic is cases, the vast majority of cases are now school children, under the age of 14, it's been that way for over a good month? And these people are generally not been hospitalised and are clearly not dying.

So if you are repeating that statement and not even questioning the veracity of it then I think it tells you that you'd swallow anything you're told.



That's the statistics on Covid cases at present. It's the 7 day average, it's been fairly steady at that over the past month.

Now, can you confirm the number of hospital admissions under the age of 15 (a wholly unvaccinated grouping). According to that we've had around 5k steady positive cases in each of the past 4 weeks. That's around 20k unvaccinated positive cases in under 15s in the past month, all unvaccinated - how many deaths in the past 4 weeks under 15? Zero deaths. How many hospital admissions of under 15 in the past 4 weeks? How many under 15s in ICU with Covid in the past 4 weeks?

Surely by your 18 to 1 assertion that you swallowed without questioning, it should be loaded with hospitalised under 15s as they are the ones getting Covid now and they are the ones who are unvaccinated?

The fact is you are incapable of probing and challenging what you're told, you just accept it and repeat and this is why you begin to look a little bit silly.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-coronavirus-breakdown-shows-21779939.amp

And for adults under 50, whilst the numbers admitted to hospital are lower, an unvaccinated individual is almost 18 times as likely to need hospitalisation.

I'll take their word over yours.

Exactly. You'll take their word for it without any basis for taking their word for it.

[trueblue1234]

Are unvaccinated people responsible for all infections? Latest figures I'm seeing in the North is 1,000-1,300 a day. Are you telling me that around  1 person in 10 is responsible for all those numbers? As if those unjabbed are all going around with no masks, sneezing  in people's faces, doing feck all social distancing?

I've ssid it before, over the last few months, since more and more  people have been vaccinated, more and more people are doing less and less mask wearing, social distancing,  congregating in big number indoors etc etc. If you're looking at why there's up to 1,300 daily cases, and why the health service is still under pressure, then maybe you need to look at these people.

Figures out this wk show for NI show you are 18 times more likely to be hospitalised for Covid if you are unvaccinated than vaccinated. That's the biggest reason right there. Would you prefer a lockdown to deal with Covid instead? To reduce these large numbers mixing? That's your solution?

This is just incredible. You fully believe that in the past week there were 18 unvaccinated Covid hospital admissions compared for every vaccinated hospital admission.

If you look at the death stats for the past month, the overwhelming amount of deaths are over 60s. Are the vast majority of over 60s not fully vaccinated? Maybe upward of 80% of over 60s?

The next notable statistic is cases, the vast majority of cases are now school children, under the age of 14, it's been that way for over a good month? And these people are generally not been hospitalised and are clearly not dying.

So if you are repeating that statement and not even questioning the veracity of it then I think it tells you that you'd swallow anything you're told.



That's the statistics on Covid cases at present. It's the 7 day average, it's been fairly steady at that over the past month.

Now, can you confirm the number of hospital admissions under the age of 15 (a wholly unvaccinated grouping). According to that we've had around 5k steady positive cases in each of the past 4 weeks. That's around 20k unvaccinated positive cases in under 15s in the past month, all unvaccinated - how many deaths in the past 4 weeks under 15? Zero deaths. How many hospital admissions of under 15 in the past 4 weeks? How many under 15s in ICU with Covid in the past 4 weeks?

Surely by your 18 to 1 assertion that you swallowed without questioning, it should be loaded with hospitalised under 15s as they are the ones getting Covid now and they are the ones who are unvaccinated?

The fact is you are incapable of probing and challenging what you're told, you just accept it and repeat and this is why you begin to look a little bit silly.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-coronavirus-breakdown-shows-21779939.amp

And for adults under 50, whilst the numbers admitted to hospital are lower, an unvaccinated individual is almost 18 times as likely to need hospitalisation.

I'll take their word over yours.

Exactly. You'll take their word for it without any basis for taking their word for it.

I know. Amazing.

[armaghniac]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

[Tres Bien]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

So 32 of the 35 in ICU with Covid are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

330 of the 360 Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

See that's the thing, you boys are very quick to roll out statistics you've heard of, you don't ever seem to bother applying logic to what you're hearing and test the premise.

[trueblue1234]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

So 32 of the 35 in ICU with Covid are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

330 of the 360 Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

See that's the thing, you boys are very quick to roll out statistics you've heard of, you don't ever seem to bother applying logic to what you're hearing and test the premise.

Some figures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1252794/

67% currently unvaccinated. Given the numbers of vaccinated v unvaccinated in the general population that's unreal.

[BennyCake]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

So 32 of the 35 in ICU with Covid are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

330 of the 360 Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

See that's the thing, you boys are very quick to roll out statistics you've heard of, you don't ever seem to bother applying logic to what you're hearing and test the premise.

Some figures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1252794/

67% currently unvaccinated. Given the numbers of vaccinated v unvaccinated in the general population that's unreal.

So, 67% are unvaccinated. 3% partially vaccinated.

And... the other 30% ?

[trueblue1234]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

So 32 of the 35 in ICU with Covid are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

330 of the 360 Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

See that's the thing, you boys are very quick to roll out statistics you've heard of, you don't ever seem to bother applying logic to what you're hearing and test the premise.

Some figures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1252794/

67% currently unvaccinated. Given the numbers of vaccinated v unvaccinated in the general population that's unreal.

So, 67% are unvaccinated. 3% partially vaccinated.

And... the other 30% ?

Are you being serious? I have to ask.

[Tres Bien]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

So 32 of the 35 in ICU with Covid are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

330 of the 360 Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

See that's the thing, you boys are very quick to roll out statistics you've heard of, you don't ever seem to bother applying logic to what you're hearing and test the premise.

Some figures.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1252794/

67% currently unvaccinated. Given the numbers of vaccinated v unvaccinated in the general population that's unreal.

You do realise 67% is exectively 2:1 unvaccinated to vaccinated not 18:1?

Yes?

So now do you see how ridiculous the assertion that you are 18x more likely to end up in hospital if you're unvaccinated is?

[trueblue1234]

You do realise that that 67% comes from a around 25% of the population who are unvaccinated. I'm not a mathematician so someone else can work out the % of the current icu make up in relation to general population.
Plus that rate was for the U50's as we were chatting about you specifically as an U40.

[Tres Bien]

You do realise that that 67% comes from a around 25% of the population who are unvaccinated. I'm not a mathematician so someone else can work out the % of the current icu make up in relation to general population.
Plus that rate was for the U50's as we were chatting about you specifically as an U40.

So 18x more likely?

18x of what?

What's the odds you end up in hospital if you're under 40, fit and healthy?

1 in 50,000 say?

So that then drops down to 1 in 3,000 if you aren't vaccinated and that's if they actually get Covid and if they haven't already got natural immunity? Can you see why people look at that information and come to the conclusion a vaccine offers negligible benefits to them?

[Snapchap]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

So 32 of the 35 in ICU with Covid are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

330 of the 360 Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

See that's the thing, you boys are very quick to roll out statistics you've heard of, you don't ever seem to bother applying logic to what you're hearing and test the premise.

You don't do irony, do you? Just about every scientist on the planet has tested the premise that the vaccines are as safe as any other vaccine and recommend we all take it, yet along comes you to tell us that you know better.

[Tres Bien]

Every international stat shows that unvaccinated people are 8, 10 or more times as likely to be in hospital, depending on their age. Any attempt to claim otherwise is fantasy.

So 32 of the 35 in ICU with Covid are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

330 of the 360 Covid patients in hospital are unvaccinated if we apply that statistic?

See that's the thing, you boys are very quick to roll out statistics you've heard of, you don't ever seem to bother applying logic to what you're hearing and test the premise.

You don't do irony, do you? Just about average scientist on the planet has tested the premise that the vaccines are as safe as any other vaccine and recommend we all take it, yet along comes you to tell us that you know better.

Nope. You don't do irony.

Science is conflicted on a lot of things, including Covid, including vaccines.

You seem to be selectively ignoring deaths associated with the vaccine, serious side effects associated with the vaccines, medical authorities in certain countries halting certain vaccines, suspending certain vaccines for use with particular age categories due to side effects associated with them that caused death and serious illness.

Now, why are you dealing in misinformation here? These are established facts, I don't deny the chances of this are extremely remote but we are talking about varying degrees of remoteness. The data clearly backs up that Covid is of minimal threat to fit and healthy u40s with no underlying medical conditions. If you want to have an argument over remoteness or probabilities you can't just completely dismiss one side of the story because it undermines your illogical position.

[trueblue1234]

The facts are there in the above stats. 67% of the current icu patients are unvaccinated. Coming from only 25% of the population who are unvaccinated.

I don't need to guess or try and guesstimate anything. It's there. It's a fact. If people are reading that and still want to go against all the medical  bodies and advice. Well, I reserve the right to think they either overvalue their own intelligence.