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[If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.]

I actually agree with a loot of what you are saying. It's just when I see people here criticising as you say one of top players in Peter Harte and then criticising the manager for not getting the best out of the players - can't really have it both ways. Either the players are good enough or not.
The win over Donegal in 2018 was an impressive victory, a lot of talk was how our subs made a huge difference that day - we played a more attacking style of football from that point, should have been well up on Monaghan in the first half but then seemed to get nervy in the second half with the chance of a first All Ireland final in ten years at stake. We were 6/1 outsiders for the Final, realistically Dublin were just a better team, I do take the point that Mayo and Kerry seem to be able to run them close on the big days although not so much in the last 2 years (Mayo took a real hammering in the second half last year, Kerry ended up well beaten in the replay, same margin as 2018 final after playing most of the drawn game against 14 men). The current Dubs are a juggernaut.

Take the Kerry game last year as the most recent large piece of evidence. We were well in control at half time (4 points up). We played some terrific football using Mattie and McShane in the full forward line, using a direct style with arguably our best team on the field (one that played the 2nd half against Cork). Could argue the lack of link up with the half forward line but we were looking in control.
Nearly all the scores Kerry got in the first half were really poor Tyrone errors (from memory stupid free given away by Mattie, Morgan kicked ball directly to Geaney, Richie Donnelly intercepted crossfield pass)

Refereeing decisions and some bad individual errors cost us, let Kerry back into the game and once the Kerry forwards starting rolling they kicked some superb scores. I don't know if you could direct most of the blame to Mickey for that result to be honest. I thought at the time McCurry should have been brought in sooner.

I think this current Tyrone side lacks leaders. You look back at the big games and we have had purple patches in them where things looked good, we started the AI final in 2018 very well, the SF last year against Kerry we started very well and should have been much further ahead. But when the tide turned, we crumbled and we really needed our big men to step up and deliver. We've lost our most reliable player in terms of leadership now in Colm Cavanagh, a warrior who never hid.

Mattie has shown a lot of leadership in the past but he's also had a number of quiet games when we needed more from him. Peter Harte is someone we need more from him, I feel sorry for him with the bullshit he has to put up from the opposition which is largely ignored by match officials, he gets no protection at all but that shouldn't excuse some of his no shows, he needs to be a bit more cuter in how he looks after himself.

McShane emerged as a leader last year but we need more players to step up, guys like Hampsey, Burns, McGeary need to step up to the plate and push Tyrone on. Hopefully McKenna can give this team a shot in the arm. I'm genuinely excited at what the arrival of McKenna can do for Darren McCurry next year.

If the opposition have to worry about McKenna, McShane, Harte and Donnelly then it could free up McCurry to do some serious damage.

If you need 4 opposition defenders to "take care" of the aboved named and then depending on Mc Curry to do "serious damage" Tyrone DONT stand a chance

How many other top counties are "hoping" their 5th/6th/7th best attacker does all the damage??

Looking like Donegal be in full lockdown soon,what way does it work if County not able to play fixture?.

Tyrones best chance of beating Donegal

Tyrone champions for Ulster this year 

The Tyrone Championship has proven this year why it's the best about.

Maybe for entertainment but when loose in Ulster against the big boys, they are average.

You seem to be mistaking a club with a club championship. Would Cross, Scotstown, Ballinderry, Slaughtneil, Kilcoo etc have dominated the Tyrone club championship like they have their own in recent years?

They would in their hoop.

No one is asking them to dominate, The Tyrone teams just need to work out how to do well in Ulster

The history of their involvement in Ulster is poor, which doesn't make good reading, whatever way you try and spin it

Tyrone straight knock out, 1 poor day and your gone so you must be at your peak week in week out. Takes a lot out of a team and then the celebrations that follow

In the other counties mentioned, are they also straight knock out?? Or knowing you have a "second chance" or playing poorer opposition early, you can rest your main men until later on, which puts them in peak condition and ready for the battle of Ulster Club. Tyrone teams are worn out and happy with a Tyrone title at that stage

If you win your own county 2 or 3 times in a row, and feel you no longer have stiff competition, then Ulster Club is the aim
Most Tyrone clubs see winning Tyrone as their ultimate goal, anything else a bonus

As stated, nobody has defended their Tyrone title in 15 years

[Killeeshil]

Killeeshil v Drumragh
Gleann Éalla v Cookstown
Eskra Emmetts v Kildress
Castlederg v Errigal Ciaran
Brac an Bhil v Clann na nGael
Drumquin v Cill na mBán.
Derrytresk v Urney
Fianna Oileá v Brockagh

Hurling -
Naomh Columcille vs. Omagh 
Carrickmore vs. Dungannon

Good baller but way over rated. Has been a flop in too many big games for my liking. If other players had got the chances for Tyrone that he got.

+ 1

[sheer numbers and not quality]

The second game was vastly inferior to the first. Albeit the extra time certainly added more spice. You would have to fancy Trillick comfortably in a final. But the romantic in me would like Dungannon to get it done. Their hunger the other night was frightening, they even seemed to have a very vocal and passionate support.

I don't know what you would do with Errigal, to be fair I think they have been the worst hit by injuries. Yet for all the talk of their panel, it's just sheer numbers and not quality. The other night they lacked any bite or urgency. Surely after seeing Trillick in the final they would have been chomping at the bit for another nibble there, last year was embarrassing. I still think Errigal are a championship win from having a very successful period, but until that there will be serious head scratching in Dunmoyle.

Basing a "succesful period" on what?
"Sheer Numbers"?

Not good enough, will always be a league team as these sheer numbers keep them competitive on league terms. Come Championship when its the cream and best in the county, they contiue to sh!t in the nest and fail

O'Hagan got it wrong on the line today.

Has to take a massive amount of the blame. The lad who played the last day in nets, is he not supposed to be an actual goalkeeper?? If so you would think he would've saved that weak 1st goal. Also the kickouts were continously poor and he must have given Trillick 2 or 3 points easy

Was Mc Neice injured?? Because unless you actually lump the ball into a 6 foot + full forward he becomes redundant, thich Coalisland didnt

Trillick the much better team, Kane was outstanding but compare what Trillick got from their county men to Coalislands .......

Dungannon never say die attitude was top drawer, although Errigal were so so poor, laboured and slow. Will make for a better final

[concussed]

Any of you lads thought about taking up the whistle?

Ah the classic line used to absolve Referees of any mistakes/bad performances.

It was a genuine question. But if you want to take it that way work away.

But just to add being called 'truly terrible', 'just awful' and ' a compete clampit' does what for recruiting referees? And then when there are no referees for games the ones on this board will whinge and cry about there being no referees in the county. I genuinely don't know why anyone would be a referee with the crap they get on and off the pitch. What a way to spend a Sunday afternoon.

Without Refs there would be no games, be thankful these "terrible" "awful" "clampits" bother at all. Wouldnt be the 1st time Dromore charged a ref at the end of a game either

Note - Niall Sludden received a blow to the head during the first half and was concussed

Surely Dromore had a duty of care here not to put him back on then, poor on their part if this is true

[Tattyreagh]

Intermediate Championship 1st Round

Tattyreagh V Strabane
Augher V Beragh
Rock V Moortown
Clogher V Edendork
Aghaloo V Aghyaran
Greencastle V Stewartstown
Naomh Eoghan V Eglish
Owen Roes V Gortin

I'd be very surprised if the wee ballygawley man is volunteering his time to commentate 

The authority on all things volunteering has spoken lads.

Glad to see you back. You clonoe men wouldn't know much about volunteer ethos with the amount of expenses you pay out 

I can take getting beat by the better team. Didn't expect to win. But I can't stand hypocrites. You and O'Hagan in the same boat. Talking about volunteers when you have done the exact same thing with outside managers and trainers. Pure hypocrites.
However due to the genuine good friends I have in Coalisland who I know are genuine people, I would like to see Coalisland do well in the remaining championship.

There's expenses and then there's the clean fortune you eejits pay professional managers.  And what's O'Hagan got to do with it he wouldn't take money off his own club like ca$hidy did

Sure is it not common knowledge O'Hagan is still there because your lot cant afford anyone outside due to almost going broke paying McKeever, Gilligan, Mc Guckin, Devlin plus more "volunteers" in camera work and stats men for 2.5 years to almost get relegated

Its easier to win with humility and gain respect and not to be a massive t00l to your neighbours

Still some football in Plunkett Kane.

Probably MOTM for me. Always attacks and scores every time I seen him play

Good to see Local Expert back to try and wind up the neighbours, didnt realise thats now 4 Championship wins in a row for your lot

Better team won, margin of victory was generous for Clonoe, Fianna should've won that by 6-7 and cruised home

He was tested on Saturday (following positive cases at his work I believe) and decided it was okay for him to play while awaiting the results.

Eglish themselves failed to follow even the basic guidelines - they had there changing rooms open with Players packed in!

Absolutely shameful behaviour from the Player and Club.

Glenman,

What is your evidence that the player got tested on Friday? It seems like you must know a lot about it?
The player was in fact tested on Monday it seems so Internet mouthpieces like yourself don't help the situation spreading lies and speculation

Sideline ball,

What is your evidence that he was tested on Monday?? It seems like you must know a lot about it??
Are you a friend, an Eglish player??
You cant put your "evidence" out there without backing it up either

[Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough. Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent]

McKenna was no more a prospect than Mulgrew, Coney or O'Neill were.  The odds were on him going more like them than becoming a superstar.  Tyrone's style doesn't lend itself to allowing players to flourish.

Come off it.

McKenna is by far and away the biggest prospect since Cavanagh.

Coney relied on his size at underage level and that didn't carry through to senior. O'Neill didn't have the physicality to make it.

McKenna is the complete package, he is an absolutely formidable athlete and a fantastic footballer too.

Very, very few cut the mustard over there. The only two that succeeded over there and returned to GAA briefly were Kennelly and Clarke. Kennelly won an all star and AI with Kerry in his one year back and Clarke brought Down to an AI final, won and all star and probably should have footballer of the year.

He becomes the main man for Tyrone if he comes home.

This Coney size thing is over-rated too.  Its not like he was fetching balls from the sky 10 times a game etc, he was slightly above average height  but he wasn't exactly massive.  When you look at Aidan O'Shea, that was a man playing amongst boys that year.  His physicality was something else.  What stood out from Coney was his skill on the ball, not his size or strength.  O'Neill was brilliant in the 2010 All Ireland team, and both he, Mulgrew and Coney had as much, if not more, hype around them probably than McKenna, as they carried teams to the ultimate prize.  As for him coming back, he has been programmed differently now and won't be the player he could have been.  Most players come back different, look at Mooney - main man on the Down underage teams and scoring machine, now a wing back who is average enough.  Same with Clarke, was a completely different player when he came back, not as potent.

Ahhhhhh come on hi.
Mooney is a fantastic stand out player in a very average Down team. Would improve every team bar Dublin, would walk onto a Tyrone half back line
Clarke came back just in time before injuries completly wrecked him and was outstanding as a playmaker

Can any of the clonoe posters tell me if stevie mcdoll$r got his money upfront from clonoe or is he still taking small group sessions to get some cash?

I'll tell you what, I'll contact John McKeever and Conleth Gilligan and ask them how they think Coalisland would have dealt with them in this situation. They'll help us with our final decision, and we'll get back to you asap

So you're not going to answer my question then 

Ye have to laugh at Coalisland folk obsessed with Clonoe managers, acting all innocent as if they have never paid anyone before and never will in the future again. Sure what ever floats your boat to get a rile outa people among all your toilet roll in Isolation

[management]

Seems only Dublin have reason to be happy with players and management.
Last three years Tyrone have got to the semis, the final and another semi.
How does that record compare with Mayo, Donegal, Kerry, Galway, Monaghan, etc. - now all thought of as much better teams with better management?
Where does everyone think Tyrone rank in terms of players and in terms of management?
What is exactly that players are doing wrong and management doing wrong?

All these teams when realising they couldnt catch Dublin, at least tried something new by changing their manager, while Tyrone stick with the same voice with outdated methods