FAI...New Manager Hunt continues

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Itchy

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 24, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: sid waddell on March 24, 2021, 10:37:15 PM
Who's the best Irish goalkeeper in the League of Ireland these days?

Back in the day it had a lot of stalwart goalkeepers, Dermot O'Neill at Bohs, Dave Henderson at Pats, Jody Byrne at Rovers

Talbot at Bohs has made Irish squads. Was ropey last season and lost his place but is back this season. McGinty at Sligo is being talked about.

Dundalk have an Albanian International, Rovers and Derry a 6 county XI pkeeper and Pats a Czech on loan from Liverpool so nothing at the top sides

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 24, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

sid waddell

Travers for that second goal was like that Armagh goalkeeper who kept going on safari in an Ulster championship match against Cavan at Breffni Park a few years ago, 2016 I think, yer man Brody for Laois does it as well

Itchy

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 24, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 24, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

Same place Travers was until his loan was cancelled a few months ago.

There are three young keepers vying for Randolfs shirt when he hangs up the gloves. Kelleher is in front, agreed? So Travers and Bazunu are fightimg for third choice. Bazunu is the better prospect, playing every week and has more overall gametime under his belt.

sid waddell

Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 24, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

Should it really matter though what level a goalkeeper is getting experience at as long it's half decent, you have to perform the same tasks regardless of level

Like, Ederson for Manchester City doesn't have to do a whole lot because his team is so dominant, doesn't actually help your goalkeeping skills

The main difference with goalkeeping at different levels is the pressure, Premier League and internationals carry a lot more pressure than League One, but there wouldn't be much of a difference in terms of what type of shots a goalkeeper has to face, it's different from outfield play in that regard where there's a vast gap in standard

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: sid waddell on March 24, 2021, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 24, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on March 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 24, 2021, 10:34:41 PM
Six of one.... both really inexperienced keepers

Bazunu plated for Rovers and is currently playing every week on loan. He has a lot more experience at 19 than Travers at 21

Travers started in the Premier league at 19.

Anyway his mistake wasn't experience, where the hell was he going ??

And played twice. At 21 he has 35 club games under his belt.

Bazunu has 28 this season alone.

In league 1.

Should it really matter though what level a goalkeeper is getting experience at as long it's half decent, you have to perform the same tasks regardless of level

Like, Ederson for Manchester City doesn't have to do a whole lot because his team is so dominant, doesn't actually help your goalkeeping skills

The main difference with goalkeeping at different levels is the pressure, Premier League and internationals carry a lot more pressure than League One, but there wouldn't be much of a difference in terms of what type of shots a goalkeeper has to face, it's different from outfield play in that regard where there's a vast gap in standard

I think Mitrović hit him with something you don't face in training at Bournemouth to be fair.

I broadly agree with you but the top goalkeepers get to top clubs because they don't drift into no mans land. That said you would get chewed in a pub league going walkies like he did

seafoid

2 away goals is very decent. Ireland have to beat Serbia at home , win all the other home matches and pick  up as many points as possible away.
If they could score goals again it would obviously help. Goals have been a problem for some time.

They scored 7 goals in 8 matches in Euro 2020 qualification
They scored 12 goals in 10 matches in World Cup 2018 qualification

Itchy

Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2021, 09:33:20 AM
2 away goals is very decent. Ireland have to beat Serbia at home , win all the other home matches and pick  up as many points as possible away.
If they could score goals again it would obviously help. Goals have been a problem for some time.

They scored 7 goals in 8 matches in Euro 2020 qualification
They scored 12 goals in 10 matches in World Cup 2018 qualification

It is highly unlikely we will win at home against Portugal and against Serbia because they simply have much much better players than us, Portugal brought on Bruno Fernandez as a sub yesterday for example. That is the reality. That doesn't mean I don't agree with you saying it was a decent performance and 2 away goals is good. Kenny can only do the best he can with what he has but we do not have a Roy Keane, Robbie Keane, Damien Duff etc anymore. He can only do the best he can with what he has. People need to re-calibrate their expectations I'm afraid.

Applesisapples

I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.

seafoid

Quote from: MayoBuck on March 24, 2021, 10:19:57 PM
Clark got bullied off two headers for the 1st and 3rd goals. Big mistake from Travers for the 2nd one. Serbia didn't create much outside of that.

Coleman, Cullen, Browne and Robinson were the best of the starting team.
Keogh is back playing for Huddersfield https://int.soccerway.com/teams/england/huddersfield-town-fc/726/
Would he not be worth a twirl ?

galwayman

Quote from: Applesisapples on March 25, 2021, 10:35:45 AM
I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.
Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.

seafoid

Quote from: galwayman on March 25, 2021, 11:17:44 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 25, 2021, 10:35:45 AM
I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.
Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.
In rugby the teams feed the provinces which feed the national team
In soccer the teams feed English soccer.

It's a big difference

Applesisapples

Quote from: seafoid on March 25, 2021, 11:46:28 AM
Quote from: galwayman on March 25, 2021, 11:17:44 AM
Quote from: Applesisapples on March 25, 2021, 10:35:45 AM
I think Kenny good as he was in the LoI is like the team at the minute, not up to it. I can't help thinking that the advent of professional rugby in Ireland as a road to pro sports and the easier options for GAA stars to earn outside of the game aligned with foreign players in England has damaged the development of players on this Island.
Interesting point. What would help us massively is if we had a team or teams that are the equivalent of the rugby provinces to feed into the national team.
They would need to be playing in a strong league but unfortunately that doesn't ever look like happening.
In rugby the teams feed the provinces which feed the national team
In soccer the teams feed English soccer.

It's a big difference
The point I am making is that if a youngster is good at ball sports and fancies making some cash out of it, it is easier if he has the choice to pursue a career in rugby. the odds on making it are less. Good Gaelic players can also have lucrative careers of the pitch which will sustain them longer than a career in lower league soccer. Only a minuscule percentage have a chance of being the next Roy Keane. This coupled with an influx of ready developed "foreign players" in to the English game squeezes the opportunities further for non English players who will always get precedence.