FAI...New Manager Hunt continues

Started by Cúig huaire, November 19, 2009, 01:34:00 PM

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rodney trotter

Pilkington to make first Ireland start v Austria: Forde, Coleman, O'Shea, Dunne, Wilson, Walters, Green, McCarthy, Pilkington, Keane, Long

Giles will be happy to see Paul Green starting...

imtommygunn

Why will he not play two wingers? So Pilkington comes on and he drops McLean. It's shocking.

When McLean went to right wing on friday a few things started to happen with him and coleman doubling up. Then what does he do - he switches Walters away from that wing. Then what does he do - he subs his striker who's clearly out of position on the wing for another striker to play on the wing.

Also the players on the pitch have to go for it and they never looked at any point to have any desire to do that on friday. Very frustrating.

Trap must go. He's done some good things but time to move on.

Paul Green. :-[

Applesisapples

Dying throws of Trapps regime, a waste of a campaign.

Bord na Mona man

We all dream of a team of Paul Greens, a team of Paul Greens, a team of Paul Greens...

J OGorman

When Trap reiterates for the umpteenth time what he has achieved with this squad of players is 'great', after yet another toothless performance , the man's level of self importance is off the charts.  Im not saying we are world beaters, but jesus wept,  play the best players we have in their strongest positions. The aul chap is overthinking things

muppet

It is obvious that Trapp thinks our players are useless.

Without the ball he has us very organised and picks people who can challenge for the ball and work hard. With the ball, he doesn't trust our players so he picks more scrappers/workers over skilful guys, even playing them out of position. The plan is play it long and challenge high up the pitch and hope for a lucky break.

We all want Wes Houlihan, but Trapp looks and thinks is he Messi? Is he Ozil? Is he Fabregas or Iniesta?? Pirlo??? Cazorla, Mata etc. etc.

So he says f**k that and picks Walters or Cox or Whelan in the middle. Like I said he has no faith in our players to play against international teams.

Most of us would rather be outclassed playing the game properly rather than be beaten playing crap.
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anglocelt39

All about results I suppose, we tolerated some unmerciful shite during the Jack Charlton era because we managed to knock out a few good results, and Jack wasn't exactly one to trust his more skilful players either witness Brady and O'Leary. Jack didn't have an interpreter at his disposal either come to think of it.
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rodney trotter

Getting to the Euro's was a large slice of luck. A moderate group, outclassed by Russia twice and somehow managed to get a draw in Moscow thanks to Given and Dunne. Got the easiest team in the play offs to get in Estonia - missed out on bigger heavy weights. Totally outclassed in the Euro's and then to start this group off a 6-1 defeat at home to Germany.
Players Ireland have might not be top drawer but continually going with players off a lesser ability when there is better players at his disposal , is shocking to say the least.

Syferus

Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2013, 07:23:36 PM
It is obvious that Trapp thinks our players are useless.

Without the ball he has us very organised and picks people who can challenge for the ball and work hard. With the ball, he doesn't trust our players so he picks more scrappers/workers over skilful guys, even playing them out of position. The plan is play it long and challenge high up the pitch and hope for a lucky break.

We all want Wes Houlihan, but Trapp looks and thinks is he Messi? Is he Ozil? Is he Fabregas or Iniesta?? Pirlo??? Cazorla, Mata etc. etc.

So he says f**k that and picks Walters or Cox or Whelan in the middle. Like I said he has no faith in our players to play against international teams.

Most of us would rather be outclassed playing the game properly rather than be beaten playing crap.

When have we ever really played anything but ping-pong football? This stuff pre-dates poor Trapp and has been the only way we've ever been successful.

We've a squad of average Championship players with a few Premiership starters thrown in for good measure. The last time I enjoyed watching us play was v France in the Hand of Frog game and that's because we had to become reckless and chase a game. If teams are able to pick our pockets while we play defensively I shudder to think what'll happen if we open up a little.

Irish soccer has rarely been exciting to watch, the joy comes in getting a big summer bender out of the odd time we sneak into a tournament and it's likely to remain that way for quite some time.

muppet

Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2013, 12:28:05 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2013, 07:23:36 PM
It is obvious that Trapp thinks our players are useless.

Without the ball he has us very organised and picks people who can challenge for the ball and work hard. With the ball, he doesn't trust our players so he picks more scrappers/workers over skilful guys, even playing them out of position. The plan is play it long and challenge high up the pitch and hope for a lucky break.

We all want Wes Houlihan, but Trapp looks and thinks is he Messi? Is he Ozil? Is he Fabregas or Iniesta?? Pirlo??? Cazorla, Mata etc. etc.

So he says f**k that and picks Walters or Cox or Whelan in the middle. Like I said he has no faith in our players to play against international teams.

Most of us would rather be outclassed playing the game properly rather than be beaten playing crap.

When have we ever really played anything but ping-pong football? This stuff pre-dates poor Trapp and has been the only way we've ever been successful.

We've a squad of average Championship players with a few Premiership starters thrown in for good measure. The last time I enjoyed watching us play was v France in the Hand of Frog game and that's because we had to become reckless and chase a game. If teams are able to pick our pockets while we play defensively I shudder to think what'll happen if we open up a little.

Irish soccer has rarely been exciting to watch, the joy comes in getting a big summer bender out of the odd time we sneak into a tournament and it's likely to remain that way for quite some time.

After losing to France in Dublin we needed a win against the World Cup runners up, in Paris. We had to come out and play and boy did we do just that. It was a great team performance and remember we won the 90 minutes 0-1 and had a couple of 1 on 1s with the keeper.

That was exciting to watch and we played good football. But only because we had to win.
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thewobbler

By virtue of the fact that Keane, Duff, Dunne, Given and O'Shea were all closer to their peak then than they are now, that was a much stronger, much more talented Irish team than the current crop.

There's no doubt at all that the current Irish team are capable of playing more attractive football than what they've been doing. But I'd also suggest that in doing so, they'd get routinely destroyed by the 10 top teams in Europe, and would get beaten 8 out of 10 times by the next 10 teams in Europe.

And then, when we do produce a handful of top drawer players, they'll be more likely to a Giggs/Bale and conveniently pick up knocks just as every international week happens, rather than travel across Europe to be demoralised.

Ireland need a strong team spirit to have any chance of making international tournaments. It's what differentiates us from Scotland and Wales. Scotland used to have it, and have shown how quickly it can dissipate. Team spirit comes from unity, from sticking up two fingers to the opposition. Believe it or not, making sure your weaknesses aren't exposed is a major part of this.



AZOffaly

Quote from: thewobbler on September 10, 2013, 09:26:56 AM
By virtue of the fact that Keane, Duff, Dunne, Given and O'Shea were all closer to their peak then than they are now, that was a much stronger, much more talented Irish team than the current crop.

There's no doubt at all that the current Irish team are capable of playing more attractive football than what they've been doing. But I'd also suggest that in doing so, they'd get routinely destroyed by the 10 top teams in Europe, and would get beaten 8 out of 10 times by the next 10 teams in Europe.

And then, when we do produce a handful of top drawer players, they'll be more likely to a Giggs/Bale and conveniently pick up knocks just as every international week happens, rather than travel across Europe to be demoralised.

Ireland need a strong team spirit to have any chance of making international tournaments. It's what differentiates us from Scotland and Wales. Scotland used to have it, and have shown how quickly it can dissipate. Team spirit comes from unity, from sticking up two fingers to the opposition. Believe it or not, making sure your weaknesses aren't exposed is a major part of this.

Is that not what is happening anyway? Spain and Germany destroyed us. We've lost to the likes of Sweden, Croatia, etc etc.

deiseach

Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2013, 07:23:36 PM
Most of us would rather be outclassed playing the game properly rather than be beaten playing crap.

It'd be an interesting experiment in the long run, to see how many people would go to Lansdowne Road to see us playing the game properly and losing every time. I'd wager attendances would be better than playing crap and losing every time, but not by much.

muppet

Quote from: deiseach on September 10, 2013, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2013, 07:23:36 PM
Most of us would rather be outclassed playing the game properly rather than be beaten playing crap.

It'd be an interesting experiment in the long run, to see how many people would go to Lansdowne Road to see us playing the game properly and losing every time. I'd wager attendances would be better than playing crap and losing every time, but not by much.

Attendance would be higher if we had 1,000 hooters girls dancing all round the pitch. Not sure it would help though.
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deiseach

Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: deiseach on September 10, 2013, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: muppet on September 09, 2013, 07:23:36 PM
Most of us would rather be outclassed playing the game properly rather than be beaten playing crap.

It'd be an interesting experiment in the long run, to see how many people would go to Lansdowne Road to see us playing the game properly and losing every time. I'd wager attendances would be better than playing crap and losing every time, but not by much.

Attendance would be higher if we had 1,000 hooters girls dancing all round the pitch. Not sure it would help though.

Well, surely the only measure that matters with respect to what people think of the team is bums on seats?