https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/1218/1185397-inter-county-set-to-come-first-in-gaas-2021-calendar/
QuoteThe GAA will finally confirm the structure for the 2021 club and inter-county calendar early next week.
RTÉ Sport understands that the 2021 season will commence with inter-county first, with the championship series running until the middle of July.
From there, club championships will commence and will incorporate county, provincial and All-Ireland series until mid-December when All-Ireland club football semi-finals will be held.
It's expected the template will be unveiled on Monday after weeks of intense debate and scrutiny at executive and management level.
Having been set for launch three weeks ago, the template was put on hold as concerns were expressed about the financial viability of staging an inter-county season first with the ongoing lack of gate receipts a huge concern for some.
With tight public health restrictions also expected through January, the prospect of going with club first was considerably weakened.
And following a period of reflection and further consultation with county chairpersons and management committee last weekend, an 8pm meeting of Central Council tonight gave the green light to kickstart the 2021 campaign with inter-county action.
It's understood that this will see the return of county teams to pre-season training on the weekend of 16-17 January.
And it is expected that the Allianz Leagues will begin on the weekend of 27-28 February, with the football divisions divided in two on a regional basis.
This will see Dublin, Galway, Roscommon and Kerry grouped together in a Division One group with the four Ulster teams - Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh in the other.
Division Two will see Down, Westmeath, Meath and Mayo in one section with Cork, Clare, Laois and Kildare in the other.
Division Three will feature Derry, Fermanagh, Longford and Cavan in one section with Limerick, Wicklow, Offaly and Tipperary in the other.
Meanwhile, Division Four sees Carlow, Wexford, Waterford and London, (their participation is down to the Connacht Council) in one group with Leitrim, Antrim, Louth and Sligo in the other.
As expected, every county will have a minimum of four league games, and there will be semi-finals for a place in the decider and for relegation.
There will be no April club-only month with the intercounty season imminent at that juncture. The hurling league will see two groups of six in Division One with no quarter-finals or semi-finals. The league final will take place on the second weekend in April, a week after the football finals.
Minor and U-20 football competition will commence a month later - on the weekend of 27/28 March.
This would allow the inter-county senior football championship to start on 17-18 April with the hurling championship commencing a week later. The U-20 hurling championship will run from 22 May until 10 July.
It is believed that a backdoor will be available to counties in both hurling and football.
It is likely that the 2021 All-Ireland minor hurling and finals will be played on 22-23 May.
The Tailteann Cup final (second-tier football championship) is also in the template and set to be played at the end of June with the All-Ireland hurling final down for the weekend of 10-11 July – the same weekend that the Under-20 hurling final takes place.
The All-Ireland senior football will be fixed for the weekend of 17-18 July.
A week later, on the 24-25 July, the club county championships will commence.
The start of the provincial club championships is down for the 16-17 October, running through until the start and middle of December when the hurling and football club semi-finals respectively will be played.
Last Friday night, the clear majority of county chairpersons favoured this template.
It was presented to the GAA Management Committee last Saturday and, again, received the green light at tonight's Central Council meeting.
Two comprehensive plans had been initially compiled – one draft focusing on playing inter-county first, while the other templated revolved around a club-first system would like.
But with those public health restrictions expected once again throughout the early stages of the new year, running a club championship would have been exceptionally problematic as only elite athletes could compete under Level 5 restrictions.
A club-first 2021 season would have seen teams return to full contact training in late February and play right through until the All-Ireland club finals which would have been played on 14/15 August.
The inter-county season would have commenced on 31 July and concluded in late December.
However, the huge support for a county-first approach was again reflected at tonight's meeting and an official GAA announcement heralding the intercounty start is due early next week.
Meanwhile, the GAA's standing playing rules committee also made a number of recommendations to tonight's Central Council meeting.
These are set to be adapted as motions ahead of the 2021 Annual Congress in February.
There's a detailed GAA presentation here - https://wetransfer.com/downloads/47925017ba90bc4a1c01acc63169befb20201219135910/3cac7d
Good news for Cavan and Tipperary.
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will all ireland final be a Saturday would be a great occasion to have it on a saturday in july 5pm throw in
Training to resume in the 6 Cos from 12th April.
If current case numbers continue here hard to see any go ahead being given till after that.
It's not even full training from 12th April. Can be no more than 15 players.
You'd wonder when games will ever start given how slow we are to even be allowed pack on the pitch
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 16, 2021, 06:09:38 PM
It's not even full training from 12th April. Can be no more than 15 players.
You'd wonder when games will ever start given how slow we are to even be allowed pack on the pitch
It's a starting point and hopefully we'll get a summer of club or county action.
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
Dublin winning Leinster and the All-Ireland is predictable.
Tipperary are the current Munster champions. The last five Connacht winners was Mayo, Roscommon, Galway, Roscommon, Galway which is the far from predictable.
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Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that
is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
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Quote from: sid waddell on March 16, 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 16, 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
You could also think of a lot of other counties. Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois - why just pick Leitrim? Speaking of Brainwashed, I bet you are one of those people who think this Dublin team/squad are a one in a generation and money has had nothing to do with their success?
The Scottish cup is better than the league as other teams have a chance with a bit of luck
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Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 16, 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
You could also think of a lot of other counties. Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois - why just pick Leitrim? Speaking of Brainwashed, I bet you are one of those people who think this Dublin team/squad are a one in a generation and money has had nothing to do with their success?
Its all about perspective. Leitrim look at Galway/Mayo and think they can't compete with them. Mayo look at Dublin and think they can't compete with them and Mayo think because they can't win things are unfair.
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 16, 2021, 06:09:38 PM
It's not even full training from 12th April. Can be no more than 15 players.
You'd wonder when games will ever start given how slow we are to even be allowed pack on the pitch
Yeah good luck with that.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2021, 12:39:02 AM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 10:09:25 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 16, 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
You could also think of a lot of other counties. Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois - why just pick Leitrim? Speaking of Brainwashed, I bet you are one of those people who think this Dublin team/squad are a one in a generation and money has had nothing to do with their success?
Its all about perspective. Leitrim look at Galway/Mayo and think they can't compete with them. Mayo look at Dublin and think they can't compete with them and Mayo think because they can't win things are unfair.
What do Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois, think? Why have these counties become like this? Especially Meath? Do you think the best players play for Meath anymore? What's Meaths perspective anymore? Do you think your perspective has changed in the last ten years? Do you think the perspective of Inter-county football has changed in the last ten years? Do you miss the buzz on Leinster final day? Do you miss the fear of losing a game and the thrill when you win it? Do you remember games anymore or are they now just a collective memory of winning all the time? Do you care about 7 in a row? Will you be on cloud nine if it is achieved? Do you miss the away fans in Croker for the Leinster Championship? Do you spend more time taking to your mates than watching the game anymore? Do you laugh at other counties with their pauper funding? Do you see Croker as a neutral venue? Do you wonder what it would be like to play a Championship game in an away venue? Do you know anything other than getting the dart to Croker for a knockout championship match? Do you think the GAA having Dublin as their golden child is good? Do you think that Dublin is the GAA's golden child? Do you think Leitrim care about an All Ireland Football Championship?
They care as little as ye do. But from different perspectives. Leitrim are so far behind they don't even get the chance to care and Dublin are so far in front, winning is only a formality.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 17, 2021, 12:39:02 AM
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Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on March 16, 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
You could also think of a lot of other counties. Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois - why just pick Leitrim? Speaking of Brainwashed, I bet you are one of those people who think this Dublin team/squad are a one in a generation and money has had nothing to do with their success?
Its all about perspective. Leitrim look at Galway/Mayo and think they can't compete with them. Mayo look at Dublin and think they can't compete with them and Mayo think because they can't win things are unfair.
What do Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois, think? Why have these counties become like this? Especially Meath? Do you think the best players play for Meath anymore? What's Meaths perspective anymore? Do you think your perspective has changed in the last ten years? Do you think the perspective of Inter-county football has changed in the last ten years? Do you miss the buzz on Leinster final day? Do you miss the fear of losing a game and the thrill when you win it? Do you remember games anymore or are they now just a collective memory of winning all the time? Do you care about 7 in a row? Will you be on cloud nine if it is achieved? Do you miss the away fans in Croker for the Leinster Championship? Do you spend more time taking to your mates than watching the game anymore? Do you laugh at other counties with their pauper funding? Do you see Croker as a neutral venue? Do you wonder what it would be like to play a Championship game in an away venue? Do you know anything other than getting the dart to Croker for a knockout championship match? Do you think the GAA having Dublin as their golden child is good? Do you think that Dublin is the GAA's golden child? Do you think Leitrim care about an All Ireland Football Championship?
They care as little as ye do. But from different perspectives. Leitrim are so far behind they don't even get the chance to care and Dublin are so far in front, winning is only a formality.
Offaly last won Leinster in 1997 and that was their first Leinster title since 1982.
Kildare last won Leinster in 2000.
Westmeath have won 1 Leinster in their history and that was in 2004.
You can't possibly blame that lack of success over all that time all on big bad Dublin, but strangely you do. It also puts into perspective complaints from Mayo that things are unfair and they can't win given they've just won a connaght championship.
Mayo/Galway are lucky to be in connaght and are helped by the lob sided format that the championship operates in and can reach the provincial final some years by wining just one game, but that's not Dublin's fault so don't mention that.
The national league is always interesting because it follows a simple plan of matching teams of similar ability against each other on a weekly home/away basis. Given this is how most sports around the world run their main competitions you would hope that this is something that someone in the GAA will realise and consider introducing this template into the football championship. It's been done in the hurling championship and it has also been a success.
Club championships around the country are based on ability and not geography which makes them extremely competitive and is another template to base an alternative championship on.
While your anger/bitterness/self pity is that Mayo can't beat Dublin and can ONLY WIN CONNAGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS I feel sorry for the smaller counties like Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford who have no chance of wining anything in the championship. That's why I'm glad the Tommy Murphy cup was introduced. It gives these counties of similar ability a realistic chance of silverware and the opportunity to play championship football in the summer when they'd normally be long gone having been hammered in their provincial championships and/or qualifiers by a far stronger team like a Mayo, Kerry or Dublin
Also you keep saying you've been supporting/cheering on Dublin the last few years anyway so does that not give you any pleasure watching your team win? It's a strange fan who gets angry/upset when his team is successful and wins trophies
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Quote from: sid waddell on March 16, 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 16, 2021, 08:28:47 PM
Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
You could also think of a lot of other counties. Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois - why just pick Leitrim? Speaking of Brainwashed, I bet you are one of those people who think this Dublin team/squad are a one in a generation and money has had nothing to do with their success?
Its all about perspective. Leitrim look at Galway/Mayo and think they can't compete with them. Mayo look at Dublin and think they can't compete with them and Mayo think because they can't win things are unfair.
What do Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois, think? Why have these counties become like this? Especially Meath? Do you think the best players play for Meath anymore? What's Meaths perspective anymore? Do you think your perspective has changed in the last ten years? Do you think the perspective of Inter-county football has changed in the last ten years? Do you miss the buzz on Leinster final day? Do you miss the fear of losing a game and the thrill when you win it? Do you remember games anymore or are they now just a collective memory of winning all the time? Do you care about 7 in a row? Will you be on cloud nine if it is achieved? Do you miss the away fans in Croker for the Leinster Championship? Do you spend more time taking to your mates than watching the game anymore? Do you laugh at other counties with their pauper funding? Do you see Croker as a neutral venue? Do you wonder what it would be like to play a Championship game in an away venue? Do you know anything other than getting the dart to Croker for a knockout championship match? Do you think the GAA having Dublin as their golden child is good? Do you think that Dublin is the GAA's golden child? Do you think Leitrim care about an All Ireland Football Championship?
They care as little as ye do. But from different perspectives. Leitrim are so far behind they don't even get the chance to care and Dublin are so far in front, winning is only a formality.
Offaly last won Leinster in 1997 and that was their first Leinster title since 1982.
Kildare last won Leinster in 2000.
Westmeath have won 1 Leinster in their history and that was in 2004.
You can't possibly blame that lack of success over all that time all on big bad Dublin, but strangely you do. It also puts into perspective complaints from Mayo that things are unfair and they can't win given they've just won a connaght championship.
Mayo/Galway are lucky to be in connaght and are helped by the lob sided format that the championship operates in and can reach the provincial final some years by wining just one game, but that's not Dublin's fault so don't mention that.
The national league is always interesting because it follows a simple plan of matching teams of similar ability against each other on a weekly home/away basis. Given this is how most sports around the world run their main competitions you would hope that this is something that someone in the GAA will realise and consider introducing this template into the football championship. It's been done in the hurling championship and it has also been a success.
Club championships around the country are based on ability and not geography which makes them extremely competitive and is another template to base an alternative championship on.
While your anger/bitterness/self pity is that Mayo can't beat Dublin and can ONLY WIN CONNAGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS I feel sorry for the smaller counties like Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford who have no chance of wining anything in the championship. That's why I'm glad the Tommy Murphy cup was introduced. It gives these counties of similar ability a realistic chance of silverware and the opportunity to play championship football in the summer when they'd normally be long gone having been hammered in their provincial championships and/or qualifiers by a far stronger team like a Mayo, Kerry or Dublin
Also you keep saying you've been supporting/cheering on Dublin the last few years anyway so does that not give you any pleasure watching your team win? It's a strange fan who gets angry/upset when his team is successful and wins trophies
Yeah, Tommy Murphy - Yawn! Where do Kildare fit in all of this grand plan of a competitive championship? Down? Cork? Meath? Roscommon? Laois? Armagh? Cavan?
The AI is seriously broke! We are all seriously well behind Dublin. The nearest county is probably Kerry (based completely on tradition), then Donegal (based on being the best in Ulster) after that Mayo/Galway/Tyrone. The rest aren't within an arses roar and never will be.
Mayo are spent, A complete fluke to make the AI final last year. There is a part of me glad we are no longer in the category of giving Dublin a game. We have drifted back to the chasing pack and may even fall behind that pack.
At our best 2013-2020 Mayo were beaten
every time in both League and Championship by Dublin. The media built it up as a rivalry. But really it was a procession of Dublin domination. But you have to sell tickets, sponsorship and papers. So Mayo filled the void intermittently with Kerry to make believe we had a competitive Championship. A well worked illusion based on one or two games every year!
Yes, I'll be cheering for Dublin again this year. A result other than a Dublin win will only hide the grim reality. Just like Meaths fluke win in 2010 broke what would have been 16 in a row last year instead of 10 in a row.
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Quote from: macker15 on March 16, 2021, 08:00:54 PM
Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
You could also think of a lot of other counties. Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois - why just pick Leitrim? Speaking of Brainwashed, I bet you are one of those people who think this Dublin team/squad are a one in a generation and money has had nothing to do with their success?
Its all about perspective. Leitrim look at Galway/Mayo and think they can't compete with them. Mayo look at Dublin and think they can't compete with them and Mayo think because they can't win things are unfair.
What do Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois, think? Why have these counties become like this? Especially Meath? Do you think the best players play for Meath anymore? What's Meaths perspective anymore? Do you think your perspective has changed in the last ten years? Do you think the perspective of Inter-county football has changed in the last ten years? Do you miss the buzz on Leinster final day? Do you miss the fear of losing a game and the thrill when you win it? Do you remember games anymore or are they now just a collective memory of winning all the time? Do you care about 7 in a row? Will you be on cloud nine if it is achieved? Do you miss the away fans in Croker for the Leinster Championship? Do you spend more time taking to your mates than watching the game anymore? Do you laugh at other counties with their pauper funding? Do you see Croker as a neutral venue? Do you wonder what it would be like to play a Championship game in an away venue? Do you know anything other than getting the dart to Croker for a knockout championship match? Do you think the GAA having Dublin as their golden child is good? Do you think that Dublin is the GAA's golden child? Do you think Leitrim care about an All Ireland Football Championship?
They care as little as ye do. But from different perspectives. Leitrim are so far behind they don't even get the chance to care and Dublin are so far in front, winning is only a formality.
Offaly last won Leinster in 1997 and that was their first Leinster title since 1982.
Kildare last won Leinster in 2000.
Westmeath have won 1 Leinster in their history and that was in 2004.
You can't possibly blame that lack of success over all that time all on big bad Dublin, but strangely you do. It also puts into perspective complaints from Mayo that things are unfair and they can't win given they've just won a connaght championship.
Mayo/Galway are lucky to be in connaght and are helped by the lob sided format that the championship operates in and can reach the provincial final some years by wining just one game, but that's not Dublin's fault so don't mention that.
The national league is always interesting because it follows a simple plan of matching teams of similar ability against each other on a weekly home/away basis. Given this is how most sports around the world run their main competitions you would hope that this is something that someone in the GAA will realise and consider introducing this template into the football championship. It's been done in the hurling championship and it has also been a success.
Club championships around the country are based on ability and not geography which makes them extremely competitive and is another template to base an alternative championship on.
While your anger/bitterness/self pity is that Mayo can't beat Dublin and can ONLY WIN CONNAGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS I feel sorry for the smaller counties like Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford who have no chance of wining anything in the championship. That's why I'm glad the Tommy Murphy cup was introduced. It gives these counties of similar ability a realistic chance of silverware and the opportunity to play championship football in the summer when they'd normally be long gone having been hammered in their provincial championships and/or qualifiers by a far stronger team like a Mayo, Kerry or Dublin
Also you keep saying you've been supporting/cheering on Dublin the last few years anyway so does that not give you any pleasure watching your team win? It's a strange fan who gets angry/upset when his team is successful and wins trophies
Yeah, Tommy Murphy - Yawn! Where do Kildare fit in all of this grand plan of a competitive championship? Down? Cork? Meath? Roscommon? Laois? Armagh? Cavan?
The AI is seriously broke! We are all seriously well behind Dublin. The nearest county is probably Kerry (based completely on tradition), then Donegal (based on being the best in Ulster) after that Mayo/Galway/Tyrone. The rest aren't within an arses roar and never will be.
Mayo are spent, A complete fluke to make the AI final last year. There is a part of me glad we are no longer in the category of giving Dublin a game. We have drifted back to the chasing pack and may even fall behind that pack.
At our best 2013-2020 Mayo were beaten every time in both League and Championship by Dublin. The media built it up as a rivalry. But really it was a procession of Dublin domination. But you have to sell tickets, sponsorship and papers. So Mayo filled the void intermittently with Kerry to make believe we had a competitive Championship. A well worked illusion based on one or two games every year!
Yes, I'll be cheering for Dublin again this year. A result other than a Dublin win will only hide the grim reality. Just like Meaths fluke win in 2010 broke what would have been 16 in a row last year instead of 10 in a row.
Jumping on the bandwagon now following the jackeens? Are the kids wearing Dublin jerseys now? 🤣🤣
That's probably spot on Macker. It's not just the fact that Mayo couldn't beat dubs but now FTB jr or multiple jr's are running around in Dublin jersies pretending to be Ciaran Kilkenny/Con O'callaghan etc. and that's just too much. No wonder he doesn't go to games any more.
Ah, the kids don't follow the intercounty game. They play for the club and they enjoy playing the game.
Dublin winning every year is comedy gold. Pundits trying to analyse games, Co-commentators trying to pretend the opposition are putting up a good fight, everybody in denial of the money, everybody in denial of the home advantage and everybody in denial of the gulf in class. All dancing around the Money rich Dubs afraid to say anything. All want to hold onto their handy jobs, their sponsors and so on. Even Dublin have learned to waterdown hammerings to the opposition in order not to highlight how good they are.
Dubs fans are in their own lockdown when it comes to Championship football. They are not allowed to travel outside the pale and have to play all their games at home. They are in their own cocoon as to what other counties have to do.
I have not been at an inter-county game since 2017. There is a trend there of people not going. Lads I know from Westmeath, Galway, Meath, Kildare, Sligo, Longford that were hardcore followers and no longer go. To be fair they are older now, but most would rather spend the time and money on other activities.
Anyway 7 in a row is on the way. ;D
Enjoy it if you can, as satisfaction of the titles diminish every year. :-\
That's some serious self pity there FtB. If anything it makes Dublin's victories sweeter knowing how it upsets non dubs like yourself.
I'm glad you think the dubs will win 7 in a row.
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That's some serious self pity there FtB. If anything it makes Dublin's victories sweeter knowing how it upsets non dubs like yourself.
I'm glad you think the dubs will win 7 in a row.
Yeah, it kinda sad you are up there in your cocoon, in your own world never going outside the Pale. Courted by the media and the GAA to be oblivious to where the GAA intercounty game is and to where it is going.
The Competition is broke. Less and less care anymore.
Anyway back to your cocoon in the pale! I suppose somebody has to go to games up there. ;D
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That's some serious self pity there FtB. If anything it makes Dublin's victories sweeter knowing how it upsets non dubs like yourself.
I'm glad you think the dubs will win 7 in a row.
Yeah, it kinda sad you are up there in your cocoon, in your own world never going outside the Pale. Courted by the media and the GAA to be oblivious to where the GAA intercounty game is and to where it is going.
The Competition is broke. Less and less care anymore.
Anyway back to your cocoon in the pale! I suppose somebody has to go to games up there. ;D
Everyone has always wanted to dubs to lose and for years they were the butt of everyone's jokes. Now they're hated even more, but the dubs are winning trophies so for us dubs it's great. You don't go to games anymore anyway do why do you care who wins anything? Just watch something else on tv. No one's forcing you to watch the dubs.
Marc O'Se used to love it when people hated Kerry when they were successful and has said he now hates that people almost feel sorry for Kerry because the dubs are so dominant. He longs for the day when Kerry will be successful and hated again (like you hate the dubs now)😉
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That's some serious self pity there FtB. If anything it makes Dublin's victories sweeter knowing how it upsets non dubs like yourself.
I'm glad you think the dubs will win 7 in a row.
Yeah, it kinda sad you are up there in your cocoon, in your own world never going outside the Pale. Courted by the media and the GAA to be oblivious to where the GAA intercounty game is and to where it is going.
The Competition is broke. Less and less care anymore.
Anyway back to your cocoon in the pale! I suppose somebody has to go to games up there. ;D
Everyone has always wanted to dubs to lose and for years they were the butt of everyone's jokes. Now they're hated even more, but the dubs are winning trophies so for us dubs it's great. You don't go to games anymore anyway do why do you care who wins anything? Just watch something else on tv. No one's forcing you to watch the dubs.
Marc O'Se used to love it when people hated Kerry when they were successful and has said he now hates that people almost feel sorry for Kerry because the dubs are so dominant. He longs for the day when Kerry will be successful and hated again (like you hate the dubs now)😉
He may have to long for a lot longer that he anticipates.
There has been more change,, social. political, economic and sporting, in this country since the beginning of this century than in the whole of recorded history till then.
I think Kerry are tangled up in a web of their own making. They expect victory because of what happened in the past. Well, the past is of very little relevance here.
I cannot see any county putting it up to Dublin for a sustained period anymore but there's hope of sorts in the chasing pack that the Dubs will have an odd offday. That's only human. Scraps from the rich mans table, if you know what I mean.
But the likes of Mayo, Galway, Donegal, and a growing number of others are using all the latest in sports conditioning, psychology and can afford the best expertise available to prepare their teams. They have every right to be wary of Dublin but not of Kerry, yesterday's king pins.
I was delighted when Dublin won the AI in 1995. If Tyrone had won I would have been glad also. That Dublin team had added to so many memorable games in the early 90's, missing out narrowly on so many occasions. It was great that so many servants were rewarded for their exploits.
The same could be said of winning in 2011. There vast majority (outside Dublin) enjoyed that win, You could sense the relief in the Capital.
True people like to see the Dubs on their arse, but that comes with the Townie looking down on the Culchie illusion. With the hope of the Culchie putting the townie in their place.
Dublin fans have suffered, and barring Kerry what county doesn't? The problem now is the winning side now is over laden with success. It has evolved since 2005 as a procession of winning Leinster's to winning AI's.
This long term is no good for anybody. Definitely not good for the losers and over time will not really be good for the dominant winner.
And for the GAA family (which we are all part of) it is a disaster.
Senior Inter County training starts from April 19th. NFL matches in May. What championship will be played June, July, August club or county?
Inter County training for U20 and minor teams not back until May it seems?
GAA HQ to publish a revised fixture schedule at the end of next week.
Scrap The Leagues
Sorry. Missed this thread.
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Straight knockout again.
Semi final pairings
Dublin v Connacht
Ulster v Munster
Dublin v Kerry/Tyrone/Donegal final you'd suspect.
Hopefully they can do at least a 75% full Croke Park for the final.
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Can they not do a open draw? Provincials bar Ulster are too predictable.
The AI championship is more predictable than the Provincials, should we just get rid of that?
From seeing your posts over the last while it would appear that that is actually what you want
Meanwhile you seem to be a keen fan of Scottish soccer, which has been ultra-competitive for the last decade, I think
It's steadily looking more likely that it will slowly reach it's conclusion. You have the traditionalists hoping Kerry break Dublin's stranglehold but that would only prolong the misery. We have reached the point of no return.
My kids have no interest in intercounty football. They play the game competitively, but they'd never get caught up in what they see as the same inevitable result every year. It's just too boring. I'd imagine this is becoming a common theme around the country.
Your kids didn't lick it off a stone . Terrible to be brainwashed like that. Think of all the Leitrim supporters every year. Mayo had every to win All Ireland 2012-2017. An outstanding team.
You could also think of a lot of other counties. Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois - why just pick Leitrim? Speaking of Brainwashed, I bet you are one of those people who think this Dublin team/squad are a one in a generation and money has had nothing to do with their success?
Its all about perspective. Leitrim look at Galway/Mayo and think they can't compete with them. Mayo look at Dublin and think they can't compete with them and Mayo think because they can't win things are unfair.
What do Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois, think? Why have these counties become like this? Especially Meath? Do you think the best players play for Meath anymore? What's Meaths perspective anymore? Do you think your perspective has changed in the last ten years? Do you think the perspective of Inter-county football has changed in the last ten years? Do you miss the buzz on Leinster final day? Do you miss the fear of losing a game and the thrill when you win it? Do you remember games anymore or are they now just a collective memory of winning all the time? Do you care about 7 in a row? Will you be on cloud nine if it is achieved? Do you miss the away fans in Croker for the Leinster Championship? Do you spend more time taking to your mates than watching the game anymore? Do you laugh at other counties with their pauper funding? Do you see Croker as a neutral venue? Do you wonder what it would be like to play a Championship game in an away venue? Do you know anything other than getting the dart to Croker for a knockout championship match? Do you think the GAA having Dublin as their golden child is good? Do you think that Dublin is the GAA's golden child? Do you think Leitrim care about an All Ireland Football Championship?
They care as little as ye do. But from different perspectives. Leitrim are so far behind they don't even get the chance to care and Dublin are so far in front, winning is only a formality.
Offaly last won Leinster in 1997 and that was their first Leinster title since 1982.
Kildare last won Leinster in 2000.
Westmeath have won 1 Leinster in their history and that was in 2004.
You can't possibly blame that lack of success over all that time all on big bad Dublin, but strangely you do. It also puts into perspective complaints from Mayo that things are unfair and they can't win given they've just won a connaght championship.
Mayo/Galway are lucky to be in connaght and are helped by the lob sided format that the championship operates in and can reach the provincial final some years by wining just one game, but that's not Dublin's fault so don't mention that.
The national league is always interesting because it follows a simple plan of matching teams of similar ability against each other on a weekly home/away basis. Given this is how most sports around the world run their main competitions you would hope that this is something that someone in the GAA will realise and consider introducing this template into the football championship. It's been done in the hurling championship and it has also been a success.
Club championships around the country are based on ability and not geography which makes them extremely competitive and is another template to base an alternative championship on.
While your anger/bitterness/self pity is that Mayo can't beat Dublin and can ONLY WIN CONNAGHT CHAMPIONSHIPS I feel sorry for the smaller counties like Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford who have no chance of wining anything in the championship. That's why I'm glad the Tommy Murphy cup was introduced. It gives these counties of similar ability a realistic chance of silverware and the opportunity to play championship football in the summer when they'd normally be long gone having been hammered in their provincial championships and/or qualifiers by a far stronger team like a Mayo, Kerry or Dublin
Also you keep saying you've been supporting/cheering on Dublin the last few years anyway so does that not give you any pleasure watching your team win? It's a strange fan who gets angry/upset when his team is successful and wins trophies
Yeah, Tommy Murphy - Yawn! Where do Kildare fit in all of this grand plan of a competitive championship? Down? Cork? Meath? Roscommon? Laois? Armagh? Cavan?
The AI is seriously broke! We are all seriously well behind Dublin. The nearest county is probably Kerry (based completely on tradition), then Donegal (based on being the best in Ulster) after that Mayo/Galway/Tyrone. The rest aren't within an arses roar and never will be.
Mayo are spent, A complete fluke to make the AI final last year. There is a part of me glad we are no longer in the category of giving Dublin a game. We have drifted back to the chasing pack and may even fall behind that pack.
At our best 2013-2020 Mayo were beaten every time in both League and Championship by Dublin. The media built it up as a rivalry. But really it was a procession of Dublin domination. But you have to sell tickets, sponsorship and papers. So Mayo filled the void intermittently with Kerry to make believe we had a competitive Championship. A well worked illusion based on one or two games every year!
Yes, I'll be cheering for Dublin again this year. A result other than a Dublin win will only hide the grim reality. Just like Meaths fluke win in 2010 broke what would have been 16 in a row last year instead of 10 in a row.
Claiming the Mayo-Dublin rivalry of the last decade was nothing more than a Dublin procession is a huge insult to all the Mayo lads involved. Absolutely brilliant team who were unlucky to come up against this Dublin side and managed to beat themselves more often than the Dubs did between own goals and daft red cards.
Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
League semi finals and finals a bit odd. Plus relegation play offs. This to line up the split championship next year? Or to give more games, not allow challenge games?
What is odd is that after semi finals played, if one of the finalists has a championship game the weekend after the final, they title is shared and final not played. Seems a bit pointless.
I enjoyed the knock out last year and happy to go again. With prospect of no crowds, would have bit of craic and opportunity to say feck it, all in open draw across everyone. But maybe the success of Cavan and Tipp warranted keeping the provinces again.
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Sorry. Missed this thread.
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Straight knockout again.
Semi final pairings
Dublin v Connacht
Ulster v Munster
Dublin v Kerry/Tyrone/Donegal final you'd suspect.
Hopefully they can do at least a 75% full Croke Park for the final.
A Mayo Armagh final it is then.
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A Mayo Armagh final it is then.
A Mayo-Armagh final where you couldn't go would be frustrating.
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League semi finals and finals a bit odd. Plus relegation play offs. This to line up the split championship next year? Or to give more games, not allow challenge games?
What is odd is that after semi finals played, if one of the finalists has a championship game the weekend after the final, they title is shared and final not played. Seems a bit pointless.
I enjoyed the knock out last year and happy to go again. With prospect of no crowds, would have bit of craic and opportunity to say feck it, all in open draw across everyone. But maybe the success of Cavan and Tipp warranted keeping the provinces again.
As odd as it might be the idea is to have every team get at least 5 competitive games from those two competitions.
I'd expect challenge games will be played by the end of this month.
Quote from: Louther on April 08, 2021, 08:26:14 PM
League semi finals and finals a bit odd. Plus relegation play offs. This to line up the split championship next year? Or to give more games, not allow challenge games?
What is odd is that after semi finals played, if one of the finalists has a championship game the weekend after the final, they title is shared and final not played. Seems a bit pointless.
I enjoyed the knock out last year and happy to go again. With prospect of no crowds, would have bit of craic and opportunity to say feck it, all in open draw across everyone. But maybe the success of Cavan and Tipp warranted keeping the provinces again.
League semi-finals and relegation play-offs are needed to sort out promotion and relegation.
Interesting to see Croke Park spokesman McGill say the League is the more important competition for most Counties.
Doesn't say much for that other competition!
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League semi finals and finals a bit odd. Plus relegation play offs. This to line up the split championship next year? Or to give more games, not allow challenge games?
What is odd is that after semi finals played, if one of the finalists has a championship game the weekend after the final, they title is shared and final not played. Seems a bit pointless.
I enjoyed the knock out last year and happy to go again. With prospect of no crowds, would have bit of craic and opportunity to say feck it, all in open draw across everyone. But maybe the success of Cavan and Tipp warranted keeping the provinces again.
League semi-finals and relegation play-offs are needed to sort out promotion and relegation.
Yes and no. Top and bottom could go up and down. Would be harsh given only 3 games. Div 1 doesn't need semi final and final. Belittles it if you plan for finals but then say it's shared anyway if they playing the next weekend.
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Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
But at least you gave them a serious game most of the time.
Outside of McGuinness outsmarting Gavin and catching them on the hop in 2014, and Kerry getting that draw when Jonny Cooper got the line in the first half, no one else has so much as laid a finger on them since you beat them in 2012.
Its Mayo misfortune that their 2010s team may have been better than quite a number of teams that actually won All Irelands over the past 25 years. I remember one of the Kerry lads commenting on here years ago that Cork were probably the second best team in the country many years, based on the relative challenges the Kerry teams faced (think he was responding to the old accusation that Kerry always had it easy and won a load of handy All Irelands). But if so, they had the misfortune of being in the same province as Kerry, and in the absence of the backdoor, are not remembered. Mayo will be though.
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Interesting to see Croke Park spokesman McGill say the League is the more important competition for most Counties.
Doesn't say much for that other competition!
It is more important and the best format competition the GAA have. A pity they are messing around with it but hopefully the format of 7 games each is restored for 2022.
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Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
But at least you gave them a serious game most of the time.
Outside of McGuinness outsmarting Gavin and catching them on the hop in 2014, and Kerry getting that draw when Jonny Cooper got the line in the first half, no one else has so much as laid a finger on them since you beat them in 2012.
Its Mayo misfortune that their 2010s team may have been better than quite a number of teams that actually won All Irelands over the past 25 years. I remember one of the Kerry lads commenting on here years ago that Cork were probably the second best team in the country many years, based on the relative challenges the Kerry teams faced (think he was responding to the old accusation that Kerry always had it easy and won a load of handy All Irelands). But if so, they had the misfortune of being in the same province as Kerry, and in the absence of the backdoor, are not remembered. Mayo will be though.
Was it really a case of McGuinness outsmarting Gavin in 2014? The big factor for me was the goal conversion rate - Donegal scored 3-1 from 4 shots on goal compared to Dublin who had 5 shots on goal and missed all 5.
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Interesting to see Croke Park spokesman McGill say the League is the more important competition for most Counties.
Doesn't say much for that other competition!
It is more important and the best format competition the GAA have. A pity they are messing around with it but hopefully the format of 7 games each is restored for 2022.
If its passed at Congress the League will be the only avenue to get to the Championship.
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Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
But at least you gave them a serious game most of the time.
Outside of McGuinness outsmarting Gavin and catching them on the hop in 2014, and Kerry getting that draw when Jonny Cooper got the line in the first half, no one else has so much as laid a finger on them since you beat them in 2012.
Its Mayo misfortune that their 2010s team may have been better than quite a number of teams that actually won All Irelands over the past 25 years. I remember one of the Kerry lads commenting on here years ago that Cork were probably the second best team in the country many years, based on the relative challenges the Kerry teams faced (think he was responding to the old accusation that Kerry always had it easy and won a load of handy All Irelands). But if so, they had the misfortune of being in the same province as Kerry, and in the absence of the backdoor, are not remembered. Mayo will be though.
Was it really a case of McGuinness outsmarting Gavin in 2014? The big factor for me was the goal conversion rate - Donegal scored 3-1 from 4 shots on goal compared to Dublin who had 5 shots on goal and missed all 5.
Yeah, Dublin missed a few goal chances, but even after the two big ones in the first half (one a scuffed shot from Connolly from which he should have done better, the other blown under pressure on O'Gara and Brogan), they were still five points up, even though Donegal were starting to get to grips with them and the long range shots were starting to miss their target. The goal attempts late on were desperation stuff.
McGuinness had the Donegal players doing drills in training, over and over again, where the midfielders or half-forwards would run through the centre of the Dublin half, everything opening up in front of them, to exploit a weakness that no one else had done to that point. Apparently McGuinness had seen other teams getting into that position earlier in the championship, but their players generally panicked and didn't know what to do, whether to go on themselves or try to find a teammate. According to Rory Kavanagh's book, the Donegal players were the same until McGuinness drilled into them what to do to exploit it. And they made hay in the second half doing exactly that.
There were obviously no guarantees that Donegal would beat Dublin by targeting their absent half-backs on the break, but what is guaranteed is that they would have not won if McGuinness hadn't set them up and drilled them to exploit that weakness.
And Dublin were never again caught out throwing everyone forward and being outnumbered on the break after that.
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Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
please remove the the green and red from your Avatar ya traitor .
Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
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Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
The Mayo team that started the AI final last December had 4 new players ( Oisin Mullin, Eoghan McLaughlin, Tommy Conroy,Ryan O’Donoghue) the rest already had the experience of playing in the latter stages of the championship and since then two starters Barrett and Clarke have retired.
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League semi finals and finals a bit odd. Plus relegation play offs. This to line up the split championship next year? Or to give more games, not allow challenge games?
What is odd is that after semi finals played, if one of the finalists has a championship game the weekend after the final, they title is shared and final not played. Seems a bit pointless.
I enjoyed the knock out last year and happy to go again. With prospect of no crowds, would have bit of craic and opportunity to say feck it, all in open draw across everyone. But maybe the success of Cavan and Tipp warranted keeping the provinces again.
League semi-finals and relegation play-offs are needed to sort out promotion and relegation.
Yes and no. Top and bottom could go up and down. Would be harsh given only 3 games. Div 1 doesn't need semi final and final. Belittles it if you plan for finals but then say it's shared anyway if they playing the next weekend.
As you say, it would be harsh considering the leagues are split into north and south. For example, the two best teams in division 3 could be in the north section and only one of them would be able to get promoted. Something similar could happen for relegation. For the sake of an extra game it makes more sense to have semi-finals and relegation playoffs.
Whens the draw going to be made for the championship?
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Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
please remove the the green and red from your Avatar ya traitor .
Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
Apologies for bursting your bubble. Hearing the truth can be often tough. Just goes to show you how well the media and the GAA have disguised the AI championship the last decade. I was blind also, in the past. Mayo circa 2013-2017 were very good. So good they actually disguised how far ahead Dublin are anymore.
Will not be easy to get as good a group of players of that quality again. Look at Armagh and Tyrone struggles since the 00's.
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Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
please remove the the green and red from your Avatar ya traitor .
Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
Apologies for bursting your bubble. Hearing the truth can be often tough. Just goes to show you how well the media and the GAA have disguised the AI championship the last decade. I was blind also, in the past. Mayo circa 2013-2017 were very good. So good they actually disguised how far ahead Dublin are anymore.
Will not be easy to get as good a group of players of that quality again. Look at Armagh and Tyrone struggles since the 00's.
Yerra
what a joke so no league final if one team has a game the week after so why not do 1st in each group only play in final and scrap the semis if thats the case
Monday, April 19
Morning Ireland: Munster | Football @ 7.30 Hurling @ 8.30
6.01 News: Connacht Football Draw
Tuesday, April 20
Morning Ireland: Leinster | Football @ 7.30 Hurling @ 8.30
6.01 News: Ulster Football Draw
Mother of God, 2 days and 6 separate draws. Talk about pulling teeth. It's not that big of a deal, just draw the bloody names out and move on.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2021, 08:06:52 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2021, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
please remove the the green and red from your Avatar ya traitor .
Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
Apologies for bursting your bubble. Hearing the truth can be often tough. Just goes to show you how well the media and the GAA have disguised the AI championship the last decade. I was blind also, in the past. Mayo circa 2013-2017 were very good. So good they actually disguised how far ahead Dublin are anymore.
Will not be easy to get as good a group of players of that quality again. Look at Armagh and Tyrone struggles since the 00's.
I don't care what you think just don't pretend to be a Mayo Fan, Armagh and Tyrone troubles are Irrelevant to the current mayo team .
The Mayo team have managed to Crossover a generation which armagh in particular failed to Do , At leat Tyrone have kept Dining at the top table and it will be very interesting to see if Mickey harte was more of a help or hindrance.
Quote from: macker15 on April 10, 2021, 06:39:12 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2021, 08:06:52 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2021, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
please remove the the green and red from your Avatar ya traitor .
Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
Apologies for bursting your bubble. Hearing the truth can be often tough. Just goes to show you how well the media and the GAA have disguised the AI championship the last decade. I was blind also, in the past. Mayo circa 2013-2017 were very good. So good they actually disguised how far ahead Dublin are anymore.
Will not be easy to get as good a group of players of that quality again. Look at Armagh and Tyrone struggles since the 00's.
Yerra
Now,now a bit of linguistic correctness is called for here. Arra is what you should use in future.
Quote from: rosnarun on April 13, 2021, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2021, 08:06:52 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2021, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
please remove the the green and red from your Avatar ya traitor .
Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
Apologies for bursting your bubble. Hearing the truth can be often tough. Just goes to show you how well the media and the GAA have disguised the AI championship the last decade. I was blind also, in the past. Mayo circa 2013-2017 were very good. So good they actually disguised how far ahead Dublin are anymore.
Will not be easy to get as good a group of players of that quality again. Look at Armagh and Tyrone struggles since the 00's.
I don't care what you think just don't pretend to be a Mayo Fan, Armagh and Tyrone troubles are Irrelevant to the current mayo team .
The Mayo team have managed to Crossover a generation which armagh in particular failed to Do , At leat Tyrone have kept Dining at the top table and it will be very interesting to see if Mickey harte was more of a help or hindrance.
Mayo have managed to cross over a generation based on what? Getting relegated from Division One? Getting to an AI final beating Leitrim, Roscommon, Galway and Tipperary? Getting beat in the final by a Dublin team playing in second gear?
It's not that I'm not a Mayo fan, more I'm not really a fan of the Intercounty game with a Financially advantaged Dublin anymore. You are blindly pegging your hopes on handful of new players. We also have quite a few decent lads who will be coming to the end in the next year or two.
How can anyone be interested in the football this year? The Dubs have been taking the piss for several years. I don't care how good they are. There is no competition worth taking about. The all Ireland final is a turkey shoot.
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
How can anyone be interested in the football this year? The Dubs have been taking the piss for several years. I don't care how good they are. There is no competition worth taking about. The all Ireland final is a turkey shoot.
Loads interested. A lot more to All Ireland championship than just who wins it. I'm also looking forward to the start of the NFL next month and hopefully the underage competitions gets the green light for go soon.
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
How can anyone be interested in the football this year? The Dubs have been taking the piss for several years. I don't care how good they are. There is no competition worth taking about. The all Ireland final is a turkey shoot.
Bit of interest in our local squabble in Connacht, also Ulster's squabble.
Leinster and AI....never mind
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 13, 2021, 08:04:02 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 13, 2021, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2021, 08:06:52 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 09, 2021, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 08, 2021, 08:04:03 PM
Armagh18, You contradict yourself in the above paragraph. True Mayo had a good side, but the results tell of nothing other than a procession of dominance by Dublin - 8 League wins in a row and 6 wins and 2 draws in Championship from 2013-2020. That's 16 times both counties met between 2013-2020. Dublin have won 14 times, 2 Draws and 0 losses!
please remove the the green and red from your Avatar ya traitor .
Mayo are coming strong with a new team and reached AIF on first attempt . the skys the Limit for these Guys
Apologies for bursting your bubble. Hearing the truth can be often tough. Just goes to show you how well the media and the GAA have disguised the AI championship the last decade. I was blind also, in the past. Mayo circa 2013-2017 were very good. So good they actually disguised how far ahead Dublin are anymore.
Will not be easy to get as good a group of players of that quality again. Look at Armagh and Tyrone struggles since the 00's.
I don't care what you think just don't pretend to be a Mayo Fan, Armagh and Tyrone troubles are Irrelevant to the current mayo team .
The Mayo team have managed to Crossover a generation which armagh in particular failed to Do , At leat Tyrone have kept Dining at the top table and it will be very interesting to see if Mickey harte was more of a help or hindrance.
Mayo have managed to cross over a generation based on what? Getting relegated from Division One? Getting to an AI final beating Leitrim, Roscommon, Galway and Tipperary? Getting beat in the final by a Dublin team playing in second gear?
It's not that I'm not a Mayo fan, more I'm not really a fan of the Intercounty game with a Financially advantaged Dublin anymore. You are blindly pegging your hopes on handful of new players. We also have quite a few decent lads who will be coming to the end in the next year or two.
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 13, 2021, 10:17:28 PM
Quote from: seafoid on April 13, 2021, 08:19:59 PM
How can anyone be interested in the football this year? The Dubs have been taking the piss for several years. I don't care how good they are. There is no competition worth taking about. The all Ireland final is a turkey shoot.
Bit of interest in our local squabble in Connacht, also Ulster's squabble.
Leinster and AI....never mind
With knockout football Roscommon and Galway wont be beating Mayo. Galway having knockout game in Croke Park in 20 years, add 20 to that for Roscommon. Sligo beating Tyrone.in 02 last Connacht team to win knockout champ game??
FTB you raised some valid points in your last championship game. 🤣🤣🤣
https://m.independent.ie/videos/sport/watch-the-ref-was-an-absolute-disgrace-yet-again-mayo-fan-reacts-after-dublin-defeat-36140504.html
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:19:19 PM
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Back from where? They haven't gone away. Beat Galway by 1 point which was far from handy.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 13, 2021, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:19:19 PM
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Back from where? They haven't gone away. Beat Galway by 1 point which was far from handy.
The way FTB is talking you swear Mayo wouldn't beat Leitrim. Mayo were comfortable against Galway. Let them back into game last 10 minutes.
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:53:29 PM
FTB you raised some valid points in your last championship game. 🤣🤣🤣
https://m.independent.ie/videos/sport/watch-the-ref-was-an-absolute-disgrace-yet-again-mayo-fan-reacts-after-dublin-defeat-36140504.html
Sid may have had a valid point, but I thought he was a little rude the way he interrupted FTB!
Quote from: macker15 on April 14, 2021, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 13, 2021, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:19:19 PM
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Back from where? They haven't gone away. Beat Galway by 1 point which was far from handy.
The way FTB is talking you swear Mayo wouldn't beat Leitrim. Mayo were comfortable against Galway. Let them back into game last 10 minutes.
I love the idiot besmirching the massive achievement of mayo last year and looking down on a narrow enough defeat to one of the best teams in recent years with practicly a brand new Team. If Horan carries it off it will be his Ferguson Moment . money has nothing to do with it. Do you realise how long song very strong counties have gone since they last played in an AllIreland final . Time for people to take their heads out of their arses and appreciate what we have while we have it , did the lads leaving croker park in 1951 realise that Mayo would only make one Semi Final in the next 30 years
(years since Final appearance )
Galway 20
meath 20
Kildare 22
offaly 39
Roscommon 41
Armagh 18
Derry 28
Even Donegal who most people consider a top team have gone 7 years
Quote from: rosnarun on April 14, 2021, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 14, 2021, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 13, 2021, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:19:19 PM
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Back from where? They haven't gone away. Beat Galway by 1 point which was far from handy.
The way FTB is talking you swear Mayo wouldn't beat Leitrim. Mayo were comfortable against Galway. Let them back into game last 10 minutes.
I love the idiot besmirching the massive achievement of mayo last year and looking down on a narrow enough defeat to one of the best teams in recent years with practicly a brand new Team. If Horan carries it off it will be his Ferguson Moment . money has nothing to do with it. Do you realise how long song very strong counties have gone since they last played in an AllIreland final . Time for people to take their heads out of their arses and appreciate what we have while we have it , did the lads leaving croker park in 1951 realise that Mayo would only make one Semi Final in the next 30 years
(years since Final appearance )
Galway 20
meath 20
Kildare 22
offaly 39
Roscommon 41
Armagh 18
Derry 28
Even Donegal who most people consider a top team have gone 7 years
Yes Since 1989 Mayo have turned into the Jimmy White of GAA football. Many finals that was there to be won and lost due to own errors. Will be all the more frustrating if say Galway reach their first final in two decades and win it.
Quote from: rosnarun on April 14, 2021, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 14, 2021, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 13, 2021, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:19:19 PM
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Back from where? They haven't gone away. Beat Galway by 1 point which was far from handy.
The way FTB is talking you swear Mayo wouldn't beat Leitrim. Mayo were comfortable against Galway. Let them back into game last 10 minutes.
I love the idiot besmirching the massive achievement of mayo last year and looking down on a narrow enough defeat to one of the best teams in recent years with practicly a brand new Team. If Horan carries it off it will be his Ferguson Moment . money has nothing to do with it. Do you realise how long song very strong counties have gone since they last played in an AllIreland final . Time for people to take their heads out of their arses and appreciate what we have while we have it , did the lads leaving croker park in 1951 realise that Mayo would only make one Semi Final in the next 30 years
(years since Final appearance )
Galway 20
meath 20
Kildare 22
offaly 39
Roscommon 41
Armagh 18
Derry 28
Even Donegal who most people consider a top team have gone 7 years
No need for the name calling! If you don't agree with me, you don't agree with me. I greatly respect the efforts of the Mayo teams of the last 10, 20, 30 even 70 years! But don't be blinded by county pride as to where we and the chasing bunch are positioned in relation to winning an AI title. You can continue to ignore the harsh facts and stats. But they tell the same story every year. We were unfortunate to have one of our better groups at the same stage Dublin's financial investments came to fruition. Them's the breaks.
So the North given the go ahead for competitive sport from 23rd April? I wonder will we see teams crossing the border for friendlies again, the opposite way this time?
The poor dears might need counselling.....
Imagine having to play TWO away games
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dubs-mayhit-the-leinster-road-twice-in-sam-defence-40318897.html
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2021, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 14, 2021, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 14, 2021, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 13, 2021, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:19:19 PM
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Back from where? They haven't gone away. Beat Galway by 1 point which was far from handy.
The way FTB is talking you swear Mayo wouldn't beat Leitrim. Mayo were comfortable against Galway. Let them back into game last 10 minutes.
I love the idiot besmirching the massive achievement of mayo last year and looking down on a narrow enough defeat to one of the best teams in recent years with practicly a brand new Team. If Horan carries it off it will be his Ferguson Moment . money has nothing to do with it. Do you realise how long song very strong counties have gone since they last played in an AllIreland final . Time for people to take their heads out of their arses and appreciate what we have while we have it , did the lads leaving croker park in 1951 realise that Mayo would only make one Semi Final in the next 30 years
(years since Final appearance )
Galway 20
meath 20
Kildare 22
offaly 39
Roscommon 41
Armagh 18
Derry 28
Even Donegal who most people consider a top team have gone 7 years
Yes Since 1989 Mayo have turned into the Jimmy White of GAA football. Many finals that was there to be won and lost due to own errors. Will be all the more frustrating if say Galway reach their first final in two decades and win it.
Steve Davis wasn't funded exclusively by the snooker authorities.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 14, 2021, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on April 14, 2021, 03:30:14 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 14, 2021, 08:16:24 AM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 13, 2021, 11:13:05 PM
Quote from: macker15 on April 13, 2021, 10:19:19 PM
You were quiet when Mayo beat financially advantaged dubs in 2012 and 2006. Cillian O'Connor missed two scoreable frees to win 2016 and 2017. Lee Keegan kicking ball into keeper hand when 5 points and Mikey Sweeney cost.ye in 2015 games. Donal Vaughan red mist cost ye 2017 final too
Not forgetting Cormac Reilly riding ye against Kerry in 2014 and James Horan sideline blunders in 2012 and 13 finals. Mayo will be back. Ye were transition last year and beat Roscommon and Galway handy enough.
Back from where? They haven't gone away. Beat Galway by 1 point which was far from handy.
The way FTB is talking you swear Mayo wouldn't beat Leitrim. Mayo were comfortable against Galway. Let them back into game last 10 minutes.
I love the idiot besmirching the massive achievement of mayo last year and looking down on a narrow enough defeat to one of the best teams in recent years with practicly a brand new Team. If Horan carries it off it will be his Ferguson Moment . money has nothing to do with it. Do you realise how long song very strong counties have gone since they last played in an AllIreland final . Time for people to take their heads out of their arses and appreciate what we have while we have it , did the lads leaving croker park in 1951 realise that Mayo would only make one Semi Final in the next 30 years
(years since Final appearance )
Galway 20
meath 20
Kildare 22
offaly 39
Roscommon 41
Armagh 18
Derry 28
Even Donegal who most people consider a top team have gone 7 years
No need for the name calling! If you don't agree with me, you don't agree with me. I greatly respect the efforts of the Mayo teams of the last 10, 20, 30 even 70 years! But don't be blinded by county pride as to where we and the chasing bunch are positioned in relation to winning an AI title. You can continue to ignore the harsh facts and stats. But they tell the same story every year. We were unfortunate to have one of our better groups at the same stage Dublin's financial investments came to fruition. Them's the breaks.
sorry I mean idiots rather than idiot as it was not aimed Just at you.
the stats are mayo are currently the second best team in the country by the only method that count ans have done so with a new team. I can think of one reason to be pessimistic. Losing to dublin is no great shame unless you just want to call the whole thing off . but rather than change everything to suit you an easier solution is just for you and fellow Apostates is to step away
First of the football provincial draws this morning (Munster)
Quarter finals
Clare v Kerry
Waterford v Limerick
Semi finals
Tipperary v Clare or Kerry
Cork v Waterford or Limerick
Connacht draw at 6pm tonight and Ulster, Leinster draws tomorrow.
With organised sport being able to resume in the north here from Friday will the GAA allow clubs to play games from this date? im sure county boards would love a chance to get played any outstanding games from last year that affect leagues/ championships for the coming season and im sure they'd like to get their seasons ball rolling for kids etc asap also, wonder when well see any clarification on this
Quote from: themac_23 on April 19, 2021, 08:44:36 AM
With organised sport being able to resume in the north here from Friday will the GAA allow clubs to play games from this date? im sure county boards would love a chance to get played any outstanding games from last year that affect leagues/ championships for the coming season and im sure they'd like to get their seasons ball rolling for kids etc asap also, wonder when well see any clarification on this
Either way I'm sure there'll be a couple of weeks of friendlies first. GAA need to get the finger out and announce something.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 19, 2021, 09:17:37 AM
Quote from: themac_23 on April 19, 2021, 08:44:36 AM
With organised sport being able to resume in the north here from Friday will the GAA allow clubs to play games from this date? im sure county boards would love a chance to get played any outstanding games from last year that affect leagues/ championships for the coming season and im sure they'd like to get their seasons ball rolling for kids etc asap also, wonder when well see any clarification on this
Either way I'm sure there'll be a couple of weeks of friendlies first. GAA need to get the finger out and announce something.
Yeah thats what I mean, like if the GAA say yeah as per the legislation the teams in the north can play matches again im sure county boards would be looking at getting competitive action going near end a may with clubs able to get a few challenge games in first, dont think anyone will want much longer, lads wanna just get back at it
Is it true that the 26 are due to open hairdressers etc... from the 4th of May? If this is the case then surely outdoor competitive sport will also be allowed to return as in the 6. If so, even if they persist with this all island approach we may only have another couple of weeks to wait.
Official announcement of May and June plans to come next week as far as I know.
Connacht draw.
Quarter final Mayo v Sligo
Semi finals
Mayo or Sligo v Leitrim
Roscommon v Galway
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 19, 2021, 06:52:24 PM
Connacht draw.
Quarter final Mayo v Sligo
Semi finals
Mayo or Sligo v Leitrim
Roscommon v Galway
With no backdoor I think when Leitrim, Sligo lads see that draw will they bother committing this year. A pasting from Mayo and division 4 football doesn't seem too appealing.
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Was it too hot to handle?
https://twitter.com/emlynmulligan/status/1384236725338198024?s=21
Quote from: weareros on April 19, 2021, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Was it too hot to handle?
https://twitter.com/emlynmulligan/status/1384236725338198024?s=21
A bit dodgy looking.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 19, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: weareros on April 19, 2021, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Was it too hot to handle?
https://twitter.com/emlynmulligan/status/1384236725338198024?s=21
A bit dodgy looking.
Emlyn mulligan, the fella who basically conceded a game live on a draw a few years ago.
Quote from: Itchy on April 19, 2021, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 19, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: weareros on April 19, 2021, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Was it too hot to handle?
https://twitter.com/emlynmulligan/status/1384236725338198024?s=21
A bit dodgy looking.
Emlyn mulligan, the fella who basically conceded a game live on a draw a few years ago.
Yeah, would have been far better served to have lied and bit his tongue!
Quote from: Itchy on April 19, 2021, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 19, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: weareros on April 19, 2021, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Was it too hot to handle?
https://twitter.com/emlynmulligan/status/1384236725338198024?s=21
A bit dodgy looking.
Emlyn mulligan, the fella who basically conceded a game live on a draw a few years ago.
Sorry, what's the relevance? Or did you just see the name and want to get a dig in?
Mayowestros well looked after in that dodgy draw!
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2021, 11:19:24 PM
Mayowestros well looked after in that dodgy draw!
That's for sure! :-[
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2021, 11:19:24 PM
Mayowestros well looked after in that dodgy draw!
??
Leinster football draw
First round
Offaly v Louth
Wicklow v Wexford
Carlow v Louth
Quarter-finals
Kildare v Offaly/Louth
Dublin v Wicklow/Wexford
Laois v Westmeath
Meath v Carlow/Longford
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Very dodgy looking alright.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 20, 2021, 08:08:37 AM
Leinster football draw
First round
Offaly v Louth
Wicklow v Wexford
Carlow v Louth
Quarter-finals
Kildare v Offaly/Louth
Dublin v Wicklow/Wexford
Laois v Westmeath
Meath v Carlow/Longford
Really is anyones this year.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 19, 2021, 11:11:29 PM
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Quote from: weareros on April 19, 2021, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Was it too hot to handle?
https://twitter.com/emlynmulligan/status/1384236725338198024?s=21
A bit dodgy looking.
Emlyn mulligan, the fella who basically conceded a game live on a draw a few years ago.
Yeah, would have been far better served to have lied and bit his tongue!
Yes he would, his team would have been better served. Maybe he'd have been better served to stay at home and let someone else go.
So if Emlyn had spouted some sh1tey clichés Leitrim could have bet Ros?
Won Connacht?
Or made absolutely no fkn difference?
Armagh v Antrim
Quote from: Rossfan on April 20, 2021, 04:29:36 PM
So if Emlyn had spouted some sh1tey clichés Leitrim could have bet Ros?
Won Connacht?
Or made absolutely no fkn difference?
Or stay at home if your bet before you even get on the field
Quote from: Itchy on April 20, 2021, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 19, 2021, 11:11:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 19, 2021, 11:09:52 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on April 19, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: weareros on April 19, 2021, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 19, 2021, 10:41:32 PM
Have any of you looked at the recording of the draw again , emlyn mulligan has tweeted it .
Was it too hot to handle?
https://twitter.com/emlynmulligan/status/1384236725338198024?s=21
A bit dodgy looking.
Emlyn mulligan, the fella who basically conceded a game live on a draw a few years ago.
Yeah, would have been far better served to have lied and bit his tongue!
Yes he would, his team would have been better served. Maybe he'd have been better served to stay at home and let someone else go.
So the reason Leitrim are unsuccessful is simply because of the attitude of players like Emlyn Mulligan?
As he's retired and his negativity won't be dragging down squad morale this year how far do you think Leitrim can go in the championship?
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 20, 2021, 07:26:06 PM
Ulster SFC 2021
Prelim.
Down vs. Donegal
Quarter Finals
Down or Donegal vs. Derry
Armagh vs. Antrim
Monaghan vs. Fermanagh
Tyrone vs. Cavan
Semi Finals
Down/Donegal/Derry vs. Armagh/Antrim
Monaghan/Fermanagh vs. Tyrone/Cavan
Not according to this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezb5kqpXIAAesh5?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Very good chance here that Cavan shit the bed and lose by 10+ points in their first game out.
Quote from: greatpoint on April 20, 2021, 09:46:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Very good chance here that Cavan shit the bed and lose by 10+ points in their first game out.
I don't know about that. Celebrations on winning Ulster were muted being in a Covid year. They have a proven Manager.
There will be no pressure of a big crowd turning up.
Tyrones new management team will be under a bit more pressure to get their debut season off to a good start.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 20, 2021, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on April 20, 2021, 09:46:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Very good chance here that Cavan shit the bed and lose by 10+ points in their first game out.
I don't know about that. Celebrations on winning Ulster were muted being in a Covid year. They have a proven Manager.
There will be no pressure of a big crowd turning up.
Tyrones new management team will be under a bit more pressure to get their debut season off to a good start.
When was the last time Cavan beat Tyrone in the Championship?
Armagh for the Ulster final!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 20, 2021, 09:56:28 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on April 20, 2021, 09:46:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Very good chance here that Cavan shit the bed and lose by 10+ points in their first game out.
I don't know about that. Celebrations on winning Ulster were muted being in a Covid year. They have a proven Manager.
There will be no pressure of a big crowd turning up.
Tyrones new management team will be under a bit more pressure to get their debut season off to a good start.
I dont think we will lose by 10 points. Donegal are a better team than Tyrone and we beat them despite being totally rode by a ref. I dont think there will be much in it either way.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Wouldn't be sure about that. Need to beat the best. Cavan haven't beat Tyrone in championship since 83, but never a better time to finally do it with confidence as reigning champions, and Tyrone slightly in transition and didn't get many games last year. Cavan have beaten every other team in Ulster, so why not Tyrone? No fear at this stage after what we did last year...
Dublin 4/6
Kerry 10/3
Mayo 10/1
Galway 16/1
Tyrone 16/1
Donegal 16/1
Cork 40/1
Monaghan 50/1
Armagh 80/1
Meath 80/1
Roscommon 150/1
Kildare 200/1
Cavan 200/1
Tipperary 250/1
Laois 500/1
Down 500/1
Derry 500/1
Westmeath 500/1
Fermanagh 1000/1
Offaly 1000/1
Clare 1000/1
Longford 2000/1
Louth 2000/1
Limerick 2000/1
Antrim 2000/1
Sligo 2000/1
Leitrim 2000/1
Waterford 5000/1
Carlow 5000/1
Wexford 5000/1
Wicklow 5000/1
Paddypower odds to lift Sam
Tyrone 2/1
Donegal 9/4
Monaghan 4/1
Armagh 5/1
Cavan 14/1
Down 20/1
Derry 25/1
Fermanagh 100/1
Antrim 250/1
Ulster odds
Mayo 4/6
Galway 13/8
Roscommon 7/1
Leitrim 150/1
Sligo 150/1
Kerry 1/4
Cork 10/3
Tipperary 14/1
Limerick 50/1
Clare 66/1
Waterford 500/1
Dublin 1/25
Meath 14/1
Kildare 20/1
Laois 100/1
Westmeath 100/1
Longford 250/1
Offaly 250/1
Louth 250/1
Carlow 500/1
Wicklow 500/1
Wexford 500/1
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2021, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Wouldn't be sure about that. Need to beat the best. Cavan haven't beat Tyrone in championship since 83, but never a better time to finally do it with confidence as reigning champions, and Tyrone slightly in transition and didn't get many games last year. Cavan have beaten every other team in Ulster, so why not Tyrone? No fear at this stage after what we did last year...
I don't think anyone is saying that Tyrone are the best of anything, just that Cavan are incapable of beating them.
@twohands
Possible value odds?
All Ireland - Tyrone or Donegal at 16/1 will avoid Dublin until the final if they win Ulster.
Ulster - Monaghan might have a point to prove after last years poor championship, have the big addition of Buckley on board and have avoided Tyrone, Donegal until the Ulster final.
Connacht - Roscommon, a tough draw but they have won 2 of the last 4 Connacht titles and if they beat Galway they'll have momentum going into the final
Munster - great to see a underdog in Tipp winning it last year but I can't see history repeating itself while Leinster is a formality.
Aidan O'Shea got a bad injury?
Quote from: macker15 on April 21, 2021, 07:51:04 PM
Aidan O'Shea got a bad injury?
Knee injury in training.
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/36750-mayo-captain-suffers-knee-injury
Quote from: greatpoint on April 21, 2021, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on April 21, 2021, 09:29:27 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Wouldn't be sure about that. Need to beat the best. Cavan haven't beat Tyrone in championship since 83, but never a better time to finally do it with confidence as reigning champions, and Tyrone slightly in transition and didn't get many games last year. Cavan have beaten every other team in Ulster, so why not Tyrone? No fear at this stage after what we did last year...
I don't think anyone is saying that Tyrone are the best of anything, just that Cavan are incapable of beating them.
And didn't they say the same about playing Donegal last year? Look Cavan are a decent team, it will be tough, but hardly incapable of beating them
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 21, 2021, 07:10:05 PM
@twohands
Possible value odds?
All Ireland - Tyrone or Donegal at 16/1 will avoid Dublin until the final if they win Ulster.
Ulster - Monaghan might have a point to prove after last years poor championship, have the big addition of Buckley on board and have avoided Tyrone, Donegal until the Ulster final.
Connacht - Roscommon, a tough draw but they have won 2 of the last 4 Connacht titles and if they beat Galway they'll have momentum going into the final
Munster - great to see a underdog in Tipp winning it last year but I can't see history repeating itself while Leinster is a formality.
Wouldn't be tempted by anything yet even as a very small stakes punter - far too much uncertainty as of yet - I'll be waiting until after the league before having any championship punts and even then I don't think there's any point opposing Dublin. Gun to my head if I had to pick between Donegal and Tyrone, I think I'd be favouring Tyrone to win Ulster this year but neither of them look like value at 16/1 to win Sam. If there were double that, I might have a small flutter. 10/3 for Kerry looks bonkers. If they do win it, it will be in spite of Keane who looks tactically out of his depth at senior level. Maybe Roscommon in Connacht but will depend on what they, Mayo and Galway look like in the league and would fall into the speculative small stakes category. Would be far more likely to wait and back them in running after 5/10 minutes on the day.
I mainly posted just to see what the bookies think the state of play is.
Mayo the value , only have to beat Dublin in semi to win the all Ireland, rest of them not near Mayo sheer talent coming to the fore . Oisin is the best prospect in the country , Clifford wouldnt get a kick away off him .
Quote from: larryin89 on April 22, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Mayo the value , only have to beat Dublin in semi to win the all Ireland, rest of them not near Mayo sheer talent coming to the fore . Oisin is the best prospect in the country , Clifford wouldnt get a kick away off him .
Only way Mayo are going to go in the next few years is backwards.
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 22, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Mayo the value , only have to beat Dublin in semi to win the all Ireland, rest of them not near Mayo sheer talent coming to the fore . Oisin is the best prospect in the country , Clifford wouldnt get a kick away off him .
Only way Mayo are going to go in the next few years is backwards.
We'll hit a plateau, a bit like Donegal, Tyrone and Kerry have the last couple of years. We won't be great and we won't be totally sh1te! In a similar vain our support will follow a similar curve.
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 22, 2021, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 22, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Mayo the value , only have to beat Dublin in semi to win the all Ireland, rest of them not near Mayo sheer talent coming to the fore . Oisin is the best prospect in the country , Clifford wouldnt get a kick away off him .
Only way Mayo are going to go in the next few years is backwards.
We'll hit a plateau, a bit like Donegal, Tyrone and Kerry have the last couple of years. We won't be great and we won't be totally sh1te! In a similar vain our support will follow a similar curve.
Wasn't implying ye would be shite. Still a top 6 or maybe 4 team. I just think ye will fall further behind Dubs, not close the gap.
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 22, 2021, 10:22:20 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 22, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Mayo the value , only have to beat Dublin in semi to win the all Ireland, rest of them not near Mayo sheer talent coming to the fore . Oisin is the best prospect in the country , Clifford wouldnt get a kick away off him .
Only way Mayo are going to go in the next few years is backwards.
We'll hit a plateau, a bit like Donegal, Tyrone and Kerry have the last couple of years. We won't be great and we won't be totally sh1te! In a similar vain our support will follow a similar curve.
Wasn't implying ye would be shite. Still a top 6 or maybe 4 team. I just think ye will fall further behind Dubs, not close the gap.
I was agreeing with you! Mayo by default won't be sh1te, but we have been in decline since 2017 - which is 4 years. Last year was a sort of false dawn, the journey to the AI final lied about where we really are.
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 22, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Mayo the value , only have to beat Dublin in semi to win the all Ireland, rest of them not near Mayo sheer talent coming to the fore . Oisin is the best prospect in the country , Clifford wouldnt get a kick away off him .
Only way Mayo are going to go in the next few years is backwards.
Doubt it, they train and prepare in 'professional' manner and won't be without the cash to keep that ticking over. Horan has plenty convinced this is a new team in reality the core of the team is filled with experience which is ideal situation to bed in new players.
Quote from: Itchy on April 22, 2021, 10:14:11 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on April 22, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Mayo the value , only have to beat Dublin in semi to win the all Ireland, rest of them not near Mayo sheer talent coming to the fore . Oisin is the best prospect in the country , Clifford wouldnt get a kick away off him .
Only way Mayo are going to go in the next few years is backwards.
Tbh I was just tongue n cheek commenting but as a matter of interest how could someone from outside of Mayo possibly forecast with great certainty that next few years would be backwards ?
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 23, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Ulster SFC Provisional Dates
Sat 26/Sun 27 June
1st Round
Down vs. Donegal @ Pairc Esler
Sat 3/Sun 4 July
Quarter Finals
Armagh vs. Antrim @ Athletic Grounds
Monaghan vs. Fermanagh @ St. Tiernach's Park, Clones
Sat 10/Sun 11 July
Quarter Finals
Tyrone vs. Cavan @ Healy Park
Derry vs. Down/Donegal @ Celtic Park or Pairc MacCumhall, Ballybofey
Sat 17 July
Semi-Final
Armagh/Antrim vs. Monaghan/Fermanagh
Sun 18 July
Semi-Final
Tyrone/Cavan vs. Down/Donegal/Derry
Sun 1 Aug
Final
A very lopsided Ulster draw you'd have to say.
Would you put Armagh or Monaghan as favourites on the other side of the draw to make the final? I'd be more leaning toward Armagh myself.
Monaghan surely, they were beaten by a good Cavan team last year and that was in an epic. I don't think they'll be too happy about last year, so some wrongs to be righted down in Monaghan.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on April 26, 2021, 12:59:09 PM
Monaghan surely, they were beaten by a good Cavan team last year and that was in an epic. I don't think they'll be too happy about last year, so some wrongs to be righted down in Monaghan.
Monaghan are an aging team though. Key players like Wylie, Hughes, McManus, Walshe and O'Connell are all on the wrong side of 30 now.
True enough, but being another odd year, Ulster being what it is, a single bounce of the ball going their way last year v Cavan or the Keeper pulling off that monster kick history was changed.
I'd have Monaghan beating Fermanagh handy enough (in the end), they have a few off the panel....Armagh should get rid of Antrim. You just don't know what Armagh will show is why I'm going for Monaghan.
Monaghan will be well fit for them physically and always are a tough team, so I'll back that over Armagh when you just don't know what they'll do. Although, Ulster is never straight forward....
Quote from: Angelo on April 26, 2021, 12:35:36 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on April 23, 2021, 07:02:10 PM
Ulster SFC Provisional Dates
Sat 26/Sun 27 June
1st Round
Down vs. Donegal @ Pairc Esler
Sat 3/Sun 4 July
Quarter Finals
Armagh vs. Antrim @ Athletic Grounds
Monaghan vs. Fermanagh @ St. Tiernach's Park, Clones
Sat 10/Sun 11 July
Quarter Finals
Tyrone vs. Cavan @ Healy Park
Derry vs. Down/Donegal @ Celtic Park or Pairc MacCumhall, Ballybofey
Sat 17 July
Semi-Final
Armagh/Antrim vs. Monaghan/Fermanagh
Sun 18 July
Semi-Final
Tyrone/Cavan vs. Down/Donegal/Derry
Sun 1 Aug
Final
A very lopsided Ulster draw you'd have to say.
Would you put Armagh or Monaghan as favourites on the other side of the draw to make the final? I'd be more leaning toward Armagh myself.
Last three champions all on the one side. Whoever gets through will have seriously earned it.
Down will be fancying their chances of knocking us and our aging defense out on our arses in Newry too.
Great to see Derry entering a team. Wouldn't have blamed them if they hadn't.
Quote from: trailer on April 27, 2021, 04:06:15 PM
Great to see Derry entering a team. Wouldn't have blamed them if they hadn't.
In fairness you could say that about most teams under the current knock out system.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40276235.html
Quote from: Rossfan on April 28, 2021, 11:18:49 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40276235.html
Only way around that is to allow supporters back to games. Minister for sport Jack chambers said last night on the tonight show they will have test events this summer, with the use antigen testing of sports crowds.
Will players skip their vaccines during Championship?
If you were 3/4 days away from a big knockout game I can imagine players would be a bit worried about the immediate side effects of the vaccines?
Or do we think panels will be sorted out pre Championship on the quiet by the team doctor?
The dates, times and venues for the upcoming Connacht Senior Football Championship have been confirmed.
Quarter Final
Saturday 26th June at 4.30pm
Sligo v Mayo - Markievicz Park
Semi Finals
Sunday 4th July 2pm
Roscommon v Galway - Dr Hyde Park
Sunday 11th July 2pm
Leitrim v Mayo/Sligo - Páirc Sean/MacHale Park
Final:
Sunday 25th July at 1.15pm.
Quote from: greatpoint on April 20, 2021, 09:46:55 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 20, 2021, 07:31:48 PM
I'd say thats one draw defending champions Cavan didn't want.
Very good chance here that Cavan shit the bed and lose by 10+ points in their first game out.
They only lost by 8 in the end.