Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Itchy]

Good graphic posted on Slugger

False equivalence if you ask me. The one on the left is accurate.

[armaghniac]

False equivalence if you ask me. The one on the left is accurate.

Unfortunately, they are both accurate in general.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Good graphic posted on Slugger

only for the pig ignorant.

hardly surprising coming from a poster that recently said Hamas were evil but 'the question has been whether the Israelis are much the same'..

this despite to name a few,  the nakba where 750k were mass displaced and dispossessed and thousands killed never to return as per their legal right of return. Operation cast lead, protective edge, the thousand murdered and maimed on the great march, the thousands of illegal settlements, murders, displacements in the West Bank, Israel also enable Hamas to rise to split the palestinans...

the graphic is a piece of garbage.

[seafoid]

False equivalence if you ask me. The one on the left is accurate.

Unfortunately, they are both accurate in general.

Explain that with your reasoning , please.

[seafoid]

The Israelis closed the borders . I read somewhere that there were 7000 trucks waiting on the Egypt side  . Israel neutralised UNRWA,  the organisation that distribute food, runs schools etc  . Biden introduced WCK as a replacement and Israel hit their convoy surgically 3 times.Israel is the heart of darkness.

IDF made a terrible mistake it seems.

That mistake was killing three Brits, a Yank and an Aussie.

30,000 Palestinian men, woman and children was OK though.

Western morals in a nutshell.

Western leaders have been out of touch with public opinion for several months. 
Israel considers the Palestinians to be vermin . Western publics do not. Western leaders have been trying to talk sense to Israel. Israel killed the WCK workers because it doesn't care .  Israel has been posting its atrocities on the internet.

The flour massacre
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1763238960770195819

We are looking for babies but there is no babies left

https://t.co/fFGM2YEAfs

The Israelis used her as bait, they set them up
https://twitter.com/mockgoose/status/1760346054258463055

I am personally proud of the ruins of Gaza
https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1760372482983567558


Bouncy castle other side of wall to prevent trucks of humanitarian aid from entering Gaza.
https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1761147220164845777

Israel is beyond salvation at this stage. It will have to be deradicalised.

[From the Bunker]

Western leaders have been out of touch with public opinion for several months. 

Western Leaders have been out of touch for several years.

[Itchy]

False equivalence if you ask me. The one on the left is accurate.

Unfortunately, they are both accurate in general.

Nope that's lazy pure shite. The old "they are as bad as each other" narrative which indirectly excuses Israels barbarity.

[seafoid]

Western leaders have been out of touch with public opinion for several months. 

Western Leaders have been out of touch for several years.

I see your years and I'll raise your decades.
Israel is pure evil. It has helped me to understand what Cromwell in Ireland must have been like.

[dec]

Good graphic posted on Slugger

only for the pig ignorant.

hardly surprising coming from a poster that recently said Hamas were evil but 'the question has been whether the Israelis are much the same'..

this despite to name a few,  the nakba where 750k were mass displaced and dispossessed and thousands killed never to return as per their legal right of return. Operation cast lead, protective edge, the thousand murdered and maimed on the great march, the thousands of illegal settlements, murders, displacements in the West Bank, Israel also enable Hamas to rise to split the palestinans...

the graphic is a piece of garbage.

The graphic is from The Onion

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Good graphic posted on Slugger

only for the pig ignorant.

hardly surprising coming from a poster that recently said Hamas were evil but 'the question has been whether the Israelis are much the same'..

this despite to name a few,  the nakba where 750k were mass displaced and dispossessed and thousands killed never to return as per their legal right of return. Operation cast lead, protective edge, the thousand murdered and maimed on the great march, the thousands of illegal settlements, murders, displacements in the West Bank, Israel also enable Hamas to rise to split the palestinans...

the graphic is a piece of garbage.

The graphic is from The Onion

the graphic is a piece of garbage a joke!

[armaghniac]

only for the pig ignorant.

hardly surprising coming from a poster that recently said Hamas were evil but 'the question has been whether the Israelis are much the same'..

this despite to name a few,  the nakba where 750k were mass displaced and dispossessed and thousands killed never to return as per their legal right of return. Operation cast lead, protective edge, the thousand murdered and maimed on the great march, the thousands of illegal settlements, murders, displacements in the West Bank, Israel also enable Hamas to rise to split the palestinans...

the graphic is a piece of garbage.

The graphic above does not excuse the Israelis, so what you say above does not counter render it inappropriate.
There is no doubt that US arms has provided greater capability to the Israelis, hence the above.

Presumably, you believe that the right hand side does not apply to Palestinians, and you can show why it doesn't rather than just making comments about the poster.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

you are one excusing Israel, the graphic has been shown to be a joke!

also my points are about your comment about weather the Israelis are the same, not the graphic.

the graphic says the palestinan but I  just looked at a few pieces from Hamas who you consider evil, in their charter state the following points

[1] Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage

2. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. It provides an umbrella for the followers of other creeds and religions who can practice their beliefs in security and safety.

3. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine.

4. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

5. Hamas believes in, and adheres to, managing its Palestinian relations on the basis of pluralism, democracy, national partnership, acceptance of the other and the adoption of dialogue. The aim is to bolster the unity of ranks and joint action for the purpose of accomplishing national goals and fulfilling the aspirations of the Palestinian people.

In 2015 they offered a 15 year ceasefire... Fatah would have similar opinions but work closely with the Israelis which only cements the unjust status quo.

[JoG2]

only for the pig ignorant.

hardly surprising coming from a poster that recently said Hamas were evil but 'the question has been whether the Israelis are much the same'..

this despite to name a few,  the nakba where 750k were mass displaced and dispossessed and thousands killed never to return as per their legal right of return. Operation cast lead, protective edge, the thousand murdered and maimed on the great march, the thousands of illegal settlements, murders, displacements in the West Bank, Israel also enable Hamas to rise to split the palestinans...

the graphic is a piece of garbage.

The graphic above does not excuse the Israelis, so what you say above does not counter render it inappropriate.
There is no doubt that US arms has provided greater capability to the Israelis, hence the above.

Presumably, you believe that the right hand side does not apply to Palestinians, and you can show why it doesn't rather than just making comments about the poster.

I'd say less than 1% of Irish people share your beliefs and thoughts on the genocide of Palestine.. Wonder what shaped your views?

[armaghniac]

you are one excusing Israel, the graphic has been shown to be a joke!

also my points are about your comment about weather the Israelis are the same, not the graphic.

the graphic says the palestinan but I  just looked at a few pieces from Hamas who you consider evil, in their charter state the following points

[1] Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage

2. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. It provides an umbrella for the followers of other creeds and religions who can practice their beliefs in security and safety.

3. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine.

4. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

5. Hamas believes in, and adheres to, managing its Palestinian relations on the basis of pluralism, democracy, national partnership, acceptance of the other and the adoption of dialogue. The aim is to bolster the unity of ranks and joint action for the purpose of accomplishing national goals and fulfilling the aspirations of the Palestinian people.

In 2015 they offered a 15 year ceasefire... Fatah would have similar opinions but work closely with the Israelis which only cements the unjust status quo.

That's a fair response, However, you have often pointed out that Israel say one thing and do another. Hamas says one thing, but their actions suggest otherwise. There are anti Netanyahu protests in Isreal at present, I suspect there never been possibility of an anti Hamas protest and since they took power there has been a notable lack of an election which might allow the population give a view on their performance. If they persecute Fatah voters in Gaza, one suspects that they might not be kind to Jewish people.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

you are one excusing Israel, the graphic has been shown to be a joke!

also my points are about your comment about weather the Israelis are the same, not the graphic.

the graphic says the palestinan but I  just looked at a few pieces from Hamas who you consider evil, in their charter state the following points

[1] Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage

2. Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance. It provides an umbrella for the followers of other creeds and religions who can practice their beliefs in security and safety.

3. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine.

4. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

5. Hamas believes in, and adheres to, managing its Palestinian relations on the basis of pluralism, democracy, national partnership, acceptance of the other and the adoption of dialogue. The aim is to bolster the unity of ranks and joint action for the purpose of accomplishing national goals and fulfilling the aspirations of the Palestinian people.

In 2015 they offered a 15 year ceasefire... Fatah would have similar opinions but work closely with the Israelis which only cements the unjust status quo.

That's a fair response, However, you have often pointed out that Israel say one thing and do another. Hamas says one thing, but their actions suggest otherwise. There are anti Netanyahu protests in Isreal at present, I suspect there never been possibility of an anti Hamas protest and since they took power there has been a notable lack of an election which might allow the population give a view on their performance. If they persecute Fatah voters in Gaza, one suspects that they might not be kind to Jewish people.

Hamas has allowed Fatah protest and rallies in Gaza so what you suspect is wrong.

There has also been a lack of elections in the west bank and the reason is not solely on Hamas or Fatah as Israel has also being an obstacle... Hamas won elections in 06 but only democracy that the US/Uk/Eu like gets recognoised, so they tried to get rid of them.

Yes, I doubt very much they like Israelis and especially zionists after 75 years of occupation but that does lead to the points outlined in the graphic.

There is only one side committing a genocide, occupying, expanding settlements, creating an apartheid system and its not the Palestinians.

regarding the anti Netanyahu protests, they are regularly broken up by the the police.