Time to beat the dubs.,
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Did you actually think before you posted that rot?
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone beat Dublin and lose to Donegal (4 points)
Donegal beat Rossies (4 points)
Dublin beat Rossies (4 points)
So it'll come down to score difference. Technically, a win for Tyrone guarantees nothing.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone win next week & Donegal win in Roscommon & Ballybofey they will each have 4 points & Dublin beat Roscommon then Dublin Tyrone & Donegal will all be on 4 points.
How is anyone guaranteed a place in the semi final if all three are on 4 points?
Yes I was wondering how this works. If three teams all have 4 points and they have all won a head to head against each other, is it simply scoring diffeence overall?
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone win next week & Donegal win in Roscommon & Ballybofey they will each have 4 points & Dublin beat Roscommon then Dublin Tyrone & Donegal will all be on 4 points.
How is anyone guaranteed a place in the semi final if all three are on 4 points?
OK, now do you see how nonsensical your first post was, given the sequential nature of this series of games?
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone win next week & Donegal win in Roscommon & Ballybofey they will each have 4 points & Dublin beat Roscommon then Dublin Tyrone & Donegal will all be on 4 points.
How is anyone guaranteed a place in the semi final if all three are on 4 points?
This is too much for a Sunday morning. My head hurts.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 15, 2018, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone win next week & Donegal win in Roscommon & Ballybofey they will each have 4 points & Dublin beat Roscommon then Dublin Tyrone & Donegal will all be on 4 points.
How is anyone guaranteed a place in the semi final if all three are on 4 points?
OK, now do you see how nonsensical your first post was, given the sequential nature of this series of games?
My response was to the title of the thread not to the post.
Quote from: Rois on July 15, 2018, 10:11:36 AM
Yes I was wondering how this works. If three teams all have 4 points and they have all won a head to head against each other, is it simply scoring diffeence overall?
Yes
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 10:17:18 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone win next week & Donegal win in Roscommon & Ballybofey they will each have 4 points & Dublin beat Roscommon then Dublin Tyrone & Donegal will all be on 4 points.
How is anyone guaranteed a place in the semi final if all three are on 4 points?
This is too much for a Sunday morning. My head hurts.
Are Donegal likely to beat Roscommon by more than 18 points at the Hyde?
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 15, 2018, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 10:10:27 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone win next week & Donegal win in Roscommon & Ballybofey they will each have 4 points & Dublin beat Roscommon then Dublin Tyrone & Donegal will all be on 4 points.
How is anyone guaranteed a place in the semi final if all three are on 4 points?
OK, now do you see how nonsensical your first post was, given the sequential nature of this series of games?
My response was to the title of the thread not to the post.
Which is not how this actually works, though does explain it! :D
Dublin's press yesterday certainly appeared to spook Patton yesterday. I was thinking what could you do to counteract it. This might be balls but trying to think outside the box.
If Tyrone found themselves under the cosh could they not pull at least 9 players inside our own 30m line. Dub markers would have to tag a man. If they don't we've a short kick out available. We leave three (ball winners) men 10 yards inside the Dublin half and two men on Dub 30m line. Keeper absolutely wellies it to three catchers and we compete.
Ideally, a clean catch is won or ball broken towards the Dublin goal and our FF line. As soon as ball is kicked the defending 9 players move out the field into the 'blanket' position to defend if Dublin win the lockout.
Thoughts?
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 15, 2018, 01:00:09 PM
Dublin's press yesterday certainly appeared to spook Patton yesterday. I was thinking what could you do to counteract it. This might be balls but trying to think outside the box.
If Tyrone found themselves under the cosh could they not pull at least 9 players inside our own 30m line. Dub markers would have to tag a man. If they don't we've a short kick out available. We leave three (ball winners) men 10 yards inside the Dublin half and two men on Dub 30m line. Keeper absolutely wellies it to three catchers and we compete.
Ideally, a clean catch is won or ball broken towards the Dublin goal and our FF line. As soon as ball is kicked the defending 9 players move out the field into the 'blanket' position to defend if Dublin win the lockout.
Thoughts?
Did Donegal not do something similar to this a few years ago. Pinged the kick out over midfield where it was flicked on to one of the McHughs?
Are tickets on sale to public or through the clubs?
Quote from: redzone on July 15, 2018, 01:18:01 PM
Are tickets on sale to public or through the clubs?
i heard 13,000 ticket split between Tyrone and Dublin 6500 each, 4000 going to Players/sponsors/county boards... 2500 split between 50 odd clubs in our case....
Capacity is 25000 on wiki, I'd say closer to 20000. Clubs need to be getting a few more than that to meet demand
Quote from: redzone on July 15, 2018, 01:43:25 PM
Capacity is 25000 on wiki, I'd say closer to 20000. Clubs need to be getting a few more than that to meet demand
Health and safety capacity 16.500 roughly minus season tickets
Season tickets are standing as well.
Tyrone have come in from 14/1 to 9/1 after the win yesterday and today's results. Still 4th favourite behind Kerry and Galway at 6/1 each. All three times probably could be priced better at this stage. Sure Tyrone looked good but the same questions remain. We've played 1 division 1 team this year and they beat us.
I'm upbeat but cautious with it.
Dublin will win by 12+
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on July 15, 2018, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 15, 2018, 09:42:05 AM
Quote from: inthrough on July 15, 2018, 09:20:41 AM
Not if Donegal beat Roscommon & Tyrone it isn't
Whoever wins next week is guaranteed at least second place and passage through to the semi final.
If Tyrone beat Dublin and lose to Donegal (4 points)
Donegal beat Rossies (4 points)
Dublin beat Rossies (4 points)
So it'll come down to score difference. Technically, a win for Tyrone guarantees nothing.
It's hilarious that this had to be explained
Is there any word of general sale at all?
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Dublin will win by 12+
No chance, Tyrone have momentum now, putting up big scores, will be tight and nibbly game.
Believe.
I'm probably deluded, but I believe.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 16, 2018, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on July 15, 2018, 09:41:11 PM
Dublin will win by 12+
No chance, Tyrone have momentum now, putting up big scores, will be tight and nibbly game.
???
Quote from: trailer on July 16, 2018, 09:59:34 AM
Believe.
I'm probably deluded, but I believe.
It tends to happen during the month of July
A FRED process
Fast rise. Exponential decay
Nibbly.
1.Suitable to nibble.
2.Prone to, or suitable for, nibbling.
;)
Sure it is after all Tyrone.
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It is going to be a crazy week.
I presume Mickey will be keeping the players away from local radio and social meeja. He has to.
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
It is going to be a crazy week.
I presume Mickey will be keeping the players away from local radio and social meeja. He has to.
Is this going to be another Tyrone thread punctuated with tedious nonsense?
Quote from: Nameless on July 16, 2018, 10:36:09 AM
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Think he was just saying hello to him , with his gumshield in. Don't go back there.
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Tickets now available online for the terrace
Quote from: Rois on July 16, 2018, 11:29:37 AM
Tickets now available online for the terrace
Seem to be sold out now.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 16, 2018, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Rois on July 16, 2018, 11:29:37 AM
Tickets now available online for the terrace
Seem to be sold out now.
Looks to be more an issue with their website as the same 'crash' screen appearing for all matches this weekend.
Season ticket holders.........do we just present our cards or do we need to 'book' and print online?
How much are tickets for this?
Quote from: The Bearded One on July 16, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
Season ticket holders.........do we just present our cards or do we need to 'book' and print online?
You should have got an email - here's the relevant bit
"Due to a limited stand capacity, we are unable to accommodate all Season Ticket holders in the stand at Healy Park.
Season Ticket holders will therefore be accommodated on the Terrace and will simply be required to present their GAA Season Ticket card for scanning at the designated Terrace Turnstiles on the day."
What isnt clear from that is if season ticket holders will be allowed into the stand at all (i.e. if you go early enough and there is room).
Anyway aside from that would someone local please post some advice regarding parking, good watering holes etc
Tickets working again now. Price £18 each adult. Plus 1.95 postage for the online ones.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 16, 2018, 10:42:48 AM
Quote from: seafoid on July 16, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
It is going to be a crazy week.
I presume Mickey will be keeping the players away from local radio and social meeja. He has to.
Is this going to be another Tyrone thread punctuated with tedious nonsense?
It depends on your fellow county men. There are some fine chestnuts emerging after Tyrone beat a team that was in d2 as recently as last February.
Website keeps saying available then no tickets once you try to book.
Tickets seem to be sold out, talk of a fan zone to be set up in Omagh.
If anyone fancies some pre-match build-up...
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/gaa-hour-coming-cookstown-tyrone-dublin-preview-168420
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on July 16, 2018, 05:35:34 PM
If anyone fancies some pre-match build-up...
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/gaa-hour-coming-cookstown-tyrone-dublin-preview-168420
The one they did in Letterkenny before the Ulster Final was good crack.
David Coldrick down to ref this.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2018, 06:46:51 PM
David Coldrick down to ref this.
Reffed the game last year between us. To the very best of my memory he did very little wrong that day apart from maybe not send off Cavanagh for that high boot. I know in my musing elsewhere about the game in the aftermath I didn't mention him much so he can't have been too bad.
To be fair, the wind was taken out of that game early doors so was a pretty easy game to ref for the remainder. I can see it being fiesty enough For the first while.
Quote from: Jayop on July 16, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2018, 06:46:51 PM
David Coldrick down to ref this.
Reffed the game last year between us. To the very best of my memory he did very little wrong that day apart from maybe not send off Cavanagh for that high boot. I know in my musing elsewhere about the game in the aftermath I didn't mention him much so he can't have been too bad.
Mickey blamed him for the loss - said he got in the way of a hand pass for Con O'C goal! :D
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2018, 06:53:47 PM
To be fair, the wind was taken out of that game early doors so was a pretty easy game to ref for the remainder. I can see it being fiesty enough For the first while.
Just found that post I made last year on boards after the game and I think it's pretty accurate.
QuoteUgh. Ah well absolutely battered by a vastly superior team. I never really believed we'd win it but I was fairly positive we'd give them a game. The goal from an awful mistake was so significant to the game. We needed to be close and that killed it. After that we just made mistake after mistake and bad decisions. So many scorable chances badly missed while Dublin barely missed a shot all day.
As for the tactics, they were nothing like what we played all year. In defense largely down to how Dublin play we couldn't put a glove on them to tackle or pressurize and in attack we didn't run any of the lines that made us score so much before. Every carrier was isolated and the amount of times we bounced the ball into contact drove me crazy.
We switched up a lot in the second half, went two up then three and then almost man to man. Too little to late. I actually thought we played OK in the second half but missed everything. Dublin could have had another couple of goals too though.
All in all its a sobering enough day. It seems that there's a top 3 out on their own, then a big gap to us then a big gap to the rest. Whether we can close that gap before the rest close to us is hard to know. That game will be scaring for a lot of the young lads.
We just froze last year like rabbits in the head lights. Didn't pressurize the ball nearly enough in defense to force the turnovers that we live from and when we did turn the ball over rather than going running with 4/5 men like we've done in every game before that and every game since we went with 2/3 and made it so easy for Dublin to stop our running game. Again, like the Mayo game the year before when the pressure was on we simply couldn't convert our scoring chances which we still somehow managed to create. Even missed the pen at the death.
All of those things will need to be put right. If Dublin are leaving men up not following our half backs then we just have to back ourselves to either kick the score or kick it wide then feed back.
Are us Tyronies falling into the trap of believing our own hype? I at the moment can't see anything except a Tyrone win at this stage on Saturday night. I don't know where the optimism is coming from but its there.
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 16, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
Are us Tyronies falling into the trap of believing our own hype? I at the moment can't see anything except a Tyrone win at this stage on Saturday night. I don't know where the optimism is coming from but its there.
Maybe a few are but I guess after last year I'm hopefully but for from convinced we'll win. Would still have Dubs as favourites.
You Believed last year and look what happened you. reality is you played one division 1 team so far in the championship and they beat you, why will this weekend be any different? Are Tyrone better up front than last year, probably yes, are Dublin as strong, probably no, only a few games ago Meath had you all but beat, and this Dublin team would have made mince meat of them. Is Tyrone record in Omagh not that hot?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2018, 07:58:11 PM
You Believed last year and look what happened you. reality is you played one division 1 team so far in the championship and they beat you, why will this weekend be any different? Are Tyrone better up front than last year, probably yes, are Dublin as strong, probably no, only a few games ago Meath had you all but beat, and this Dublin team would have made mince meat of them. Is Tyrone record in Omagh not that hot?
Yep and I think if you maybe read 3 posts back you would see that's exactly what i said and what the majority of the Tyrone posters here seem to be saying.
I will say you mentioned the Monaghan and Meath games. I will excuse those a little in saying that our most important player was badly off the pace as was Mccann given they were coming back from injuries. We were starting with yet another new system forced upon us by players being injured and that's Donnelly in the FF line. That has been a work in progress throughout the qualifiers and has really started to pay off.
I think we're a little better than last year and on the basis of what I saw on Saturday I think Dublin are a little worse, but Dublin still have gears to go through so we don't know how close to their best they can get and likewise with Tyrone we've racked up big scores but against teams that gave up after about 25 minutes.
Finally, no Omagh sure isn't a fortress but I'd still give us more chance of winning there than in Croker against you.
Quote from: WT4E on July 16, 2018, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 16, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 16, 2018, 06:46:51 PM
David Coldrick down to ref this.
Reffed the game last year between us. To the very best of my memory he did very little wrong that day apart from maybe not send off Cavanagh for that high boot. I know in my musing elsewhere about the game in the aftermath I didn't mention him much so he can't have been too bad.
Mickey blamed him for the loss - said he got in the way of a hand pass for Con O'C goal! :D
Cant believe Sludden didnt get hooked the last day, not an honest broker for the first goal, shuda been touch tight on their CHB or better still inside the Tyrone 45 when Ros gave the ball away, how anyone tolerates this peacockery is beyond me. There should be mandatory transfer to Ardboe so can play in the FF line alongside Kyle Coney for anyone who steps this far out of line.
Jim Gavin very unhappy with Dublin's performance against Donegal. I expect to see Dublin players playing for places against Tyrone & a five point win.
Masterstroke by Declan Bonner ;D ;D ;D
I'm curious who the neutrals and anti Tyrone /puke football fans want to win on Saturday.
There seems to be an almost total U turn in the media and in people's attitude about where Tyrone are at.
Last week the focus was on how Monaghan beat us at a canter and how Meath nearly knocked us out. We've no star forwards like Dublin, Kerry or Donegal have yet suddenly after two huge score lines against two 2nd rate teams we are in with a shout again at home to the best team ever.
It's almost England like in the world Cup.
I just hope the home fans play their part on Sat and create a hostile atmosphere for the Dubs.
As you can imagine for us Tyrone fans living in Dublin this is a huge match that I never thought I'd see happening. Dubs in Omagh in July. Crazy stuff 🧐
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 16, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
Are us Tyronies falling into the trap of believing our own hype? I at the moment can't see anything except a Tyrone win at this stage on Saturday night. I don't know where the optimism is coming from but its there.
No. We are happy with the win last week, but the dubs will rip our defence apart. A good game and a closing of the gap but the Dubs by 4.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2018, 11:20:07 PM
I'm curious who the neutrals and anti Tyrone /puke football fans want to win on Saturday.
There seems to be an almost total U turn in the media and in people's attitude about where Tyrone are at.
Last week the focus was on how Monaghan beat us at a canter and how Meath nearly knocked us out. We've no star forwards like Dublin, Kerry or Donegal have yet suddenly after two huge score lines against two 2nd rate teams we are in with a shout again at home to the best team ever.
It's almost England like in the world Cup.
I just hope the home fans play their part on Sat and create a hostile atmosphere for the Dubs.
As you can imagine for us Tyrone fans living in Dublin this is a huge match that I never thought I'd see happening. Dubs in Omagh in July. Crazy stuff 🧐
Not even Donegal supporters were cheering for Tyrone on Saturday. That tells you where neutrals' hold Tyrone.
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2018, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2018, 11:20:07 PM
I'm curious who the neutrals and anti Tyrone /puke football fans want to win on Saturday.
There seems to be an almost total U turn in the media and in people's attitude about where Tyrone are at.
Last week the focus was on how Monaghan beat us at a canter and how Meath nearly knocked us out. We've no star forwards like Dublin, Kerry or Donegal have yet suddenly after two huge score lines against two 2nd rate teams we are in with a shout again at home to the best team ever.
It's almost England like in the world Cup.
I just hope the home fans play their part on Sat and create a hostile atmosphere for the Dubs.
As you can imagine for us Tyrone fans living in Dublin this is a huge match that I never thought I'd see happening. Dubs in Omagh in July. Crazy stuff 🧐
Not even Donegal supporters were cheering for Tyrone on Saturday. That tells you where neutrals' hold Tyrone.
"The Grudge" is still strong
A lot depends on the ticket allocation. I certainly hope we don't end up with a scenario of more dubs in Omagh than Tyrone fans ala the Mayo/Kildare game where they issued the season tickets then split the remainder evenly with a few on general sale in supervalu/online.
Dublin have around 7500 season ticket holders if you include all the various schemes they run. If Tyrone have around 2000 (guess) and the capacity is 16,500 for this game then you could end up with around 11000 Dubs and 5500 Tyrone fans. That would be complete shite.
Quote from: Syferus on July 16, 2018, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2018, 11:20:07 PM
I'm curious who the neutrals and anti Tyrone /puke football fans want to win on Saturday.
There seems to be an almost total U turn in the media and in people's attitude about where Tyrone are at.
Last week the focus was on how Monaghan beat us at a canter and how Meath nearly knocked us out. We've no star forwards like Dublin, Kerry or Donegal have yet suddenly after two huge score lines against two 2nd rate teams we are in with a shout again at home to the best team ever.
It's almost England like in the world Cup.
I just hope the home fans play their part on Sat and create a hostile atmosphere for the Dubs.
As you can imagine for us Tyrone fans living in Dublin this is a huge match that I never thought I'd see happening. Dubs in Omagh in July. Crazy stuff 🧐
Not even Donegal supporters were cheering for Tyrone on Saturday. That tells you where neutrals' hold Tyrone.
Syf, that only makes sense. Surely any Donegal fan with half a brain would be hoping Roscommon won on Saturday past, Dublin beat Tyrone this week, essentially leaving the battle of Ballybofey as a dead rubber. For someone who pontificates on alot of matters, you do spout some unfiltered manure.
You do however seem to have a problem with successful teams, France, Utd, Paddy Jacksons legal team...perhaps you're problem is not being subjective. Just a thought.
We're in the exact same place as last year really, I've to laugh at how the press wrote us off after Monaghan and now suddenly we're flavour of the month again. It's a joke, more precisely they're a joke. Dublin would beat us by 6-7 points if we played them in Croker. It's the closest us or any team will get to them.
We'll keep to Dublin for 50 mins, but they'll cut loose in the last 15 to win pulling up. We'll be very lucky to beat Donegal away in the Ballybofey fortress. The reality is none of the teams left would qualify easily by beating Dublin and going to Donegal and winning. That's not poor-mouthing, it's just the truth.
What's McCarron's status? Cruciate?
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2018, 01:02:34 AM
What's McCarron's status? Cruciate?
He looked in alot of pain when it happened and thats what I was thinking originally... but then he didnt seem as bad after a minute or so
We should use this match as an opportunity to test Dublin's weakness so we know what will work best in the final.
If we beat them its a bonus and we probably will after slipping thru the gears in the final quarter to blow them out of the water but the primary purpose should be reconnaissance.
Omagh joe wrong go full tilt at them they are vunerable.Be strange for them out of the croker comfort zone. Talking about final is like the lads across the channel before reality hit them.you want to be leaving Healy Park on Saturday having emptied the tank Banty speak.
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2018, 12:32:38 AM
We're in the exact same place as last year really, I've to laugh at how the press wrote us off after Monaghan and now suddenly we're flavour of the month again. It's a joke, more precisely they're a joke. Dublin would beat us by 6-7 points if we played them in Croker. It's the closest us or any team will get to them.
We'll keep to Dublin for 50 mins, but they'll cut loose in the last 15 to win pulling up. We'll be very lucky to beat Donegal away in the Ballybofey fortress. The reality is none of the teams left would qualify easily by beating Dublin and going to Donegal and winning. That's not poor-mouthing, it's just the truth.
LOOKs like there's no point turning up. Thankfully nobody in the squad has that mentality. Every game is winnable if you play 100% to your potential.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2018, 11:20:07 PM
I'm curious who the neutrals and anti Tyrone /puke football fans want to win on Saturday.
I have my red hand at the ready...
Good man Farr.
Of course Donegal and Monaghan are gonna be anti Tyrone. We have been their biggest rival for the past 30 years I suppose.
I heard on the radio, what I really feared might happen and that is they reckon the Dubs will outnumber us in our own home ground. If that is the case it is a disgrace. What's the point in us having home advantage if we can't make it count
The excitement here in Dublin among the Dubs fans is unreal. I suppose they are so used to boring games in Croker year after year and rarely get the chance of a decent challenge away from home. When was their last? Was it the Maurice Fitzgerald "sideline kick"game in Thurles in 2001 which in fact wasn't even an away game but a neutral venue?
They love going away to games around the country and I was shocked how many of them travelled to Omagh for the league game this year. The Silver Birches was 90% Dubs.
A taximan I got on Saturday said he's driving up and sleeping in his car overnight.
Lads who I work with who have stopped going to Croker wanna go to this game and I'd say our big wins over Cork and Roscommon have wet their appetite even more.
Personally I think IF and its a HUGE IF we can stop them scoring goals and getting their swagger and get in their faces like we thought we would last year then.
Sallys from 2pm is the place to be I hear.
Quote from: Jayop on July 17, 2018, 12:04:40 AM
A lot depends on the ticket allocation. I certainly hope we don't end up with a scenario of more dubs in Omagh than Tyrone fans ala the Mayo/Kildare game where they issued the season tickets then split the remainder evenly with a few on general sale in supervalu/online.
Dublin have around 7500 season ticket holders if you include all the various schemes they run. If Tyrone have around 2000 (guess) and the capacity is 16,500 for this game then you could end up with around 11000 Dubs and 5500 Tyrone fans. That would be complete shite.
My info is Dub Season tickets 3800 and Tyrone is 1200
Quote from: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2018, 08:54:16 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 16, 2018, 11:20:07 PM
I'm curious who the neutrals and anti Tyrone /puke football fans want to win on Saturday.
I have my red hand at the ready...
With me being a proud Derry man, I'm not sure tbh..am I buck, up Dublin !!! Dub by 8+...serious case of deja vu with the build up last year's game
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2018, 11:28:36 AM
taximan I got on Saturday said he's driving up and sleeping in his car overnight.
I hope you called him a miserable ****.
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2018, 06:45:09 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2018, 12:32:38 AM
We're in the exact same place as last year really, I've to laugh at how the press wrote us off after Monaghan and now suddenly we're flavour of the month again. It's a joke, more precisely they're a joke. Dublin would beat us by 6-7 points if we played them in Croker. It's the closest us or any team will get to them.
We'll keep to Dublin for 50 mins, but they'll cut loose in the last 15 to win pulling up. We'll be very lucky to beat Donegal away in the Ballybofey fortress. The reality is none of the teams left would qualify easily by beating Dublin and going to Donegal and winning. That's not poor-mouthing, it's just the truth.
LOOKs like there's no point turning up. Thankfully nobody in the squad has that mentality. Every game is winnable if you play 100% to your potential.
That's the evidence before us. Watched back the match there, Jesus ros defending was pathetic. We actually played much better v Cork than we did against ros. Cork were actually very smart and very fit that day and clung to us for 45 mins. It's poor preparation for a match against Dublin's mean defence who won't give us time on the ball like ros did. It seeps into your subconscious as a forward or player that I can hold onto the ball as long as I want here and take my time to settle for a score, Dublin won't give us that time on the ball.
I watched the two games last week and the piss poor analysis is we were brilliant, Dublin were good enough and Donegal were poor. That's not the truth, Donegal were pretty good but the inexorable pressure Dublin put on their kick outs and on their possession meant their game plan folded. If you watched it properly you'd see Dublin were actually excellent, (uninspiring, predictable and cynical but in terms of game plan execution and winning they were brilliant).
So all I know is Donegal and Tyrone are at about the same level of performance and Dublin are a level ahead of them. Now take into account this weekends game. Tyrone's home record is poor, Dublin have a very good record in Omagh. Also it's looks in terms of fan numbers Tyrone will also be outnumbered on that front too. Dublin come up in the league for a game similar to this one and took the spoils. I've seen no reversal in the two teams form, styles or key personnel to suggest a different outcome in this match.
Promises to be a massive test for Tyrone, I'm not particularly impressed by any of the recent wins - I expected Tyrone to get to the Super 8's by hook or crook, that they have. The nature of the win over Roscommon however has got some people in Tyrone a little bit over excited I believe. It was a very high score against a team that surprisingly folded. Obviously Dublin don't do that sort of thing. Although they aren't exactly firing on all cylinders themselves right now.
Straight up, I don't see anyway in which Tyrone can beat Dublin - Omagh might not actually be to their advantage in this endeavour either as it's hardly been a fortress - Dublin will know well, and have arguably better players to do so with how Monaghan made the pitch so wide in the Ulster Championship game - this will be the first time since Monaghan this team has played a team on or above their level hence my caution despite the high scoring wins since (bar Meath).
It will take an almighty off day for Dublin for Tyrone to win, I don't think they have the aggression or physiques to go after the Dubs like Mayo have so that route is out, it's building up to a packed defence repeat of last summer, something which I'll need a few beers beforehand if so. Dublin weren't brilliant against Donegal, missed plenty and still racked up 2-15. They'll make changes as well they can too.
Overall quite negative on Tyrone's chances here - still think it comes down to a shootout v Donegal in Ballybofey.
It's hard to make a convincing case for Tyrone but I'm going to try. Firstly, we are at home, the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match and there is no way we can let ourselves be as bad again on our own home turf - there's no Hill to exaggerate every missed pass or bad tackle. Secondly we have a few upgrades on last year, McKernan for McCrory at corner back, Hampsey to pick up Fenton in midfield (can we believe Conal McCann started there last Sumner) Frank Burns is a huge addition to our defence and our ability to break forward, the progress of Conor Meyler and Ritchie Donnelly is promising - albeit this is the acid test for them. The return of Conor McAliskey in the form he is in is an upgrade on last year and he is a reliable free taker. There are likely to be 7 changes from last years starting line up, all upgrades in my view with the option of subs like Mark Bradley to come in. So this isn't the same old team as last year. The big loss is Cavanagh but I watched him closely last year and the Dubs targeted him a a potential weak link as he moved out the pitch. They dropped kick outs in his direction and ran at him - he was becoming a liability at that level. If Ritchie plays at the edge of the square and we can get decent ball in then that's a positive. Thirdly Mickey Harte has proven himself to be superb when involved in replays over the years - this is as close as we get to a replay and Mickey has had 10 months to figure out how to improve with Dublin in mind. I believe he thought the tactics last year would work - they didn't! Nobody knows that better than him. I would be very surprised to see a carbon copy repeat of last years tactics - we will go for them, try and pressurise them and see if, after 3 or 4 All Ireland's, they really are up for another battle of Omagh. Finally, we will never have such a good opportunity to put right such a poor performance again. We have the AI champions, who annihilated is last year, at home, in Omagh, potentially, for a place in the AI semi final - any Tyrone man / woman worth their salt should get behind this team and the players should be running through the walls in Omagh to get at the Dubs - and you just never know. Tyrone by 4.
What are you smoking Benny!!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 17, 2018, 12:56:47 PM
What are you smoking Benny!!
Why is defeatism so rife in the GAA these days?
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 17, 2018, 12:56:47 PM
What are you smoking Benny!!
Why is defeatism so rife in the GAA these days?
He's from Derry - it's why they are where they are.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 17, 2018, 12:56:47 PM
What are you smoking Benny!!
Why is defeatism so rife in the GAA these days?
He's from Derry - it's why they are where they are.
There's defeatism and there's realism!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 17, 2018, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 17, 2018, 12:56:47 PM
What are you smoking Benny!!
Why is defeatism so rife in the GAA these days?
He's from Derry - it's why they are where they are.
There's defeatism and there's realism!
Sean Cavanagh said he really believed Tyrone were going to win Sam last year.
It all fits into the same pattern.
I've been thinking about the performance last week by Dublin and them being off the pace is probably the worst thing for Tyrone. Gives them motivation to improve and they haven't had that in a long time.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PM
It's hard to make a convincing case for Tyrone but I'm going to try. Firstly, we are at home, the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match and there is no way we can let ourselves be as bad again on our own home turf - there's no Hill to exaggerate every missed pass or bad tackle. Secondly we have a few upgrades on last year, McKernan for McCrory at corner back, Hampsey to pick up Fenton in midfield (can we believe Conal McCann started there last Sumner) Frank Burns is a huge addition to our defence and our ability to break forward, the progress of Conor Meyler and Ritchie Donnelly is promising - albeit this is the acid test for them. The return of Conor McAliskey in the form he is in is an upgrade on last year and he is a reliable free taker. There are likely to be 7 changes from last years starting line up, all upgrades in my view with the option of subs like Mark Bradley to come in. So this isn't the same old team as last year. The big loss is Cavanagh but I watched him closely last year and the Dubs targeted him a a potential weak link as he moved out the pitch. They dropped kick outs in his direction and ran at him - he was becoming a liability at that level. If Ritchie plays at the edge of the square and we can get decent ball in then that's a positive. Thirdly Mickey Harte has proven himself to be superb when involved in replays over the years - this is as close as we get to a replay and Mickey has had 10 months to figure out how to improve with Dublin in mind. I believe he thought the tactics last year would work - they didn't! Nobody knows that better than him. I would be very surprised to see a carbon copy repeat of last years tactics - we will go for them, try and pressurise them and see if, after 3 or 4 All Ireland's, they really are up for another battle of Omagh. Finally, we will never have such a good opportunity to put right such a poor performance again. We have the AI champions, who annihilated is last year, at home, in Omagh, potentially, for a place in the AI semi final - any Tyrone man / woman worth their salt should get behind this team and the players should be running through the walls in Omagh to get at the Dubs - and you just never know. Tyrone by 4.
The Dubs beat Derry in a qualifier game in Clones in 2003. If Tyrone go for a win I think they can give Dublin a good game though I'm not sure we can beat them. This is a class Dublin team, too classy I think. But Tyrone just throw the sink at them and if we lose so be it... anything but that attitude in Croke Park last August defending a defeat.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PM
It's hard to make a convincing case for Tyrone but I'm going to try. Firstly, we are at home, the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match and there is no way we can let ourselves be as bad again on our own home turf - there's no Hill to exaggerate every missed pass or bad tackle. Secondly we have a few upgrades on last year, McKernan for McCrory at corner back, Hampsey to pick up Fenton in midfield (can we believe Conal McCann started there last Sumner) Frank Burns is a huge addition to our defence and our ability to break forward, the progress of Conor Meyler and Ritchie Donnelly is promising - albeit this is the acid test for them. The return of Conor McAliskey in the form he is in is an upgrade on last year and he is a reliable free taker. There are likely to be 7 changes from last years starting line up, all upgrades in my view with the option of subs like Mark Bradley to come in. So this isn't the same old team as last year. The big loss is Cavanagh but I watched him closely last year and the Dubs targeted him a a potential weak link as he moved out the pitch. They dropped kick outs in his direction and ran at him - he was becoming a liability at that level. If Ritchie plays at the edge of the square and we can get decent ball in then that's a positive. Thirdly Mickey Harte has proven himself to be superb when involved in replays over the years - this is as close as we get to a replay and Mickey has had 10 months to figure out how to improve with Dublin in mind. I believe he thought the tactics last year would work - they didn't! Nobody knows that better than him. I would be very surprised to see a carbon copy repeat of last years tactics - we will go for them, try and pressurise them and see if, after 3 or 4 All Ireland's, they really are up for another battle of Omagh. Finally, we will never have such a good opportunity to put right such a poor performance again. We have the AI champions, who annihilated is last year, at home, in Omagh, potentially, for a place in the AI semi final - any Tyrone man / woman worth their salt should get behind this team and the players should be running through the walls in Omagh to get at the Dubs - and you just never know. Tyrone by 4.
I would agree that we have a stronger team than last year. The players that have come into the team definitely have added something. The likes of Burns, Meyler and McShane offer a lot more energy than Conall McCann, McRory and Mulgrew (who is young and may well improve). I seriously doubt if Tyrone's heads are right that we are a 12 point worse team than Dublin.
Whether we have enough to beat them only time will tell. But I hope we go out and give it everything and really pressurise the Dubs on the ball and push up on them when we can. We can't sit back like last year and watch them play the ball around us.
Kick outs are going to be a major impact on the game. We have to be prepared to go man for man on a lot of their kick outs and not give Cluxton the easy options like last year. That was criminal allowing them free men so much space around the middle. On our own kick outs they will no doubt push up on us. If that's the case we need to bring a lot of men into defence and back ourselves to win the long ball which will create space at the other end. If both these things happen there is going to be a lot of contested ball around the middle. Against Monaghan we got cleaned out with one man often getting isolated versus three or four Monaghan men. Since that we seem to have worked on getting bodies around were the kick out is going and competing for the breaks. They could well be were the game is won or lost.
If we half push up on the kick out like last year it will be game over. I'd be surprised if lessons haven't been learnt from then. If so I suspect we'll push hard on some kick outs and for others we'll not contest it and get the defence in place.
I hope our supporters show up and get behind the team instead of all this constant negativity. We have a unique opportunity to welcome the All Ireland champs to our home ground with the opportunity of securing a place in the all Ireland semi final. Really hope the players go out and perform and show this Dublin team isn't unbeatable. Some day it will be proven, let's hope we are the team to do it.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PM
It's hard to make a convincing case for Tyrone but I'm going to try. Firstly, we are at home, the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match and there is no way we can let ourselves be as bad again on our own home turf - there's no Hill to exaggerate every missed pass or bad tackle. Secondly we have a few upgrades on last year, McKernan for McCrory at corner back, Hampsey to pick up Fenton in midfield (can we believe Conal McCann started there last Sumner) Frank Burns is a huge addition to our defence and our ability to break forward, the progress of Conor Meyler and Ritchie Donnelly is promising - albeit this is the acid test for them. The return of Conor McAliskey in the form he is in is an upgrade on last year and he is a reliable free taker. There are likely to be 7 changes from last years starting line up, all upgrades in my view with the option of subs like Mark Bradley to come in. So this isn't the same old team as last year. The big loss is Cavanagh but I watched him closely last year and the Dubs targeted him a a potential weak link as he moved out the pitch. They dropped kick outs in his direction and ran at him - he was becoming a liability at that level. If Ritchie plays at the edge of the square and we can get decent ball in then that's a positive. Thirdly Mickey Harte has proven himself to be superb when involved in replays over the years - this is as close as we get to a replay and Mickey has had 10 months to figure out how to improve with Dublin in mind. I believe he thought the tactics last year would work - they didn't! Nobody knows that better than him. I would be very surprised to see a carbon copy repeat of last years tactics - we will go for them, try and pressurise them and see if, after 3 or 4 All Ireland's, they really are up for another battle of Omagh. Finally, we will never have such a good opportunity to put right such a poor performance again. We have the AI champions, who annihilated is last year, at home, in Omagh, potentially, for a place in the AI semi final - any Tyrone man / woman worth their salt should get behind this team and the players should be running through the walls in Omagh to get at the Dubs - and you just never know. Tyrone by 4.
YES, YES & YES. I'm so fired up for this now.... WE CAN DO IT!!
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 17, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on July 17, 2018, 12:56:47 PM
What are you smoking Benny!!
Why is defeatism so rife in the GAA these days?
Agreed, with a few more uppercase "WE CAN DO IT's"! and, most importantly, if you throw that kitchen sink hard enough, anything is possible in sport.
Quote from: trailer on July 17, 2018, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PM
It's hard to make a convincing case for Tyrone but I'm going to try. Firstly, we are at home, the Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match and there is no way we can let ourselves be as bad again on our own home turf - there's no Hill to exaggerate every missed pass or bad tackle. Secondly we have a few upgrades on last year, McKernan for McCrory at corner back, Hampsey to pick up Fenton in midfield (can we believe Conal McCann started there last Sumner) Frank Burns is a huge addition to our defence and our ability to break forward, the progress of Conor Meyler and Ritchie Donnelly is promising - albeit this is the acid test for them. The return of Conor McAliskey in the form he is in is an upgrade on last year and he is a reliable free taker. There are likely to be 7 changes from last years starting line up, all upgrades in my view with the option of subs like Mark Bradley to come in. So this isn't the same old team as last year. The big loss is Cavanagh but I watched him closely last year and the Dubs targeted him a a potential weak link as he moved out the pitch. They dropped kick outs in his direction and ran at him - he was becoming a liability at that level. If Ritchie plays at the edge of the square and we can get decent ball in then that's a positive. Thirdly Mickey Harte has proven himself to be superb when involved in replays over the years - this is as close as we get to a replay and Mickey has had 10 months to figure out how to improve with Dublin in mind. I believe he thought the tactics last year would work - they didn't! Nobody knows that better than him. I would be very surprised to see a carbon copy repeat of last years tactics - we will go for them, try and pressurise them and see if, after 3 or 4 All Ireland's, they really are up for another battle of Omagh. Finally, we will never have such a good opportunity to put right such a poor performance again. We have the AI champions, who annihilated is last year, at home, in Omagh, potentially, for a place in the AI semi final - any Tyrone man / woman worth their salt should get behind this team and the players should be running through the walls in Omagh to get at the Dubs - and you just never know. Tyrone by 4.
YES, YES & YES. I'm so fired up for this now.... WE CAN DO IT!!
https://youtu.be/GIQn8pab8Vc
Ultimately it's gonna come down to Donegal game, which in the last few years is the secomd most difficult match + venue for Tyrone next to playing Dublin in Croke.
If we beat Dublin, great if we don't then it's all a further step along the learning curve.
No reason to be defeatest before Sat though.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PMthe Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match
They beat Derry in Clones in 2003. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/na-fianna-duo-put-wind-up-derry-in-clones-1.485012
Quote from: five points on July 17, 2018, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PMthe Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match
They beat Derry in Clones in 2003. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/na-fianna-duo-put-wind-up-derry-in-clones-1.485012
How many of the current Dublin squad or management were involved that day?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: five points on July 17, 2018, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PMthe Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match
They beat Derry in Clones in 2003. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/na-fianna-duo-put-wind-up-derry-in-clones-1.485012
How many of the current Dublin squad or management were involved that day?
you should have said this Dublin squad... of course you knew about 2003 ;)
Quote from: longballin on July 17, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: five points on July 17, 2018, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PMthe Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match
They beat Derry in Clones in 2003. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/na-fianna-duo-put-wind-up-derry-in-clones-1.485012
How many of the current Dublin squad or management were involved that day?
you should have said this Dublin squad... of course you knew about 2003 ;)
It was only Derry ;D and has no bearing on Saturday
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2018, 12:02:49 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2018, 06:45:09 AM
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2018, 12:32:38 AM
We're in the exact same place as last year really, I've to laugh at how the press wrote us off after Monaghan and now suddenly we're flavour of the month again. It's a joke, more precisely they're a joke. Dublin would beat us by 6-7 points if we played them in Croker. It's the closest us or any team will get to them.
We'll keep to Dublin for 50 mins, but they'll cut loose in the last 15 to win pulling up. We'll be very lucky to beat Donegal away in the Ballybofey fortress. The reality is none of the teams left would qualify easily by beating Dublin and going to Donegal and winning. That's not poor-mouthing, it's just the truth.
LOOKs like there's no point turning up. Thankfully nobody in the squad has that mentality. Every game is winnable if you play 100% to your potential.
That's the evidence before us. Watched back the match there, Jesus ros defending was pathetic. We actually played much better v Cork than we did against ros. Cork were actually very smart and very fit that day and clung to us for 45 mins. It's poor preparation for a match against Dublin's mean defence who won't give us time on the ball like ros did. It seeps into your subconscious as a forward or player that I can hold onto the ball as long as I want here and take my time to settle for a score, Dublin won't give us that time on the ball.
I watched the two games last week and the piss poor analysis is we were brilliant, Dublin were good enough and Donegal were poor. That's not the truth, Donegal were pretty good but the inexorable pressure Dublin put on their kick outs and on their possession meant their game plan folded. If you watched it properly you'd see Dublin were actually excellent, (uninspiring, predictable and cynical but in terms of game plan execution and winning they were brilliant).
So all I know is Donegal and Tyrone are at about the same level of performance and Dublin are a level ahead of them. Now take into account this weekends game. Tyrone's home record is poor, Dublin have a very good record in Omagh. Also it's looks in terms of fan numbers Tyrone will also be outnumbered on that front too. Dublin come up in the league for a game similar to this one and took the spoils. I've seen no reversal in the two teams form, styles or key personnel to suggest a different outcome in this match.
Well it looks like your mind is well and truly made up then, and your not alone.
But as I said before the players won't have that mentality( which I just can't get my head around) of they can't be beat. Last time I encountered that was in an u14 match
That was quite a changed team from last year's All Ire final that Dublin put out last weekend.
We all know they have a huge talented bunch and have amazing subs to come in but looking through that squad are they really as experienced as on previous years?
Despite the news that there will most likely be more away fans than home, which if true is a disgrace and huge bonus for the Dubs, I think a lot of these young (and older) Dublin players have never really experienced a full blooded away championship game against one of their main rivals.
Fair enough Tyrone may not be a top 3 team but we are top 5 in most people's eyes and as a Tyrone fan you would like to believe that Mickey and especially Horse will have the lads psyched to the teeth that this is a HUGE opportunity to lay down a marker. To say seize the opportunity that every other county in Ireland would love to have and that is to beat the AI Champions in our own backyard and to throw everything at them. We've shown before how we can highly motivated fir a one off game and with the added ingredient of revenge for how that team made them look like kids last year chasing shadows and how they wouldn't give us our ball back.
For years true GAA men up and down the country dreamed of playing their biggest rivals like Kerry or the Dubs in their own ground in championship and not just a league game.
Look at the reaction of Kerry when they beat Tyrone in Tralee a few years back.
We need to forget completely about the Donegal game and throw everything we have at these young Dubs as they did back in the first battle of Omagh to lay down a marker.
When you look at the Dublin squad last weekend, is it as daunting as a few years ago. McManoman still only a sub, I Gara just a battering ram who mist Dubs never rated.
Even young Mannion, despite being a very talented player, there has always been questions about his temperament and if things are going badly can he keep his head or just give up.
I hope there are a few high ball lofted in in top of Cluxton with Richie showing his strength but also brainpower to test
to see can Clucko remain as calm without his darling hill behind him. I hope our noisest fans get behind the goals for that like they often do.
Well done Benny for standing up and speaking your mind and being positive. Far too often others are like
"Oh you shouldn't talk your team up for a huge fall or show over confidence or sickening arrogance"
It's the Irish way to see the more successful team lose and begrudge them their win. I would say most real neutrals on Sat would be delighted to see the Dubs lose and even though many hate the Tyrone style of play they would still bare it if it proved the Dubs outside their borrowed home venue are a different proposition to the comforts they have got used to.
That's all of course only relevant If this Tyrone team have the balls to peak and believe they can win, rather than their pathetic 2nd half attempt in the league.
1. Stephen Cluxton (Parnell's)
2. Michael Fitzsimons (Cuala)
7. Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)
24. Eoin Murchan (Na Fianna)
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6. James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)
26. Cian O'Sullivan (Kilmacud Crokes)
21. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf)
8. Brian Fenton (Raheny)
9. Michael Darragh MacAuley (Ballyboden St Enda's)
10. Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge Street)
11. Con O'Callaghan (Cuala)
5. Brian Howard (Raheny)
13. Paul Mannion (Kilmacud Crokes)
12. Ciaran Kilkenny (Castleknock)
14. Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams)
Subs
18. Cormac Costello (Whitehall Colmcille) for MacAuley (46)
22. Kevin McManamon (St Judes) for Mannion (48)
20. Paul Flynn (Fingallians) for Howard (54)
4. Eric Lowndes (St Peregrine's) for McCaffrey (62)
17. Colm Basquel (Ballyboden St-Enda's) for O'Callaghan (70)
19. Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens) for Fitzsimons (75)
Just don't concede a goal in the first 5 mins ffs.
Quote from: trileacman on July 17, 2018, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 17, 2018, 11:28:36 AM
taximan I got on Saturday said he's driving up and sleeping in his car overnight.
I hope you called him a miserable ****.
You'd expect that from a travelling Cavan supporter, not Dublin.
Unfortunately i think the Dubs will be the louder supporters with Majority of them behind both nets. Would love to see a Tyrone win but think Dublin will beat us handy and put to bed the myth that they can only win in Croker.
Quote from: RetiredRessie on July 18, 2018, 09:38:29 AM
Unfortunately i think the Dubs will be the louder supporters with Majority of them behind both nets. Would love to see a Tyrone win but think Dublin will beat us handy and put to bed the myth that they can only win in Croker.
I'm sorry but where'd this myth they can only win in Croker originate from? They've been regularly winning away from home in the league for years now with regular wins in McHale, Clones and Omagh this past 5 seasons. Only really Kerry and Donegal have a good home record and in those instances Dublin merely drew those matches as opposed to win them.
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As expected McCarron is out, however, we've plenty of cover back there. On the good side we've Colm available and Lee should make the bench!
Tyrone will be without defender Cathal McCarron for this Saturday's Super 8s meeting with Dublin in Omagh.
The Dromore native suffered a knee injury during the early stages of the Red Hands' 18-point win over Roscommon four days ago and manager Mickey Harte has since confirmed that he will not partake in this weekend's clash against the All-Ireland champions.
"It wouldn't look like he'll be available for this week, for sure. He's had an x-ray, which doesn't tell you an awful lot, but he has to get a scan on it, so we won't know until the scan is done," Harte told The Irish News.
"It's a knee injury, so we would be concerned about it."
However, there is good news for the Tyrone boss in that National League top-scorer Lee Brennan will return to action after having missed all of the qualifier series with a hamstring injury which he aggravated in May's Ulster championship loss to Monaghan.
Harte has also confirmed that Colm Cavanagh is available this weekend after shipping a heavy knock against the Rossies at Croke Park in what was the first ever game in the Super 8s.
All in all that's positive with Colm starting and Lee being back on the bench. Those two are proper difference makers.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 04:06:33 PM
Quote from: five points on July 17, 2018, 03:59:54 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 17, 2018, 12:44:16 PMthe Dubs have never travelled to Ulster for a championship match
They beat Derry in Clones in 2003. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/na-fianna-duo-put-wind-up-derry-in-clones-1.485012
How many of the current Dublin squad or management were involved that day?
Sherlock
As soon as they step foot off the bus the Dublin players will be looking around themselves mystified by this new world they have discovered.
Just watched first half of the semi from last year and skipped through the 2nd. Link here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emriasRZaOg
Some points that jump out:
- The most obvious one was Con's goal completely knocked the stuffing out of us. It immediately put us in a vulnerable position as the full on defensive system requires you to be in front or very close behind and that cushion was perfect for the Dubs. You could see the effort to come out and meet the attacker, the support in attack and usual aggression just wasn't there.
- Our main threats were significantly neutralised throughout the game. John Small swarmed Harte and he barely got a touch. Matty was very quiet as well. Sludden probably the only player to come out well.
- Overall I think we've a better team this year. People may say we'll miss big Sean but to be brutally honest he had a terrible game last year and was virtually anonymous. Conal McCann literally didn't touch the ball before he was brought off so Hampsey will provide more aggression around the middle third. Burns is having a excellent year and will be much more solid from CHB. Astonishing to think why he didn't get a proper run out last year. McKernan and (likely) HP McGreary should make a difference in defence too when compared to McCarron and McCrory.
- No joke, we attempted one long ball into the FF line in the whole first half last year and that was a half arsed effort by Harte into Bradley that was easily cut out. The running game that should have been there was totally absent too. Our game is based on pods of players moving with the runner but this simply didn't happen. This was further evidenced in the number of times we were easily stripped of possession. The Dub's tackling was superb, however, the usual support off the shoulder just wasn't there.
- Ritchy Donnelly and McAliskey will allow us an alternative option in the FF line. Now we won't be seeing long balls being reined down in the FF line but it would be utterly criminal not to use the long ball at least 4/5 times a half. Colm Parkinson always makes this point, in that if you're a Dublin Full back last year you were more or less sure that the early ball in wasn't going to happen. They had the easiest job in the world. Now if an odd long ball comes in it has the potential to at least keep them on their toes and make them slightly on edge.
I still think the Dubs will beat us but hoping for a better fight and (in our wildest dreams) maybe sneaking it if we have shooting accuracy close to last week and they have a stinker. I just think the Dubs have the men to keep our main threats quiet which will have a massive effect on our ability to control the game and dictate the flow.
What stood out for me last year was how Dublin stretched Tyrone from sideline to sideline, allowing 1 on 1s when they went for it and exposing our defenders' inability to handle that.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
What stood out for me last year was how Dublin stretched Tyrone from sideline to sideline, allowing 1 on 1s when they went for it and exposing our defenders' inability to handle that.
O'Neill
do you not believe in Tyrone by 4 ?
Quote from: Solo_run on July 18, 2018, 11:46:33 AM
As soon as they step foot off the bus the Dublin players will be looking around themselves mystified by this new world they have discovered.
Obviously you weren't in Omagh for the league game earlier in the year or you have the memory of a goldfish.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2018, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
What stood out for me last year was how Dublin stretched Tyrone from sideline to sideline, allowing 1 on 1s when they went for it and exposing our defenders' inability to handle that.
O'Neill
do you not believe in Tyrone by 4 ?
All depends on what I'm drinking.
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
What stood out for me last year was how Dublin stretched Tyrone from sideline to sideline, allowing 1 on 1s when they went for it and exposing our defenders' inability to handle that.
It'd be interesting to see how much narrower Healy Park is compared to Croke Park. Need to get the groundsman out and bring in the sidelines a further 5 metres on either side!
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2018, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
What stood out for me last year was how Dublin stretched Tyrone from sideline to sideline, allowing 1 on 1s when they went for it and exposing our defenders' inability to handle that.
It'd be interesting to see how much narrower Healy Park is compared to Croke Park. Need to get the groundsman out and bring in the sidelines a further 5 metres on either side!
With all due respect this is the sort of thing we should be doing. Happens in other sports and is within the rules.
Both 86m wide I think. Croke 2m longer. Move it til Dungannon.
Quote from: shantygael on July 18, 2018, 01:25:28 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on July 18, 2018, 11:46:33 AM
As soon as they step foot off the bus the Dublin players will be looking around themselves mystified by this new world they have discovered.
Obviously you weren't in Omagh for the league game earlier in the year or you have the memory of a goldfish.
Obviously you're not up to date with sarcasm or irony.
Heard a rumour that my club will only get about 12 tickets for distribution - surely this is BS. I'd imagine theyll get 80-100
I got 4 tickets this morning from here :
https://secure.tickets.ie/Listing/EventInformation/38648/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship-quarter-finals-phase-2-tyrone-v-dublin
Quote from: WT4E on July 18, 2018, 03:06:06 PM
Heard a rumour that my club will only get about 12 tickets for distribution - surely this is BS. I'd imagine theyll get 80-100
Has to be BS as I've literally just received a text from the club to say my request has been met in full and that's for 2 adults and 3 kids tickets. I wonder was it 12 seating tickets for distribution?
Despite the attitude of many of the Tyrone lads on this forum that the "glass is half empty" I would not be at all confident of Dublin's prospects for this weekend. Remember that the Dubs are going for their fourth All Ireland title on the trot and the laws of physics would suggest that their charmed run of success can't go on forever. The day will come when they will stumble and there's no reason to believe that it won't be next Saturday.
The only thing that I would say to those who believe that this Dublin team might wilt under the pressure of a hostile "away" environment is that most of this team held on to win out against a fierce Mayo onslaught during the last ten minutes of last years All Ireland final - now that's pressure.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 18, 2018, 06:37:27 PM
Despite the attitude of many of the Tyrone lads on this forum that the "glass is half empty" I would not be at all confident of Dublin's prospects for this weekend. Remember that the Dubs are going for their fourth All Ireland title on the trot and the laws of physics would suggest that their charmed run of success can't go on forever. The day will come when they will stumble and there's no reason to believe that it won't be next Saturday.
The only thing that I would say to those who believe that this Dublin team might wilt under the pressure of a hostile "away" environment is that most of this team held on to win out against a fierce Mayo onslaught during the last ten minutes of last years All Ireland final - now that's pressure.
Tyrone dont have a great rexord in their own ground. They would much prefer to be playing Dublin in clones.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 18, 2018, 06:37:27 PM
Despite the attitude of many of the Tyrone lads on this forum that the "glass is half empty" I would not be at all confident of Dublin's prospects for this weekend. Remember that the Dubs are going for their fourth All Ireland title on the trot and the laws of physics would suggest that their charmed run of success can't go on forever. The day will come when they will stumble and there's no reason to believe that it won't be next Saturday.
The only thing that I would say to those who believe that this Dublin team might wilt under the pressure of a hostile "away" environment is that most of this team held on to win out against a fierce Mayo onslaught during the last ten minutes of last years All Ireland final - now that's pressure.
There's no doubting the bottle of this Dublin team. The only small question I have (or hope that I cling to) is that Dublin know they are going to make it through to the semi finals - barring an absolute miracle v Roscommon back at Croker. So how much do they really need to win this game on Saturday if it turns into a war of attrition? I'm hoping Tyrone will be running through the walls, not just to avenge the poor performance last year but also to give ourselves the upper hand going to a very difficult game in Ballybofey the following week. Its an old worn out phrase about who wants / needs it more? It has to be Tyrone in this particular game. I would worry if we met in a subsequent All Ireland final though.......we aren't going to beat you twice.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 18, 2018, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 18, 2018, 06:37:27 PM
Despite the attitude of many of the Tyrone lads on this forum that the "glass is half empty" I would not be at all confident of Dublin's prospects for this weekend. Remember that the Dubs are going for their fourth All Ireland title on the trot and the laws of physics would suggest that their charmed run of success can't go on forever. The day will come when they will stumble and there's no reason to believe that it won't be next Saturday.
The only thing that I would say to those who believe that this Dublin team might wilt under the pressure of a hostile "away" environment is that most of this team held on to win out against a fierce Mayo onslaught during the last ten minutes of last years All Ireland final - now that's pressure.
There's no doubting the bottle of this Dublin team. The only small question I have (or hope that I cling to) is that Dublin know they are going to make it through to the semi finals - barring an absolute miracle v Roscommon back at Croker. So how much do they really need to win this game on Saturday if it turns into a war of attrition? I'm hoping Tyrone will be running through the walls, not just to avenge the poor performance last year but also to give ourselves the upper hand going to a very difficult game in Ballybofey the following week. Its an old worn out phrase about who wants / needs it more? It has to be Tyrone in this particular game. I would worry if we met in a subsequent All Ireland final though.......we aren't going to beat you twice.
Incumbents often destroy pretenders pour encourager les autres.
Dublin won't want to show any weakness in Omagh.
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2018, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 18, 2018, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 18, 2018, 06:37:27 PM
Despite the attitude of many of the Tyrone lads on this forum that the "glass is half empty" I would not be at all confident of Dublin's prospects for this weekend. Remember that the Dubs are going for their fourth All Ireland title on the trot and the laws of physics would suggest that their charmed run of success can't go on forever. The day will come when they will stumble and there's no reason to believe that it won't be next Saturday.
The only thing that I would say to those who believe that this Dublin team might wilt under the pressure of a hostile "away" environment is that most of this team held on to win out against a fierce Mayo onslaught during the last ten minutes of last years All Ireland final - now that's pressure.
There's no doubting the bottle of this Dublin team. The only small question I have (or hope that I cling to) is that Dublin know they are going to make it through to the semi finals - barring an absolute miracle v Roscommon back at Croker. So how much do they really need to win this game on Saturday if it turns into a war of attrition? I'm hoping Tyrone will be running through the walls, not just to avenge the poor performance last year but also to give ourselves the upper hand going to a very difficult game in Ballybofey the following week. Its an old worn out phrase about who wants / needs it more? It has to be Tyrone in this particular game. I would worry if we met in a subsequent All Ireland final though.......we aren't going to beat you twice.
Incumbents often destroy pretenders pour encourager les autres.
Dublin won't want to show any weakness in Omagh.
Indeed - but I need something to cling to this week!
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 18, 2018, 07:22:44 PM
Quote from: seafoid on July 18, 2018, 07:20:45 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 18, 2018, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 18, 2018, 06:37:27 PM
Despite the attitude of many of the Tyrone lads on this forum that the "glass is half empty" I would not be at all confident of Dublin's prospects for this weekend. Remember that the Dubs are going for their fourth All Ireland title on the trot and the laws of physics would suggest that their charmed run of success can't go on forever. The day will come when they will stumble and there's no reason to believe that it won't be next Saturday.
The only thing that I would say to those who believe that this Dublin team might wilt under the pressure of a hostile "away" environment is that most of this team held on to win out against a fierce Mayo onslaught during the last ten minutes of last years All Ireland final - now that's pressure.
There's no doubting the bottle of this Dublin team. The only small question I have (or hope that I cling to) is that Dublin know they are going to make it through to the semi finals - barring an absolute miracle v Roscommon back at Croker. So how much do they really need to win this game on Saturday if it turns into a war of attrition? I'm hoping Tyrone will be running through the walls, not just to avenge the poor performance last year but also to give ourselves the upper hand going to a very difficult game in Ballybofey the following week. Its an old worn out phrase about who wants / needs it more? It has to be Tyrone in this particular game. I would worry if we met in a subsequent All Ireland final though.......we aren't going to beat you twice.
Incumbents often destroy pretenders pour encourager les autres.
Dublin won't want to show any weakness in Omagh.
Indeed - but I need something to cling to this week!
I think I read somewhere about the 03 team having zero respect for kerry the big opponents . Or maybe it was 05. That would be the place to start.
I think there's a big question Dublin need to answer this year. Can Dublin win an all Ireland without their key man who they needed to win the game when the shit hit the fan v Mayo. The treatment of Connolly by management has been so questionable I think it has to come back to bite. Diarmuid who has been their best footballer for 7 years. He's out. It might not be Tyrone best placed to take advantage but perhaps a Galway or Kerry will exploit it better. The game is the poorer withou Connolly and I think the Dubs will be as well. Can Gavin sort this out this year yet?
Quote from: rrhf on July 18, 2018, 11:10:58 PM
I think there's a big question Dublin need to answer this year. Can Dublin win an all Ireland without their key man who they needed to win the game when the shit hit the fan v Mayo. The treatment of Connolly by management has been so questionable I think it has to come back to bite. Diarmuid who has been their best footballer for 7 years. He's out. It might not be Tyrone best placed to take advantage but perhaps a Galway or Kerry will exploit it better. The game is the poorer withou Connolly and I think the Dubs will be as well. Can Gavin sort this out this year yet?
sure they went through championship last year hardly needing Connolly. Don't know did he play against Tyrone maybe came on late when game was long won. After Kerry's collapse last week will anyone give them the challenge Mayo did in the final? New system means they can take a loss on Saturday and still most likely make semi-final. I can't see them beat unless Tyrone can take them and I don't mean this weekend, though it would lay down a marker for later if they do.
Quote from: rrhf on July 18, 2018, 11:10:58 PM
I think there's a big question Dublin need to answer this year. Can Dublin win an all Ireland without their key man who they needed to win the game when the shit hit the fan v Mayo. The treatment of Connolly by management has been so questionable I think it has to come back to bite. Diarmuid who has been their best footballer for 7 years. He's out. It might not be Tyrone best placed to take advantage but perhaps a Galway or Kerry will exploit it better. The game is the poorer withou Connolly and I think the Dubs will be as well. Can Gavin sort this out this year yet?
There are zero questions Dublin need to answer this year, the same as the last four or five years. Connolly was a completely peripheral figure for a few years before he left. The idea that they miss him at all is laughable.
Don't think connolly came on against Tyrone last year, think there was a big cheer as they thought it was him, but it was someone else.
Don't think they are weakened at all by it. They are the benchmark.
I cant see us winning, but i will take a performance hugely improved from last year, ask some questions, learn something and give them a game for 70+ minutes. And build again, just like we have been doing since the Monaghan game.
I think MH will throw Lee Brennan in if he is fit. If he has a full week training. And maybe move Donnelly into midfield and him and Hampsey do the man marking on Fenton and one sweeper with CC when defending. McShane to miss out.
My team:
M O'Neill
McKernan
McNamee
Hampsey
McCann
Burns
Harte
Donnelly
CC
Bradley
Sludden
Meyler
Brennan
Donnelly
McAliskey
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
Doubts creeping in. Come on! We have ye's now..... Hopefully.
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
I was listening to Parkinson's podcast and he mentioned a stat that fits the highlighted bits very well. Dublin were turned over 15 times on Saturday and only turned Donegal on half as many occasions. This indicates that Donegal should be kicking themselves that they didn't get something from the game, especially considering the form of Kilkenny et al.
I still think Dublin will win this but my only morsel of hope is the Dubs will have a below par performance and give up possession like they did on Saturday. Donegal have a better attack than us (when McBrearty is there), however, we are a better team at turning ball over, and more importantly hurting teams on the break.
Should be a good game. My thoughts on team are along these lines:
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McKernan
McCann
Burns
Harte
Colm
McShane
Donnelly
Sludden
Meyler
Bradley
Ritchy D
McAliskey
I'd like to see Rory Brennan replace the injured McCarron and leave Bradley and Brennan in reserve for later in the match if it's still in the melting pot. Brennan is a much better option against the Dublin forwards than HP McGeary in my opinion. I can't see Harte changing anything else except that enforced change.
Quote from: square_ball on July 19, 2018, 10:46:05 AM
I'd like to see Rory Brennan replace the injured McCarron and leave Bradley and Brennan in reserve for later in the match if it's still in the melting pot. Brennan is a much better option against the Dublin forwards than HP McGeary in my opinion. I can't see Harte changing anything else except that enforced change.
That's the change I'd be making as well. We've competed better around the middle in recent games so I'd leave things as they are there. Judging on other games Hugh Pat looks most likely to come in.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 19, 2018, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 19, 2018, 10:46:05 AM
I'd like to see Rory Brennan replace the injured McCarron and leave Bradley and Brennan in reserve for later in the match if it's still in the melting pot. Brennan is a much better option against the Dublin forwards than HP McGeary in my opinion. I can't see Harte changing anything else except that enforced change.
That's the change I'd be making as well. We've competed better around the middle in recent games so I'd leave things as they are there. Judging on other games Hugh Pat looks most likely to come in.
Surely it'll be HP considering he's been the first man into defence for the majority of the year if he hasn't already started.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 19, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on July 19, 2018, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: square_ball on July 19, 2018, 10:46:05 AM
I'd like to see Rory Brennan replace the injured McCarron and leave Bradley and Brennan in reserve for later in the match if it's still in the melting pot. Brennan is a much better option against the Dublin forwards than HP McGeary in my opinion. I can't see Harte changing anything else except that enforced change.
That's the change I'd be making as well. We've competed better around the middle in recent games so I'd leave things as they are there. Judging on other games Hugh Pat looks most likely to come in.
Surely it'll be HP considering he's been the first man into defence for the majority of the year if he hasn't already started.
I think it will be HP that Harte goes with but to be honest I haven't been overly impressed with him on any occasion I've seen him. My own preference would be Rory Brennan.
High Balls into the square and be aggressive on Cluxton could be key to a win against Dublin - Could we see a reversal of the 08 Twin Towers in defence and put two donnelly bros in there on occasion to test that little t**ker Cooper and his mates!
Whats the story with Michael Cassidy always thought he would come in handy for the right type of game - good player and can get into peoples faces if I remember the U21 All Ireland win?
Also is DD Mulgrerw fit? Thought I saw his name in the Great Rossa Run results competing for the 5k run.
Quote from: trailer on July 19, 2018, 09:51:54 AM
Doubts creeping in. Come on! We have ye's now..... Hopefully.
There is also the very important aspect that we did hammer yis this time last year! Now that could be a good or bad thing for either side (Dubs: confidence that we're simply the better team / overconfidence - Tyrone: determined to do better / heads down if go behind early).
While league may very well count for nothing, in the league games where Tyrone have matched us in recent years, it has mainly been inability to take scores that has cost you against us. And it's cost you in other bigger games too. Despite the big scores you've been racking up, I'd still count that as a Tyrone concern, i.e. being able to take scores at crucial times. Although you do seem much improved.
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on July 19, 2018, 09:51:54 AM
Doubts creeping in. Come on! We have ye's now..... Hopefully.
There is also the very important aspect that we did hammer yis this time last year! Now that could be a good or bad thing for either side (Dubs: confidence that we're simply the better team / overconfidence - Tyrone: determined to do better / heads down if go behind early).
While league may very well count for nothing, in the league games where Tyrone have matched us in recent years, it has mainly been inability to take scores that has cost you against us. And it's cost you in other bigger games too. Despite the big scores you've been racking up, I'd still count that as a Tyrone concern, i.e. being able to take scores at crucial times. Although you do seem much improved.
Agreed - One of our major problems in recent years is free kick take conversion. We need a free kick robot like Dean Rock!
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
Connolly's influence in last years final is overrated and is growing legs. Dublin haven't performed to the best of their ability in any of the All Ireland finals under Jim Gavin. Last weekend was a similar type of performance, plenty of good individuals not playing well but the team getting the job done without impressing. I think this could be the year that Dublin finally click in All Ireland final and win by a bit to spare which hasn't happened since the 70s.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2018, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
Connolly's influence in last years final is overrated and is growing legs. Dublin haven't performed to the best of their ability in any of the All Ireland finals under Jim Gavin. Last weekend was a similar type of performance, plenty of good individuals not playing well but the team getting the job done without impressing. I think this could be the year that Dublin finally click in All Ireland final and win by a bit to spare which hasn't happened since the 70s.
Well, having been there and watched it in full twice in the following few days, it was my opinion that his contribution was crucial, but it's all about opinions and I could be biased towards Diarmo.
I did think at one stage this year that this could be a handy All Ireland, in that we could win every game handily enough. I don't think that now. But if it does work out that way, I don't think it'll be because we've improved on previous years.
We will win if Con tracks his man 8)
Dublin had an extremely poor performance last week against Donegal. Apart from Howard, Rock and McCarthy I don't think a single Dublin player played at even 80% of their capability and yet won without difficulty and missed a ridiculous amount of chances against the Ulster champions.
If for no other reason than to shut up all the people who say Dublin only win because of Croke Park I hope Dublin go out and repeat last years result.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2018, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
Connolly's influence in last years final is overrated and is growing legs. Dublin haven't performed to the best of their ability in any of the All Ireland finals under Jim Gavin. Last weekend was a similar type of performance, plenty of good individuals not playing well but the team getting the job done without impressing. I think this could be the year that Dublin finally click in All Ireland final and win by a bit to spare which hasn't happened since the 70s.
no it's not..they simply wouldn't have won it without him coming on. Dublin were a completely different team with him in the 2nd half, chalk and cheese. Mayo were blowing them away until Connolly was introduced.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 19, 2018, 09:53:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
I was listening to Parkinson's podcast and he mentioned a stat that fits the highlighted bits very well. Dublin were turned over 15 times on Saturday and only turned Donegal on half as many occasions. This indicates that Donegal should be kicking themselves that they didn't get something from the game, especially considering the form of Kilkenny et al.
I still think Dublin will win this but my only morsel of hope is the Dubs will have a below par performance and give up possession like they did on Saturday. Donegal have a better attack than us (when McBrearty is there), however, we are a better team at turning ball over, and more importantly hurting teams on the break.
Should be a good game. My thoughts on team are along these lines:
Morgan
Hampsey
McNamee
McKernan
McCann
Burns
Harte
Colm
McShane
Donnelly
Sludden
Meyler
Bradley
Ritchy D
McAliskey
17-11 according to this
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiUdnyIW0AUC31V.jpg)
Quote from: JoG2 on July 19, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2018, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
Connolly's influence in last years final is overrated and is growing legs. Dublin haven't performed to the best of their ability in any of the All Ireland finals under Jim Gavin. Last weekend was a similar type of performance, plenty of good individuals not playing well but the team getting the job done without impressing. I think this could be the year that Dublin finally click in All Ireland final and win by a bit to spare which hasn't happened since the 70s.
no it's not..they simply wouldn't have won it without him coming on. Dublin were a completely different team with him in the 2nd half, chalk and cheese. Mayo were blowing them away until Connolly was introduced.
You see this is the type of overrating I am talking about. Mayo led by one point before Connolly was introduced. Donal Vaughan foolishly getting himself sent off was the biggest influence on that final.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2018, 02:31:32 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 19, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 19, 2018, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 19, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Connolly was absolutely key to winning the All Ireland last year. Gavin didn't want to bring him on but was big enough to realise we weren't going to win without him (and we wouldn't have). The question is whether there is anyone this year as good as Mayo were last year in that final.
While Howard and Scully deservedly got a lot of praise for their performances last week, what has been lost among all the nonsense about the 10 last minutes of the Donegal game, is how below par Dublin were overall. Con's worst game in a Dublin jersey. Probably Kilkenny's worst game too (scored 1 point from 6 shots). Mannion didnt get a kick. They were the 3 guys supposed to get all our scores from play, but got one between them.
Fenton was very good in the second half, but he had a poor first half. O'Sullivan played like someone who hadnt started a game in a long time. We lost a heap of ball cheaply. We weren't good. But Donegal were worse. Unable to capitalise on our performance. I'd say partly due to no McBrearty, partly due to us not allowing McHugh free reign, and partly due to them not having a positive enough approach.
So for Dublin, it'll be whether that will be a kick up the backside we need, or whether there is the start of a slow downward spiral. We do have Costello to come in for one of the 3 misfiring lads and he seems to be hot. Kev Mac dependable to make an impact too. Please jaysus we won't see O'Gara, but Gavin sometimes seems to think he's suited to Tyrone.
Playing without an orthodox full back since O'Carroll left has never caught us out. But if other teams can get us 2-on-2 the way Donegal did (thankfully Murphy was never one of those 2), we will eventually pay as we've no defender particularly good under a high ball.
Connolly's influence in last years final is overrated and is growing legs. Dublin haven't performed to the best of their ability in any of the All Ireland finals under Jim Gavin. Last weekend was a similar type of performance, plenty of good individuals not playing well but the team getting the job done without impressing. I think this could be the year that Dublin finally click in All Ireland final and win by a bit to spare which hasn't happened since the 70s.
no it's not..they simply wouldn't have won it without him coming on. Dublin were a completely different team with him in the 2nd half, chalk and cheese. Mayo were blowing them away until Connolly was introduced.
You see this is the type of overrating I am talking about. Mayo led by one point before Connolly was introduced. Donal Vaughan foolishly getting himself sent off was the biggest influence on that final.
Mayo will rue the fact that they went in only a score up when they were much superior to Dublin until Connolly was introduced.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on July 19, 2018, 01:39:33 PM
Dublin had an extremely poor performance last week against Donegal. Apart from Howard, Rock and McCarthy I don't think a single Dublin player played at even 80% of their capability and yet won without difficulty and missed a ridiculous amount of chances against the Ulster champions.
If for no other reason than to shut up all the people who say Dublin only win because of Croke Park I hope Dublin go out and repeat last years result.
You guys keep missing the point, Dublin are a great team & would, most likely, win no matter where they played. The problem we have is with Croke Park who keep loading the dice against everyone else in the interests of making money.
If we have a problem with Dubs it is that they keep defending the indefensible & say that nothing is wrong.
The Dubs playing so poorly and yet still winning so easily pours cold water on the idea that the juggernaut is falling back into the trailing pack. Scully and Howard's preformance show that the Dublin poor mouthing of "once in a lifetime generation" isn't going to cut it either.
Can't believe the hype built around this Tyrone team in only 12 short months since a humiliation by Dublin. Our tactics are pretty much the "Harte system" plus Ritchie Donnelly. To date we haven't beaten a single division 1 team in championship 2018 yet you're all dreaming of a Tyrone win.
Where does your optimism spring from?
Will Dublin be abiding by the 4 steps rule Saturday?
Will anyone?
Quote from: trileacman on July 19, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
The Dubs playing so poorly and yet still winning so easily pours cold water on the idea that the juggernaut is falling back into the trailing pack. Scully and Howard's preformance show that the Dublin poor mouthing of "once in a lifetime generation" isn't going to cut it either.
Can't believe the hype built around this Tyrone team in only 12 short months since a humiliation by Dublin. Our tactics are pretty much the "Harte system" plus Ritchie Donnelly. To date we haven't beaten a single division 1 team in championship 2018 yet you're all dreaming of a Tyrone win.
Where does your optimism spring from?
That's one way of looking at it. Alternatively we've spent the best part of 2-3 years hammering nearly everyone who is outside the top 3 in the country and bar last years annihilation by Dublin, we competed quite well v Mayo and Kerry. So one very bad performance in the best part of 3 years is the focus for everyones doom and gloom. Maybe, just maybe, the Dubs were at the absolute top of their game last summer and would have hammered anyone that day. Maybe we just weren't prepared for the Dubs to rip apart our gameplan and had no plan b. Maybe we weren't quite as bad as last year looked and with a years progression and at home we might just be a little bit closer this time around with (hopefully) an adjusted gameplan and a few upgrades on the pitch. Or maybe we will get hammered out the gate again - but sure wheres the craic in being so pessimistic?
Many would say Dublin really peaked last year v Tyrone as in that was their best performance for years
Tyrone could get know where near them as they moved the ball so fast from side to side until an opening occurred.
In the final they did not have to perform to that level.
Dublin knew that for a year or two all the media and country were asking is this Tyrone system the one to make the breakthrough with Dublin and they really rose to the challenge.
I'm hoping they fall back a bit this time in their efforts and don't have the same hunger to work so hard.
Tyrone surely will have to give it their all in this game and throw the kitchen sink at them. They know they cannot go into the last game away to Donegal hoping to win there. If we beat the Dubs at all, surely a low points defeat in Donegal will be enough with our high score difference after Roscommon.
There is a chat show on in Sallys at 2pm and then another one in Rue Main Street at 3.30pm if anyone is about.
Odds on Tyrone/Dublin final?
Quote from: trileacman on July 19, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
The Dubs playing so poorly and yet still winning so easily pours cold water on the idea that the juggernaut is falling back into the trailing pack. Scully and Howard's preformance show that the Dublin poor mouthing of "once in a lifetime generation" isn't going to cut it either.
Can't believe the hype built around this Tyrone team in only 12 short months since a humiliation by Dublin. Our tactics are pretty much the "Harte system" plus Ritchie Donnelly. To date we haven't beaten a single division 1 team in championship 2018 yet you're all dreaming of a Tyrone win.
Where does your optimism spring from?
Quote from: redzone on July 19, 2018, 05:28:22 PM
Quote from: trileacman on July 19, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
The Dubs playing so poorly and yet still winning so easily pours cold water on the idea that the juggernaut is falling back into the trailing pack. Scully and Howard's preformance show that the Dublin poor mouthing of "once in a lifetime generation" isn't going to cut it either.
Can't believe the hype built around this Tyrone team in only 12 short months since a humiliation by Dublin. Our tactics are pretty much the "Harte system" plus Ritchie Donnelly. To date we haven't beaten a single division 1 team in championship 2018 yet you're all dreaming of a Tyrone win.
Where does your optimism spring from?
The optimism comes from the fact we are getting the Dubs in a big game away from Croke Park. Omagh is no fortress for us, but it certainly levels the playing field better than playing in CP. Someone above said about last year and he was 100% right, the Dubs had their best game of the year, Tyrone their worst, so inevitably it was going to be a hammering.
Personally I see a tight, dogged niggly game. This is a game that even if we lose we send out a marker that if we meet again later on that we're ready. Still expect Tyrone to eke out a 1 or 2 point game.
Given that Tyrone have struggled for so many years now to beat a top team in Croke Park, Omagh might be a factor if Dublin underperform and this could be their chance.
Anyone know when was our last victory over Dublin in Omagh? I'm thinking back through the league matches and we lost to them this year and also the battle of Omagh ( well on the scoreboard anyway).
I'm not being defeatist it's the populist attitude that gets me. We were hyped to the hilt last year mostly by those in the media then we lost to the best Dublin side to ever take the field and all of a sudden we're shite, players not good enough, managers a bollix, systems all wrong. That permeated through a league where we played quite well at times but still the analysts in the media and observers here were writing us off. We played very positively against Monaghan and lost due to the excellence of Mc manus and again those supposedly in the know saw it as our final demise. The gusty display against a wounded Meath was wrote off as being very lucky. The demolition of Cork was put down to them being shite despite it being our best performance of the season. Then a similar result against Ros suddenly leapfrogs us ahead of Donegal in the rankings and gets us talked up to defeat a Dublin side wiping away all before them.
There's just such poor analysis of teams at present that it fucks me off. I'd look forward to us playing against Kerry, Galway, Monaghan on any pitch on any day but it just the way people don't realise how teams are trailing in Dublin's wake at the minute. Donegal played very little beneath themselves the last day and Dublin tore them up even allowing themselves to be sloppy in front of goal and loose with a few passes. They demolished Donegal's game plan but all media analysts can reach for us the ould "ah these dongeal boys didn't turn up."
you would pass as a Dublin supporter
Quote from: trileacman on July 19, 2018, 07:00:06 PM
Anyone know when was our last victory over Dublin in Omagh? I'm thinking back through the league matches and we lost to them this year and also the battle of Omagh ( well on the scoreboard anyway).
I'm not being defeatist it's the populist attitude that gets me. We were hyped to the hilt last year mostly by those in the media then we lost to the best Dublin side to ever take the field and all of a sudden we're shite, players not good enough, managers a bollix, systems all wrong. That permeated through a league where we played quite well at times but still the analysts in the media and observers here were writing us off. We played very positively against Monaghan and lost due to the excellence of Mc manus and again those supposedly in the know saw it as our final demise. The gusty display against a wounded Meath was wrote off as being very lucky. The demolition of Cork was put down to them being shite despite it being our best performance of the season. Then a similar result against Ros suddenly leapfrogs us ahead of Donegal in the rankings and gets us talked up to defeat a Dublin side wiping away all before them.
There's just such poor analysis of teams at present that it f**ks me off. I'd look forward to us playing against Kerry, Galway, Monaghan on any pitch on any day but it just the way people don't realise how teams are trailing in Dublin's wake at the minute. Donegal played very little beneath themselves the last day and Dublin tore them up even allowing themselves to be sloppy in front of goal and loose with a few passes. They demolished Donegal's game plan but all media analysts can reach for us the ould "ah these dongeal boys didn't turn up."
Tbf bar that first 5 minute burst, Tyrone never looked like beating Monaghan.
1 N Morgan
2 M McKernan
3 R McNamee
4 HP McGeary
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 P Harte
8 C Cavanagh
9 P Hampsey
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 C Meyler
13 C McShane
14 R Donnelly
15 C McAliskey
16 M O'Neill
17 M Bradley
18 L Brennan
19 R Brennan
20 H Loughran
21 C McCann
22 D McClure
23 A McCrory
24 K McGeary
25 P McNulty
26 R O'Neill
only 8 of that team started last year's AISF. A very different Tyrone team.
2017 team
Tyrone: Niall Morgan; Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNamee, Cathal McCarron; Tiernan McCann, Padraig Hampsey; Peter Harte; Colm Cavanagh, Conall McCann; David Mulgrew, Niall Sudden, Kieran McGeary; Mark Bradley, Sean Cavanagh, Matthew Donnelly.
Hard to believe Tyrone went into the All Ireland semi final against dublin last year confident they could beat them when they had Aidan McCrory and Conall McCann starting.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
Many would say Dublin really peaked last year v Tyrone as in that was their best performance for years
Tyrone could get know where near them as they moved the ball so fast from side to side until an opening occurred.
In the final they did not have to perform to that level.
Dublin knew that for a year or two all the media and country were asking is this Tyrone system the one to make the breakthrough with Dublin and they really rose to the challenge.
I'm hoping they fall back a bit this time in their efforts and don't have the same hunger to work so hard.
Tyrone surely will have to give it their all in this game and throw the kitchen sink at them. They know they cannot go into the last game away to Donegal hoping to win there. If we beat the Dubs at all, surely a low points defeat in Donegal will be enough with our high score difference after Roscommon.
There is a chat show on in Sallys at 2pm and then another one in Rue Main Street at 3.30pm if anyone is about.
"Many would say"!! Game over after 3 minutes and beaten by 12 points and you are trying to rewrite history by saying that Tyrone were the team to beat in the eyes of the Dubs last year. You say Dublin didn't have to perform in the final to the same level as they beat Mayo by 1 point. Yeah right.
Quote from: spuds on July 20, 2018, 01:05:48 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
Many would say Dublin really peaked last year v Tyrone as in that was their best performance for years
Tyrone could get know where near them as they moved the ball so fast from side to side until an opening occurred.
In the final they did not have to perform to that level.
Dublin knew that for a year or two all the media and country were asking is this Tyrone system the one to make the breakthrough with Dublin and they really rose to the challenge.
I'm hoping they fall back a bit this time in their efforts and don't have the same hunger to work so hard.
Tyrone surely will have to give it their all in this game and throw the kitchen sink at them. They know they cannot go into the last game away to Donegal hoping to win there. If we beat the Dubs at all, surely a low points defeat in Donegal will be enough with our high score difference after Roscommon.
There is a chat show on in Sallys at 2pm and then another one in Rue Main Street at 3.30pm if anyone is about.
"Many would say"!! Game over after 3 minutes and beaten by 12 points and you are trying to rewrite history by saying that Tyrone were the team to beat in the eyes of the Dubs last year. You say Dublin didn't have to perform in the final to the same level as they beat Mayo by 1 point. Yeah right.
;D
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2018, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: spuds on July 20, 2018, 01:05:48 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
Many would say Dublin really peaked last year v Tyrone as in that was their best performance for years
Tyrone could get know where near them as they moved the ball so fast from side to side until an opening occurred.
In the final they did not have to perform to that level.
Dublin knew that for a year or two all the media and country were asking is this Tyrone system the one to make the breakthrough with Dublin and they really rose to the challenge.
I'm hoping they fall back a bit this time in their efforts and don't have the same hunger to work so hard.
Tyrone surely will have to give it their all in this game and throw the kitchen sink at them. They know they cannot go into the last game away to Donegal hoping to win there. If we beat the Dubs at all, surely a low points defeat in Donegal will be enough with our high score difference after Roscommon.
There is a chat show on in Sallys at 2pm and then another one in Rue Main Street at 3.30pm if anyone is about.
"Many would say"!! Game over after 3 minutes and beaten by 12 points and you are trying to rewrite history by saying that Tyrone were the team to beat in the eyes of the Dubs last year. You say Dublin didn't have to perform in the final to the same level as they beat Mayo by 1 point. Yeah right.
;D
I wonder if this is a proper grudge match for Tyrone? ;D
Some recent stats on Dublin and Tyrone
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/rock-and-mcaliskey-lead-way-in-scoring-charts-for-their-counties
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 20, 2018, 06:44:56 AM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2018, 01:51:40 AM
Quote from: spuds on July 20, 2018, 01:05:48 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 19, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
Many would say Dublin really peaked last year v Tyrone as in that was their best performance for years
Tyrone could get know where near them as they moved the ball so fast from side to side until an opening occurred.
In the final they did not have to perform to that level.
Dublin knew that for a year or two all the media and country were asking is this Tyrone system the one to make the breakthrough with Dublin and they really rose to the challenge.
I'm hoping they fall back a bit this time in their efforts and don't have the same hunger to work so hard.
Tyrone surely will have to give it their all in this game and throw the kitchen sink at them. They know they cannot go into the last game away to Donegal hoping to win there. If we beat the Dubs at all, surely a low points defeat in Donegal will be enough with our high score difference after Roscommon.
There is a chat show on in Sallys at 2pm and then another one in Rue Main Street at 3.30pm if anyone is about.
"Many would say"!! Game over after 3 minutes and beaten by 12 points and you are trying to rewrite history by saying that Tyrone were the team to beat in the eyes of the Dubs last year. You say Dublin didn't have to perform in the final to the same level as they beat Mayo by 1 point. Yeah right.
;D
I wonder if this is a proper grudge match for Tyrone? ;D
No nothing comes close to the grudge match of the year in Tyrone v Roscommon.
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Fake news :D
Quote from: hardstation on July 20, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Can't believe that's a story. Happens all the time.
Yeah it does alright but mostly a soccer thing, you don't hear it happening too much in the old GAA
More cheating to try and beat the Dubs.
Change the rules.
Change the pitch dimensions
What next, Mass poisonings
Tyrone were abysmal last year.
Zonal marking was dreadful . There was no leadership. Intensity wasn't up to scratch.
Mickey's tactics were overwhelmed. Tyrone couldn't respond on the day.
It will be interesting to see what Tyrone can do this weekend.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2018, 10:47:55 AM
More cheating to try and beat the Dubs.
Change the rules.
Change the pitch dimensions
What next, Mass poisonings
Mass for special intentions, more like. There'll be a few candles lit tonight as well. ;)
Tyrone are treating this like an All Ireland final whilst for Dublin it's just part of a mini series of League matches enroute to a semi final. If Tyrone fail to win this it could backfire.
Mulligan talking about hostile atmosphere's, pitch narrowing and Harte watching reruns over again of last years semi final shows how much of an obsession that Dublin have become for Tyrone. And that is just the stuff that we know about. Unfortunately for Tyrone even if they win this match it will only get them into a semi final however, they are in danger of throwing too much energy into a mid season match.
Supporters also in danger of getting carried away by the hype similar to before last years semi final appearing not to recognise that it's not even a knockout match.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 20, 2018, 11:12:15 AM
Tyrone are treating this like an All Ireland final whilst for Dublin it's just part of a mini series of League matches enroute to a semi final. If Tyrone fail to win this it could backfire.
Mulligan talking about hostile atmosphere's, pitch narrowing and Harte watching reruns over again of last years semi final shows how much of an obsession that Dublin have become for Tyrone. And that is just the stuff that we know about. Unfortunately for Tyrone even if they win this match it will only get them into a semi final however, they are in danger of throwing too much energy into a mid season match.
Aye but sure if we aren't going to win the All Ireland then we'll take beating the Dubs in Omagh as a bit of a one off victory. Sure what should we do just forfeit the game? GAA fans are more f**kin negative than any of the football played on the pitch.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 20, 2018, 11:12:15 AM
Tyrone are treating this like an All Ireland final whilst for Dublin it's just part of a mini series of League matches enroute to a semi final. If Tyrone fail to win this it could backfire.
Mulligan talking about hostile atmosphere's, pitch narrowing and Harte watching reruns over again of last years semi final shows how much of an obsession that Dublin have become for Tyrone. And that is just the stuff that we know about. Unfortunately for Tyrone even if they win this match it will only get them into a semi final however, they are in danger of throwing too much energy into a mid season match.
Supporters also in danger of getting carried away by the hype similar to before last years semi final appearing not to recognise that it's not even a knockout match.
Ah here that's nonsense. Course they are putting big effort into it. I'd be annoyed as a supporter if they just accepted their lot like too many other counties. I'm glad they are analyzing ways to beat the Duds. You seem to be making this out to be a bad thing. Dublin are that far ahead of the chasing pack that it will take something special to beat them and that won't just happen by luck. Take some of the stories you hear in the media with a pinch of salt. But teams don't get many chances to play Dublin outside their own backyard in Championship so Tyrone are right to look at how best to beat then when the opportunity arises. It's not just a mid season match, if they win it they're in a Semi final. Loses and they only have one more chance to qualify and that will be another equally tough game in my opinion.
As for supporters getting carried away, that's neither here or there. That will be their own look out if they end up with egg on their face, but will have zero impact as to the result of the game.
Fair play TrueBlue but you can just hear the jealousy in the previous posts
Loads of counties would give their left eye to get a chance to play the Dubs in their own home ground on a proper championship match. These are the AI champs who are going for three in a f**king row and many would say are a professional outfit so of course you are gonna leave no stone unturned.
I am delighted we're making it into our biggest match in years and for me living in Dublin for 22 years its a massive game. For years I've been slagging my Dub mates that they dont really know what its like to play a full gung ho championship game away from home when the ref, umpires, fans, stewards and everyone seem to be against you.
The Dubs are coming to this game in their thousands so you can see what it means to them and whilst I've heard it here all week that it might do "US" no harm to lose we'll still come back and beat ye in the final.
Personally I think we have a chance but I've also been to enough Dubs matches (and Tyrone) to see things go tits up and when they get a goal the belief and swagger comes back into their veins
However, should we be right in their faces with a nasty atmosphere from the crowd, then how do the Dubs react when they miss a few chances. Does the uneasiness within the fans start to creep onto the pitch?
Do usually simple shots suddenly be questioned in their minds and so they pass the buck to someone else?
This is what all the extra "nonsense" can cause. Doubt in players minds. If the Dubs don't get a few early scores or that all important goal that gets their fans singing then what happens?
It's gas how many of us GAA fans (maybe just Irish people) are so superstitious and really believe crap like
"Ah don't be too positive or talk your team up in case of a heavy fall"
The element of begrudgery is unreal
Id say there are loads like Syphilis and Seafoid who would in a way love to see us beat the Dubs but will also take great pleasure in us losing as SOME of us fans think we might have a chance.
Its like the kinda want England to get to a WC final but lose mindset yet 2 months later they're supporting ManU
If Harte and the squad wasn't watching videos of Dublin and trying to spot weaknesses I'd be very worried but then again maybe that's why Armagh and some other counties are happy to stay at that level.
I think my biggest disappointment on Sat evening is gonna be seeing so much blue in Healy park and not enough red and white. The fans need to wake the hell up and give something back to the team and not be just whingy old men and women.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 20, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
As for supporters getting carried away, that's neither here or there. That will be their own look out if they end up with egg on their face, but will have zero impact as to the result of the game.
This is completely correct. ALL of us will have experienced the unexpected defeat of our county team at some point - even the Dubs aren't (or weren't) immune there.
Omagh is really gearing up for this match - I see the council have a special page on FB promoting the local businesses who are getting into the spirit and a fanzone in Main St.
Dublin visitors - call up and see Garvaghey on the way up the road on Saturday. It'll look much better in the summer than in the dark of winter.
Have two spare tickets for the game if anyone is interested
Have a mattress on the floor for any travelling Dublin fans that have nowhere to stay. Should be a great night craic!
Any word on McCarron's injury?
The main problem for Tyrone last year in this fixture was they were more worried about Dublin and how to stop them than playing to their own strengths and looking to rattle Dublin. Look at Mayo time and time again over the last few years Dublin have fallen over the line in games against them why? because Mayo stood up to them showed them little respect and got in their faces from the get go
This is hugely important game for Tyrone to show where they really are. Playing at home with last years defeat still fresh in the memories should produce a big reaction. A win for Tyrone will prove they are true contenders for the All Ireland for the first time in a number of years but another defeat with Dublin winning by a bit to spare will prove that Tyrone have repeated the same mistakes and aren't going to learn from them.
Quote from: Helpline on July 20, 2018, 01:50:20 PM
Have a mattress on the floor for any travelling Dublin fans that have nowhere to stay. Should be a great night craic!
I've a stable if any of ye want it.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on July 20, 2018, 02:51:53 PM
The main problem for Tyrone last year in this fixture was they were more worried about Dublin and how to stop them than playing to their own strengths and looking to rattle Dublin. Look at Mayo time and time again over the last few years Dublin have fallen over the line in games against them why? because Mayo stood up to them showed them little respect and got in their faces from the get go
This is hugely important game for Tyrone to show where they really are. Playing at home with last years defeat still fresh in the memories should produce a big reaction. A win for Tyrone will prove they are true contenders for the All Ireland for the first time in a number of years but another defeat with Dublin winning by a bit to spare will prove that Tyrone have repeated the same mistakes and aren't going to learn from them.
No pressure on Tyrone then ;)
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 20, 2018, 10:47:55 AM
More cheating to try and beat the Dubs.
Change the rules.
Change the pitch dimensions
What next, Mass poisonings
Most of the Dub team don't go to Mass
Cant believe the welcome some Tyrone people are giving the Dubs.
Do you not understand the less of them come up the less of them are there to help win the battle.
Luckily I've found some contacts in Armagh GAA circles to help us block them getting over the border
I asked them could they paint red hands on the roofs. ;D
(https://i2.wp.com/cdn-04.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/article30416703.ece/a09a6/AUTOCROP/w620/NWS_2014-07-09_NEW_004_32248383_I1.JPG)
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2018, 03:27:38 PM
Cant believe the welcome some Tyrone people are giving the Dubs.
Do you not understand the less of them come up the less of them are there to help win the battle.
Luckily I've found some contacts in Armagh GAA circles to help us block them getting over the border
I asked them could they paint red hands on the roofs. ;D
(https://i2.wp.com/cdn-04.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/article30416703.ece/a09a6/AUTOCROP/w620/NWS_2014-07-09_NEW_004_32248383_I1.JPG)
That's our defensive line on Saturday night.
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
I heard that the Dubs have been playing their A v B games on a narrow pitch this week so they might be prepared for Omagh.
Quote from: Helpline on July 20, 2018, 01:50:20 PM
Have a mattress on the floor for any travelling Dublin fans that have nowhere to stay. Should be a great night craic!
Sure leave a roll of tinfoil out beside the mattress and most Dubs will feel right at home.
Ahh now greatpoint that is not funny and below the line.
Back to the game and I'd love to see Johnny Cooper and McMahon getting their come uppance
Cooper got Bradley sent off for nothing last year in the league and he's always up to something.
I'd say Richie Donnelly must be relishing this season as he probably always believed he could be a good player but often was in and out and always seemed injured and a bit like Mattie, it was hard to know where his best position was. But a bit like Cormac McAnallen going to full back, Richie seems to be settling into the roll well and it will be interesting on Sunday to see do the Dubs leave two men on him or risk him being left one on one.
A small but interesting point I noticed from last week's game was that one time he turned his man I think and he was either tripped or fell but he got up again really quickly and accelerated away. His overall game has improved and he's allowing Skeet and McShane or whoever is in there a lot more freedom rather than just Bradley there last year as a decoy forward. ;-)
I bring my kids to loads of Dubs game in Croker and far too often its game over by half time and half the fans stay at the bar for the first 20 mins of the 2nd half. My kids are bored with it now and so I think even they would like to see a good tough game with something a bit different thrown in to test them.
My attitude is "to hell with the Donegal game" and just go full on to beat the Dubs with whatever it takes
It seems a luxury that we can leave our best two forwards on the bench to come in and run at them the way the Dubs used to bring in McManoman and Co.
Mannion could be the winning and losing of the game in my eyes. I've watched him loads and he can be an awesome player on his day and he's got better in recent years but I do think he can be got at and his game can be upset and frustrated.
No doubt when we lose there will be loads of "Told you so" posters on here delighted to see us fall off our high horses again but at least we have the chance to try to joust with maybe the best team ever. Id like to call out those such posters now before the game and say who do they WANT to win and so they can't have it both ways and be happy afterwards.
OMG what if its a draw. LOL.
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 20, 2018, 06:41:50 PM
Ahh now greatpoint that is not funny and below the line.
Back to the game and I'd love to see Johnny Cooper and McMahon getting their come uppance
Cooper got Bradley sent off for nothing last year in the league and he's always up to something.
I'd say Richie Donnelly must be relishing this season as he probably always believed he could be a good player but often was in and out and always seemed injured and a bit like Mattie, it was hard to know where his best position was. But a bit like Cormac McAnallen going to full back, Richie seems to be settling into the roll well and it will be interesting on Sunday to see do the Dubs leave two men on him or risk him being left one on one.
A small but interesting point I noticed from last week's game was that one time he turned his man I think and he was either tripped or fell but he got up again really quickly and accelerated away. His overall game has improved and he's allowing Skeet and McShane or whoever is in there a lot more freedom rather than just Bradley there last year as a decoy forward. ;-)
I bring my kids to loads of Dubs game in Croker and far too often its game over by half time and half the fans stay at the bar for the first 20 mins of the 2nd half. My kids are bored with it now and so I think even they would like to see a good tough game with something a bit different thrown in to test them.
My attitude is "to hell with the Donegal game" and just go full on to beat the Dubs with whatever it takes
It seems a luxury that we can leave our best two forwards on the bench to come in and run at them the way the Dubs used to bring in McManoman and Co.
Mannion could be the winning and losing of the game in my eyes. I've watched him loads and he can be an awesome player on his day and he's got better in recent years but I do think he can be got at and his game can be upset and frustrated.
No doubt when we lose there will be loads of "Told you so" posters on here delighted to see us fall off our high horses again but at least we have the chance to try to joust with maybe the best team ever. Id like to call out those such posters now before the game and say who do they WANT to win and so they can't have it both ways and be happy afterwards.
OMG what if its a draw. LOL.
I would like to see Tyrone beat the Dubs but I can't see it happening.
The Dubs remind me of Kilkenny in 2008 or 09.
It took a very very talented Tipp team to push them off their fukcing perch in 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztFiCl_r20&t=132s
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Why?
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 20, 2018, 07:54:25 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Why?
Looks like it's bollix anyway...
https://twitter.com/weejimjim/status/1020379885146173441?s=09
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Not any more egg than Kildare would have had after throwing their toys out of the pram about having to play Mayo in CP.
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 20, 2018, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Not any more egg than Kildare would have had after throwing their toys out of the pram about having to play Mayo in CP.
I line the pitch sometimes and it's a cardinal sin among us linemen to do that
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
These Armagh ones are very worried about how Tyrone supporters will feel in the event of a loss. Touching really.
I really hope Tyrone play well because another hammering would just expose how rotten the game actually is and turn a lot of fans off
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2018, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
What stood out for me last year was how Dublin stretched Tyrone from sideline to sideline, allowing 1 on 1s when they went for it and exposing our defenders' inability to handle that.
It'd be interesting to see how much narrower Healy Park is compared to Croke Park. Need to get the groundsman out and bring in the sidelines a further 5 metres on either side!
It was you!!!
Quote from: redzone on July 20, 2018, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on July 20, 2018, 09:15:15 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Not any more egg than Kildare would have had after throwing their toys out of the pram about having to play Mayo in CP.
I line the pitch sometimes and it's a cardinal sin among us linemen to do that
Would it not need taken in anyway at the far side so that the camber is no longer in the playing area?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 20, 2018, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
These Armagh ones are very worried about how Tyrone supporters will feel in the event of a loss. Touching really.
That egg could inflict serious harm...it's no yoke!
Every Tyrone person I have talked too expects Tyrone to win this game, mostly the arrogance breaking out I know but The Dubs were nothing great against Donegal last weekend and they don't have the comforts of Croke park this weekend. Its simple Dublin can lose this game and still win the All Ireland as for Tyrone they need to go out and prove they are more than just a flat track bully.
The Dubs are getting into the spirit of things.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/sport/dublin-tyrone-tickets-sold-out-14916870.amp
"People outside Dublin please stop moaning about Dubs not travelling."
Let that now be a warning for the culchies. Good man Alex Dunne you tell them!
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 20, 2018, 11:39:00 PM
Every Tyrone person I have talked too expects Tyrone to win this game, mostly the arrogance breaking out I know but The Dubs were nothing great against Donegal last weekend and they don't have the comforts of Croke park this weekend. Its simple Dublin can lose this game and still win the All Ireland as for Tyrone they need to go out and prove they are more than just a flat track bully.
Can't see it myself. The only daycent team we played this year was Monaghan and we got bate. Dublin only blowing out the cobwebs last week.
Quote from: ONeill on July 20, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 18, 2018, 01:29:09 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 18, 2018, 01:22:54 PM
What stood out for me last year was how Dublin stretched Tyrone from sideline to sideline, allowing 1 on 1s when they went for it and exposing our defenders' inability to handle that.
It'd be interesting to see how much narrower Healy Park is compared to Croke Park. Need to get the groundsman out and bring in the sidelines a further 5 metres on either side!
It was you!!!
Last time I was in Healy Park was about 4 weeks ago at the Omagh u8 tournament. Was throwing abuse at the Hill team. They started it, handbags an all.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 20, 2018, 10:17:10 PM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
These Armagh ones are very worried about how Tyrone supporters will feel in the event of a loss. Touching really.
They've nothing else to think about between the world cup ending and the premiership starting.
Cluxton is obviously a great player but i think he could be a liability if targeted right
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Perhaps Armagh should narrow their pitch next time out against Tyrone in an effort to keep the margin of defeat below 15 points? ;)
Just hope we smash them
Quote from: under the bar on July 21, 2018, 12:43:05 AM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Perhaps Armagh should narrow their pitch next time out against Tyrone in an effort to keep the margin of defeat below 15 points? ;)
Tyrone should try their usual trick of flooding the pitch.
Quote from: rrhf on July 21, 2018, 01:40:51 AM
Just hope we smash them
Smashing them literally is what would open it up. ;)
Big prize win and final place awaits imo.
Quote from: armaghniac on July 21, 2018, 01:58:28 AM
Quote from: under the bar on July 21, 2018, 12:43:05 AM
Quote from: CornUladh02 on July 20, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Quote from: illdecide on July 20, 2018, 09:23:09 AM
I see in today's paper Tyrone have narrowed the pitch in to try and limit the Dubs attacking wide players :-\
Tyrone will have some egg on their face after doing this and still being the wrong end of the result tomorrow evening.
Perhaps Armagh should narrow their pitch next time out against Tyrone in an effort to keep the margin of defeat below 15 points? ;)
Tyrone should try their usual trick of flooding the pitch.
It's no coincidence the hosepipe ban ended this week.
Draw. Maybe just maybe Tyrone by 1.
Tyrone by 6 in a very subdued Dubs performance.
Dubs by 4
Dubs team for tonight
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dubs-named-for-super-8s-battle-in-omagh
COYBIB
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Dubs team for tonight
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dubs-named-for-super-8s-battle-in-omagh
COYBIB
Are you travelling HIB?
I am - more in hope than expectation.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 21, 2018, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 21, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Dubs team for tonight
https://www.dublingaa.ie/news/dubs-named-for-super-8s-battle-in-omagh
COYBIB
Are you travelling HIB?
FTB, do you think the game will go ahead, even at at this stage?
If anyone needs a ticket PM me. Can collect at Birches or H Park.
Apparently the pitch is only 30m wide
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on July 21, 2018, 01:53:27 PM
I am - more in hope than expectation.
That don't impress me much, seriously (sorry Shania). ;)
Dublin by 3 in a horrible game!
Dublin by 7.
Dublin fans are really really letting themselves down at the Gortin road end. Trying to break into stand to get to the bar.
Baton rounds.
Apparently it's discrimination that their terrace tickets aren't getting them into the stand.
Any links for this?
It doesn't have the fell of a special occasion, dead atmosphere through the telly.
Ref not know what a black card is?
Good job the waterban is lifted; that pitch is a patchwork quilt
Better stuff now
Those frees have to go over if you want to beat Dublin.
Ref abit shy in the card dept!McMahon; McGeary both should had cards by now@
That was a big chance for McShane. Dublin then go up and get a point.
Its very noticable the big difference between the teams; is that Tyrone handpass coming up the field whereas Dublin kickpass it
Tyrone need to have a go here, they have nothing to lose but seem very nervous about committing men forward.
More negative shite.
Dave coldrick forget his black card?
Coldrick is a dose
What is the name of the feckin bar on one end? My head is wrecked trying to translate
Hes forgot his cards; am its semi assault to get a free for both sides
Was that wide?
If hawkeye was there it would probably touch the imaginary post.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 21, 2018, 07:32:49 PM
What is the name of the feckin bar on one end? My head is wrecked trying to translate
;D Doing my head in also. I think it says Sallys.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on July 21, 2018, 07:32:49 PM
What is the name of the feckin bar on one end? My head is wrecked trying to translate
Sallys
http://www.sallysofomagh.com/
Paul Early eventually works out how McNamee got the injury.
Tyrone still in this, surely Dublin won't lose their one away game?
Ref doing himself no favours in this one either, though in fairness this particular buachaill doesn't have to, invariably.
Dublin are toying with them
Any wee bit of contact on a dub and it's a free or advantage but Tyrone players dragged about and nothing. Twice Dublin touched it on the ground and nothing. f**king joke shop useless ****.
Tyrone again playing way too deep; then again Dublins best scorer Mannion spending alot of time in his own defence!
Quote from: inthrough on July 21, 2018, 07:27:33 PM
Tyrone need to have a go here, they have nothing to lose but seem very nervous about committing men forward.
Go full kitchen sink! Tyrone are setup as usual, not sure if nerves have anything to do with their setup tonight
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
Any wee bit of contact on a dub and it's a free or advantage but Tyrone players dragged about and nothing. Twice Dublin touched it on the ground and nothing. f**king joke shop useless ****.
He's as good / as bad for both
Blame the ref Jayo? He should black carded McCann early doors!
Rubbish he's as bad for both. Dubs getting everything
It's taking a fair bit of class to get a score from play in this one.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 21, 2018, 07:48:44 PM
Blame the ref Jayo? He should black carded McCann early doors!
Just about mccann. That point he hit he was being dragged but no advantage. Its typical shite against the dubs.
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
Any wee bit of contact on a dub and it's a free or advantage but Tyrone players dragged about and nothing. Twice Dublin touched it on the ground and nothing. f**king joke shop useless ****.
Wise up.
He should have black carded at least 2 if not 3 Tyrone men.
A bad ref for sure, but bad for both teams. No way is he favouring the dubs
Coldrick's a proud Meath man.
He hates both teams equally.
Eh three black cards? You haven't a clue of the rules. Mccann arguably but would have been harsh. The Howard point the Tyrone man that could have got to him was blocked off the ball. Technically that's a black but wasn't even a free.
Quote from: southderryman on July 21, 2018, 07:49:55 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
Any wee bit of contact on a dub and it's a free or advantage but Tyrone players dragged about and nothing. Twice Dublin touched it on the ground and nothing. f**king joke shop useless ****.
Wise up.
He should have black carded at least 2 if not 3 Tyrone men.
A bad ref for sure, but bad for both teams. No way is he favouring the dubs
Any other day Colm cavanagh would have been lined
O'Callaghan should have had a free for a push on the back but the same happened Sludden with Mannion pushing him. The narrow calls are benefitting Dublin in general though, Richie Donnelly was very unlucky not to have won a 20m free when McCaffrey was hanging out of his neck at one stage, Dublin won the turnover and scored down at the other end. In a tight game things like that are a killer. The O'Sullivan handling it on the ground was well in Morgan's range too.
Hopefully Coldrick improves in the second half and these things balance out.
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 07:51:47 PM
Eh three black cards? You haven't a clue of the rules. Mccann arguably but would have been harsh. The Howard point the Tyrone man that could have got to him was blocked off the ball. Technically that's a black but wasn't even a free.
Wise up
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 07:51:47 PM
Eh three black cards? You haven't a clue of the rules. Mccann arguably but would have been harsh. The Howard point the Tyrone man that could have got to him was blocked off the ball. Technically that's a black but wasn't even a free.
I haven't a clue?
Go away for a lie down
Senan Connell needs to shut up.
I actually hit mute when he starts up
Come on Tyrone! Once more unto the breech!
Come On You Boys in White.
Quote from: joemamas on July 21, 2018, 07:56:43 PM
Senan Connell needs to shut up.
I actually hit mute when he starts up
He's hard to listen to alright
Quote from: glens73 on July 21, 2018, 07:42:55 PM
Dublin are toying with them
Dublin look the more likely but "toying"? I don't think so.
Didn't take him long to start in the second half either.
Quote from: inthrough on July 21, 2018, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: glens73 on July 21, 2018, 07:42:55 PM
Dublin are toying with them
Dublin look the more likely but "toying"? I don't think so.
I think they can step it up at any moment
Oh wait, they have
Cam i ask why Hampsey and not Donnelly is midfield? Hes no where near physical fit for McCarthy
Rigged shite.
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
Rigged shite.
You're a complete clown if you think Colm didn't foul there. Pretty stupid too after a good tackle
Quote from: Hound on July 21, 2018, 08:14:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
Rigged shite.
You're a complete clown if you think Colm didn't foul there. Pretty stupid too after a good tackle
Cooper can hang of skeet in the square and nothing given but any touch from tyrone is a free. Clown.
Coldrick has been a clown.
Take of F Burns; your best player???
This is terrible, no fight or legs left in Tyrone.
Now Cooper hanging off Bradley and nothing given. w**ker.
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 21, 2018, 08:14:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
Rigged shite.
You're a complete clown if you think Colm didn't foul there. Pretty stupid too after a good tackle
Cooper can hang of skeet in the square and nothing given but any touch from tyrone is a free. Clown.
Good man. Ignore every time a Dub doesn't get a free! Colm still not carded despite countless fouls. You'd have to be a complete knob to think the ref is biased. Congrats!!!
Coldrick is pathetic
Jeez Tyrone working hard for frees
Not fair
And I hate the tyronnie fkers
Quote from: Hound on July 21, 2018, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:16:04 PM
Quote from: Hound on July 21, 2018, 08:14:44 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:13:13 PM
Rigged shite.
You're a complete clown if you think Colm didn't foul there. Pretty stupid too after a good tackle
Cooper can hang of skeet in the square and nothing given but any touch from tyrone is a free. Clown.
Good man. Ignore every time a Dub doesn't get a free! Colm still not carded despite countless fouls. You'd have to be a complete knob to think the ref is biased. Congrats!!!
Go eat a box of c**k.
The Dubs should start playing keep ball soon
Mcgeary dragged down and nothing. It's every play now.
Wahaaaah. A free.
Tyrone are better than last year but no cigar . That leaves Kerry, Galway and Monaghan. Can any of them beat Dublin ?
Not a chance
Jayop; although right on last point; stop posting on this game; its insulting to normal tyrone posters
Anyone who thinks the Dubs didn't earn frees easier in this one: you know who to send your shekels to.
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:25:30 PM
Wahaaaah. A free.
Missed the penalty, exact same scenario inside the box at the same time. Free in when it should have been a free out then too for the pick up.
Quote from: seafoid on July 21, 2018, 08:26:25 PM
Tyrone are better than last year but no cigar . That leaves Kerry, Galway and Monaghan. Can any of them beat Dublin ?
I dont think so. From this game and last week it looks like Dublin have another couple of gears if they need them
Quote from: glens73 on July 21, 2018, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: inthrough on July 21, 2018, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: glens73 on July 21, 2018, 07:42:55 PM
Dublin are toying with them
Dublin look the more likely but "toying"? I don't think so.
I think they can step it up at any moment
Nobody "toying" with anyone now.
Oh wait, they have
How anyone can watch this and say its fair is beyond me. Two frees we didn't get there. Both easy scores.
Cluxton's radar gone haywire the last 10 minutes.
No chirping about cards there??
Very soft Tyrone free!
If Tyrone had more lads who could kick points they'd have the game well won
Delighted with Tyrone here. Should have won this had we got a fair crack of the whip. Two penalties we should have had and countless frees.
Nothing changes. Same old same old. Dublin have destroyed this sport.
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 08:38:07 PM
Nothing changes. Same old same old. Dublin have destroyed this sport.
One man destroyed rhus game although he might as well have worn blue.
Dubs are no great shakes out of Croker
Tyrone come very good last 10mins but why are Dublin f**king around holding possession and messing about from the 60th min! There be more than 10pts in it if it was in Croke park!
Only 3 points in it but Dublin never looked like losing. They seem content to just do enough at the minute.
Boom!
Better team lost that game. Robbed.
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2018, 08:38:07 PM
Nothing changes. Same old same old. Dublin have destroyed this sport.
I'd rather watch Dublin than watch Roscommon any day of the week.
A jammy goal and awful decisions from the ref cost us that win.
So we now know that Dublin are a lot more vulnerable playing away championship games. If someday we get a fair referee they might be beatable by someone.
Lack of quality free taker since Canavan continues to cost us.
Coldrick was biased towards the Dubs which certainly didn't help either.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 21, 2018, 08:40:14 PM
Only 3 points in it but Dublin never looked like losing. They seem content to just do enough at the minute.
Rubbish, Dublin were in trouble & Tyrone were on top & had they scored that easy free it would have been a one point game.
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
Better team lost that game. Robbed.
Ha Ha ;D
Those 10 wides the ref kicked. What as arsehole!
Jonny Cooper's deadly. Best defender in the country
Quote from: Hound on July 21, 2018, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:40:40 PM
Better team lost that game. Robbed.
Ha Ha ;D
Those 10 wides the ref kicked. What as arsehole!
No the two pens and endless frees we didn't get was down to the ref.
You're a complete whopper. Blinder than that **** with the whistle.
Paint drying would be a better watch ;
Do refs always give the dubs the important calsl - seen a number of frees for pulls etc when tyrone were on the attack but no free and ball turned over;
And when theyre playing back are the allowed an extra step/few seconds than any other team?
Scoring 4-24 and 3-20 counts for nothing up against a hard hitting Dublin team! Dublin will play an entire reserve team next week and rest their players for the semi! Donegal havent lost in Ballybofey in a long time i think, Tyrone could be in trouble! Had McBearty been fit Donegal would have been massive favourites!
Johnny Cooper is the best fouler in the country , he never gets caught. It's beyond ridiculous
Quote from: Jayop on July 21, 2018, 08:42:24 PM
A jammy goal and awful decisions from the ref cost us that win.
What time did you hit the cough medicine today?? Tyrone gave it a lash, a good physical encounter, but Dublin won the game handy enough. So many of their key players pretty much going through the motions, which is the scary thing for the other teams in the championship
Quote from: Hound on July 21, 2018, 08:44:23 PM
Jonny Cooper's deadly. Best defender in the country
He was excellent tonight
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 21, 2018, 08:45:34 PM
Scoring 4-24 and 3-20 counts for nothing up against a hard hitting Dublin team! Dublin will play an entire reserve team next week and rest their players for the semi! Donegal havent lost in Ballybofey in a long time i think, Tyrone could be in trouble! Had McBearty been fit Donegal would have been massive favourites!
Same thing was said for the Division 1 relegation decided against Mayo earlier this year. But the same way as then, Donegal don't have to lose to go out a draw will do Tyrone
Dublin are class. An absolutely brilliant team of footballers and athletes who barely make mistakes under pressure (bar the odd kick out). They have a great knack of keeping a team at arms length then scoring a crucial goal to kill a game. Having said that, I was delighted with Tyrone's desire not to give up and I feel they wanted to keep it tight then hammer the hammer in the final 10. Was removing the 2 sweepers a preplanned gameplan because all of a sudden we looked like the handbrake was off. Kieran McGeary was superb when he came in. A major improvement on last year and move on to Ballybofey.
I think Donegal stronger than Tyrone and Monaghan better than both!
It took a dodgy ref but Dublin have their first championship win away in 12 years. It would be great if they could build on this.
Not unhappy after that performance. We have that exta gear. Just need to know how to shoot in the big games. Need Lee Brennan back.
If we feel aggrieved after that reffing display, imagine how Mayo feel after the constant pulling back of runners in the finals.
What this match proves is that if you weather that energy sapping spell in the second half where Dublin pass it around for 10-15 minutes(zzzzz), you have a chance.
Will be a tough ask to qualify now but if we do, I'd fancy ust to take Dublin in the final-it-s like another piece of the jigsaw every time we play them.
Dublin are juiced up to the hilt.
It's time someone said it.
It's fairly obvious watching that.
Pace pace pace all night long.
At least we all know jayop knows nothing about football.
Coldrick should maybe take a wee break, and actually (re)read the rules -- impartiality really is so important for the man-in-the-middle. Joke.
Dubs now are nowhere near as invincible as they might recently have been, though that's not to say they"ll be easily beaten, but unbeatable they most certainly aren't. :)
Quote from: highorlow on July 21, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Dublin are juiced up to the hilt.
It's time someone said it.
It's fairly obvious watching that.
Pace pace pace all night long.
You can't be saying things like that. A lot of them Dublin lads came from respectable rugby schools where that sort of thing would be frowned upon.
has anyone asked jayop what he thought of the ref? ;D
Thought Dublin were comfortable enough, but a bit of slackness let Tyrone back into it. Dublin seemed to have the ability to push on, but didn't. Looked more content to empty the bench and give a few more lads a run out. That's Donegal and Tyrone beat without looking under any real pressure. Barring the start of the first half they weren't behind Tyrone on the scoreboard.
Coldrick had a poor game, missed a lot of frees both ways. Didn't look like he wanted to dish out the cards when they would have been merited.
Tyrone should be more annoyed about the missed shots and the shot selection from their players. Didn't think O'Neill should have hit the final free after just coming on to the pitch.
I suppose not a bad performance from Tyrone. Definitely better than last year. More control and less of a gap to the Dubs.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 21, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
Dublin fans are really really letting themselves down at the Gortin road end. Trying to break into stand to get to the bar.
Bulls**t. One of those "fans" was an elderly man out hospital who just wanted tea &a sandwich. He was manhandled by Gestapo stewards and only when he demanded the cops be called did they back off. Scumbags on a power trip some of the stewed. Head steward eventually arrived and he was the only one who was polite and helpful
Dubs did their homework. Tyrone's 2 fine successes from the last game, Sludden and R Donnelly, were completely nullified.
Quote from: Estimator on July 21, 2018, 08:59:24 PM
Thought Dublin were comfortable enough, but a bit of slackness let Tyrone back into it. Dublin seemed to have the ability to push on, but didn't. Looked more content to empty the bench and give a few more lads a run out. That's Donegal and Tyrone beat without looking under any real pressure. Barring the start of the first half they weren't behind Tyrone on the scoreboard.
Coldrick had a poor game, missed a lot of frees both ways. Didn't look like he wanted to dish out the cards when they would have been merited.
Tyrone should be more annoyed about the missed shots and the shot selection from their players. Didn't think O'Neill should have hit the final free after just coming on to the pitch.
They still haven't got out of second gear yet. If they come up against a battle hardened Kerry/Monaghan/Galway team in the semi final they will need to switch on but sometime bad habits can develop when playing so far inside their comfort zone.
Dublin inside forward line not firing which is worrying. Got no protection from the ref (which unsurprisingly jayop and the crybaby lillies didn't notice) but that's the way Coldrick was playing it. Generally took a high tackle to get a free, most of the rest he let go. Couple of very cynical fouls by Cav in first half when goal chances looked on, but that's the way it goes sometimes
That was a super cameo by McGeary. Dubs backs very good and Fenton good and Howard deservedly man of the match. I prefer Macauley in midfield rather than McCarthy
I said this last year but my theory is that Dublin have a gameplan to try and break the line of defence and if the can't they try to engineer a free. They have become experts at making the slightest touch look like a legitimate foul without over egging the theatrics. It works on two levels as it puts a defence on egg shells not to tackle and it wins frees for a machine like Rock to keep the scoreboard ticking over, which is spirit breaking for teams who generally have to work so hard to get scores themselves.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 21, 2018, 09:03:47 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 21, 2018, 08:59:24 PM
Thought Dublin were comfortable enough, but a bit of slackness let Tyrone back into it. Dublin seemed to have the ability to push on, but didn't. Looked more content to empty the bench and give a few more lads a run out. That's Donegal and Tyrone beat without looking under any real pressure. Barring the start of the first half they weren't behind Tyrone on the scoreboard.
Coldrick had a poor game, missed a lot of frees both ways. Didn't look like he wanted to dish out the cards when they would have been merited.
Tyrone should be more annoyed about the missed shots and the shot selection from their players. Didn't think O'Neill should have hit the final free after just coming on to the pitch.
They still haven't got out of second gear yet. If they come up against a battle hardened Kerry/Monaghan/Galway team in the semi final they will need to switch on but sometime bad habits can develop when playing so far inside their comfort zone.
I don't understand how anyone can say if a team got out of second gear or not. Dublin went into that match with the intention of annihalating Tyrone as always. They found scoring opportunities hard to come by because of good defending and tracking. What Dublin have in their artillary is the knowledge on how to see out a game when it's in the mix, using whatever method. Tyrone had them rattled which, for a team on the road several weeks on the trot to do so, is good news for challengers.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 21, 2018, 09:03:47 PM
Quote from: Estimator on July 21, 2018, 08:59:24 PM
Thought Dublin were comfortable enough, but a bit of slackness let Tyrone back into it. Dublin seemed to have the ability to push on, but didn't. Looked more content to empty the bench and give a few more lads a run out. That's Donegal and Tyrone beat without looking under any real pressure. Barring the start of the first half they weren't behind Tyrone on the scoreboard.
Coldrick had a poor game, missed a lot of frees both ways. Didn't look like he wanted to dish out the cards when they would have been merited.
Tyrone should be more annoyed about the missed shots and the shot selection from their players. Didn't think O'Neill should have hit the final free after just coming on to the pitch.
They still haven't got out of second gear yet. If they come up against a battle hardened Kerry/Monaghan/Galway team in the semi final they will need to switch on but sometime bad habits can develop when playing so far inside their comfort zone.
What a load of bollocks. They were at the pin of their collar this evening.
Dublin had to dig very deep into their considerable football reserves in Omagh this evening, and sure whoever thinks different is most welcome to those sentiments. 8)
Quote from: dublin7 on July 21, 2018, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 21, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
Dublin fans are really really letting themselves down at the Gortin road end. Trying to break into stand to get to the bar.
Bulls**t. One of those "fans" was an elderly man out hospital who just wanted tea &a sandwich. He was manhandled by Gestapo stewards and only when he demanded the cops be called did they back off. Scumbags on a power trip some of the stewed. Head steward eventually arrived and he was the only one who was polite and helpful
Nope. I was there and heard the whole thing. They were after the bar. Repeatedly they were shouting "do you not want our money??"
They were expecting a bar in the terrace and were caught out because they were stuck inside once they went in.
So take your lies away with you.
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Correct, I think on a full size pitch Dublin would've won by 10 or so.
Tyrone pushed hard but Dublin are still considerable ahead of them and as last week against Donegal once 5 up sorta stopped; dont know why this is; young OCallaghan stealing a living up in that forward line at the minute; not sure how hes starting in front of Costello, Dublin are building ahead of steam and now gearing to lift it for the semi@ but still not the team of 3/4 yrs ago with that classic Flynn; Kilkenny; Connolly; half forward line with Brogan inside!
Quote from: highorlow on July 21, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Dublin are juiced up to the hilt.
It's time someone said it.
It's fairly obvious watching that.
Pace pace pace all night long.
They have pace everywhere.
When they go, they go hard & fast.
Then someone else has a go.
It's not the same fella every time.
Not all of them are heavily built, that new lad could strip out for a u-16 team and not look outta place lol
Quote from: lenny on July 21, 2018, 09:33:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Correct, I think on a full size pitch Dublin would've won by 10 or so.
What are you spouting about man --- Healy Park is the same 86m in width as Croke itself?
You haven't been believing all that pitch-narrowing nonsense have you, seriously? :D
Healy park is not the same size as croke park pitch; doesnt even look it@ Donegal be biting at the bullet next week!
Coldrick is beyond facrical at this point. Some of the decisions of lack of were a disgrace.
You could maybe understand 1 or 2 but there had to at least a dozen and it was the timing of some of them were obviously there to kill Tyrone momentum.
In rugby Cian O'Sullivan would be facing a ban for his tackle on McGerary but what does he give.... a throw up ... while Tyrone were in the ascendansy.
Richie Donnelly gets his fingers taken of him while going down for a pick up and then gathers a bouncing ball only to be blown up for an off the ground right in front of the Tyrone posts...
This is all only the half of it of course but these tow in
How is allowed to referee intercounty games is beyond me, besides his actual abyssmal refereeing he is constantly behind the play and struggling for fitness
Should be brought out of the town in a car boot
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 21, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Dublin are juiced up to the hilt.
It's time someone said it.
It's fairly obvious watching that.
Pace pace pace all night long.
They have pace everywhere.
When they go, they go hard & fast.
Then someone else has a go.
It's not the same fella every time.
Ciaran Kilkenny is flat out all the time right up to the final whistle.
Dont think he's at anything tho just a physical freak and dedicated
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 21, 2018, 09:45:59 PM
Healy park is not the same size as croke park pitch; doesnt even look it@ Donegal be biting at the bullet next week!
FFS, check out your stats, and none of this anecdotal, apocryphal "look at it" nonsense.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 21, 2018, 09:38:59 PM
Quote from: highorlow on July 21, 2018, 08:54:16 PM
Dublin are juiced up to the hilt.
It's time someone said it.
It's fairly obvious watching that.
Pace pace pace all night long.
They have pace everywhere.
When they go, they go hard & fast.
Then someone else has a go.
It's not the same fella every time.
Is it not Clones?
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 21, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
Coldrick is beyond facrical at this point. Some of the decisions of lack of were a disgrace.
You could maybe understand 1 or 2 but there had to at least a dozen and it was the timing of some of them were obviously there to kill Tyrone momentum.
In rugby Cian O'Sullivan would be facing a ban for his tackle on McGerary but what does he give.... a throw up ... while Tyrone were in the ascendansy.
Richie Donnelly gets his fingers taken of him while going down for a pick up and then gathers a bouncing ball only to be blown up for an off the ground right in front of the Tyrone posts...
This is all only the half of it of course but these tow in
How is allowed to referee intercounty games is beyond me, besides his actual abyssmal refereeing he is constantly behind the play and struggling for fitness
Should be brought out of the town in a car boot
2 sides of coin though. Colm Cav v lucky twice in first half.
Quote from: hardstation on July 21, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
Tyrone not too far away and I feel they played the game too safe for the most part.
On a given day, from here on, they've a sniff.
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IF they meet again, it'll be a repeat of last year in Croke Pk. Tyrone simply don't have the spread of players to put the ball over the bar consistently. It's been their achilles heel for a good while. It was a very good hardy aul battle tonight.
In the modern era, for a team to go so many championship matches unbeaten is extraordinary.
Quote from: JoG2 on July 21, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on July 21, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
Tyrone not too far away and I feel they played the game too safe for the most part.
On a given day, from here on, they've a sniff.
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IF they meet again, it'll be a repeat of last year in Croke Pk. Tyrone simply don't have the spread of players to put the ball over the bar consistently. It's been their achilles heel for a good while. It was a very good hardy aul battle tonight.
In the modern era, for a team to go so many championship matches unbeaten is extraordinary.
You may well be right, but full credit to Tyrone for pushing such a great side to the limit.
Colm Cavanagh past his best unfortunately cost us some big scores when he went off and we started to go at Dublin looked like a different game...
When you strip it back (and leaving Coldrick out of it) Tyrone missed 2 easy frees (RoN and Skeet) + McShane made a total balls of his goal chance (wtf was he trying to do?) Add this to a lucky enough rebound out for the goal.....I'd say MH will take plenty of positives from the game.
He shouldnt be by his best; hes not playing a normal midfield role as he plays deep sweeper and does not mark anyone; an all star last year: poor game today though@ i thought the match up of Hampsey on McCarthy strange; Mattie Donnelly is not a wing player and needs accomodated down the centre
Dublin render Colm's role ineffective so he's never going to have the same influence against them, so we need to use him more effectively. I would have liked to see him thrown in full forward for 5-10 mins before taking him off.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 21, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
Cluxton's radar gone haywire the last 10 minutes.
Yeah it just shows when u push up man to man and go at them (as Mayo proved time and again) then they are very vulnerable. He had nothing hit in the last 10 min
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2018, 09:59:02 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 21, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
Coldrick is beyond facrical at this point. Some of the decisions of lack of were a disgrace.
You could maybe understand 1 or 2 but there had to at least a dozen and it was the timing of some of them were obviously there to kill Tyrone momentum.
In rugby Cian O'Sullivan would be facing a ban for his tackle on McGerary but what does he give.... a throw up ... while Tyrone were in the ascendansy.
Richie Donnelly gets his fingers taken of him while going down for a pick up and then gathers a bouncing ball only to be blown up for an off the ground right in front of the Tyrone posts...
This is all only the half of it of course but these tow in
How is allowed to referee intercounty games is beyond me, besides his actual abyssmal refereeing he is constantly behind the play and struggling for fitness
Should be brought out of the town in a car boot
His died black hair is cringe AF
Quote from: Gold on July 21, 2018, 10:30:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 21, 2018, 09:59:02 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 21, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
Coldrick is beyond facrical at this point. Some of the decisions of lack of were a disgrace.
You could maybe understand 1 or 2 but there had to at least a dozen and it was the timing of some of them were obviously there to kill Tyrone momentum.
In rugby Cian O'Sullivan would be facing a ban for his tackle on McGerary but what does he give.... a throw up ... while Tyrone were in the ascendansy.
Richie Donnelly gets his fingers taken of him while going down for a pick up and then gathers a bouncing ball only to be blown up for an off the ground right in front of the Tyrone posts...
This is all only the half of it of course but these tow in
How is allowed to referee intercounty games is beyond me, besides his actual abyssmal refereeing he is constantly behind the play and struggling for fitness
Should be brought out of the town in a car boot
His died black hair is cringe AF
The Traffic Wardens died black hair is cringe AF
McShane took a point on his left when he had a man inside with about 10 to go....wouldve put 2 in it. Margins
Quote from: larryin89 on July 21, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Johnny Cooper is the best fouler in the country , he never gets caught. It's beyond ridiculous
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
We will have to change the game plan a bit if we are to win an all Ireland. It's takes way to much out of the players hand passing up the field. Funny if we can get our best team out on the field the scores might be easier got in games like these. Brennan Bradley and k mcgeery all need to start the next day. Mcnamme more than likely out to. He's being picking up Murphy as well
Quote from: tyroneman on July 21, 2018, 10:18:40 PM
When you strip it back (and leaving Coldrick out of it) Tyrone missed 2 easy frees (RoN and Skeet) + McShane made a total balls of his goal chance (wtf was he trying to do?) Add this to a lucky enough rebound out for the goal.....I'd say MH will take plenty of positives from the game.
That's the bit that hurts. We could have won that. It was there for us.
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on July 21, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
Everyone knows how scummy Keegan is. First and only player to ever throw a GPS tracker in an attempt to distract a free taker.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 21, 2018, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on July 21, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
Everyone knows how scummy Keegan is. First and only player to ever throw a GPS tracker in an attempt to distract a free taker.
Why was Rocks free kick retaken and moved up today?
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 21, 2018, 08:42:33 PM
So we now know that Dublin are a lot more vulnerable playing away championship games. If someday we get a fair referee they might be beatable by someone.
Was the referee bribed? You should report to HQ
For a player being not the correct distance when he took the free,
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on July 21, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on July 21, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Johnny Cooper is the best fouler in the country , he never gets caught. It's beyond ridiculous
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
Does it every game
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 21, 2018, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 21, 2018, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on July 21, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
Everyone knows how scummy Keegan is. First and only player to ever throw a GPS tracker in an attempt to distract a free taker.
Why was Rocks free kick retaken and moved up today?
Tyrone player encroached the kicker...
Never seen that decision in an intercounty game before. Verbals.
Yes tyrone men could have seen black cards but had to work twice as hard as Dublin to get a free.
Thought mcshane was our best forward tonight.
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Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on July 21, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
Everyone knows how scummy Keegan is. First and only player to ever throw a GPS tracker in an attempt to distract a free taker.
Why was Rocks free kick retaken and moved up today?
A Tyrone player (Burns I think) moved marginally within 13 metres of the kick. Very rarely do you see them called back.
Was it not for mouthing at rock when he missed. Poor decision anyway
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Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on July 21, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
Everyone knows how scummy Keegan is. First and only player to ever throw a GPS tracker in an attempt to distract a free taker.
Why was Rocks free kick retaken and moved up today?
A Tyrone player (Burns I think) moved marginally within 13 metres of the kick. Very rarely do you see them called back.
Yeah was hp mcgeary. By letter of the law he was right
Quote from: An Watcher on July 21, 2018, 10:50:09 PM
Was it not for mouthing at rock when he missed. Poor decision anyway
No, movement. but that was typical of this buachaill's erratic application of the laws of the game, alas.
Why was he pencilled in for this Leinster neighbour's game, are we so bereft of alternatives?
Quote from: redzone on July 21, 2018, 10:35:02 PM
We will have to change the game plan a bit if we are to win an all Ireland. It's takes way to much out of the players hand passing up the field. Funny if we can get our best team out on the field the scores might be easier got in games like these. Brennan Bradley and k mcgeery all need to start the next day. Mcnamme more than likely out to. He's being picking up Murphy as well
Comedy gold.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on July 21, 2018, 10:47:33 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 21, 2018, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on July 21, 2018, 10:36:43 PM
Quote from: CumminsCiderLarry on July 21, 2018, 10:33:56 PM
Have yo ever watched leroy keegan off the ball. Pulled a dragged Michael Quinlivan a couple years ago. Ditto with paul murphy in semi final last year too.
Everyone knows how scummy Keegan is. First and only player to ever throw a GPS tracker in an attempt to distract a free taker.
Why was Rocks free kick retaken and moved up today?
A Tyrone player (Burns I think) moved marginally within 13 metres of the kick. Very rarely do you see them called back.
Yea he was acting the eejit and turned a miss into a point. You normally get away with that stuff at home though.
Quote from: redzone on July 21, 2018, 10:35:02 PM
We will have to change the game plan a bit if we are to win an all Ireland. It's takes way to much out of the players hand passing up the field. Funny if we can get our best team out on the field the scores might be easier got in games like these. Brennan Bradley and k mcgeery all need to start the next day. Mcnamme more than likely out to. He's being picking up Murphy as well
You were so certain of a Tyrone win before hand despite the evidence to the contrary. So of a sudden the game plan that was going to beat the dubs isn't up to standard anymore?
Analyse the game properly instead of clutching at the straws of Mc Geery and Bradley (who started last year in the hammering to Dublin) and lee Brennan.
Quote from: An Watcher on July 21, 2018, 10:47:25 PM
Never seen that decision in an intercounty game before. Verbals.
Yes tyrone men could have seen black cards but had to work twice as hard as Dublin to get a free.
Thought mcshane was our best forward tonight.
I wouldn't have him on the pitch, lazy, poor decision making, not sharp or smart enough
Tyrone need forget this game quickly and refocus on Donegal otherwise it all come a cropper in less than a week instead worrying about a match up down the line!
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Quote from: redzone on July 21, 2018, 10:35:02 PM
We will have to change the game plan a bit if we are to win an all Ireland. It's takes way to much out of the players hand passing up the field. Funny if we can get our best team out on the field the scores might be easier got in games like these. Brennan Bradley and k mcgeery all need to start the next day. Mcnamme more than likely out to. He's being picking up Murphy as well
You were so certain of a Tyrone win before hand despite the evidence to the contrary. So of a sudden the game plan that was going to beat the dubs isn't up to standard anymore?
Analyse the game properly instead of clutching at the straws of Mc Geery and Bradley (who started last year in the hammering to Dublin) and lee Brennan.
I was at the game and have said it before we need to go man to man on the kickouts.?Thats one change. Bradley and Brennan are scoring forwards we need them on. That's two changes. I'd said small changes. Remind we're I said I so confident of the game plan.
You should be sticking up for Lee as well, your club mate???
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 21, 2018, 11:16:16 PM
Tyrone need forget this game quickly and refocus on Donegal otherwise it all come a cropper in less than a week instead worrying about a match up down the line!
Jeez man, your stats are way off beam this evening -- Donegal game's in two weeks' time not one.
Lay off whatever you're smoking, or drinking.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 21, 2018, 11:16:16 PM
Tyrone need forget this game quickly and refocus on Donegal otherwise it all come a cropper in less than a week instead worrying about a match up down the line!
Luckily we're over a fortnight.
Exact same thing happened on the Ronan O'Neill free at the end.
Dubs moved inside to put him off - no retake on this occasion!
Goldrick has a terrible game and made some shocking calls
But the wide / retake Free were massive calls.
Too little to late for Tyrone in a game that Dublin controlled throughout and never looked like losing. Dublin have a few gears to go up yet while we have already seen the best of Tyrone and another All Ireland semi is about as far as they will likely go once again if they get that far this summer.
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 21, 2018, 11:29:45 PM
Exact same thing happened on the Ronan O'Neill free at the end.
Dubs moved inside to put him off - no retake on this occasion!
Goldrick has a terrible game and made some shocking calls
But the wide / retake Free were massive calls.
Didn't look like a wide to me.
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Quote from: sam03/05 on July 21, 2018, 11:29:45 PM
Exact same thing happened on the Ronan O'Neill free at the end.
Dubs moved inside to put him off - no retake on this occasion!
Goldrick has a terrible game and made some shocking calls
But the wide / retake Free were massive calls.
Didn't look like a wide to me.
It was over the post, which is a wide. Shame there's no hawk eye in omagh but these things happen.
At the game itself I was livid with Coldrick. Watched it again when I got home and I have cooled a bit. I still think he done us in on some big calls e.g. RoN's free, Ritchy pickup free was a clear foul beforehand by Dub going in with feet etc. However, it masks the main reason we were beat, our shooting. Some of it was down to superb pressure by the Dubs, however, we were guilty of going for some silly shots that should have been recycled.
All in all I'm happy with the progression. If RoN scored at the end it would have set up and interesting last two minutes but the Dubs were clinical in wrapping it up. They do all the small things so well. Very rarely make mistakes and have pace and power to burn. They remind me so much of the great Kilkenny hurling team.
Onwards to Ballybofey were I think we've got a great chance.
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Quote from: ONeill on July 22, 2018, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 21, 2018, 11:29:45 PM
Exact same thing happened on the Ronan O'Neill free at the end.
Dubs moved inside to put him off - no retake on this occasion!
Goldrick has a terrible game and made some shocking calls
But the wide / retake Free were massive calls.
Didn't look like a wide to me.
It was over the post, which is a wide. Shame there's no hawk eye in omagh but these things happen.
Was it over the post? I saw one replay and it was in.
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
At the game itself I was livid with Coldrick. Watched it again when I got home and I have cooled a bit. I still think he done us in on some big calls e.g. RoN's free, Ritchy pickup free was a clear foul beforehand by Dub going in with feet etc. However, it masks the main reason we were beat, our shooting. Some of it was down to superb pressure by the Dubs, however, we were guilty of going for some silly shots that should have been recycled.
All in all I'm happy with the progression. If RoN scored at the end it would have set up and interesting last two minutes but the Dubs were clinical in wrapping it up. They do all the small things so well. Very rarely make mistakes and have pace and power to burn. They remind me so much of the great Kilkenny hurling team.
Onwards to Ballybofey were I think we've got a great chance.
Agree but a very disappointing free from Ronan.
Quote from: ONeill on July 22, 2018, 12:03:47 AM
Quote from: sam03/05 on July 21, 2018, 11:29:45 PM
Exact same thing happened on the Ronan O'Neill free at the end.
Dubs moved inside to put him off - no retake on this occasion!
Goldrick has a terrible game and made some shocking calls
But the wide / retake Free were massive calls.
Didn't look like a wide to me.
It wasn't wide - i was in that corner and i'm convinced it was over
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
At the game itself I was livid with Coldrick. Watched it again when I got home and I have cooled a bit. I still think he done us in on some big calls e.g. RoN's free, Ritchy pickup free was a clear foul beforehand by Dub going in with feet etc. However, it masks the main reason we were beat, our shooting. Some of it was down to superb pressure by the Dubs, however, we were guilty of going for some silly shots that should have been recycled.
All in all I'm happy with the progression. If RoN scored at the end it would have set up and interesting last two minutes but the Dubs were clinical in wrapping it up. They do all the small things so well. Very rarely make mistakes and have pace and power to burn. They remind me so much of the great Kilkenny hurling team.
Onwards to Ballybofey were I think we've got a great chance.
Cooper commited a blatant push in the 2nd half and got away with what would have been a tap over free - dublin went straight down and scored. Aside from that he let a lot go but i was glad he did - really enjoyable 2nd half
What has Harte against Lee Brennan? He would have added more and slotted that free with easeand needed game time before Donegal
O'Neill has repeatedly let Tyrone down in crunch
situations and frees
But the fumbling and bad shot selection was a killer Not all Dub pressure by any means.
Colm Cavanagh had a dodgy game for the goal and one two points conceded but Frank Burns was outside and nowhere when McCarthy ran in and it was the same for Roscommon's second goal the week before He got a wonder point but must work with Colm on positioning as Peter Canavan said before the match tonight.
HP McGeary's lack of experience showed in giving Rock a second chance at that 50m free
Coldrick was a disgrace as many a time before Its bizarre how such crap reffing gets washed aside It cost Tyrone 3 points and also a penalty call with up front Kilkenny blocking tacklers allowing easier shots as he does
McAuley should get 3 months off Why can't officials communicate ( ask Kevin McStay)
Forgive the typo trying to come down after an annoying evening but still all Tyrone need is a draw up in Ballybofey. Thank God its two weeks away but the record up on yonder blasted heath is not good and Murphy looked good with McHugh today.
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Dublin fans are really really letting themselves down at the Gortin road end. Trying to break into stand to get to the bar.
Bulls**t. One of those "fans" was an elderly man out hospital who just wanted tea &a sandwich. He was manhandled by Gestapo stewards and only when he demanded the cops be called did they back off. Scumbags on a power trip some of the stewed. Head steward eventually arrived and he was the only one who was polite and helpful
Nope. I was there and heard the whole thing. They were after the bar. Repeatedly they were shouting "do you not want our money??"
They were expecting a bar in the terrace and were caught out because they were stuck inside once they went in.
So take your lies away with you.
No hot food on the terrace so when people went looking for it in the main stand the Gestapo stewards stepped in. I noticed none of them were around at the end to help with traffic getting out of the car park. Nightmare getting out.
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Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
At the game itself I was livid with Coldrick. Watched it again when I got home and I have cooled a bit. I still think he done us in on some big calls e.g. RoN's free, Ritchy pickup free was a clear foul beforehand by Dub going in with feet etc. However, it masks the main reason we were beat, our shooting. Some of it was down to superb pressure by the Dubs, however, we were guilty of going for some silly shots that should have been recycled.
All in all I'm happy with the progression. If RoN scored at the end it would have set up and interesting last two minutes but the Dubs were clinical in wrapping it up. They do all the small things so well. Very rarely make mistakes and have pace and power to burn. They remind me so much of the great Kilkenny hurling team.
Onwards to Ballybofey were I think we've got a great chance.
Cooper commited a blatant push in the 2nd half and got away with what would have been a tap over free - dublin went straight down and scored. Aside from that he let a lot go but i was glad he did - really enjoyable 2nd half
Tiernan McCann rugby tackled Philly McMahon to the ground in the 1st half. Black card all day long. How Colm Cavanagh got away with 2 cynical fouls is beyond me.
Dubs sat back when they went 6 up and nearly got caught out. Tyrone don't have a good enough forward line to win an all ireland. That free they missed at the end is unforgivable at that level.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on July 21, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
Dublin fans are really really letting themselves down at the Gortin road end. Trying to break into stand to get to the bar.
Bulls**t. One of those "fans" was an elderly man out hospital who just wanted tea &a sandwich. He was manhandled by Gestapo stewards and only when he demanded the cops be called did they back off. Scumbags on a power trip some of the stewed. Head steward eventually arrived and he was the only one who was polite and helpful
Nope. I was there and heard the whole thing. They were after the bar. Repeatedly they were shouting "do you not want our money??"
They were expecting a bar in the terrace and were caught out because they were stuck inside once they went in.
So take your lies away with you.
No hot food on the terrace so when people went looking for it in the main stand the Gestapo stewards stepped in. I noticed none of them were around at the end to help with traffic getting out of the car park. Nightmare getting out.
Lol hot food? Where do you think you were!? Anyway, I was standing beside them when it kicked off. I heard it all and it was nothing to do with food. They wanted to go to drink in the bar. Gestapo stewards are there to ensure that those who have a seated ticket won't lose their seat to gombeens with terrace tickets who walk onto the pitch to try to bull their way into the stand. They were absolutely right to stop you getting in. Funniest part was them screaming that they were being discriminated against!
I know the majority of Dublin fans are excellent gaels who would travel the country to watch their county but they were really let down tonight by that bunch of entitled thuggish idiots.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on July 21, 2018, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 21, 2018, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 21, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
Dublin fans are really really letting themselves down at the Gortin road end. Trying to break into stand to get to the bar.
Bulls**t. One of those "fans" was an elderly man out hospital who just wanted tea &a sandwich. He was manhandled by Gestapo stewards and only when he demanded the cops be called did they back off. Scumbags on a power trip some of the stewed. Head steward eventually arrived and he was the only one who was polite and helpful
Nope. I was there and heard the whole thing. They were after the bar. Repeatedly they were shouting "do you not want our money??"
They were expecting a bar in the terrace and were caught out because they were stuck inside once they went in.
So take your lies away with you.
No hot food on the terrace so when people went looking for it in the main stand the Gestapo stewards stepped in. I noticed none of them were around at the end to help with traffic getting out of the car park. Nightmare getting out.
Lol hot food? Where do you think you were!? Anyway, I was standing beside them when it kicked off. I heard it all and it was nothing to do with food. They wanted to go to drink in the bar. Gestapo stewards are there to ensure that those who have a seated ticket won't lose their seat to gombeens with terrace tickets who walk onto the pitch to try to bull their way into the stand. They were absolutely right to stop you getting in. Funniest part was them screaming that they were being discriminated against!
I know the majority of Dublin fans are excellent gaels who would travel the country to watch their county but they were really let down tonight by that bunch of entitled thuggish idiots.
The majority of Dublin fans are insufferable bandwagoners.
The only comments on this I will make are the Dubs are not only the best team in ireland they also have the best supporters in Ireland it's a pleasure to share a ground with them and it's also a pleasure to sing the national anthem with them and it will also be a pleasure to bate them in an All Ireland final. Come on the Dubs sorry Tyrone....
Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Any dick making comments like this has not a f**king clue. Dubs far from comfortable win and the one team they will want to see out of the hunt is Tyrone they would laugh their bollix off with Monaghan in an All Ireland final.
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Quote from: straightred on July 22, 2018, 12:56:40 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
At the game itself I was livid with Coldrick. Watched it again when I got home and I have cooled a bit. I still think he done us in on some big calls e.g. RoN's free, Ritchy pickup free was a clear foul beforehand by Dub going in with feet etc. However, it masks the main reason we were beat, our shooting. Some of it was down to superb pressure by the Dubs, however, we were guilty of going for some silly shots that should have been recycled.
All in all I'm happy with the progression. If RoN scored at the end it would have set up and interesting last two minutes but the Dubs were clinical in wrapping it up. They do all the small things so well. Very rarely make mistakes and have pace and power to burn. They remind me so much of the great Kilkenny hurling team.
Onwards to Ballybofey were I think we've got a great chance.
Cooper commited a blatant push in the 2nd half and got away with what would have been a tap over free - dublin went straight down and scored. Aside from that he let a lot go but i was glad he did - really enjoyable 2nd half
Tiernan McCann rugby tackled Philly McMahon to the ground in the 1st half. Black card all day long. How Colm Cavanagh got away with 2 cynical fouls is beyond me.
Dubs sat back when they went 6 up and nearly got caught out. Tyrone don't have a good enough forward line to win an all ireland. That free they missed at the end is unforgivable at that level.
Aye and if only you be let take a free you missed again twenty yards closer?? Nah only the dubs get that pleasure.
Quote from: Jayop on July 22, 2018, 02:57:44 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on July 22, 2018, 01:29:50 AM
Quote from: straightred on July 22, 2018, 12:56:40 AM
Quote from: omagh_gael on July 22, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
At the game itself I was livid with Coldrick. Watched it again when I got home and I have cooled a bit. I still think he done us in on some big calls e.g. RoN's free, Ritchy pickup free was a clear foul beforehand by Dub going in with feet etc. However, it masks the main reason we were beat, our shooting. Some of it was down to superb pressure by the Dubs, however, we were guilty of going for some silly shots that should have been recycled.
All in all I'm happy with the progression. If RoN scored at the end it would have set up and interesting last two minutes but the Dubs were clinical in wrapping it up. They do all the small things so well. Very rarely make mistakes and have pace and power to burn. They remind me so much of the great Kilkenny hurling team.
Onwards to Ballybofey were I think we've got a great chance.
Cooper commited a blatant push in the 2nd half and got away with what would have been a tap over free - dublin went straight down and scored. Aside from that he let a lot go but i was glad he did - really enjoyable 2nd half
Tiernan McCann rugby tackled Philly McMahon to the ground in the 1st half. Black card all day long. How Colm Cavanagh got away with 2 cynical fouls is beyond me.
Dubs sat back when they went 6 up and nearly got caught out. Tyrone don't have a good enough forward line to win an all ireland. That free they missed at the end is unforgivable at that level.
Aye and if only you be let take a free you missed again twenty yards closer?? Nah only the dubs get that pleasure.
well when a player blatantly and openly moves closer to the free kick than is allowed then what is supposed to happen??
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Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Any dick making comments like this has not a f**king clue. Dubs far from comfortable win and the one team they will want to see out of the hunt is Tyrone they would laugh their bollix off with Monaghan in an All Ireland final.
It was panic stations at the end during that Tyrone spell. Cluxton sending kickouts all over the shop.
Quote from: cjx on July 22, 2018, 01:06:08 AM
What has Harte against Lee Brennan? He would have added more and slotted that free with easeand needed game time before Donegal
O'Neill has repeatedly let Tyrone down in crunch
situations and frees
But the fumbling and bad shot selection was a killer Not all Dub pressure by any means.
Colm Cavanagh had a dodgy game for the goal and one two points conceded but Frank Burns was outside and nowhere when McCarthy ran in and it was the same for Roscommon's second goal the week before He got a wonder point but must work with Colm on positioning as Peter Canavan said before the match tonight.
HP McGeary's lack of experience showed in giving Rock a second chance at that 50m free
Coldrick was a disgrace as many a time before Its bizarre how such crap reffing gets washed aside It cost Tyrone 3 points and also a penalty call with up front Kilkenny blocking tacklers allowing easier shots as he does
McAuley should get 3 months off Why can't officials communicate ( ask Kevin McStay)
Forgive the typo trying to come down after an annoying evening but still all Tyrone need is a draw up in Ballybofey. Thank God its two weeks away but the record up on yonder blasted heath is not good and Murphy looked good with McHugh today.
What experience got to do with it?? He's played hundreds of games from he was a cub. Nothing to do with experience just pure stupidity.
Tyrone's finishing team quite strong and ran at Dublin hard causing problems. Dubs are unreal. Tyrone can make an all Ireland final. Need a draw in ballybofey
McCann"s foul in the first half was actually comical. It was made even better by his plea to Coldrick that he played the ball. Coldrick trying to keep up with some of the play was also comedy gold. 40 yards off on some occasions. Not his fault and he's lucky we live in an era where hand passing is king. Those long balls and breaks at pace left him flat footed to say the least
In a game like that there'll always be 50 50 calls but there is no doubt the dubs got a slight rub of the green. Moving the free in that they missed summed that up. You could easily move three or four in in any game for the same reason and it never happens ever. We never seem to get the rub of the green when coldrick is in charge, hate the sight of him.
Anyone who thinks Dublin won that in second gear is nuts. They looked comfortable with 15/20 minutes to go but were under huge pressure in the last tens minutes, you only need to watch cluxton kickouts to see that.
The goal was a huge score in the game. Tyrone have another bit to go yet but they've definitely narrowed the gap. Let's hope they can get the heads and bodies right for a big battle in ballybofey in two weeks.
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Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Correct, I think on a full size pitch Dublin would've won by 10 or so.
Pitch regulation size stupid comment
Quote from: cjx on July 22, 2018, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 21, 2018, 09:33:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Correct, I think on a full size pitch Dublin would've won by 10 or so.
Pitch regulation size stupid comment
But if the comment was changed from "full sized" to "bigger" the comment would be telling.
With an extra 4 metres of width Tyrone would need much more fitness to compete. That fitness didn't look there yesterday
Quote from: Captain Obvious on July 21, 2018, 11:54:50 PM
Too little to late for Tyrone in a game that Dublin controlled throughout and never looked like losing. Dublin have a few gears to go up yet while we have already seen the best of Tyrone and another All Ireland semi is about as far as they will likely go once again if they get that far this summer.
If you think for one minute that Dublin were in "control" of that game throughout then you need to lie down in a dark room for a while.
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Quote from: cjx on July 22, 2018, 09:24:02 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 21, 2018, 09:33:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on July 21, 2018, 09:29:21 PM
Excellent performance from the Dubs, they played really enjoyable and intelligent football. Tyrone (cliche alert) did ask a some questions, however, complaining about the ref's performance is missing in total the essential elements of why Dublin won, with relative ease.
Correct, I think on a full size pitch Dublin would've won by 10 or so.
Pitch regulation size stupid comment
But if the comment was changed from "full sized" to "bigger" the comment would be telling.
With an extra 4 metres of width Tyrone would need much more fitness to compete. That fitness didn't look there yesterday
...but Dublin wilted near the end and nearly lost it. A team can seem tired when they're chasing the game and the other team is playing keep ball. To sustain that and finish strong shows serious fitness, especially playing so many weekends on the trot.
I actually think a tighter pitch doesn't suit either of these teams and Harte alluded to that when he said he'd prefer to play in Croke Park.
It was a great relief to get out of Healy Park with a win last night. Tyrone finished very strong. Credit the Dubs though. They have been in that situation so many times before and have always come out on the right side of the result - surely the mark of a great team.
Fair dues to the good people of Omagh. They gave the Dublin supporters a great welcome.
Nights like last night will save the super 8s. Real parochial atmosphere at county level. Dubs supporters are great craic and make for a great occasion and it was nice of the players to meet supporters on the pitch after. It pull all the games but the dubs home games from Croker next year.
Tyrone did what Donegal didn't do last week. When Dublin tried the keep-ball, Tyrone pressed them and that was the end of that.
Dublin still too good for everyone, but the gap is closing. They closed down Sludden and never gave Richie Donnelly an inch.
Quote from: rrhf on July 22, 2018, 11:47:58 AM
Nights like last night will save the super 8s. Real parochial atmosphere at county level. Dubs supporters are great craic and make for a great occasion and it was nice of the players to meet supporters on the pitch after. It pull all the games but the dubs home games from Croker next year.
Super 8 is terrible Poor old Roscommon who needs that torture get it over with in 1
mind you if Kerry get beaten again today that would do no harm
Sky now control the size of pitch according to MH lol.
Quote from: skeog on July 22, 2018, 01:09:32 PM
Sky now control the size of pitch according to MH lol.
If Mickey Harte hadn't wanted the size of the pitch reduced by 5 metres then Mickey Harte would have got his way. Sky are a corporate monster but on this occasion Mickey Harte is sumply trying to insult people's intelligence.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 22, 2018, 01:09:32 PM
Sky now control the size of pitch according to MH lol.
If Mickey Harte hadn't wanted the size of the pitch reduced by 5 metres then Mickey Harte would have got his way. Sky are a corporate monster but on this occasion Mickey Harte is sumply trying to insult people's intelligence.
I should have taken a photo of it but it didn't look like the narrowed it very much at all, maybe 1 or 2 metres on each side at the most.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 22, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
Quote from: skeog on July 22, 2018, 01:09:32 PM
Sky now control the size of pitch according to MH lol.
If Mickey Harte hadn't wanted the size of the pitch reduced by 5 metres then Mickey Harte would have got his way. Sky are a corporate monster but on this occasion Mickey Harte is sumply trying to insult people's intelligence.
I had a wee laugh at it. I would never have thought of that excuse. I've been at sky matches all year and it's been tighter than that at the sideline, Brewster in particular. The gap at the sub benches side was more noticeable than the terrace last night.
I'm touched by the innocence of some hereon, who think that Sky is some manner of benevolent organisation, loath to dictate the terms of their corporate munificence. Bless.
I would have thought the whole sideline thing was all a bit of bollocksology to try and get an inch (or 4-6 metres as it turned out) of psychological advantage and make the Dubs know they werent at home and the game was being played on Tyrone's terms. Once the game starts though, it had absolutely no baring on the performances of either team or the result. But it's a great story for all the madcaps on here to go mental about as usual. I'm surprised there hasn't been a new thread about the death of the GAA as a result of this.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 22, 2018, 02:20:11 PM
Once the game starts though, it had absolutely no baring on the performances of either team or the result. But it's a great story for all the madcaps on here to go mental about as usual. I'm surprised there hasn't been a new thread about the death of the GAA as a result of this.
Only a personal opinion, but I thought it became a factor when Tyrone pushed up in the closing stages. They suffocated the area that was within sixty yards of Cluxton's kick outs and he ended up emptying one or two out over the sideline. And I say that as someone who has no issue with Tyrone bringing the sidelines in to suit themselves.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 22, 2018, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 22, 2018, 02:20:11 PM
Once the game starts though, it had absolutely no baring on the performances of either team or the result. But it's a great story for all the madcaps on here to go mental about as usual. I'm surprised there hasn't been a new thread about the death of the GAA as a result of this.
Only a personal opinion, but I thought it became a factor when Tyrone pushed up in the closing stages. They suffocated the area that was within sixty yards of Cluxton's kick outs and he ended up emptying one or two out over the sideline. And I say that as someone who has no issue with Tyrone bringing the sidelines in to suit themselves.
Yeah but, yeah, no -- Clucko's no shrinking violet when he has to aim those Exocets beyond the midfield altogether -- could the culchie atmosphere have muddled his decision making? ;)
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 22, 2018, 02:46:48 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 22, 2018, 02:20:11 PM
Once the game starts though, it had absolutely no baring on the performances of either team or the result. But it's a great story for all the madcaps on here to go mental about as usual. I'm surprised there hasn't been a new thread about the death of the GAA as a result of this.
Only a personal opinion, but I thought it became a factor when Tyrone pushed up in the closing stages. They suffocated the area that was within sixty yards of Cluxton's kick outs and he ended up emptying one or two out over the sideline. And I say that as someone who has no issue with Tyrone bringing the sidelines in to suit themselves.
So Cluxton's kick outs are so precise that they are judged to with inches of the dimensions of Croke Park and once he comes across a slightly narrower pitch he just kicks it over the sideline? Give your head a wobble. He's done that plenty when put under pressure at Croke Park too.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 22, 2018, 03:08:51 PM
So Cluxton's kick outs are so precise that they are judged to with inches of the dimensions of Croke Park and once he comes across a slightly narrower pitch he just kicks it over the sideline? Give your head a wobble. He's done that plenty when put under pressure at Croke Park too.
To be honest, I assumed the discussion had been referring to metres here and not inches. On that basis, if the pitch was indeed brought in a matter of 'inches', then you're right, it couldn't have been a factor.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 22, 2018, 03:19:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 22, 2018, 03:08:51 PM
So Cluxton's kick outs are so precise that they are judged to with inches of the dimensions of Croke Park and once he comes across a slightly narrower pitch he just kicks it over the sideline? Give your head a wobble. He's done that plenty when put under pressure at Croke Park too.
To be honest, I assumed the discussion had been referring to metres here and not inches. On that basis, if the pitch was indeed brought in a matter of 'inches', then you're right, it couldn't have been a factor.
Ok, I was being kind on giving him a few inches margin for error, so you reckon Cluxton can't judge with a margin for error of 4-6 metres on his kick outs? Maybe the pressure applied had more to do with it, his kick outs seemed fine in the first half.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 22, 2018, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 22, 2018, 03:19:36 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 22, 2018, 03:08:51 PM
So Cluxton's kick outs are so precise that they are judged to with inches of the dimensions of Croke Park and once he comes across a slightly narrower pitch he just kicks it over the sideline? Give your head a wobble. He's done that plenty when put under pressure at Croke Park too.
To be honest, I assumed the discussion had been referring to metres here and not inches. On that basis, if the pitch was indeed brought in a matter of 'inches', then you're right, it couldn't have been a factor.
Ok, I was being kind on giving him a few inches margin for error, so you reckon Cluxton can't judge with a margin for error of 4-6 metres on his kick outs? Maybe the pressure applied had more to do with it, his kick outs seemed fine in the first half.
Narrower pitch means less space for him to hit for players to run on to. It's not rocket science. That's what he likes to do with his kick outs. Harte blaming sky for narrowing the pitch is brilliant. Complete rubbish but vague enough to make it beliveable.
All the Tyrone fans blaming the red for losing is hilarious. Their defenders are better shooters than their forwards. No wonder he doesn't play more forwards if that's the best they have.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 22, 2018, 01:39:18 PM
I'm touched by the innocence of some hereon, who think that Sky is some manner of benevolent organisation, loath to dictate the terms of their corporate munificence. Bless.
I heard Rupert Murdoch personally got onto the county board.
It was Murdock who got onto the Co board.
Rupert Murdoch got onto the county board
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 10:34:44 PM
I heard Rupert Murdoch personally got onto the county board.
Rupert's denying all knowledge! (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sky-sports-deny-mickey-harte-claims-that-they-requested-narrower-pitch-37143693.html)
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 23, 2018, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 10:34:44 PM
I heard Rupert Murdoch personally got onto the county board.
Rupert's denying all knowledge! (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sky-sports-deny-mickey-harte-claims-that-they-requested-narrower-pitch-37143693.html)
There was no need for harte to say it.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 23, 2018, 08:07:21 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on July 23, 2018, 07:47:08 AM
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 10:34:44 PM
I heard Rupert Murdoch personally got onto the county board.
Rupert's denying all knowledge! (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/sky-sports-deny-mickey-harte-claims-that-they-requested-narrower-pitch-37143693.html)
There was no need for harte to say it.
Yeah, it all looks a bit silly now. No more interviews for Sky? :D
Very enjoyable reading this thread, it makes the victory so so much sweeter. Some of the comments are hiliarous and very funny how some people are so roiled up the greatest team to have played the game The Dubs.
Fair play to the real Tyrone fans in Omagh, good craic with them all day and night. A warm welcome and good people, pleasant and polite, not like the so called Gaels on this site, and also there was not a fight on a train in sight.
Whatever about the side lines being reduced, no nets behind the goals? Very dangerous during the warm ups with over 30 balls flying around at one end. A strong response from the GAA is needed here for safety reasons.
Dublin defence was the winning of the game, the forwards always get the credit but the defence was excellent, Cooper been consistently one of the best defenders in the country, you Murchan who looks like he's getting younger had a great game.
Ref had a great game and let a lot go. Let it flow.
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
Quote from: Jinxy on July 22, 2018, 10:34:44 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 22, 2018, 01:39:18 PM
I'm touched by the innocence of some hereon, who think that Sky is some manner of benevolent organisation, loath to dictate the terms of their corporate munificence. Bless.
I heard Rupert Murdoch personally got onto the county board.
Quote from: rrhf on July 23, 2018, 06:11:17 AM
It was Murdock who got onto the Co board.
Quote from: stephenite on July 23, 2018, 07:34:28 AM
Rupert Murdoch got onto the county board
WTF?
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 23, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Very enjoyable reading this thread, it makes the victory so so much sweeter. Some of the comments are hiliarous and very funny how some people are so roiled up the greatest team to have played the game The Dubs.
Fair play to the real Tyrone fans in Omagh, good craic with them all day and night. A warm welcome and good people, pleasant and polite, not like the so called Gaels on this site, and also there was not a fight on a train in sight.
Whatever about the side lines being reduced, no nets behind the goals? Very dangerous during the warm ups with over 30 balls flying around at one end. A strong response from the GAA is needed here for safety reasons.
Dublin defence was the winning of the game, the forwards always get the credit but the defence was excellent, Cooper been consistently one of the best defenders in the country, you Murchan who looks like he's getting younger had a great game.
Ref had a great game and let a lot go. Let it flow.
Omagh has never had any nets behind the goals. I dont think there is any in clones either?
The only reason they have them in croke park is to stop the dubs on the hill nicking the footballs ;)
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 23, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Very enjoyable reading this thread, it makes the victory so so much sweeter. Some of the comments are hiliarous and very funny how some people are so roiled up the greatest team to have played the game The Dubs.
Fair play to the real Tyrone fans in Omagh, good craic with them all day and night. A warm welcome and good people, pleasant and polite, not like the so called Gaels on this site, and also there was not a fight on a train in sight.
Whatever about the side lines being reduced, no nets behind the goals? Very dangerous during the warm ups with over 30 balls flying around at one end. A strong response from the GAA is needed here for safety reasons.
Dublin defence was the winning of the game, the forwards always get the credit but the defence was excellent, Cooper been consistently one of the best defenders in the country, you Murchan who looks like he's getting younger had a great game.
Ref had a great game and let a lot go. Let it flow.
Omagh has never had any nets behind the goals. I dont think there is any in clones either?
The only reason they have them in croke park is to stop the dubs on the hill nicking the footballs ;)
Bolllocks, theGreatest has a point! I remember a child getting an arm broken during an Armagh warm up in Clones several years ago due to no ball stoppers!!
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 23, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Very enjoyable reading this thread, it makes the victory so so much sweeter. Some of the comments are hiliarous and very funny how some people are so roiled up the greatest team to have played the game The Dubs.
Fair play to the real Tyrone fans in Omagh, good craic with them all day and night. A warm welcome and good people, pleasant and polite, not like the so called Gaels on this site, and also there was not a fight on a train in sight.
Whatever about the side lines being reduced, no nets behind the goals? Very dangerous during the warm ups with over 30 balls flying around at one end. A strong response from the GAA is needed here for safety reasons.
Dublin defence was the winning of the game, the forwards always get the credit but the defence was excellent, Cooper been consistently one of the best defenders in the country, you Murchan who looks like he's getting younger had a great game.
Ref had a great game and let a lot go. Let it flow.
Omagh has never had any nets behind the goals. I dont think there is any in clones either?
The only reason they have them in croke park is to stop the dubs on the hill nicking the footballs ;)
Really, strange that, however would be good to remove the Mayo coloured nets in Castlebar.
I think there was a few nicked on Saturday.
A couple of observations from the game at the weekend.
The Dubs need to be on the road a lot more. Their fans clearly enjoy it, and they create an atmosphere in the ground that is second to none.
Dublin play right on the edge. Tyrone just weren't dirty enough for them. They need to harden up.
MKcKernan and Burns are two quality ballers. Bradley caused problems when he was introduced.
R O'Neill - Jesus wept. That free was crucial and it popped our balloon, whether we would have got the equaliser who knows. But Cluxton was struggling to find a man at that stage, but he missed that free and it just took the wind out of our sails.
Cathal McShane - He's too lazy. Always looking the easy ball over the top when he can't win it.
Ciaran Kilkenny ain't all that.
Philly McMahon is the complete GAA athlete.
Tyrone are closer but not quite there.
Quote from: APM on July 23, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
I wouldn't share any of the optimism tyrone people seem to have picked up from this game. By narrowing the pitch significantly harte has more or less told his team that they can't compete with dublin on a big pitch like croke park. It was absolutely essential in the circumstances for tyrone to get a result. For dublin to win relatively comfortably is devastating for tyrone and I think they'll now really struggle v donegal.
:-X
Quote from: lenny on July 23, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: APM on July 23, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
I wouldn't share any of the optimism tyrone people seem to have picked up from this game. By narrowing the pitch significantly harte has more or less told his team that they can't compete with dublin on a big pitch like croke park. It was absolutely essential in the circumstances for tyrone to get a result. For dublin to win relatively comfortably is devastating for tyrone and I think they'll now really struggle v donegal.
Whatever about who asked for the pitch to be narrowed, it was not narrowed significantly. At the very most it was narrowed 3m in total. It was a great game and occasion on Saturday night.
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 23, 2018, 10:05:46 AM
:-XQuote from: lenny on July 23, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: APM on July 23, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
I wouldn't share any of the optimism tyrone people seem to have picked up from this game. By narrowing the pitch significantly harte has more or less told his team that they can't compete with dublin on a big pitch like croke park. It was absolutely essential in the circumstances for tyrone to get a result. For dublin to win relatively comfortably is devastating for tyrone and I think they'll now really struggle v donegal.
Whatever about who asked for the pitch to be narrowed, it was not narrowed significantly. At the very most it was narrowed 3m in total. It was a great game and occasion on Saturday night.
I had heard 4m each side which would be very significant. If you're right that's much less significant but it's still damaging to the players to be told "we're going to narrow the pitch to give us a chance here".
Quote from: lenny on July 23, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: APM on July 23, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
I wouldn't share any of the optimism tyrone people seem to have picked up from this game. By narrowing the pitch significantly harte has more or less told his team that they can't compete with dublin on a big pitch like croke park. It was absolutely essential in the circumstances for tyrone to get a result. For dublin to win relatively comfortably is devastating for tyrone and I think they'll now really struggle v donegal.
I assume you turned off with 10 mins to go? As Thomas O'Se said last night. Teams just can't go hammer and tongs with Dublin for 70 mins, the key is to stay with them for 55 to 60 mins and go flat out to be in front when the whistle blows. Bar a few things that didn't go our way we may well have got something out of the game. Of course Tyrone can't compete with Dublin's resources, nobody can - there's no embarrassment in admitting that, of course there's going to be times when Dublin control the game but it doesn't mean that you can't beat them. The defeatest attitude of lads from county's like yours Lenny speaks volumes.
Quote from: oakleafgael on July 23, 2018, 10:05:46 AM
:-XQuote from: lenny on July 23, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: APM on July 23, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
I wouldn't share any of the optimism tyrone people seem to have picked up from this game. By narrowing the pitch significantly harte has more or less told his team that they can't compete with dublin on a big pitch like croke park. It was absolutely essential in the circumstances for tyrone to get a result. For dublin to win relatively comfortably is devastating for tyrone and I think they'll now really struggle v donegal.
Whatever about who asked for the pitch to be narrowed, it was not narrowed significantly. At the very most it was narrowed 3m in total. It was a great game and occasion on Saturday night.
I've played in Omagh and was at the game on Saturday night. To be honest I didn't think the pitch had been narrowed at all. If it was, it was only minimal and wouldn't have made a great deal of difference. Interestingly a lot of Tyrone's attack came down the sidelines, like right out on edge. To me they would have benefited from a larger pitch.
So Mickey Harte has blamed Sky and Sky have said they have nothing to do with it.
Maybe the groundsman just got his measuremrents mixed up.
Quote from: yellowcard on July 23, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
So Mickey Harte has blamed Sky and Sky have said they have nothing to do with it.
Maybe the groundsman just got his measuremrents mixed up.
Mickey said that the Omagh club told him that Sky want it narrowed. Maybe they told him a whopper?
Anyway, big deal about nothing. So long as it's within the permitted parameters they should do what they like.
There didn't seem to be that much green space outside the lines anyway.
That pitch was my home pitch and I've been there for many, many games. The pitch was not narrowed much at all.
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 23, 2018, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 23, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: APM on July 23, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
I wouldn't share any of the optimism tyrone people seem to have picked up from this game. By narrowing the pitch significantly harte has more or less told his team that they can't compete with dublin on a big pitch like croke park. It was absolutely essential in the circumstances for tyrone to get a result. For dublin to win relatively comfortably is devastating for tyrone and I think they'll now really struggle v donegal.
I assume you turned off with 10 mins to go? As Thomas O'Se said last night. Teams just can't go hammer and tongs with Dublin for 70 mins, the key is to stay with them for 55 to 60 mins and go flat out to be in front when the whistle blows. Bar a few things that didn't go our way we may well have got something out of the game. Of course Tyrone can't compete with Dublin's resources, nobody can - there's no embarrassment in admitting that, of course there's going to be times when Dublin control the game but it doesn't mean that you can't beat them. The defeatest attitude of lads from county's like yours Lenny speaks volumes.
It's you who used the words "defeatist attitude ". Would harte have narrowed the pitch if tyrone had the players from their golden generation? There's not a hope in hell he would've. In other words he did it because he didn't want a repeat of last years demolition. It doesn't inspire confidence though if the teams play again in croke park.
Lads, who really cares about he pitch. If it happened it happened and its within the rules. Don't take away from a great evening in Omagh.
Have to repeat the sentiments that the Dubs fans were great and it was wonderful for the town.Really good atmosphere before, during and after, the craic was great and hope they enjoyed it too!
Seen brolly writing an wrticle saying he crowd was silent and the atmosphere only picked up last few minutes. That's complete tripe from him again. Thought the atmosphere was great throughout and the re-located Hill 16 helped make it that way.
Think our lads will have got confidence from that and fancy us to do the unthinkable in Ballybofey!
Quote from: lenny on July 23, 2018, 10:59:32 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on July 23, 2018, 10:23:00 AM
Quote from: lenny on July 23, 2018, 10:01:23 AM
Quote from: APM on July 23, 2018, 09:24:08 AM
Tyrone can do what they like and I can see why the pitch would have been narrowed for the Dublin game. But suggesting that Sky asked for it! That sounded suspect when it was first said and it figures that Sky have denied it, because there are enough people pissed off with Sky as it is, without them asking grounds to change the dimensions of the pitch.
I wouldn't share any of the optimism tyrone people seem to have picked up from this game. By narrowing the pitch significantly harte has more or less told his team that they can't compete with dublin on a big pitch like croke park. It was absolutely essential in the circumstances for tyrone to get a result. For dublin to win relatively comfortably is devastating for tyrone and I think they'll now really struggle v donegal.
I assume you turned off with 10 mins to go? As Thomas O'Se said last night. Teams just can't go hammer and tongs with Dublin for 70 mins, the key is to stay with them for 55 to 60 mins and go flat out to be in front when the whistle blows. Bar a few things that didn't go our way we may well have got something out of the game. Of course Tyrone can't compete with Dublin's resources, nobody can - there's no embarrassment in admitting that, of course there's going to be times when Dublin control the game but it doesn't mean that you can't beat them. The defeatest attitude of lads from county's like yours Lenny speaks volumes.
It's you who used the words "defeatist attitude ". Would harte have narrowed the pitch if tyrone had the players from their golden generation? There's not a hope in hell he would've. In other words he did it because he didn't want a repeat of last years demolition. It doesn't inspire confidence though if the teams play again in croke park.
EVERY team is inferior to Dublin at the minute, they have won five of the last seven All Ireland's. I don't think it's an insult to the Tyrone players to suggest tactics to overcome this and the raft of other advantages a Dublin team has over all its rivals. The pitch narrowing is a red herring and something which has been massively overplayed. Whilst it's great for newspapers talk, it's not that big an issue for counties who can adapt to things happening at this level of the championship. I can't imagine Tyrone would be too bothered if Ballybofey was slightly bigger or smaller in a few weeks. Are you seriously in your mind imagining genuine heartfelt disappointment of the Tyrone squad as they learned of the news that their manager didn't believe in them because they were narrowing the pitch by a few feet. Do you seriously think that influenced Saturdays game or will influence a future game if the two were to meet again?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 23, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Very enjoyable reading this thread, it makes the victory so so much sweeter. Some of the comments are hiliarous and very funny how some people are so roiled up the greatest team to have played the game The Dubs.
Fair play to the real Tyrone fans in Omagh, good craic with them all day and night. A warm welcome and good people, pleasant and polite, not like the so called Gaels on this site, and also there was not a fight on a train in sight.
Whatever about the side lines being reduced, no nets behind the goals? Very dangerous during the warm ups with over 30 balls flying around at one end. A strong response from the GAA is needed here for safety reasons.
Dublin defence was the winning of the game, the forwards always get the credit but the defence was excellent, Cooper been consistently one of the best defenders in the country, you Murchan who looks like he's getting younger had a great game.
Ref had a great game and let a lot go. Let it flow.
Omagh has never had any nets behind the goals. I dont think there is any in clones either?
The only reason they have them in croke park is to stop the dubs on the hill nicking the footballs ;)
You joke but this happened infront of me in the terrace near the middle. Young lad jumped the barrier when Dublin were doing warm up drills and nicked a ball, encouraged by his da.
Quote from: RedHand88 on July 23, 2018, 11:56:10 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on July 23, 2018, 09:47:27 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 23, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
Very enjoyable reading this thread, it makes the victory so so much sweeter. Some of the comments are hiliarous and very funny how some people are so roiled up the greatest team to have played the game The Dubs.
Fair play to the real Tyrone fans in Omagh, good craic with them all day and night. A warm welcome and good people, pleasant and polite, not like the so called Gaels on this site, and also there was not a fight on a train in sight.
Whatever about the side lines being reduced, no nets behind the goals? Very dangerous during the warm ups with over 30 balls flying around at one end. A strong response from the GAA is needed here for safety reasons.
Dublin defence was the winning of the game, the forwards always get the credit but the defence was excellent, Cooper been consistently one of the best defenders in the country, you Murchan who looks like he's getting younger had a great game.
Ref had a great game and let a lot go. Let it flow.
Omagh has never had any nets behind the goals. I dont think there is any in clones either?
The only reason they have them in croke park is to stop the dubs on the hill nicking the footballs ;)
You joke but this happened infront of me in the terrace near the middle. Young lad jumped the barrier when Dublin were doing warm up drills and nicked a ball, encouraged by his da.
Plenty have went missing in Omagh over the years - think thats why Dublin actually had to warm up at that end this time, quite a few went missing the last time.
Despite a total disaster from the tickets.ie crowd messing up my pre match plans I suppose I enjoyed the game and especially the way the fans got behind the team and made it a good atmosphere. I dont like the way though we always need the team to do something before we get our voices. Sometimes we need to be the ones to lift the team.
Anyway, I thought the ref was terrible and made some huge errors in judgement where he would give a foul for something and then 10 mins later the exact same thing he wouldn't which leaves players confused and frustrated
The lack of cards for both teams looked like he wanted to let the game flow and not spoil it with cards.
I am pleased the way we came back into it in the end but as I said before the game I'd love to see a few big high balls landed in to Richie or whoever (Loughran) to test Cluxton and Co. We've saw in loads of games this year and last but especially yesterday the Kerry game how a high ball in can often cause panic and lead to a goal yet we never really tried it. Maybe once. I bet Donegal use it when Murphy is in there.
I felt frustrated that we wait so long before really going for it. So often we seem to be holding back almost scared to run at them in case they counterattack us like last years game.
I was shocked at Burns and McAliskey going off and yet again our free taking was letting us down. I thought RoN might not have the pace for this game but that free was a bad miss for a man on his home patch.
We can dream of beating the men from the Hill and maybe a "EASY" semi v Monaghan or Galway ( I jest lads, chill) but should we beat Donegal it seems a reasonably easy run we've had this year compared to some. Poor Monaghan have it very tough. I feared those misses they had in the first half yesterday could prove crucial and so now they have to go and beat the 2 in row Connacht champions in their own back yard. I think Kerry will sneak in second so it could be a semis pairing of
Kerry v Dublin
Galway v Donegal
Did anyone see Scooby Doo her on Sat?
Dubs rise to the challenge on their odyssey to Omagh
Tyrone's counterattack lacks impact as champions' well-oiled machine pays dividends by Seán Moran Irish Times
There's a plausible rule of thumb with Jim Gavin that the more strongly he feels about something, the blander the reaction – if there is one at all, and not one of his deflections.
With the football world looking on in the hope that having to travel 110 miles north to take on one of the likelier contenders for the All-Ireland might force the champions to reveal some frailty, Dublin's manager was asked whether the challenge of having to win away in Omagh had been a special motivation.
In response he channelled Ron Manager.
"Just excitement – a great opportunity, really, to come up to Omagh on a summer's evening, knowing that Healy Stadium was going to be full, and once again we got a great welcome from the Tyrone officials. We were passing Dublin supporters on the way up – in the car, enjoying themselves – and it's great for the local economies as well. It was just a great experience and one that the guys will treasure when they look back on the season."
The nuts and bolts of a match that his team won – clearly but not without anxiety – were succinctly summed up.
"Two games down in the All-Ireland round-robin series and we've four points on the board and that's satisfying.
"We drove hard at Tyrone, got some great scores and they put in some great defending. Defensively we looked strong as well. We knew going into the game that they had put up some big, big scores over the last five games and it's a credit to the system that Mickey has – they're a very potent attacking unit and to limit them to what we did today is a reflection of some really hard work by the collective on the pitch."
Tyrone's counter-attacking template didn't have the same impact against Dublin's well-oiled machine, and manager Mickey Harte was torn between recognition of his team's battling qualities and disappointment at falling short.
"I think it's great credit to our boys that they dug in, they fought back and they got to within a point, and I suppose even a free at the end there – if we had scored that free – would have made it even a more tight battle to the end.
Tyrone's manager Mickey Harte and Dublin manager Jim Gavin after the game. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
Tyrone's manager Mickey Harte and Dublin manager Jim Gavin after the game. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
"Obviously we're not happy with the outcome or the result, and we're not looking about moral victories, 'oh you pushed them close or you ran them close'. It wasn't about that. We intended to win this game. We felt we were capable of winning the game, and we didn't win it.
"The only saving grace is it doesn't knock us out of the championship altogether. We have another chance and it's not often you would lose a game at this time of the year, an All-Ireland quarter-final, and still have another chance.
"If we hadn't conceded that goal, it would have been interesting to see how the game would have panned out, but sure that's all conjecture now.
"The bottom line is, on the day they were, they are, the great champions, and they beat us, and they're away home safely in the semi-final at this stage, so good luck to them.
Did they get a guard of honour onto the pitch, or deos that happen anymore?
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 23, 2018, 12:42:08 PM
Despite a total disaster from the tickets.ie crowd messing up my pre match plans I suppose I enjoyed the game and especially the way the fans got behind the team and made it a good atmosphere. I dont like the way though we always need the team to do something before we get our voices. Sometimes we need to be the ones to lift the team.
Anyway, I thought the ref was terrible and made some huge errors in judgement where he would give a foul for something and then 10 mins later the exact same thing he wouldn't which leaves players confused and frustrated
The lack of cards for both teams looked like he wanted to let the game flow and not spoil it with cards.
I am pleased the way we came back into it in the end but as I said before the game I'd love to see a few big high balls landed in to Richie or whoever (Loughran) to test Cluxton and Co. We've saw in loads of games this year and last but especially yesterday the Kerry game how a high ball in can often cause panic and lead to a goal yet we never really tried it. Maybe once. I bet Donegal use it when Murphy is in there.
I felt frustrated that we wait so long before really going for it. So often we seem to be holding back almost scared to run at them in case they counterattack us like last years game.
I was shocked at Burns and McAliskey going off and yet again our free taking was letting us down. I thought RoN might not have the pace for this game but that free was a bad miss for a man on his home patch.
We can dream of beating the men from the Hill and maybe a "EASY" semi v Monaghan or Galway ( I jest lads, chill) but should we beat Donegal it seems a reasonably easy run we've had this year compared to some. Poor Monaghan have it very tough. I feared those misses they had in the first half yesterday could prove crucial and so now they have to go and beat the 2 in row Connacht champions in their own back yard. I think Kerry will sneak in second so it could be a semis pairing of
Kerry v Dublin
Galway v Donegal
Did anyone see Scooby Doo her on Sat?
I totally agree with your second paragraph. Can't comment on this game as I didn't see it but it is something I've notIced a lot over the last couple years. The inconsistencies from the refs are awful. It must be very confusing for eh okayers as not only do rules be applied differently from game to game they are applied differently within games too
Basically Coldrick was clueless for both teams, he was often 20/30 yards or more away from the important incidents and had no idea about what was really happening.
It wa one of the poorest displays by someone that CP thinks is an elite referee. He was rarely able to see the cute play that the Dubs were able to get away with and many of his decisions were just guesses.
It was all downhill from his failure to black card McCann as both sides and particularly the Dubs knew he wasn't going to impose himself on the game and accept no messing. Unfortunately, he will be back for more games this summer.
He wasn't biased towards Dublin, he just wasn't able for the task presented to him and was under severe pressure from the throw in, pressure that just built as the game went on. It was a game that was always going to need careful management.
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 23, 2018, 04:42:11 PM
Did they get a guard of honour onto the pitch, or deos that happen anymore?
They were given one for the League game earlier in the year in Omagh, and once in a year is enough.
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on July 23, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
Basically Coldrick was clueless for both teams, he was often 20/30 yards or more away from the important incidents and had no idea about what was really happening.
It wa one of the poorest displays by someone that CP thinks is an elite referee. He was rarely able to see the cute play that the Dubs were able to get away with and many of his decisions were just guesses.
It was all downhill from his failure to black card McCann as both sides and particularly the Dubs knew he wasn't going to impose himself on the game and accept no messing. Unfortunately, he will be back for more games this summer.
He wasn't biased towards Dublin, he just wasn't able for the task presented to him and was under severe pressure from the throw in, pressure that just built as the game went on. It was a game that was always going to need careful management.
So he want biased toward Dublin he was just shit and as things transpired the majority of his rubbish decisions favoured Dublin.
;) ;)
Quote from: omaghjoe on July 21, 2018, 09:46:59 PM
Coldrick is beyond facrical at this point. Some of the decisions of lack of were a disgrace.
You could maybe understand 1 or 2 but there had to at least a dozen and it was the timing of some of them were obviously there to kill Tyrone momentum.
In rugby Cian O'Sullivan would be facing a ban for his tackle on McGerary but what does he give.... a throw up ... while Tyrone were in the ascendansy.
Richie Donnelly gets his fingers taken of him while going down for a pick up and then gathers a bouncing ball only to be blown up for an off the ground right in front of the Tyrone posts...
This is all only the half of it of course but these tow in
How is allowed to referee intercounty games is beyond me, besides his actual abyssmal refereeing he is constantly behind the play and struggling for fitness
Should be brought out of the town in a car boot
Yeah just got around to watching it again there, those were key. He wasn't calling much, but the soft ones that were going went Dublin's way earlier, then when it got intense he swallowed the whistle.
Still Mickey could have moved the bench a wee bit earlier and misses and some decision making cost us more than Coldrick.
A common theme in losing circles in the GAA, blame the ref. Fans and managers a like.
I don't blame our defeat on the ref.
As a Tyrone fan, I don't expect anything better from the refs, so I'll rairly bothered or surprised by their performances to be honest
Ever watched a dull, lifeless game live on TV, then see highlights and it looks like a great spectacle? (even though you know it wasn't)
Well, never seen Tyr Dub live, but it was the only match highlights I was ever bored watching. What it was like to watch live, I dread to imagine.
;D ;D ;D
bit jealous , pet??
Quote from: BennyCake on July 24, 2018, 11:02:17 AM
Ever watched a dull, lifeless game live on TV, then see highlights and it looks like a great spectacle? (even though you know it wasn't)
Well, never seen Tyr Dub live, but it was the only match highlights I was ever bored watching. What it was like to watch live, I dread to imagine.
Up to Sunday it was definitely the best game so far of the Super 8s. The games in Sunday eclipsed it though. I thoroughly enjoyed the game whilst at it and the defending was absolutely top notch.
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2018, 09:48:05 AM
A common theme in losing circles in the GAA, blame the ref. Fans and managers a like.
No one from the Tyrone management blamed the ref that I saw.
Quote from: BennyCake on July 24, 2018, 11:02:17 AM
Ever watched a dull, lifeless game live on TV, then see highlights and it looks like a great spectacle? (even though you know it wasn't)
Well, never seen Tyr Dub live, but it was the only match highlights I was ever bored watching. What it was like to watch live, I dread to imagine.
I really enjoyed. Two super fit teams, really going at it. Great game of football.
Quote from: trailer on July 24, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on July 24, 2018, 09:48:05 AM
A common theme in losing circles in the GAA, blame the ref. Fans and managers a like.
No one from the Tyrone management blamed the ref that I saw.
Even when Sidebottom tried to pry it out of Harte, he refused to blame the referee.
Quote from: Dire Ear on July 24, 2018, 11:05:42 AM
;D ;D ;D
bit jealous , pet??
I was just stating an opinion. Why would I be jealous?
MH didn't, in general I meant, Cian O Neill having a go also.
McGuinness talks a lot of sense re the tackling, frees and ref here - https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/jim-mcguinness-rivals-must-master-patience-game-against-dublin-1.3574130
Its a fair analysis
Quote from: Fuzzman on July 23, 2018, 12:42:08 PM
Despite a total disaster from the tickets.ie crowd messing up my pre match plans I suppose I enjoyed the game and especially the way the fans got behind the team and made it a good atmosphere. I dont like the way though we always need the team to do something before we get our voices. Sometimes we need to be the ones to lift the team.
Anyway, I thought the ref was terrible and made some huge errors in judgement where he would give a foul for something and then 10 mins later the exact same thing he wouldn't which leaves players confused and frustrated
The lack of cards for both teams looked like he wanted to let the game flow and not spoil it with cards.
I am pleased the way we came back into it in the end but as I said before the game I'd love to see a few big high balls landed in to Richie or whoever (Loughran) to test Cluxton and Co. We've saw in loads of games this year and last but especially yesterday the Kerry game how a high ball in can often cause panic and lead to a goal yet we never really tried it. Maybe once. I bet Donegal use it when Murphy is in there.
I felt frustrated that we wait so long before really going for it. So often we seem to be holding back almost scared to run at them in case they counterattack us like last years game.
I was shocked at Burns and McAliskey going off and yet again our free taking was letting us down. I thought RoN might not have the pace for this game but that free was a bad miss for a man on his home patch.
We can dream of beating the men from the Hill and maybe a "EASY" semi v Monaghan or Galway ( I jest lads, chill) but should we beat Donegal it seems a reasonably easy run we've had this year compared to some. Poor Monaghan have it very tough. I feared those misses they had in the first half yesterday could prove crucial and so now they have to go and beat the 2 in row Connacht champions in their own back yard. I think Kerry will sneak in second so it could be a semis pairing of
Kerry v Dublin
Galway v Donegal
Did anyone see Scooby Doo her on Sat?
http://www.gaa.ie/football/connacht-gaa-football-senior-championship/galway-roscommon/1059247/
Been listening to the reaction after this game - Not alot of pundits mentioning Tyrone to progress to a final. I am more hopeful than before the game - I think Tyrone have nearly stumbled across a nice mix if they can be more confidenve in the players ability. Whilst Dublin deserved the victory there are a number of factors that haven't really been highlighted in the media:
- Dublin goal was very unlucky for Tyrone as it came back off Morgan right back to McCarthy
- Ref seemed to favour Dublin in the 50/50 calls
- Dublin appeared very rattled when Tyrone pushed up in the last 20 - with Cluxton even kicking ball away
- Dublin resorted to pulling Tyrone lads down near the end holding on to their lead
- If O'Neill had of nailed the free - Tyrone would of had another 2-3 mins to muster an equaliser
Don't think we are capable of beating Dublin in a final but think we are more than capable of getting there.