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So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

if mayo win the final and o'hora has a big game, he will get player of the year, imo. likewise, could be keegan if he has a big final. he was the best player on the pitch last weekend.

Quote from: hoynevalley on August 17, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Lee Keegan would be incredibly unlucky to miss out on an all star this year

David Clifford doesn't warrant one on performances so far, but his brother does

mccurry quietist v Monaghan

would need a big game v Kerry to be in the reckoning

Quote from: toby47 on August 17, 2021, 08:12:47 AM

Quote from: hoynevalley on August 17, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Lee Keegan would be incredibly unlucky to miss out on an all star this year

Last Sunday was the first reak day to start looking at all start as probably 13 or so of them will come from the Last 4 so theres plenty of tiem any Kerry or tyrone players to make it.
2 good Games from Clifford now and he will be Player of the year dispite  Middling for till now .
I wonder does young player of the year  ahve to come from the seniors . Hession may i think would be our only contender gewise and that would be mainly based on a half a game or do untill now as he was sinding his feet in the other matches.
Jack byrant  or cormac egan would be worthy winners

Quote from: rosnarun on August 17, 2021, 09:45:50 AM

Quote from: toby47 on August 17, 2021, 08:12:47 AM

Quote from: hoynevalley on August 17, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Lee Keegan would be incredibly unlucky to miss out on an all star this year

Last Sunday was the first reak day to start looking at all start as probably 13 or so of them will come from the Last 4 so theres plenty of tiem any Kerry or tyrone players to make it.
2 good Games from Clifford now and he will be Player of the year dispite  Middling for till now .
I wonder does young player of the year  ahve to come from the seniors . Hession may i think would be our only contender gewise and that would be mainly based on a half a game or do untill now as he was sinding his feet in the other matches.
Jack byrant  or cormac egan would be worthy winners

Oisín Mullin is still eligible for young player of the year. You have to be U21

Quote from: hoynevalley on August 17, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Paudie Clifford has been POTY this year so far with Sean O'Shea behind him. Keegan is well above Coen. However the AI final will largely decide these.

Quote from: yellowcard on August 17, 2021, 10:10:11 AM

Quote from: hoynevalley on August 17, 2021, 07:02:28 AM
So far would go with

Rob Hennelly
Michael Fitzsimons
Padraig O'Hora
Tom O'Sullivan
Patrick Durcan
Stephen Coen
Gavin White
Matthew Ruane
Diarmuid O'Connor
Mattie Donnelly
Sean O'Shea
Ryan O'Donoghue
Darren McCurry
David Clifford
Tommy Conroy

Player of year contenders
Matthew Ruane
Sean O'Shea
Gavin White
Padraig O'Hora
Darren McCurry

Paudie Clifford has been POTY this year so far with Sean O'Shea behind him. Keegan is well above Coen. However the AI final will largely decide these.

2 POTY candidates, who have only had to beat 1x team now in Div4, 1x team still in Div2, 1x team who were in a relegation playoff for Div 3......

Whereas tyrone had Cavan (albeit now in Div 4 too), donegal then monaghan.....

McCurry definitely up there but will need to push on in the last two games (If they get 2). He's always had a * beside his name about whether he can do it in the biggest games. No better opportunity than Kerry in a Semi final. He's been excellent this year, much more consistent than previous years. Think he'll have done enough for an All Star as Semi finalists usually get 1, but POTY for me at the minute is Ruane.

i wouldn't have anyone from kerry in contention for player of the year right now. they've played no one.

PP POTY odds at the minute have Mattie Donnelly at 20/1 and McCurry at 33/1.
Current list of favourites
Sean O'Shea
P Clifford
D Clifford
R O'Donoghue
P O'Hora
T Conroy/M Ruane/L Keegan All 3 are 10/1

Quote from: Estimator on August 17, 2021, 11:12:44 AM
PP POTY odds at the minute have Mattie Donnelly at 20/1 and McCurry at 33/1.
Current list of favourites
Sean O'Shea
P Clifford
D Clifford
R O'Donoghue
P O'Hora
T Conroy/M Ruane/L Keegan All 3 are 10/1

Ruane would be great. Stood when chips down against Galway and one of many to step up against Dublin. 

Loads of Mayo lads there on Saturday put their hands up for all stars, O'Hora, Keegan and Ruane obviously, Hennelly as well. McCurry from Tyrone deserves one as well on the year so far as does Paudie Clifford. I wonder how many Dubs will win an all star?

From an Armagh perspective, would expect Rian O'Neill to be nailed on for a nomination.

Quote from: Estimator on August 17, 2021, 11:12:44 AM
PP POTY odds at the minute have Mattie Donnelly at 20/1 and McCurry at 33/1.
Current list of favourites
Sean O'Shea
P Clifford
D Clifford
R O'Donoghue
P O'Hora
T Conroy/M Ruane/L Keegan All 3 are 10/1

McGeary has jumped to the top of the betting (on one site) for POTY - 11/4.

From a Kerry perspective the two lads who were top of the betting prior to the game (O'Shea and P Clifford) could now be under pressure to actually win an All-Star. D Clifford looks like the only Kerry forward that will definitely pick up an award. O'Sullivan probably the only Kerry defender.

The way this things are, if McShane has a big final, he'll definitely win one as well.

Can any Kerry players seriously be considered for an all star outside of Clifford? They bate nobody. One game they were asked to turn up and they didn't. Hard to make a case for any of them really.

Quote from: Cobra on August 29, 2021, 10:50:26 AM
Can any Kerry players seriously be considered for an all star outside of Clifford? They bate nobody. One game they were asked to turn up and they didn't. Hard to make a case for any of them really.

No.

Definites: McGeary, Ruane, Meyler
Probables: Hampsey, O'Hora, Donnelly
Token Kerry: Clifford
Token Dublin: Kilkenny
Outside chances: Fitzsimmons, Tom O'Sullivan, White, P Clifford & Sean O'Shea

The rest to be decided based on AI final performance.

Is this based on current odds? From a Tyrone point of view I'd have Hampsey slightly above Meyler and Mccurry ahead of Donnelly. All depends on the position switching too I suppose.

Hard to pick a goalkeeper

Quote from: knockitdown on August 30, 2021, 07:27:46 PM
Hard to pick a goalkeeper

Robert Hennelly .Morgan played himself out of team Saturday.

It's a strange one as I see Morgan is at 20/1 for player of the year but Hennelly isn't listed. I can't see odds for all-star. It kind of makes sense though as Morgan s unpredictable and could play a blinder and be the match winner in the final whereas hennelly is more solid and looks safer for an all-star.

Quote from: CK_Redhand on August 30, 2021, 08:03:59 PM
It's a strange one as I see Morgan is at 20/1 for player of the year but Hennelly isn't listed. I can't see odds for all-star. It kind of makes sense though as Morgan s unpredictable and could play a blinder and be the match winner in the final whereas hennelly is more solid and looks safer for an all-star.

I had a similar thought re: Morgan. He could be the winning or the losing of the game

Morgan a certainty now I would suspect.

Not too many Mayo men put their hand up for one today.
Morgan, McNamee, Hampsey, McGeary, Harte, Meyler, McCurry and McKenna all enhanced their chances. Outside chance for McShane despite not starting a C'ship game this year.

Sunday game team of the year:

GOALKEEPER
Niall Morgan - Tyrone

BACKS
Paddy Durcan - Mayo

Lee Keegan - Mayo

Padraig Hampsey - Tyrone

Niall Sludden - Tyrone

Kieran McGeary - Tyrone

Peter Harte - Tyrone

MIDFIELD
Matthew Ruane - Mayo

Conn Kilpatrick - Tyrone

FORWARDS
Conor Meyler - Tyrone

Paudie Clifford - Kerry

Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin

Darren McCurry - Tyrone

David Clifford - Kerry

Tommy Conroy - Mayo

Paudie Clifford certainly shouldn't be getting an All Star for his performances against second rate opposition in Cork & Tipp, would be ridiculous.

Discuss

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1436823315901988864

Discuss:

https://www.skysports.com/gaa/football/news/30553/12406419/gaelic-football-team-of-the-year-2021-all-star-15-for-the-championship-season-as-tyrone-claim-all-ireland-title

Similar picks for RTE and Sky. Generous awards for Kilpatrick  and Flynn IMO. Plenty of others in contention but they can only pick 15 I suppose.

I dont think McShane will get one but would he be the first man to get one without starting a game all championship???

Quote from: Estimator on September 12, 2021, 09:02:31 AM
Sunday game team of the year:

GOALKEEPER
Niall Morgan - Tyrone

BACKS
Paddy Durcan - Mayo

Lee Keegan - Mayo

Padraig Hampsey - Tyrone

Niall Sludden - Tyrone

Kieran McGeary - Tyrone

Peter Harte - Tyrone

MIDFIELD
Matthew Ruane - Mayo

Conn Kilpatrick - Tyrone

FORWARDS
Conor Meyler - Tyrone

Paudie Clifford - Kerry

Ciaran Kilkenny - Dublin

Darren McCurry - Tyrone

David Clifford - Kerry

Tommy Conroy - Mayo

The certainties there for me would be
Morgan
Keegan
Hampsey
McGeary
Ruane
Meyler
Clifford
Clifford
McCurry
Conroy

Ryan O'Donoghue would be a much more deserving recipient than Ciaran Kilkenny.

Fenton or Moran instead of Kilpatrick. Kilpatrick had a good final but I actually thought Kennedy was better in his time on the pitch.

I think Meyler would be the Tyrone man to move back into the defence rather than Sludden.

Think O'Hora still deserves one. Not sure about Durcan.

Harte probably just about deserves one.

Frank Burns wouldn't be a million miles off, nor McNamee or McKernan.

Mick Fitzsimons won't get one but was Dublin's best back.

Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Ruane shouldn't be considered.

Fantastic player. But he was blown away in the final.

It's kind of refreshing this year that an absence of marquee forwards might see a half forward picked at full forward, and a half back picked at half forward. I doubt this has ever happened before - it usually works the other way.

Kilpatrick had a good final but All Stars should be handed out on merit for performances over the course of the season and not simply on the basis of one good match. Too much weight is given over to the semi final and final performances when the reality is that by that stage certain top players are targeted by the opposition in order to try to blot them out of the match. How often have we seen some of the perceived lesser lights then benefit from this in an All Ireland final.

On the same basis I would have no problem if Daniel Flynn received an award but I don't think that he will.

Otherwise I think that both the RTE and Sky selections would be not very far off the final team.   

Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 14, 2021, 10:20:15 AM

Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.

What did he score against Tyrone and Kerry? 2 points in each game? As much as I rate him and love watching him, that's not a good enough return for an all star standard inside forward. He also messed up the goal chance against Tyrone, McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Kilpatrick had a good final but All Stars should be handed out on merit for performances over the course of the season and not simply on the basis of one good match. Too much weight is given over to the semi final and final performances when the reality is that by that stage certain top players are targeted by the opposition in order to try to blot them out of the match. How often have we seen some of the perceived lesser lights then benefit from this in an All Ireland final.

On the same basis I would have no problem if Daniel Flynn received an award but I don't think that he will.

Otherwise I think that both the RTE and Sky selections would be not very far off the final team.

It's such a short season though when there is no backdoor. If there are any Kerry players involved in the conversation then surely Kildare and Donegal would have some too, seeing as they also won 2 out of 3 games played, beating 2 mid level teams each - the same as Kerry.
It's a nice enough thing for the players to win an all star I'm sure. But it's an individual award, where the ability to win the award is based on a collective effort enabling the eventual individual winners to play more games than non-winners. If Mayo had played Tyrone in the first round they'd probably get zero.

Quote from: shark on September 14, 2021, 10:25:23 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on September 14, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Kilpatrick had a good final but All Stars should be handed out on merit for performances over the course of the season and not simply on the basis of one good match. Too much weight is given over to the semi final and final performances when the reality is that by that stage certain top players are targeted by the opposition in order to try to blot them out of the match. How often have we seen some of the perceived lesser lights then benefit from this in an All Ireland final.

On the same basis I would have no problem if Daniel Flynn received an award but I don't think that he will.

Otherwise I think that both the RTE and Sky selections would be not very far off the final team.

It's such a short season though when there is no backdoor. If there are any Kerry players involved in the conversation then surely Kildare and Donegal would have some too, seeing as they also won 2 out of 3 games played, beating 2 mid level teams each - the same as Kerry.
It's a nice enough thing for the players to win an all star I'm sure. But it's an individual award, where the ability to win the award is based on a collective effort enabling the eventual individual winners to play more games than non-winners. If Mayo had played Tyrone in the first round they'd probably get zero.

I think you have to take League form into account given the nature of the shortened season. For me Kerry played the best football out of any side this season, it was reminiscent of the Dubs in 2014 when they went Harlem Globetrotters style and got caught in a semi final with one below par performance. I don't think either Donegal or Kildare players come close to the level of some of the individual performance that Kerry produced over the course of the season. I know people will say it is only the League but it still remains the best barometer of a teams overall level especially in a season of straight knockout football. Plus it was played in mid spring/early summer just prior to the championship beginning so it was taken seriously by every county. I have no problem with 2 Cliffords being selected, they were both easily among the top 6 forwards over the full course of the season. Same with Daniel Flynn although I don't think he will get selected. It probably will be Conroy.     

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 10:53:51 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.

Skill wise at the minute he's been limited but his contributions in both games have been massive, do you win an All star based on that?

As a Tyrone man, I don't think McShane deserves one. McCurry and Meyler are nailed on and prop both in contention for the POTY. Sludden would be my next option and he's a maybe. None of the rest in the reckoning given some of the other displays.
In defence, Morgan, Hampsey, McNamee, Harte and McGeary I think will get ones. This is where our strength lies.
If Conn gets one in midfield he'll be blessed. Good final and solid but unspectacular for the rest of the games. Might say more about a lack of midfield talent this year. Ruane only one stood out for me.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 10:53:51 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.

It's moments like that that win all irelands. He scored what, 1-3 off the bench in the semi? He probably won't win one but is in with a shout.

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 10:23:56 AM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 14, 2021, 10:20:15 AM

Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2021, 09:32:34 AM
Sky's team:

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)
Pádraig Hampsey (Tyrone), Lee Keegan (Mayo), Ronan McNamee (Tyrone)
Patrick Durcan (Mayo), Kieran McGeary (Tyrone), Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Matthew Ruane (Mayo), Conn Kilpatrick (Tyrone)
Niall Sludden (Tyrone), Paudie Clifford (Kerry), Conor Meyler (Tyrone)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone), David Clifford (Kerry), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

While Conroy had some great moments, he disappeared plenty too (he'd be better as a sub like Kevin McManamon - if he came on fresh with 20 minutes to go against a tiring defence, he'd run amok, but Mayo probably don't have enough depth in forwards to allow that). But IMO no way was Conroy one of the best 3 full forwards in the country this year. Flynn a better choice, and probably a few contenders up north too.

I was in a pub for the Tyrone-Kerry match, so not sure who the key man for Kerry was in winning the midfield battle, but whoever he was may warrant a place. Although I would have Kilpatrick slightly ahead of Kennedy

Thats harsh on Conroy, had great moments in the games against Galway, Dublin & Tyrone. I certainly think he deserves an All Star. I can't make a case for anyone getting one ahead of Conroy, Clifford & McCurry.

What did he score against Tyrone and Kerry? 2 points in each game? As much as I rate him and love watching him, that's not a good enough return for an all star standard inside forward. He also messed up the goal chance against Tyrone, McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

Conroy got 0-3 against Galway, 0-3 against Dublin and 0-2 against Tyrone all from play.

McShane certainly has had a huge impact and can see why you'd mention him but apart from him I don't see anyone else in the running. Flynn is top class but he can't get one based on one good game against Dublin, some might say that's all Clifford did but his performance was spectacular against Tyrone and a level above Flynn's.

I don't see anyone else in the running.

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 11:59:57 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 10:53:51 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.

It's moments like that that win all irelands. He scored what, 1-3 off the bench in the semi? He probably won't win one but is in with a shout.

Kevin McManamon made consistently greater contributions off the bench and never got within an arse's roar of an All-Star.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 12:19:15 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 11:59:57 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 10:53:51 AM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 14, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
McShane has a strong argument to be in ahead of him.

He has in his hoop. McShane carries threat but touching that ball in (and he should never have been allowed to, it was a terrible goalkeeping mistake) was his only contribution in the final, he was desperate otherwise. I'd have about six or eight forwards at least ahead of him in the queue for an All-Star.

It's moments like that that win all irelands. He scored what, 1-3 off the bench in the semi? He probably won't win one but is in with a shout.

Kevin McManamon made consistently greater contributions off the bench and never got within an arse's roar of an All-Star.

True, but this year there's probably not that many inside forwards who really stood out bar McCurry and Clifford. None of the Dublin lads deserve one, I suppose McCarron and McManus had good performances as did Flynn for Kildare. That last spot is probably between Flynn and Conroy with O'Donoughue and McShane with outside shouts. 

Way more games in those years though.

The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

From a Tyrone perspective: Morgan, Harte, Hampsey, Mc Geary, Meyler and Mc Curry have all legitimate claims to player of the year and are nailed on all stars.  Sludden, Mc Namee, Mc Kernan are nailed on all stars, Donnelly, Burns and Mc Kenna will be very close and possibly Kilpatrick would be in with a  very decent shout.. This year those first 10 or 11 have been consistently excellent in all Tyrone's championship games. 

I think you can justify Tyrone getting 1-7 but I don't think they'll do that. Unless they move a couple of them to the HF line.

Quote from: ONeill on September 14, 2021, 10:40:59 PM
I think you can justify Tyrone getting 1-7 but I don't think they'll do that. Unless they move a couple of them to the HF line.

Lee Keegan is nailed on

Lee Keegan would be my player of the year. Was mayo's best player v Tyrone, was sky motm v Dublin. Superb all round player.

Keegan a cert and deservedly so.

Quote from: ardtole on September 15, 2021, 07:56:01 AM
Lee Keegan would be my player of the year. Was mayo's best player v Tyrone, was sky motm v Dublin. Superb all round player.

He's probably mine as well. Could well win it if 2 of Morgan/Hampsey/McCurry/Meyler/McGeary get nominated alongside him.

Keegan was back to his best this year. He had a few injuries which were affecting his performance for a while.
In line for his 5th All Star.

It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.

Quote from: Cobra on September 15, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.

I would be in the Meyler camp for POTY. I think he has been absolutely outstanding all year on some difficult opponents but he will probably just miss out to McGeary. I think Meyler is Mr Consistent whereas McGeary has more "highlight" moments in matches terms of scores etc and this  will probably see him just edge it

Quote from: ardtole on September 15, 2021, 07:56:01 AM
Lee Keegan would be my player of the year. Was mayo's best player v Tyrone, was sky motm v Dublin. Superb all round player.

Keegan was poor enough against Galway and didn't play particularly well against Dublin for the first 45 minutes either. He was excellent since though, he doesn't deserve to player of the year. What a player though one of Mayo's best players in the 7 finals including the replay; The best player I've seen for Mayo.

Quote from: rodney trotter on September 15, 2021, 09:33:21 AM
Keegan was back to his best this year. He had a few injuries which were affecting his performance for a while.
In line for his 5th All Star.

Honestly thought when Con O'Callaghan was roasting him a couple of years back Keegan was finished. He has certainly proved me wrong since, one of my favourite players ever.

Quote from: Cobra on September 15, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.

McDonnell 03. Canavan could have gotten it. Oneill and cavanagh 05 and 08. While the personal accolades are nice, I'm sure the players aren't too worried.

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 15, 2021, 10:31:13 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

;D

I think McGeary deserves it in front of Meyler. It will be interesting though if one Mayo and two Tyrone get nominated. Mayo benefited from this before when 2 Dubs and 1 Mayo were nominated and the Mayo players (Keegan & Moran) won since I think it was decided by player votes.   

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 15, 2021, 10:31:13 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.

Quote from: rodney trotter on September 15, 2021, 09:33:21 AM
Keegan was back to his best this year. He had a few injuries which were affecting his performance for a while.
In line for his 5th All Star.

Lee Keegan is not just the greatest footballer never to win an All-Ireland, he's one of the greatest footballers ever to play the game.

If the GAA were doing an update of their Teams of the Century/Millennium, he'd walk into the number 5 jersey. A decade ago I'd have said the same about Tomás O'Se, but Keegan has surpassed him, and his contemporary James McCarthy, who is also not a bad footballer at all at all.

Quote from: Cobra on September 15, 2021, 09:34:35 AM
It is hard to overlook McGeary as POTY. However when Tyrone do win an AI they do there best not to select Tyrone players for this award.

Apart from ONeill and Cavanagh!

Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 11:16:49 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 15, 2021, 10:31:13 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.

Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him. 

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 12:59:17 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 11:16:49 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 15, 2021, 10:31:13 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.

Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him.

I thought P Clifford was very good until the Tyrone game.

Quote from: RedHand88 on September 15, 2021, 01:01:23 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 12:59:17 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 11:16:49 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 15, 2021, 10:31:13 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.

Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him.

I thought P Clifford was very good until the Tyrone game.

Yeah he was class up until he met a decent team...

Quote from: RedHand88 on September 15, 2021, 01:01:23 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 15, 2021, 12:59:17 PM

Quote from: blanketattack on September 15, 2021, 11:16:49 AM

Quote from: Never beat the deeler on September 15, 2021, 10:31:13 AM

Quote from: sid waddell on September 14, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
The six forward slots seem fairly obvious to me.

Two each from Tyrone, Mayo and Kerry.

Meyler, McCurry, Conroy, O'Donoghue, Clifford, Clifford.

Beyond that you're looking at McManus, McCarron, Flynn, Kilkenny, Sludden, Donnelly, Sean O'Shea, even Conor McKenna on "moments".

Is D. Clifford definitely deserving of one? I know he was v good in the semi, and he WILL get one.
I didn't see the Munster final, but all the talk leading up to the Dublin game was about how quiet he had been all year and how he only scored one pointed free against Cork.

It was a knockout championship, so in knockout championships a great semi-final performance normally warrants an All-Star, especially a great losing semi-final display as it can't get undone by a poor performance in the final.
Besides that was v good v Tipp and Clare and didn't play badly v Cork, got on a lot of ball and set up other players rather than score himself.
Had a brilliant league campaign with Kerry (joint) champions. Kerry probably had their highest ever scoring average, scoring 13-70 in 4 games and Clifford played a part in a lot of those scores.

Yeah he probably does deserve one. All semi finalists will most likely get at least one and he is the most deserving of the Kerrymen. Honestly cant pick someone from Dublin where you couldnt very easily pick a brave few players in front of him.

I thought P Clifford was very good until the Tyrone game.

Can you really give someone an All Star based on performances against Tipp & Cork.

I know Kerry tanked cork and cork are not the power they were but they'd have put it up to a good few teams. They played Clare too.

Quote from: imtommygunn on September 15, 2021, 02:22:24 PM
I know Kerry tanked cork and cork are not the power they were but they'd have put it up to a good few teams. They played Clare too.

Munster this year was like Leinster most years-decent teams shite the bed against the big boys.

Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny

I would have that as my team as well and with Meyler as POTY

Same. I think that team is pretty spot on. And Meyler as well would be my player of the year.

Quote from: phpearse on September 17, 2021, 10:25:30 AM
I would have that as my team as well and with Meyler as POTY

David Moran, no chance.

Four Kerry players in comparison to two from Mayo. Mayo beat a couple of good teams. Kerry beat no one, period. Moran ffs we're having a laugh. That's nonsense

Some turnaround for Meyler, from someone who people didn't want on the Tyrone team (and someone who wouldn't have been a starter) to a regular and POTY candidate.

Quote from: Estimator on September 17, 2021, 10:20:31 AM
Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny

Thats the worst team I've seen so far from anyone, 4 Kerry players and 2 from Mayo is comical.

Quote from: Estimator on September 17, 2021, 10:20:31 AM
Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny

McKernan over O'Sullivan for starters. Moran no chance, Kilpatrick is a cert. Conror, Flynn and O'Donoughue all more deserving than Kilkenny. Wouldn't be giving Paudie Clifford one either, alright looking good against bad teams. If he's getting one Rian O'Neill deserves one too because he put in a class performance against a very good Monaghan team.

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 17, 2021, 12:30:02 PM

Quote from: Estimator on September 17, 2021, 10:20:31 AM
Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny

McKernan over O'Sullivan for starters. Moran no chance, Kilpatrick is a cert. Conror, Flynn and O'Donoughue all more deserving than Kilkenny. Wouldn't be giving Paudie Clifford one either, alright looking good against bad teams. If he's getting one O'Neill deserves one too because he put in a class performance against a very good Monaghan team.

He'll get a token nomination.

So that the big journalists can say "of course we watch the earlier rounds of the championship "

Quote from: BennyCake on September 17, 2021, 01:09:28 PM

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 17, 2021, 12:30:02 PM

Quote from: Estimator on September 17, 2021, 10:20:31 AM
Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny

McKernan over O'Sullivan for starters. Moran no chance, Kilpatrick is a cert. Conror, Flynn and O'Donoughue all more deserving than Kilkenny. Wouldn't be giving Paudie Clifford one either, alright looking good against bad teams. If he's getting one O'Neill deserves one too because he put in a class performance against a very good Monaghan team.

He'll get a token nomination.

So that the big journalists can say "of course we watch the earlier rounds of the championship "

It would be a deserved nomination but he has no chance of getting an actual all star

Quote from: Armagh18 on September 17, 2021, 12:30:02 PM

Quote from: Estimator on September 17, 2021, 10:20:31 AM
Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny
[/quote]McKernan over O'Sullivan for starters. Moran no chance, Kilpatrick is a cert. Conror, Flynn and O'Donoughue all more deserving than Kilkenny. Wouldn't be giving Paudie Clifford one either, alright looking good against bad teams. If he's getting one Rian O'Neill deserves one too because he put in a class performance against a very good Monaghan team.

Whatever about the rest, the bit in bold is more nonsense than Moran in for POTY

Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 17, 2021, 11:09:33 AM

Quote from: Estimator on September 17, 2021, 10:20:31 AM
Cahair O'Kane has picked his selection:
1. Niall Morgan
2. Tom O'Sullivan
3. Ronan McNamee
4. Padraig Hampsey
5. Lee Keegan
6. Peter Harte
7. Kieran McGeary
8. Matthew Ruane
9. David Moran
10. Conor Meyler FOTY
11. Paudie Clifford
12. Niall Sludden
13. Darren McCurry
14. David Clifford
15. Ciaran Kilkenny

Thats the worst team I've seen so far from anyone, 4 Kerry players and 2 from Mayo is comical.

But All Stars are individual and not team.

Kerry drew with Tyrone and Mayo were well beaten by them. Tyrone won the midfield battle v Mayo and Kerry won the midfield battle v Tyrone. Definitely a case for a Kerry midfielder.

Tom O'Sullivan had an excellent semi final. The Sunday Game picked Paddy Durcan as their corner back. If I was picking an Ireland GAA team to play tomorrow, Paddy Durcan would absolutely be in my team, but he's had a quiet year. Played okay in both semi and final, but no big impact. Stephen Coen deserves an All Star more for 2021 performances, so I think a tight call between himself and O'Sullivan. Albeit wouldn't be surprised if Durcan gets it purely on reputation.

The league does count too. Especially in a year with knockout championship. So Paudie Clifford is deserving. Certainly moreso than any Mayo or Dublin forward.

Paudie Clifford had a fine game in the semi-final. So did his marker Conor Meyler.

It is far from unheard of for this to happen - it's called a great individual battle - see Keith Higgins/James O'Donoghue in the 2014 replay in Limerick and Seamus Moynihan/Oisin McConville in the 2000 semi-final replay.

P. Clifford is very deserving of an All-Star.

Who on the past got player of the year for man marking players, 2 of which are defenders, yip, nobody. Kieran McGeary should be player of the year as he was consistently Tyrone best player along with Darren McCurry. McCurry will lose out due to limited impact in the Kerry game.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 23, 2021, 10:05:21 AM
Who on the past got player of the year for man marking players, 2 of which are defenders, yip, nobody. Kieran McGeary should be player of the year as he was consistently Tyrone best player along with Darren McCurry. McCurry will lose out due to limited impact in the Kerry game.

Meyler has a great shout as well, so does Morgan. I'm hoping Keegan gets nominated and wins it though.

Morgan

O'Sullivan
McNamee
Hampsey

Keegan
McGeary
Harte

Ruane
Kilpatrick

Sludden
Rian O'Neill
Meyler

McCurry
Clifford
O'Donoghue

Kerry and Dublin are hamstrung by the fact that they failed to beat any Div 1 team in the Championship. Mayo beat 2, Tyrone beat 3 (and Mayo).

O'Sullivan and Clifford get theirs on the basis of their performances against Tyrone. P Clifford and S O'Shea struggled against Tyrone and were dominated by Meyler and Hampsey.

R O'Neill gave the best individual display this Championship against Monaghan.

It's easy to give them out to Tyrone this year as they had to beat numerous good teams - reigning Ulster champs, 3 division 1 teams and last years AI runners up.

I've a feeling McNamee will be done out of another all star, he deserved one in 2015 too but was overlooked there.

Quote from: Tres Bien on October 01, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
Morgan

O'Sullivan
McNamee
Hampsey

Keegan
McGeary
Harte

Ruane
Kilpatrick

Sludden
Rian O'Neill
Meyler

McCurry
Clifford
O'Donoghue

Kerry and Dublin are hamstrung by the fact that they failed to beat any Div 1 team in the Championship. Mayo beat 2, Tyrone beat 3 (and Mayo).

O'Sullivan and Clifford get theirs on the basis of their performances against Tyrone. P Clifford and S O'Shea struggled against Tyrone and were dominated by Meyler and Hampsey.

R O'Neill gave the best individual display this Championship against Monaghan.

It's easy to give them out to Tyrone this year as they had to beat numerous good teams - reigning Ulster champs, 3 division 1 teams and last years AI runners up.

I've a feeling McNamee will be done out of another all star, he deserved one in 2015 too but was overlooked there.

Angelo would agree with all of that.

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 01, 2021, 12:26:09 PM

Quote from: Tres Bien on October 01, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
Morgan

O'Sullivan
McNamee
Hampsey

Keegan
McGeary
Harte

Ruane
Kilpatrick

Sludden
Rian O'Neill
Meyler

McCurry
Clifford
O'Donoghue

Kerry and Dublin are hamstrung by the fact that they failed to beat any Div 1 team in the Championship. Mayo beat 2, Tyrone beat 3 (and Mayo).

O'Sullivan and Clifford get theirs on the basis of their performances against Tyrone. P Clifford and S O'Shea struggled against Tyrone and were dominated by Meyler and Hampsey.

R O'Neill gave the best individual display this Championship against Monaghan.

It's easy to give them out to Tyrone this year as they had to beat numerous good teams - reigning Ulster champs, 3 division 1 teams and last years AI runners up.

I've a feeling McNamee will be done out of another all star, he deserved one in 2015 too but was overlooked there.

Angelo would agree with all of that.

I would not doubt it. He was a very reasonable and pragmatic poster.

Quote from: Tres Bien on October 07, 2021, 04:11:15 PM

Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 01, 2021, 12:26:09 PM

Quote from: Tres Bien on October 01, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
Morgan

O'Sullivan
McNamee
Hampsey

Keegan
McGeary
Harte

Ruane
Kilpatrick

Sludden
Rian O'Neill
Meyler

McCurry
Clifford
O'Donoghue

Kerry and Dublin are hamstrung by the fact that they failed to beat any Div 1 team in the Championship. Mayo beat 2, Tyrone beat 3 (and Mayo).

O'Sullivan and Clifford get theirs on the basis of their performances against Tyrone. P Clifford and S O'Shea struggled against Tyrone and were dominated by Meyler and Hampsey.

R O'Neill gave the best individual display this Championship against Monaghan.

It's easy to give them out to Tyrone this year as they had to beat numerous good teams - reigning Ulster champs, 3 division 1 teams and last years AI runners up.

I've a feeling McNamee will be done out of another all star, he deserved one in 2015 too but was overlooked there.

Angelo would agree with all of that.

I would not doubt it. He was a very reasonable and pragmatic poster.

;D

I see both ONeills have been nominated

The fact that Keegan got nominated for POTY gives him a good chance now. Due to the nature of the voting process, it worked in Mayos favour before when there were 2 Dubs and one Mayo nominated and it could benefit them again given that there is no clear and obvious winner between McGeary and Meyler. Personally I think McGeary deserves it.

As far as young POTY is concerned there is no real stand out candidate either, though possibly Tierney deserves it based on performances. There must be a severe shortage of candidates if Canavan got selected for a few fleeting appearances from the bench. I'm not sure whether they can select an underage player or not but if so I would have selected Bryant from the Offaly Under-20 team.   

Quote from: yellowcard on October 08, 2021, 09:27:17 AM
The fact that Keegan got nominated for POTY gives him a good chance now. Due to the nature of the voting process, it worked in Mayos favour before when there were 2 Dubs and one Mayo nominated and it could benefit them again given that there is no clear and obvious winner between McGeary and Meyler. Personally I think McGeary deserves it.

As far as young POTY is concerned there is no real stand out candidate either, though possibly Tierney deserves it based on performances. There must be a severe shortage of candidates if Canavan got selected for a few fleeting appearances from the bench. I'm not sure whether they can select an underage player or not but if so I would have selected Bryant from the Offaly Under-20 team.

Not an underage award so no to the Offaly boy.

Quote from: yellowcard on October 08, 2021, 09:27:17 AM
The fact that Keegan got nominated for POTY gives him a good chance now. Due to the nature of the voting process, it worked in Mayos favour before when there were 2 Dubs and one Mayo nominated and it could benefit them again given that there is no clear and obvious winner between McGeary and Meyler. Personally I think McGeary deserves it.

As far as young POTY is concerned there is no real stand out candidate either, though possibly Tierney deserves it based on performances. There must be a severe shortage of candidates if Canavan got selected for a few fleeting appearances from the bench. I'm not sure whether they can select an underage player or not but if so I would have selected Bryant from the Offaly Under-20 team.

Think it's done by a PR system so I'd expect McGeary will get it though I'd give to Meyler personally.


Tierney should win YFOTY, Canavan only had a few fleeting substitute appearances while Mullin missed the semi final and was probably somewhat at fault for the McShane goal in the final.

Given the fact that players now are not really physically developed for intercounty football until they are 22/23 I think the YFOTY should probably now be u23 rather than u21. Gone are the days of 18 year olds arriving on the scene and starring for their county teams.

Quote from: Tres Bien on October 08, 2021, 10:11:26 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on October 08, 2021, 09:27:17 AM
The fact that Keegan got nominated for POTY gives him a good chance now. Due to the nature of the voting process, it worked in Mayos favour before when there were 2 Dubs and one Mayo nominated and it could benefit them again given that there is no clear and obvious winner between McGeary and Meyler. Personally I think McGeary deserves it.

As far as young POTY is concerned there is no real stand out candidate either, though possibly Tierney deserves it based on performances. There must be a severe shortage of candidates if Canavan got selected for a few fleeting appearances from the bench. I'm not sure whether they can select an underage player or not but if so I would have selected Bryant from the Offaly Under-20 team.

Think it's done by a PR system so I'd expect McGeary will get it though I'd give to Meyler personally.


Tierney should win YFOTY, Canavan only had a few fleeting substitute appearances while Mullin missed the semi final and was probably somewhat at fault for the McShane goal in the final.

Given the fact that players now are not really physically developed for intercounty football until they are 22/23 I think the YFOTY should probably now be u23 rather than u21. Gone are the days of 18 year olds arriving on the scene and starring for their county teams.

I didn't know that the POTY used a PR system, but that is a fairer method and in that case I don't think Keegan will win it.

I'd agree with the change in YPOTY to include Under 23. The list of candidates this year just shows the lack of player pool making an impact at senior level and with the advent of the split season there will be less players making the breakthrough as they are left with the Under 20 team which is almost like a development side.

Nominations

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/all-star-football-nominations-revealed-dublin-with-lowest-haul-since-2010-as-tyrone-get-full-house-40928594.html

PWC ALL-STARS FOOTBALL NOMINATIONS 2021

Goalkeepers – Niall Morgan (Tyrone), Rob Hennelly (Mayo), Rory Beggan (Monaghan)

Defenders – Pádraig Hampsey, Peter Harte, Michael McKernan, Ronan McNamee, Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary, Frank Burns (all Tyrone); Lee Keegan, Patrick Durcan, Pádraig O'Hora, Stephen Coen (all Mayo); Tom O'Sullivan, Gavin White, Brian Ó Beaglaoich (all Kerry); Mick Fitzsimons, Brian Howard (both Dublin); Seán Meehan (Cork), Ryan McAnespie (Monaghan)

Midfielders – Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick (both Tyrone); Matthew Ruane (Mayo), David Moran (Kerry), Oisín O'Neill (Armagh), Brian Fenton (Dublin)

Forwards – Niall Sludden, Conor McKenna, Darren McCurry, Mattie Donnelly, Cathal McShane (all Tyrone); Seán O'Shea, Paudie Clifford, David Clifford (all Kerry); Ryan O'Donoghue, Tommy Conroy (both Mayo); Ciarán Kilkenny, Cormac Costello (both Dublin); Rian O'Neill (Armagh), Eoin Cleary (Clare), Michael Langan (Donegal), Jack McCarron (Monaghan), Shane Walsh (Galway), Daniel Flynn (Kildare)

PWC GAA/GPA FOOTBALLER OF THE YEAR NOMINEES – Conor Meyler, Kieran McGeary (both Tyrone); Lee Keegan (Mayo)

PWC GAA/GPA YOUNG FOOTBALLER OF THE YEAR NOMINEES – Matthew Tierney (Galway), Oisín Mullin (Mayo), Darragh Canavan (Tyrone)

Quote from: yellowcard on October 08, 2021, 10:40:14 AM

Quote from: Tres Bien on October 08, 2021, 10:11:26 AM

Quote from: yellowcard on October 08, 2021, 09:27:17 AM
The fact that Keegan got nominated for POTY gives him a good chance now. Due to the nature of the voting process, it worked in Mayos favour before when there were 2 Dubs and one Mayo nominated and it could benefit them again given that there is no clear and obvious winner between McGeary and Meyler. Personally I think McGeary deserves it.

As far as young POTY is concerned there is no real stand out candidate either, though possibly Tierney deserves it based on performances. There must be a severe shortage of candidates if Canavan got selected for a few fleeting appearances from the bench. I'm not sure whether they can select an underage player or not but if so I would have selected Bryant from the Offaly Under-20 team.

Think it's done by a PR system so I'd expect McGeary will get it though I'd give to Meyler personally.


Tierney should win YFOTY, Canavan only had a few fleeting substitute appearances while Mullin missed the semi final and was probably somewhat at fault for the McShane goal in the final.

Given the fact that players now are not really physically developed for intercounty football until they are 22/23 I think the YFOTY should probably now be u23 rather than u21. Gone are the days of 18 year olds arriving on the scene and starring for their county teams.

I didn't know that the POTY used a PR system, but that is a fairer method and in that case I don't think Keegan will win it.

I'd agree with the change in YPOTY to include Under 23. The list of candidates this year just shows the lack of player pool making an impact at senior level and with the advent of the split season there will be less players making the breakthrough as they are left with the Under 20 team which is almost like a development side.

That was always likely to happen once the U21 grade was scrapped.

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Morgan

O'Sullivan
McNamee
Hampsey

Keegan
McGeary
Harte

Ruane
Kilpatrick

Sludden
Rian O'Neill
Meyler

McCurry
Clifford
O'Donoghue

Kerry and Dublin are hamstrung by the fact that they failed to beat any Div 1 team in the Championship. Mayo beat 2, Tyrone beat 3 (and Mayo).

O'Sullivan and Clifford get theirs on the basis of their performances against Tyrone. P Clifford and S O'Shea struggled against Tyrone and were dominated by Meyler and Hampsey.

R O'Neill gave the best individual display this Championship against Monaghan.

It's easy to give them out to Tyrone this year as they had to beat numerous good teams - reigning Ulster champs, 3 division 1 teams and last years AI runners up.

I've a feeling McNamee will be done out of another all star, he deserved one in 2015 too but was overlooked there.

Angelo would agree with all of that.

I would not doubt it. He was a very reasonable and pragmatic poster.

;D

Rian O'Neill has zero chance. One decent game in an Ulster semi doesn't cut it. He's in there as a token gesture to Burns. Mind you an All-Star nomination itself is probably the biggest achievement for Armagh football in over a decade. Well done the Orchard.

Before Dublin tore the arse out of the system the all Ireland champions would usually win POTY. Mayo won't be getting a sympathy POTY this year.

Quote from: seafoid on October 09, 2021, 07:23:32 AM
Before Dublin tore the arse out of the system the all Ireland champions would usually win POTY. Mayo won't be getting a sympathy POTY this year.

I get sort of what you are saying, but Lee Keegan and Andy Moran were in no way sympathy POTY winners! You tell me any player that was better than either in their given year?

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Morgan

O'Sullivan
McNamee
Hampsey

Keegan
McGeary
Harte

Ruane
Kilpatrick

Sludden
Rian O'Neill
Meyler

McCurry
Clifford
O'Donoghue

Kerry and Dublin are hamstrung by the fact that they failed to beat any Div 1 team in the Championship. Mayo beat 2, Tyrone beat 3 (and Mayo).

O'Sullivan and Clifford get theirs on the basis of their performances against Tyrone. P Clifford and S O'Shea struggled against Tyrone and were dominated by Meyler and Hampsey.

R O'Neill gave the best individual display this Championship against Monaghan.

It's easy to give them out to Tyrone this year as they had to beat numerous good teams - reigning Ulster champs, 3 division 1 teams and last years AI runners up.

I've a feeling McNamee will be done out of another all star, he deserved one in 2015 too but was overlooked there.

Angelo would agree with all of that.

I would not doubt it. He was a very reasonable and pragmatic poster.

;D

Rian O'Neill has zero chance. One decent game in an Ulster semi doesn't cut it. He's in there as a token gesture to Burns. Mind you an All-Star nomination itself is probably the biggest achievement for Armagh football in over a decade. Well done the Orchard.

If he was playing for Kerry he'd be rated as highly as David Clifford. Fully deserves that nomination.

I think R O'Neill deserves an all star.

He probably had the best individual display in what was probably the game of the championship against a very good Monaghan side.

He's certainly done more to merit one than the likes of Sean O'Shea or Paudie Clifford this year who both flopped on All Ireland semi final day and doing in trimmings to the likes of Clare, Tipp and Cork ain't going to cut it.

Quote from: Tres Bien on October 09, 2021, 05:29:08 PM
I think R O'Neill deserves an all star.

He probably had the best individual display in what was probably the game of the championship against a very good Monaghan side.

He's certainly done more to merit one than the likes of Sean O'Shea or Paudie Clifford this year who both flopped on All Ireland semi final day and doing in trimmings to the likes of Clare, Tipp and Cork ain't going to cut it.

Hard to see him getting one without having at least got to an Ulster final but I agree his performance against Monaghan was as good as anything we saw all year. Having said that theres probably enough Tyrone and Mayo lads deserving one as well. Jack MCarron was class that day as well.

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Quote from: Tres Bien on October 09, 2021, 05:29:08 PM
I think R O'Neill deserves an all star.

He probably had the best individual display in what was probably the game of the championship against a very good Monaghan side.

He's certainly done more to merit one than the likes of Sean O'Shea or Paudie Clifford this year who both flopped on All Ireland semi final day and doing in trimmings to the likes of Clare, Tipp and Cork ain't going to cut it.

Hard to see him getting one without having at least got to an Ulster final but I agree his performance against Monaghan was as good as anything we saw all year. Having said that theres probably enough Tyrone and Mayo lads deserving one as well. Jack MCarron was class that day as well.

It's a strange season though, as was last year - no back door for players to impress. Tyrone, Monaghan and Mayo are the only teams who had more than one game against a Div 1 side and the only sides who beat a Div 1 side.

Mayo's form was patchy enough too, two turkey shoots v Div 4 sides, two games where they only really played in the second half and then a final where they flopped. That's the reason I'd expect min 8/9 Tyrone all stars this year. In normal seasons the back door gives opportunities for those who exit the provincials early to add to their form.

Keegan the only nailed on All Star for Mayo. Maybe Ryan O'Donoghue as well.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 09, 2021, 06:19:19 PM
Keegan the only nailed on All Star for Mayo. Maybe Ryan O'Donoghue as well.

Ruane is also nailed on in midfield.

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Keegan the only nailed on All Star for Mayo. Maybe Ryan O'Donoghue as well.

Ruane is also nailed on in midfield.

If his final performance doesn't go against him then yes, but he was poor on the biggest day of all.

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Morgan

O'Sullivan
McNamee
Hampsey

Keegan
McGeary
Harte

Ruane
Kilpatrick

Sludden
Rian O'Neill
Meyler

McCurry
Clifford
O'Donoghue

Kerry and Dublin are hamstrung by the fact that they failed to beat any Div 1 team in the Championship. Mayo beat 2, Tyrone beat 3 (and Mayo).

O'Sullivan and Clifford get theirs on the basis of their performances against Tyrone. P Clifford and S O'Shea struggled against Tyrone and were dominated by Meyler and Hampsey.

R O'Neill gave the best individual display this Championship against Monaghan.

It's easy to give them out to Tyrone this year as they had to beat numerous good teams - reigning Ulster champs, 3 division 1 teams and last years AI runners up.

I've a feeling McNamee will be done out of another all star, he deserved one in 2015 too but was overlooked there.

Angelo would agree with all of that.

I would not doubt it. He was a very reasonable and pragmatic poster.

;D

Rian O'Neill has zero chance. One decent game in an Ulster semi doesn't cut it. He's in there as a token gesture to Burns. Mind you an All-Star nomination itself is probably the biggest achievement for Armagh football in over a decade. Well done the Orchard.

If he was playing for Kerry he'd be rated as highly as David Clifford. Fully deserves that nomination.

If he was playing for Kerry he'd have played in the AI semi final ffs and maybe would deserve a shout! Having a good game while exiting the Ulster semi against a team that's never even won a championship game in croker never mind got near an AI hardly warrants an all-star nomination. Let's get real.

Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 09, 2021, 10:49:28 PM

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Keegan the only nailed on All Star for Mayo. Maybe Ryan O'Donoghue as well.

Ruane is also nailed on in midfield.

If his final performance doesn't go against him then yes, but he was poor on the biggest day of all.

It shouldn't go against him. He was one of main reason why Mayo won the Connacht final and beat Dublin in the AI semi final.

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Keegan the only nailed on All Star for Mayo. Maybe Ryan O'Donoghue as well.

Ruane is also nailed on in midfield.

If his final performance doesn't go against him then yes, but he was poor on the biggest day of all.

Came up against a better man on the day. Usual story

Just seen Meyler & McGeary are nominated in the backs, that's idiotic. A clear agenda to get someone an All Star in the forwards who doesn't deserve one.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 12, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
Just seen Meyler & McGeary are nominated in the backs, that's idiotic. A clear agenda to get someone an All Star in the forwards who doesn't deserve one.

Theres always someone shoehorned in where they shouldn't be

Quote from: Maroon Manc on October 12, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
Just seen Meyler & McGeary are nominated in the backs, that's idiotic. A clear agenda to get someone an All Star in the forwards who doesn't deserve one.

It does seem like there is a reason for switching those 2 players into defence but it's not exactly like there is an abundance of top quality forwards that need accomodating. The 3 POTY candidates are now all nominated defenders.

Who actually picks these All Stars? I remember that it used to be a select list of journalists, is this still the case.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/pwc-gaa-gpa-all-stars-banquet-cancelled/

The winners, 8 for Tyrone, 3 for Mayo, 3 for Kerry and 1 for Dublin

2021 All Stars

Niall Morgan (Tyrone)

Padraig Hampsey (Tyrone) Lee Keegan (Mayo) Tom O'Sullivan (Kerry)

Kieran McGeary (Tyrone) Peter Harte (Tyrone)
Conor Meyler (Tyrone)

Brian Kennedy (Tyrone) Matthew Ruane (Mayo)

Niall Sludden (Tyrone) Paudie Clifford (Kerry)
Darren McCurry (Tyrone)

Ciaran Kilkenny (Dublin) Ryan O Donoghue (Mayo)
David Clifford (Kerry)

Decent return for Tyrone. Harsh on McKernan but suppose there's only 15 spots.

Kennedy is a massive surprise. You could argue the toss on a few others but all in all it's a fair selection overall I would say.

Footballer of the year Kieran McGeary and for a 2nd year in a row young player of the year Oisín Mullin

Kennedy??  All stars seem to come down to 3 games, final, all Ireland semi, all Ireland final, its been donkeys years since a players performance was based on a entire year's performance.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on December 10, 2021, 08:24:37 PM
Kennedy??  All stars seem to come down to 3 games, final, all Ireland semi, all Ireland final, its been donkeys years since a players performance was based on a entire year's performance.

Kennedy has done well to get an all-star, even in the final I thought Kilpatrick was the better of the two and I wouldn't have gave Kilpatrick one either. McKernan and possibly McNamee can feel disappointed.

How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

Quote from: greatpoint on December 10, 2021, 08:48:43 PM
How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKiernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

Those picking these All Stars probably looked at the fact Kerry was joint winners of the Div 1 league and lost to Tyrone after extra time by the narrowest of margins.

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How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKiernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

Those picking these All Stars probably looked at the fact Kerry was joint winners of the Div 1 league and lost to Tyrone after extra time by the narrowest of margins.

Losing by the narrowest of margins in a game where they were strong favourites?

Being joint winners of the League is definitely as important as coming back from 7 points down against the best team to ever play the game, and making the All-Ireland final.

All very logical.

Mullin must got his then for his performances in Connacht cause he didn't play the semi and was poor in the final.

You looking all stars based on the Dublin game when you couldn't hit a barn door and were very poor in the final.

Is this the first year were the young player of the year didn't win an All Star?
Clifford lucky to win one as well. They should just rename the All Stars to the All Ireland series awards. All Stars are handed out based on semi final/final performances. Rest of the year is irrelevant

Jesus lads, Clifford was like a one man show in the semi final against Tyrone.  Not sure how things would have panned out had he not got injured.  Fully deserving I think

Who are the other boys hard done by then? Think it's a pretty fair 15, apart from maybe Kennedy, although not sure who should be there in his place

Quote from: An Watcher on December 10, 2021, 09:15:34 PM
Jesus lads, Clifford was like a one man show in the semi final against Tyrone.  Not sure how things would have panned out had he not got injured.  Fully deserving I think

That's my point. All Star handed out based on one game.

Quote from: smort on December 10, 2021, 09:17:44 PM
Who are the other boys hard done by then? Think it's a pretty fair 15, apart from maybe Kennedy, although not sure who should be there in his place

Yeah the midfield options weren't exactly hectic this year.

Quote from: dublin7 on December 10, 2021, 09:11:29 PM
Is this the first year were the young player of the year didn't win an All Star?

Pretty sure it's happened a good few times before.

Would O'Sullivan have deserved one?

Quote from: An Watcher on December 10, 2021, 09:15:34 PM
Jesus lads, Clifford was like a one man show in the semi final against Tyrone.  Not sure how things would have panned out had he not got injured.  Fully deserving I think

David Clifford deserved one, his brother did not.

Paudie was fantastic throughout the year before getting shackled in the semifinal. He could easily have been up for POTY if kerry had gotten to the final

Quote from: greatpoint on December 10, 2021, 08:48:43 PM
How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

The best team in Ireland in 2021 was Tyrone, and Kerry lost to them by a point after extra time.
Tyrone had Mayo beaten a long way out from the final whistle in the final.
Mayo might have beaten Dublin but Dublin were a pale shadow of themselves, especially evident in earlier games such as v Meath.
Any kudos Mayo got from beating Dublin was more than lost in the poor showing in the All-Ireland final.

Also, league form plays a part. Kerry were joint winners with the best record overall with a points difference of +44 across the 4 games.

On that basis Kerry are at least as deserving as the same amount as Mayo.

Whoever played the Covid card deserves an all star

Clifford not score rightly through the league?

Quote from: imtommygunn on December 10, 2021, 09:50:18 PM
Would O'Sullivan have deserved one?

Probably get All Star for scoring in most games. In 3 munster championship games spent more time in the forwards when pressed up on opposition kickouts. His marker usually played out the field.  The only championship game played in defence had a good first half on McCurry who then came into the game after that.  Would have McKiernan in before him.

Quote from: dublin7 on December 10, 2021, 09:11:29 PM
Is this the first year were the young player of the year didn't win an All Star?

It's happened a lot for Mayo players. Cillian O'Connor won Young player of the year 2011, 2012 didnt win All star the same happened for brother Diarmuid in 2015/16

O'Sullivan and Kilkenny getting all stars. Ridiculous stuff. Any of Michael McKernan, Paddy Durcan, Ronan McNammee, Frank Burns, Tommy Conroy, Jack McCarron, Mattie Donnelly, Cathal McShane and Conor McKenna would have been more deserving.
Suspect they didn't want to give Tyrone 5/6 defensive positions.

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Quote from: greatpoint on December 10, 2021, 08:48:43 PM
How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It’s hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don’t deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I’d imagine McKernan’s discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

The best team in Ireland in 2021 was Tyrone, and Kerry lost to them by a point after extra time.
Tyrone had Mayo beaten a long way out from the final whistle in the final.
Mayo might have beaten Dublin but Dublin were a pale shadow of themselves, especially evident in earlier games such as v Meath.
Any kudos Mayo got from beating Dublin was more than lost in the poor showing in the All-Ireland final.

Also, league form plays a part. Kerry were joint winners with the best record overall with a points difference of +44 across the 4 games.

On that basis Kerry are at least as deserving as the same amount as Mayo.

Again, Kerry lost to Tyrone despite being heavy favourites and having beaten them by 16 points at the end of the League. Kerry generally do well in the League and have lost the Munster Championship once in a decade, should they be nailed on for a minimum of three All-Stars every year then?

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Quote from: greatpoint on December 10, 2021, 08:48:43 PM
How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

The best team in Ireland in 2021 was Tyrone, and Kerry lost to them by a point after extra time.
Tyrone had Mayo beaten a long way out from the final whistle in the final.
Mayo might have beaten Dublin but Dublin were a pale shadow of themselves, especially evident in earlier games such as v Meath.
Any kudos Mayo got from beating Dublin was more than lost in the poor showing in the All-Ireland final.

Also, league form plays a part. Kerry were joint winners with the best record overall with a points difference of +44 across the 4 games.

On that basis Kerry are at least as deserving as the same amount as Mayo.

Again, Kerry lost to Tyrone despite being heavy favourites and having beaten them by 16 points at the end of the League. Kerry generally do well in the League and have lost the Munster Championship once in a decade, should they be nailed on for a minimum of three All-Stars every year then?

I think they do generally well in the championship as well, multiple All Ireland's

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Quote from: greatpoint on December 11, 2021, 04:09:48 PM

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Quote from: greatpoint on December 10, 2021, 08:48:43 PM
How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

The best team in Ireland in 2021 was Tyrone, and Kerry lost to them by a point after extra time.
Tyrone had Mayo beaten a long way out from the final whistle in the final.
Mayo might have beaten Dublin but Dublin were a pale shadow of themselves, especially evident in earlier games such as v Meath.
Any kudos Mayo got from beating Dublin was more than lost in the poor showing in the All-Ireland final.

Also, league form plays a part. Kerry were joint winners with the best record overall with a points difference of +44 across the 4 games.

On that basis Kerry are at least as deserving as the same amount as Mayo.

Again, Kerry lost to Tyrone despite being heavy favourites and having beaten them by 16 points at the end of the League. Kerry generally do well in the League and have lost the Munster Championship once in a decade, should they be nailed on for a minimum of three All-Stars every year then?

I think they do generally well in the championship as well, multiple All Ireland's

In that case, Kerry should be expecting a minimum of five All-Stars a year. They're actually being treated very unfairly.

In what case? should  it should be based on getting x amount all stars because they were favourites against Tyrone! Completely stupid comment.

If losing by a point against the eventual winners after extra time, in the championship are they the best team Tyrone met? If not then other counties should have got more all stars!

Stupid recognition process anyway, have no thrill for this in any form be in inter county or club related. Completely flawed

All Stars are always a mess!
How the hell did Oisin Mullen get YPOTY?
There is a Monopoly among the BIG counties always.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 08:51:17 PM
In what case? should  it should be based on getting x amount all stars because they were favourites against Tyrone! Completely stupid comment.

If losing by a point against the eventual winners after extra time, in the championship are they the best team Tyrone met? If not then other counties should have got more all stars!

Stupid recognition process anyway, have no thrill for this in any form be in inter county or club related. Completely flawed

(I wasn't being serious pet)

Your comment about Kerry generally doing well in the Championship and "multiple Irelands" holds no relevance. Kerry have fallen off a cliff in the last 12 years in terms of their historical All-Ireland record. Despite this they have remained strong in the league and Munster Championship, which is what I said.

Quote from: From the Bunker on December 11, 2021, 10:54:33 PM
All Stars are always a mess!
How the hell did Oisin Mullen get YPOTY?
There is a Monopoly among the BIG counties always.

Others nominated for Young player of the year was Matthew Tierney (Galway) Darragh Canavan (Tyrone) do you believe one of those should have won it instead of Mullen?

Lads, it's a novelty award. Just like the ballon d'or. It's a team sport. Stop allowing sponsors to tell you it matters. It doesn't.

I'm surprised some people are still taking this nonsense seriously.

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Quote from: dublin7 on December 10, 2021, 09:11:29 PM
Is this the first year were the young player of the year didn't win an All Star?

It's happened a lot for Mayo players. Cillian O'Connor won Young player of the year 2011, 2012 didnt win All star the same happened for brother Diarmuid in 2015/16

Happens a lot for everyone. Fewer than 1 in 3 YPOTY awards covert to full All Stars. Bit of a silly question from the Dub.

For most of award's history it has been used as a quasi 16th All Star, especially in years with stronger competition for places.

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Quote from: blanketattack on December 10, 2021, 10:33:43 PM

Quote from: greatpoint on December 10, 2021, 08:48:43 PM
How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

The best team in Ireland in 2021 was Tyrone, and Kerry lost to them by a point after extra time.
Tyrone had Mayo beaten a long way out from the final whistle in the final.
Mayo might have beaten Dublin but Dublin were a pale shadow of themselves, especially evident in earlier games such as v Meath.
Any kudos Mayo got from beating Dublin was more than lost in the poor showing in the All-Ireland final.

Also, league form plays a part. Kerry were joint winners with the best record overall with a points difference of +44 across the 4 games.

On that basis Kerry are at least as deserving as the same amount as Mayo.

Again, Kerry lost to Tyrone despite being heavy favourites and having beaten them by 16 points at the end of the League. Kerry generally do well in the League and have lost the Munster Championship once in a decade, should they be nailed on for a minimum of three All-Stars every year then?

Favouritism relates to the volume of money being bet on either team. Why should that have anything to do with All-Stars or anything else for that matter? Kerry beating Tyrone by 16 points in the league only adds to their All-Star merits, for some bizarre reason you think it should count against them, as if losing to them by 16 points would have been better.
Kerry's only loss between Div 1 and C'ship was to lose to the Champions by 1 pt AET, compared to Mayo who performed meekly in their most important game, particularly in the crucial home straight, and the outcome wasn't in doubt long before it ended.
Contrast that to Kerry who put it up to Tyrone all the way through, and the game was still in the melting pot until the final whistle.

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How in under God did Kerry get the same number of All-Stars as Mayo? It's hilarious. Mayo take down the Dubs and make the final but still apparently don't deserve more than a team that won no games outside of their province. 

Paudie Clifford must have got one for his performances in the Munster Championship because it certainly had nothing to do with the semi-final.

I'd imagine McKernan's discipline worked against him when it came to All-Star selection.

The best team in Ireland in 2021 was Tyrone, and Kerry lost to them by a point after extra time.
Tyrone had Mayo beaten a long way out from the final whistle in the final.
Mayo might have beaten Dublin but Dublin were a pale shadow of themselves, especially evident in earlier games such as v Meath.
Any kudos Mayo got from beating Dublin was more than lost in the poor showing in the All-Ireland final.

Also, league form plays a part. Kerry were joint winners with the best record overall with a points difference of +44 across the 4 games.

On that basis Kerry are at least as deserving as the same amount as Mayo.

Again, Kerry lost to Tyrone despite being heavy favourites and having beaten them by 16 points at the end of the League. Kerry generally do well in the League and have lost the Munster Championship once in a decade, should they be nailed on for a minimum of three All-Stars every year then?

Favouritism relates to the volume of money being bet on either team. Why should that have anything to do with All-Stars or anything else for that matter? Kerry beating Tyrone by 16 points in the league only adds to their All-Star merits, for some bizarre reason you think it should count against them, as if losing to them by 16 points would have been better.
Kerry's only loss between Div 1 and C'ship was to lose to the Champions by 1 pt AET, compared to Mayo who performed meekly in their most important game, particularly in the crucial home straight, and the outcome wasn't in doubt long before it ended.
Contrast that to Kerry who put it up to Tyrone all the way through, and the game was still in the melting pot until the final whistle.

A long time when league results counted towards All Stars. Probably had tougher  A v B games than 3 games in munster.

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Is this the first year were the young player of the year didn't win an All Star?

It's happened a lot for Mayo players. Cillian O'Connor won Young player of the year 2011, 2012 didnt win All star the same happened for brother Diarmuid in 2015/16

Happens a lot for everyone. Fewer than 1 in 3 YPOTY awards covert to full All Stars. Bit of a silly question from the Dub.

For most of award's history it has been used as a quasi 16th All Star, especially in years with stronger competition for places.

Michael Murphy in 2009.

Think Ryan McHugh in 2014 also.

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All Stars are always a mess!
How the hell did Oisin Mullen get YPOTY?
There is a Monopoly among the BIG counties always.

Others nominated for Young player of the year was Matthew Tierney (Galway) Darragh Canavan (Tyrone) do you believe one of those should have won it instead of Mullen?

U20 player of the year should be confined to u20 championship.  Should increase young player to u23. With change from u21 to 20 not many lads u20 starting senior championship.

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Is this the first year were the young player of the year didn't win an All Star?

It's happened a lot for Mayo players. Cillian O'Connor won Young player of the year 2011, 2012 didnt win All star the same happened for brother Diarmuid in 2015/16

Happens a lot for everyone. Fewer than 1 in 3 YPOTY awards covert to full All Stars. Bit of a silly question from the Dub.

For most of award's history it has been used as a quasi 16th All Star, especially in years with stronger competition for places.

Michael Murphy in 2009.

Think Ryan McHugh in 2014 also.

Happened with Cormac Mc Anallen as well.

Tierney was good but only played 2 championship games. And struggled against Mayo. Canavan injured at the wrong time.

Aaron Kernan 05

There was a good show on RTÉ last night about 50 years of all stars. They'd some good interviews with people like Joe Connolly, (I think it was joe but one of the Connolly brothers), Peter canavan , Michael lyster and some family of the ones who came up with the all stars. (Tommy Walsh too and the earleys)

That was John Connolly.
Was nice to see and hear the Earleys.