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#16
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
August 06, 2023, 11:06:08 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on August 06, 2023, 09:43:52 PM
Well was sort wondering why a no of them not on it
The footballers from Slaughneil have over the year been very committed to Derry so I don't think its an anti-county thing.  I suspect their success has been due to extra training sessions which sometimes all players aren't able to commit to at this time ..... but i have little knowledge of who has or hasn't been asked to join the panel and I would reserve judgement on the blame game.
#17
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
August 02, 2023, 08:21:06 PM
Have to say we would have struggled to win an All Ireland in 93 without him .... after that I'm happy to read about / listen to him .... don't take him too serious .... he's mostly brings good entertainment value to a lot of stoic non-intelligent public debate on any subject and YES Joe loves to be the centre of attraction ...
#18
Quote from: statto on August 01, 2023, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on August 01, 2023, 12:00:44 PM
A lot of ifs and buts in the last page or so around who could have done better this year and who is in contention next year.

Next year is a new year and no doubt every team will have new issues and challenges. Teams will have saw how the new group type format panned out and perhaps approach next year differently so that could bring a whole different complexion to the championship.

After last year, I had Galway as serious contenders this year, but a few key injuries and a couple of flat performances meant they have dropped back again. Who knows what they will be next year. I wouldn't rule them out, but I also think they will find it more difficult to progress as the likes of Derry, Roscommon, Monaghan and Cork have all improved this year.

Derry could be in the same boat as Galway next year. No idea on the seriousness of the injury to McKinless for example. If we lose him to injury, or Rogers or McGuigan....the outlook for the year would be entirely different. If we keep everyone fit, sort out the management situation and find a consistent forward or 2 to support mcguigan then there's an AI there I feel. I think had we been able to get over the line against Kerry, we'd have pushed Dublin harder than Kerry did. But that might be oak leaf tinted glasses - just my opinion. From what I saw in the SF and Final, Derry are better than Kerry. Yes that's controversial perhaps, but it's what I think based on those games. Division 1 will be good for Derry next year and set them up better for a tilt at the AI - provided we stay injury free.

Mayo - had their chance again this year. Only positive they can take from it is that Dublin went on to win. Not sure what sort of prospect they will be next year.

Roscommon - I just can't see it. Hard to beat, very strong at home but lack a bit of quality.

Cork - might be a surprise package next year. They have improved immensely over the course of this year. Who knows what they will do next year under a very astute manager.

Tyrone - I think they are done with the current crop. The players who were there for the AI in 2 years ago are well past their best. The 2 canavan lads will undoubtedly form the core part of their attacking play going forward. Management apparently looking to stay on for another 3 years - which for me would be a mistake. I think they need to rebuild. Short term goals would be to become competitive in Ulster again.

Monaghan - too many of the key players are over a certain age. Injuries are bound to come into play and speed too. They won't just drop away, but I also don't see them winning an AI.  A SF might be as far as they can go with this crop, but nothing wrong with that. Puts them top 4 in the country which is impressive given the population of the county in comparison to some others.

Armagh - just don't buy into the hype around them. The much lauded forward division is no-where near the quality of Dublin/Kerry/Derry/Galway/Tyrone. They are a big physical team too focused on being hard men than playing football. But.....if they didn't play that way they probably wouldn't win half as many games so I guess you play to your strengths. Realistically, in with a decent shout in Ulster next year, but not in the race for Sam at all. McGeeney might well be getting the best out of these players right now with the system he plays.

Then you still have Kerry and Dublin.
Dublin might start the rebuilding process, possibly a number of retirements. Even if that doesnt happen, I still feel they are beatable now and not at that same level of 6 in a row.
Kerry are certainly beatable but still impressive too. Defensively much better than years gone by, but a little inconsistent in attack. They have a really good age profile though and will probably improve year on year for the
They did push them hard the game was level 3 minutes into added time and Kerry were 3 up at 2 different stages of second half. 

Loughlin/Toner wouldn't start on any other division 1 team.  Derry forward line would be well behind most of these other teams also.  McGuigan is as good as their is about but don't really have another go to forward.  McFaul, Cassidy, Doherty are all good players in own right but wouldn't be relying on them to weigh in with 3 or 4 points every day. 



Given that that Derry play a game system where when they have the ball every one attacks and when the haven't the ball everyone defends - when your'e at the the game it is only then that you appreciate that ( when they defend) how much ground that particularly Loughlin, Toner and Paul Cassidy cover when tracking back which means theyr'e not going to be in the scoring "D zone " as often when the transition to attacking mode happens. 
Derry maximise the team effort consistently to great effect but it requires a high level of fitness.  I'm sure you will have noticed that Loughlin and Toner are mostly taken off after 60ish mins and replaced with Herron and Murray
#19
Quote from: Real Talk on July 27, 2023, 08:33:19 AM
I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S )  and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards. 

The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do. 

So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and  their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.

The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!

Do youse boys know anything about Dublin and Kerry ???
#20
Quote from: Blowitupref on July 27, 2023, 04:13:57 PM
Last All Ireland final between Kerry and Dublin was in 2019 and having looked into it there was 19 pages on the thread three days before the drawn final so for whatever reason the same interest isn't there for this Kerry v Dublin final on here.  September final made a difference back then?

Aye that's true but there an awful lot more Social media options being activated than this Discussion forum ... also maybe Mayo & Tyrone being completely out of the picture makes a big difference too
#21
I wouldn't say that Kerry are just a two man effective forward division (ie David C and Sean O'S )  and credit must be given to a good Derry system that nullifying their other forwards. 

The final will take on a 'life of its own' as all Kerry and Dublin games do. 

So if Dublin can keep 15 players on the field for the duration of the game then the power of James McCarthy and the effectiveness of Fenton and  their spread of quality forwards plus another 4/5 star options 'off the bench' will provide the platform for a Dublin victory.

The ref will have a big bearing on the flow of the game !!!
#22
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
July 25, 2023, 11:49:39 AM
Just a story that comes to mind. 
Before Errigal Ciaran became an official Club entity i Tyrone,   Peter Canavan was registered to be eligible to play County Football for Tyrone on the basis of being a Registered Member of a Hurling Club in Tyrone.  So there is no issue with for eg: Shea Downey playing for St Bridget's while he lives in Belfast and playing his County Football with Derry.
#23
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
July 10, 2023, 03:18:23 PM
Aye Brilliant performance from the New Minor All Ireland Champions

Second game in a row to blow away the opposition ( Dublin and Monaghan ) with 14 lads

The quality of their play is just outstanding
#24
Quote from: God14 on July 10, 2023, 12:13:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2023, 08:41:59 PM
It will be a difficult approach I feel, tactically do Derry stick with cautious defensive early approach and take advantages of counter attacking Kerry?

Or do they say, f**k it, let's go out and die with our boots on and unlock the chains?

Derry will definitely go with the cautious defensive approach. In fact, i think they go back to the tactics that served them well in 2022. Ultra defensive, intense, counter attacking. All 15 within their own 45. 2023 has saw them commit bodies further forward, but this approach will be cast aside on Sunday.
Glass in particular will have to maintain a position quite close to his full back line. Derry will be susceptible to direct high ball into Guiney and D Clifford.

Have Derry senior footballers ever beaten Kerry in a championship match in their history?

Yea the also beat Kerry 2 -11 to 1-13 (after extra time)  in the 1984 Centenary at Tuam .... Damian Cassidy was the star and scored one of the Goals i think
#25
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
July 08, 2023, 05:48:55 AM
Quote from: restorepride on July 03, 2023, 10:54:00 PM
My first All Ireland semi-final was 1975, Derry v Dublin. No tickets required!!!
Was at that game too in 1975 Brendan (Neilly ) Kelly, Sean O'Connel and Johnny O'Lear got the goals but they were defeated

Was also at the !970 AI Semi-final when we were hammered by Kerry .... Derry had two penalties missed that day one by the late Sean O'Connell (Ballerin) and the other by the late Seamus Lagan (Glen)

How the years go by !!!
#26
Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
July 06, 2023, 08:56:29 PM
Any word on the Senior Football Club Championship Draw yet ?
#27
Eamon Fitzmaurice (that cute ho#r from Kerry) has while on the Sunday Game / Sun/Sat Live pundit / co-commentator duty been very positive and completely understands the Derry system .... and Kerry replicated that v Tyrone in the first half.  So there's no surprise element whatsoever that Derry can come up.   Maybe rotating the players differently on our Long kick-out which means that Lynch needs to kick into the space in the hope that  either P Cassidy, McFaul or the inclusion of L Murray will time their run to get the catch.  Too often Glass has broken the ball too hard and there has been no one on the correct side to get the 'break'  .... these Derry players know each others strengths very well so it should be possible to get 3/4 of these correct in each half  .. generally Glass & Rogers are marked men so that is why i'm suggesting some less likely candidates to be targeted .... however there's no point in me trying "to teach a bird how to fly" .... Meenagh, Muldoon and Co are well capable of knowing whats needed at this stage.

Some people have suggested that Cork were awful but I watched the Kerry, Roscommon and Mayo games  versus  Cork and they were improving Match on Match ... yesterday the only thing that let them down was their shooting and some poor decision making.   Derry's system is good and as Fitzmaurice also said they have been the most consistent team in League and Championship this year.
#28
GAA Discussion / Re: derry v cork 02/07/23
July 03, 2023, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on July 02, 2023, 11:42:43 PM
Where there is life, there's hope!
I expect nothing and hope for everything.
And i have found i am often satisfied.

Great way of looking at and behaving in life .... it's is important to " enjoy the moment "
#29
GAA Discussion / Re: derry v cork 02/07/23
June 30, 2023, 10:35:28 PM
Anyone know who the Ref is for the Cork v Derry game on Sun
#30
GAA Discussion / Re: derry v cork 02/07/23
June 29, 2023, 12:12:15 PM
How best should Ciaran McFaul  be used on our Long Kick-outs in the first half as i think as ,TBR has already said, Cork will likely push up on our shorts ?

At half time we (depending on the wind which his always tricky in CP ) we need to have a couple of pts to spare.