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« Reply #705 on: June 13, 2018, 11:38:34 AM »
So it seems the Democratic Unionist party are actually anything but Democratic...

DUP getting the middle took out of them on radio this morning

Indeed. Delightful listening.  ;D

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« Reply #706 on: June 13, 2018, 11:42:40 AM »
So it seems the Democratic Unionist party are actually anything but Democratic...

DUP getting the middle took out of them on radio this morning

Indeed. Delightful listening.  ;D

Is this their fines policy if someone talks out of party line?

Why is anyone surprised by this?

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« Reply #707 on: June 13, 2018, 02:20:48 PM »
So it seems the Democratic Unionist party are actually anything but Democratic...

DUP getting the middle took out of them on radio this morning

Indeed. Delightful listening.  ;D

Is this their fines policy if someone talks out of party line?

Why is anyone surprised by this?

Not really surprised but delighted that the DUP continue in the recent fashion to be shown up for the bunch of fascists that they are. If the UUP had any sort of push in them they should be able to make massive gains on the DUP but it seems they are completely incompetent.

I am far from a fan of Nolan but he is tearing lumps out of the DUP the last 12-18 months.

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« Reply #708 on: June 13, 2018, 02:42:05 PM »
So it seems the Democratic Unionist party are actually anything but Democratic...

DUP getting the middle took out of them on radio this morning

Indeed. Delightful listening.  ;D

Is this their fines policy if someone talks out of party line?

Why is anyone surprised by this?

Not really surprised but delighted that the DUP continue in the recent fashion to be shown up for the bunch of fascists that they are. If the UUP had any sort of push in them they should be able to make massive gains on the DUP but it seems they are completely incompetent.

I am far from a fan of Nolan but he is tearing lumps out of the DUP the last 12-18 months.

UUP can't get a foothold because DUP-SF, along with that fool Blair, hollowed out the GFA at St Andrews by ensuring that the FM would being to the party with the largest number of MLAs rather than the community and that parties would name the FM and DFM rather than seeking election from the Assembly membership.

So, for every election we have a sectarian headcount, vote for DUP to prevent SF getting FM and vote SF to get us in as FM.

If the original rule had been maintained the party numbers would be much closer and unionism would be ensured of retaining FM with UUP, DUP and TUV combined with the Independent whereas SF are within a hair's breadth of taking the FM in future elections as they build to a party majority.

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« Reply #709 on: June 13, 2018, 02:46:36 PM »
Quit talking shit

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« Reply #710 on: June 13, 2018, 02:58:33 PM »
Quit talking shit

Care to elaborate or point out anything as being untrue?

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« Reply #711 on: June 13, 2018, 03:21:52 PM »
You have vastly overstated the importance of first minister, both in duties and symbolically.

FM has never really been a concern for anyone at elections (notwithstanding that the DUP did use it a little to scaremonger in the last election) and it certainly has never been mentioned in relation to SF. So that part is total crap. To then attempt to link this up to explain why the UUP (and SDLP) have faded away is ludicrous.

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« Reply #712 on: June 13, 2018, 03:30:40 PM »
I never mentioned the SDLP but it obviously bothers you.

FM is hugely symbolic for the DUP and unionism and it holding on to the post has been the cornerstone to DUP electioneering for virtually all assembly elections. Equally it is a key target for SF to show that it has dominated the DUP. To say otherwise is nonsense.

If DUP push on getting seating to be the largest party to retain FM post then the UUP must lose out as there is virtually no cross community voting between DUP and the SF and SDLP blocks.  So, the UUP has lost ground to the DUP in every election since the St Andrews agreement.

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« Reply #713 on: June 13, 2018, 04:43:30 PM »
The fact the Shinners were able to bring the whole thing down and keep it down shows that FM post is not as important as DUP would like to think. Besides, the way the demographics are going, if Stormont is still not operating by, say, 2020-21 (and I personally hope it's gone for ever), then we've witnessed our last unionist FM. How are they gonna spin that during their 'celebrations' of the centenary of the founding of the failed, putrid statelet?

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« Reply #714 on: June 13, 2018, 05:19:17 PM »
I never mentioned the SDLP but it obviously bothers you.

FM is hugely symbolic for the DUP and unionism and it holding on to the post has been the cornerstone to DUP electioneering for virtually all assembly elections. Equally it is a key target for SF to show that it has dominated the DUP. To say otherwise is nonsense.

If DUP push on getting seating to be the largest party to retain FM post then the UUP must lose out as there is virtually no cross community voting between DUP and the SF and SDLP blocks.  So, the UUP has lost ground to the DUP in every election since the St Andrews agreement.

You've put the demise of the UUP over the last 10 years down to how the FM is elected. That is just utter rubbish. So is the part about SF or their voters caring about it.

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« Reply #715 on: June 13, 2018, 05:26:49 PM »
You have vastly overstated the importance of first minister, both in duties and symbolically.

FM has never really been a concern for anyone at elections (notwithstanding that the DUP did use it a little to scaremonger in the last election) and it certainly has never been mentioned in relation to SF. So that part is total crap. To then attempt to link this up to explain why the UUP (and SDLP) have faded away is ludicrous.

I think the prospect of a Shinner being FM is important to many unionists and may well have caused a few to move from the UU to DUP. Certainly, the DUP carry on as if the FM has some role in speaking for NI. Describing it as "total crap" is nonsense.
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« Reply #716 on: June 13, 2018, 06:40:14 PM »
You have vastly overstated the importance of first minister, both in duties and symbolically.

FM has never really been a concern for anyone at elections (notwithstanding that the DUP did use it a little to scaremonger in the last election) and it certainly has never been mentioned in relation to SF. So that part is total crap. To then attempt to link this up to explain why the UUP (and SDLP) have faded away is ludicrous.

I think the prospect of a Shinner being FM is important to many unionists and may well have caused a few to move from the UU to DUP. Certainly, the DUP carry on as if the FM has some role in speaking for NI. Describing it as "total crap" is nonsense.

To the outside world looking in, FM sounds like the de-facto leader of the 6, but we here know the truth that it's a joint role. It means more to the DUP to hold on to it than it would for SF to gain it. That's a fact.

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« Reply #718 on: June 24, 2018, 03:11:50 PM »
What a shite game for her exposure to the  GAA to be.

Just ;looked at the score there, maybe they just need to tighten up on the Donegal number 4.
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« Reply #719 on: June 24, 2018, 03:24:34 PM »
The dup have really changed their pr front. Must have got someone with a bit of sense into that area.