Arlene's bigotry shines through

Started by StGallsGAA, February 14, 2018, 01:13:21 PM

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Milltown Row2

Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 14, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Jesus what a bunch of w**kers up here.

Why don't both give the other what they want, and in turn they win themselves in the long run.

SF agree to DUP requests - shows unionists that theyd be accommodated in a UI
DUP agree to SF requests - shows nationalists theyre better off in UK, and SF would have nothing to complain about. Support for a UI would diminish.

SF are pushing the ILA so far unionists will despise anything Irish even more (if thats possible) than they do already. And vice versa.

I honestly think Stormont is all about the few in both parties, lining their own pockets, feeding their egos. They don't give a flying fcuk for anyone in this hellhole. But all this shite filters down from Stormont into the general population making it an intolerable cesspit for the ordinary joe.

ffs. Where have you been living your lifetime? at what point does it stop? Nationalists were supposed to have equality - do they? There not being open state-sponsored discrimination is a long way from equality, and its the least that's deserved. The ILA is the vehicle that demonstrates the DUP have no interest in equality - thats how it has gained such prominence. Wake up and look around before falling into the claptrap being repeated by unionists claiming to talk sense. This isn't supposed to be their NI any more, its supposed to belong to all of us. I can see why they find it hard to give up power they've held for decades, i fail to see how you are ignorant enough not to recognise what is really going on here.

What equality do you not have?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

yellowcard

Quote from: red hander on February 14, 2018, 05:35:19 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 14, 2018, 04:51:25 PM
The DUP have made Teresa May look foolish twice now. The fact that her and Varadkar flew over to Dublin on Monday would give the impression that they either expected a deal or thought that they could push a deal over the line. Neither happened. Most nationalists would like to see an assembly up and running to provide some form of local governance in the short term but deep down I don't think many are overly bothered about Stormont. Arlene Foster has overseen a litany of mishaps, collapsed deals and broken promises under her tenure. She is being led by the bottom up instead of taking risks and showing real leadership from the top down.

They bum and blow about the power of their 10 MPs at Westminster, but it's completely built on sand. If May f**ks them over by backing down to the EU over special status for the putrid statelet after Brexit what are they gonna do? Pull the government down and let Corbyn in, who utterly despises them? And where's the £1bn they were crowing about. Next to nothing has been delivered on that front. They are like a wee kid closing his eyes, covering his ears and screaming No No No No No No No. The crocodiles have awakened thanks to the DUP and have realised loyalists will never treat the native people of this part of the island as equals, so they're going to use their mandate to bring the artificial shithole to an end once and for all. Paisley saw what was in the wind, so did Robinson, that's why they attempted to moderate their approach, but both fell to the bigots of their party, loyalism and the Orange Order. They just don't realise, or are too stupid to see, that the dam has cracked and the hole is only gonna get bigger. It's endgame, and when history is written we will have a thoroughly mediocre solicitor from Irvinestown to thank for a lot of it  :)

Agree with all of that.

A very weak leader, she will do anything to save her own skin and is being influenced from the bottom up. She lost her nerve again, at least Trimble, Paisley and Robinson took brave decisions, when faced with a big decision she just reverts to type. Short term insular thinking driven by the fear, hatred and bigotry of Allister and Bryson screaming betrayal from the sideline.   

HiMucker

Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 14, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Jesus what a bunch of w**kers up here.

Why don't both give the other what they want, and in turn they win themselves in the long run.

SF agree to DUP requests - shows unionists that theyd be accommodated in a UI
DUP agree to SF requests - shows nationalists theyre better off in UK, and SF would have nothing to complain about. Support for a UI would diminish.

SF are pushing the ILA so far unionists will despise anything Irish even more (if thats possible) than they do already. And vice versa.

I honestly think Stormont is all about the few in both parties, lining their own pockets, feeding their egos. They don't give a flying fcuk for anyone in this hellhole. But all this shite filters down from Stormont into the general population making it an intolerable cesspit for the ordinary joe.

ffs. Where have you been living your lifetime? at what point does it stop? Nationalists were supposed to have equality - do they? There not being open state-sponsored discrimination is a long way from equality, and its the least that's deserved. The ILA is the vehicle that demonstrates the DUP have no interest in equality - thats how it has gained such prominence. Wake up and look around before falling into the claptrap being repeated by unionists claiming to talk sense. This isn't supposed to be their NI any more, its supposed to belong to all of us. I can see why they find it hard to give up power they've held for decades, i fail to see how you are ignorant enough not to recognise what is really going on here.
100 % agree with this.  That's it in a nutshell.  I get that a lot of nationalists on here don't give a toss about Irish road signs etc. but enough is enough.  How they cant see that I don't know.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: thewobbler on February 14, 2018, 01:25:22 PM
For what it's worth, bilingual road signs (when the second language is Gaeilge) are more costly to create. There must be tens of thousands of signs across Ireland that declare Rampaí, which means signs are bigger and need more ink.

More importantly, the increased levels of text involved in bilingualism decreases the legibility of those signs, and therefore decreases their ability to deliver information instantaneously. As such they could be perceived as a distraction to drivers.... and therefore make driving more dangerous.

The opposite might apply in somewhere like Croatia, whereby their influx of tourists undoubtedly struggle with the unusual characters in their lanaguage, and providing an English language version of the message helps prevent tourists from slowing to a stop at junctions and roundabouts.

But in Ireland, where every single person who speaks Irish also speaks English, and tourists have no understanding of Irish, I do believe it's an unnecessary distraction.

Never read such garbage in all my life.

It's customary to replace signs as they wear out when switching to a new standard, so there's no extra cost.

"More ink" indeed. We're not printing on a page. You need a reflective surface for the font AND the background, so there's not one square millimetre extra of paint used.

Signs can be made perfectly legible with an additional language added if you use a bit of imagination and design them properly.

imtommygunn

Quote from: HiMucker on February 14, 2018, 06:05:24 PM
Quote from: haranguerer on February 14, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 14, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Jesus what a bunch of w**kers up here.

Why don't both give the other what they want, and in turn they win themselves in the long run.

SF agree to DUP requests - shows unionists that theyd be accommodated in a UI
DUP agree to SF requests - shows nationalists theyre better off in UK, and SF would have nothing to complain about. Support for a UI would diminish.

SF are pushing the ILA so far unionists will despise anything Irish even more (if thats possible) than they do already. And vice versa.

I honestly think Stormont is all about the few in both parties, lining their own pockets, feeding their egos. They don't give a flying fcuk for anyone in this hellhole. But all this shite filters down from Stormont into the general population making it an intolerable cesspit for the ordinary joe.

ffs. Where have you been living your lifetime? at what point does it stop? Nationalists were supposed to have equality - do they? There not being open state-sponsored discrimination is a long way from equality, and its the least that's deserved. The ILA is the vehicle that demonstrates the DUP have no interest in equality - thats how it has gained such prominence. Wake up and look around before falling into the claptrap being repeated by unionists claiming to talk sense. This isn't supposed to be their NI any more, its supposed to belong to all of us. I can see why they find it hard to give up power they've held for decades, i fail to see how you are ignorant enough not to recognise what is really going on here.
100 % agree with this.  That's it in a nutshell.  I get that a lot of nationalists on here don't give a toss about Irish road signs etc. but enough is enough.  How they cant see that I don't know.

Bang on.

What have the dup ever compromised on? Ever?

Minder

Not just the DUP, no appetite for an ILA across Unionism so Foster was never going to be able to sell it
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

Rossfan

Do I take it that most of  the Nationalist Community aren't too bothered if Stormont and the Executive are gone?

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Avondhu star on February 14, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
Nationalists dont want the Orange Order with their symbols of British culture marching through Nationalists areas but you think the Unionists should have symbols of Irish culture in Unionist areas.

If the OO could drop the anti-catholic bigotry I wouldn't have a problem with them marching wherever they want. There's plenty in their culture that they could celebrate without selling "kick the Pope" mix tapes and banishing anyone that goes to a "popish" funeral.

Minder

Quote from: Rossfan on February 14, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Do I take it that most of  the Nationalist Community aren't too bothered if Stormont and the Executive are gone?

Well it depends how harsh direct rule is, normal people just want the place governed competently
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

Eamonnca1

Quote from: thewobbler on February 14, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 14, 2018, 01:41:00 PM
Show me studies which prove accidents are more common in the south than the north because the south have bilingual road signs. Otherwise, away with that rubbish.

There's been quite a few studies undertaken in Scotland and Wales about this and the general consensus seems to be that bilingual signs take longer to read, but as yet there is no evidence that this leads to increased levels of RTCs.

My personal feelings are that roads are dangerous enough without millisecond distractions.

I won't be lining up an I told you so should a report ever be produced to back up that feeling. But it would be helpful if people could acknowledge the simple fact that it takes people longer to read signs that are longer.

A car-load of speed-obsessed teenage lads with R plates and alloy wheels are a far bigger threat to road safety than a sign saying "Béal Feirste."

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Avondhu star on February 14, 2018, 03:23:05 PM
I didn't compare the O.O. to the Irish language. Icompared their symbols, flags banners as British symbols where Nationalists could use Road signs in Irish as Irish symbols
Translation: "I didn't compare the OO to the Irish language, I just compared the OO to the Irish language."

north_antrim_hound

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 14, 2018, 06:41:56 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on February 14, 2018, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 14, 2018, 01:41:00 PM
Show me studies which prove accidents are more common in the south than the north because the south have bilingual road signs. Otherwise, away with that rubbish.

There's been quite a few studies undertaken in Scotland and Wales about this and the general consensus seems to be that bilingual signs take longer to read, but as yet there is no evidence that this leads to increased levels of RTCs.

My personal feelings are that roads are dangerous enough without millisecond distractions.

I won't be lining up an I told you so should a report ever be produced to back up that feeling. But it would be helpful if people could acknowledge the simple fact that it takes people longer to read signs that are longer.

A car-load of speed-obsessed teenage lads with R plates and alloy wheels are a far bigger threat to road safety than a sign saying "Béal Feirste."

Chances are if the sign says "Beal Feirste" it's someone else's car
There's a man with a mullet going mad with a mallet in Millets

Eamonnca1

Quote from: Rossfan on February 14, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Do I take it that most of  the Nationalist Community aren't too bothered if Stormont and the Executive are gone?

I get the impression nationalists want the assembly more than the unionists. In fact, unionists would prefer direct rule over power-sharing (or "mandatory coalition" as they've tried to re-brand it). This is why I think SF have boxed themselves into a corner here. Sure Dodds was up at PMQs last week asking May if there was any chance of getting direct rule going.

SF "threatened" to collapse an assembly that the unionists are half-hearted about at best, and Arlene et al are happy to see it go. It's like "threatening" your child to take away his vegetables if he doesn't eat them.

red hander

Quote from: Eamonnca1 on February 14, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on February 14, 2018, 03:23:05 PM
I didn't compare the O.O. to the Irish language. Icompared their symbols, flags banners as British symbols where Nationalists could use Road signs in Irish as Irish symbols
Translation: "I didn't compare the OO to the Irish language, I just compared the OO to the Irish language."

CoCo the Clown strikes again

Eamonnca1

Any harm in asking what kind of ILA we'd like to see?

From the shopping list, here's what I'd like to see and what I'm not fussed about:


  • Live translation in the assembly - No
  • Translation of all government documents into Irish - No
  • Bilingual road signs - Maybe in some areas where local authorities want it, but only if it has broad support
  • Mandatory learning of Irish in all schools - No
  • Better funding for the Irish medium education sector - Yes
  • Better funding for NGOs that promote Irish - Yes

Increasing the number of people who can actually speak the language fluently has to come first. Being able to do all official business in Irish can come later when there's sufficient demand for it.

If SF could tone down their demands as to what they want to see in an ILA there'd be a better chance of getting one. Frankly I'm sad to see culture being weaponised as a political pawn. It didn't help at the time of the Drumcree parade disputes and it's not helping now, it's just reinforcing this unionist perception that Irish and Irishness is something that's a threat to them.