Rumours circulating coming to a head by the looks of it.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/cristiano-ronaldo-kathryn-mayorga-the-woman-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634-amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Fake news
Doubt that
Quote from: bennydorano on October 01, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
Doubt that
Read some of the documents online about it . . . looks like there's a fair chance this isn't just going to be dismissed as fake news!!
https://twitter.com/derWinterbach/status/1046478115734720513
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 01, 2018, 03:39:10 PM
Fake news
Are you a complete moron?
I suggest anybody dismissing this as fake news reads the full article (an extremely reputable and reliable news source) and pays particular attention to the detail around Ronaldo saying "She said no and stop several times." whilst in communication with his own lawyers.
There's no proof that he raped her as these things will always end up as he said/she said but dismissing it as fake news is laughable.
Quote from: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 01, 2018, 03:39:10 PM
Fake news
Are you a complete moron?
I suggest anybody dismissing this as fake news reads the full article (an extremely reputable and reliable news source) and pays particular attention to the detail around Ronaldo saying "She said no and stop several times." whilst in communication with his own lawyers.
There's no proof that he raped her as these things will always end up as he said/she said but dismissing it as fake news is laughable.
Syferus is just waiting in the wings for the right comment!
Quote from: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 05:27:24 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on October 01, 2018, 03:39:10 PM
Fake news
Are you a complete moron?
I suggest anybody dismissing this as fake news reads the full article (an extremely reputable and reliable news source) and pays particular attention to the detail around Ronaldo saying "She said no and stop several times." whilst in communication with his own lawyers.
There's no proof that he raped her as these things will always end up as he said/she said but dismissing it as fake news is laughable.
I read it all and it's fairly damning but I wondered was there selective editing they only printed 3 questions from his statement I think? Although they might be a reputable news source they are a news source who rely on sales and clicks to exist.. Be interesting how it plays out.
Im yet to be convinced he even likes girls..
As I said, I'm not saying he raped her. The only two who know whether he did or not are him and her.
My point is that this can't simply be dismissed by United or Ronaldo fans as "fake news" or a money grab. It is clear, by Ronaldo's own words and actions, that there is more to this than meets the eye.
Christoph Winterbach, a co author of the article, is on Second Captains today, so will be interesting to hear.
Quote from: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 05:54:12 PM
As I said, I'm not saying he raped her. The only two who know whether he did or not are him and her.
My point is that this can't simply be dismissed by United or Ronaldo fans as "fake news" or a money grab. It is clear, by Ronaldo's own words and actions, that there is more to this than meets the eye.
Christoph Winterbach, a co author of the article, is on Second Captains today, so will be interesting to hear.
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Well he never gave her shush money to buy a new dress, was Ronaldo married or in a relationship at the time?
She seems very credible. Takes the money, signs an agreement yet subsequently breaks it.
Las Vegas PD reopen the case.
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Consent can be removed at any point. Such a weird way to look at it as usual.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2018, 09:46:32 PM
She seems very credible. Takes the money, signs an agreement yet subsequently breaks it.
She seems perfectly credible to noon spanners. The least you could do is read the article. If you had, you'd realised that part of their claim is Ronaldo had breached the settlement.
Quote from: Syferus on October 01, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Consent can be removed at any point. Such a weird way to look at it as usual.
Can it be obtained again after being removed?
Quote from: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2018, 09:46:32 PM
She seems very credible. Takes the money, signs an agreement yet subsequently breaks it.
She seems perfectly credible to noon spanners. The least you could do is read the article. If you had, you'd realised that part of their claim is Ronaldo had breached the settlement.
Noon spanners?
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2018, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 10:30:58 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2018, 09:46:32 PM
She seems very credible. Takes the money, signs an agreement yet subsequently breaks it.
She seems perfectly credible to noon spanners. The least you could do is read the article. If you had, you'd realised that part of their claim is Ronaldo had breached the settlement.
Noon spanners?
My apologies. That should have been non-spanners.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2018, 10:31:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 01, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Consent can be removed at any point. Such a weird way to look at it as usual.
Can it be obtained again after being removed?
There was a very illustrative Tweet floating about over the weekend about consent, it involved a woman sticking her finger up a man's jacksie mid-coitus and how different men would react, the tag being you should KNOW when you need consent!
Quote from: Syferus on October 01, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Consent can be removed at any point. Such a weird way to look at it as usual.
Sorry for looking at it differently. Hope I haven't offended you.
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 01, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Consent can be removed at any point. Such a weird way to look at it as usual.
Sorry for looking at it differently. Hope I haven't offended you.
You've done more than that with your knuckle-dragging approach to this topic in the past.
Well it looks like he is guilty of the crime. It is just a case of can he or his lawyers keep this case out of a court.
Quote from: Syferus on October 01, 2018, 11:40:13 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 01, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Consent can be removed at any point. Such a weird way to look at it as usual.
Sorry for looking at it differently. Hope I haven't offended you.
You've done more than that with your knuckle-dragging approach to this topic in the past.
How was I to know you are gay?
Ronaldo has a weird attitude to women regardless of this story
4/1 - 100 + Pages on this thread
4/5 - 99 or less
Place your bets please gentlement.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 02, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
4/1 - 100 + Pages on this thread
4/5 - 99 or less
Place your bets please gentlement.
I don't think you know how bookmaking works.
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 02, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 02, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
4/1 - 100 + Pages on this thread
4/5 - 99 or less
Place your bets please gentlement.
I don't think you know how bookmaking works.
I was going to say the same :)
Regardless of how many pages I know who's going to be the self appointed authority on the topic..
Quote from: Boycey on October 02, 2018, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 02, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 02, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
4/1 - 100 + Pages on this thread
4/5 - 99 or less
Place your bets please gentlement.
I don't think you know how bookmaking works.
I was going to say the same :)
Regardless of how many pages I know who's going to be the self appointed authority on the topic..
Any odds on the favorite? ;D
Quote from: Boycey on October 02, 2018, 12:23:01 PM
Quote from: north aontroim gael on October 02, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 02, 2018, 12:11:21 PM
4/1 - 100 + Pages on this thread
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Place your bets please gentlement.
I don't think you know how bookmaking works.
I was going to say the same :)
Regardless of how many pages I know who's going to be the self appointed authority on the topic..
Was more a tongue in cheek reference to the Ulster thread fiasco.....fell slightly flat :(
Speaking of which, yes. Even I might be able to nail the favourite in that race
1/3 the thread descends into a conversation about Roscommon. Any takers.
Quote from: bennydorano on October 01, 2018, 10:50:55 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 01, 2018, 10:31:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 01, 2018, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
Consent can be removed at any point. Such a weird way to look at it as usual.
Can it be obtained again after being removed?
There was a very illustrative Tweet floating about over the weekend about consent, it involved a woman sticking her finger up a man's jacksie mid-coitus and how different men would react, the tag being you should KNOW when you need consent!
Do tell Benny, did it refresh the parts Heineken couldn't reach? 😜
Quote from: Itchy on October 02, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
1/3 the thread descends into a conversation about Roscommon. Any takers.
Nope, it will be Israel's fault!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 02, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 02, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
1/3 the thread descends into a conversation about Roscommon. Any takers.
Nope, it will be Israel's fault!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V1bFr2SWP1I/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: Itchy on October 02, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
1/3 the thread descends into a conversation about Roscommon. Any takers.
It would take someone of your breath-taking arrogance to try and make a thread about rape about inter-county point-scoring.
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2018, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 02, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
1/3 the thread descends into a conversation about Roscommon. Any takers.
It would take someone of your breath-taking arrogance to try and make a thread about rape about inter-county point-scoring.
Ah go on Syferus, say something nice for once.
Quote from: Orior on October 03, 2018, 12:36:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2018, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: Itchy on October 02, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
1/3 the thread descends into a conversation about Roscommon. Any takers.
It would take someone of your breath-taking arrogance to try and make a thread about rape about inter-county point-scoring.
Ah go on Syferus, say something nice for once.
Maybe you could get him off the fence and get him to tell us what he really thinks.
Interesting read in Sports illustrated
https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/10/02/cristiano-ronaldo-rape-allegations-kathryn-mayorga-legal-case
Quote from: bennydorano on October 03, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Interesting read in Sports illustrated
https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/10/02/cristiano-ronaldo-rape-allegations-kathryn-mayorga-legal-case
That's a very good read and gives a very clear analysis of everything surrounding this case. I don't see him being criminally charged but can see the civil matter being reopened
To be fair to Syferus it was a pretty idiotic comment he took exception to.
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 03, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
I would say rape is rape or sexual assualt is sexual assualt (depending on what happened) and whether she got a pay off or not,
if it happened he is accountable.. Her only problem is why she took the money in the first place kept quiet and then years later come forward...people unfortunately will judge her on that, and it may prove more difficult for her to get a case on Ronaldo and easier for his team to drag her through a trial that she may not win
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 03, 2018, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 03, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
I would say rape is rape or sexual assualt is sexual assualt (depending on what happened) and whether she got a pay off or not, if it happened he is accountable.. Her only problem is why she took the money in the first place kept quiet and then years later come forward...people unfortunately will judge her on that, and it may prove more difficult for her to get a case on Ronaldo and easier for his team to drag her through a trial that she may not win
I would agree. The thing is depending on what her motivation is I think she might be better off going against her lawyer for professional negligence rather than re-opening the rape allegations. If she is making the argument that she didn't have the capacity then her lawyer should have minded that side of things for her. If she wants justice in her eyes I would be inclined to think she'll be disappointed
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 03, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
To be fair to Syferus it was a pretty idiotic comment he took exception to.
Surmising what was Ronaldo's thought process?
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 03, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
Given that this doesn't happen and you appear to have demonstrated a spectacular lack of knowledge of what has actually occurred in this specific case, it's pretty hard to offer an opinion on it.
You don't "proceed down the criminal path" at all. That course of action is pursued by the state. Mayorga has filed a civil suit.
Quote from: gallsman on October 03, 2018, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 03, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
Given that this doesn't happen and you appear to have demonstrated a spectacular lack of knowledge of what has actually occurred in this specific case, it's pretty hard to offer an opinion on it.
You don't "proceed down the criminal path" at all. That course of action is pursued by the state. Mayorga has filed a civil suit.
Well, I understood what the question meant.
Two wrongs don't make a right. The misdemeanour was wrong and the payoff was wrong.
Quote from: gallsman on October 03, 2018, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 03, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
Given that this doesn't happen and you appear to have demonstrated a spectacular lack of knowledge of what has actually occurred in this specific case, it's pretty hard to offer an opinion on it.
You don't "proceed down the criminal path" at all. That course of action is pursued by the state. Mayorga has filed a civil suit.
It was a general unspecific question. Not altogether related to this case.
Which I have limited interest in. Apologies if the detail isn't exact but if you feel the need to vent, go ahead :-\
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 03, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
You have to lose a bit of sympathy for the alleged victim due to the fact that on the surface it diminishes her credibility; she took a payoff, lived her life and is coming back for more. I did see that the LV police have reopened the investigation too though.
Quote from: Orior on October 03, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 03, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
To be fair to Syferus it was a pretty idiotic comment he took exception to.
Surmising what was Ronaldo's thought process?
I'm sure you'll be able to work out what I meant eventually.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 04, 2018, 02:42:09 PM
Quote from: Orior on October 03, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 03, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
To be fair to Syferus it was a pretty idiotic comment he took exception to.
Surmising what was Ronaldo's thought process?
I'm sure you'll be able to work out what I meant eventually.
Sorry, I don't.
Ronaldo has admitted she said no a few times. The pay off has shown to be void. This should be bigger news. Nike are not happy. Juventus statement bizarre.
Ronaldo is fucked..
Quote from: mrdeeds on October 04, 2018, 09:15:44 PM
Ronaldo has admitted she said no a few times. The pay off has shown to be void. This should be bigger news. Nike are not happy. Juventus statement bizarre.
Sports teams in general everywhere have the moral standing of the Catholic Church. They just don't get it. Even a few years ago this might have been able to be brushed aside but the world is changing on these topics. He's also the face of FIFA 19 and his image has been scrubbed from their Twitter account. Sponsors are in a holding pattern right now.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on October 03, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
On this, just gauging general opinion,
What are people thoughts on those that accept 'payoffs', then proceed down the criminal path some years later?
Sympathetic? Had their money and blew it so they lose their 'right' to justice?
Der Spiegel ran tbe story years ago, not namimg her as she refused ti be a part of it. They ran it again, nami g her, and it looks like she is going along as she hasnt much choice. One would assume the payout from the paper is going 5o be more than what she refunds Ronaldo.
Quote from: Orior on October 01, 2018, 10:15:06 PM
You would think that with a man of his standing there would be plenty of willing women.
So why did he choose one that wasn't?
it was consentual, but hestuck it up the wrong one without asking
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2018/10/03/cristiano-ronaldo-face-prison-time-if-found-guilty-attorney-says/1516732002/
Mayorga, 34, who has worked as a model and school teacher in her hometown of Las Vegas, did not attend the news conference. Stovall said Mayorga considered suicide and abused alcohol after the alleged rape from which suffers PTSD and she is unavailable to the media because "of her emotional state.''
Stovall also said Mayorga suffers from a learning disability, but said he was unsure whether a recent psychiatric exam found the disability played a role in the alleged rape. Stovall noted that Mayorga had worked hard to overcome the learning disability and earned a degree in journalism from the University of Nevada at Las Vegas.
She's done well considering the learning difficulty she has
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
Mayorga, 34, who has worked as a model and school teacher in her hometown of Las Vegas, did not attend the news conference. Stovall said Mayorga considered suicide and abused alcohol after the alleged rape from which suffers PTSD and she is unavailable to the media because "of her emotional state.''
Stovall also said Mayorga suffers from a learning disability, but said he was unsure whether a recent psychiatric exam found the disability played a role in the alleged rape. Stovall noted that Mayorga had worked hard to overcome the learning disability and earned a degree in journalism from the University of Nevada at Las Vegas.
She's done well considering the learning difficulty she has
Lots of people with learning disabilities have a degree. Why wouldn't they?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
Mayorga, 34, who has worked as a model and school teacher in her hometown of Las Vegas, did not attend the news conference. Stovall said Mayorga considered suicide and abused alcohol after the alleged rape from which suffers PTSD and she is unavailable to the media because "of her emotional state.''
Stovall also said Mayorga suffers from a learning disability, but said he was unsure whether a recent psychiatric exam found the disability played a role in the alleged rape. Stovall noted that Mayorga had worked hard to overcome the learning disability and earned a degree in journalism from the University of Nevada at Las Vegas.
She's done well considering the learning difficulty she has
True to form, well done.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/cristiano-ronaldo-kathryn-mayorga-the-woman-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634-amp.html
But there is another, much earlier version. It is the document that could have serious consequences for Ronaldo. It was sent via email in September 2009. The sender was a lawyer from Osório de Castro's firm. The recipients were Osório de Castro himself and an additional colleague.
In response to the question as to whether Ms. C. ever raised her voice, screamed or called out, X responded, according to the document: "She said no and stop several times."
In the document, X says that she was lying on her side. "I entered her from behind. It was rude. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available." And further: "But she kept saying 'No.' 'Don't do it.' 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards."
He is quoted in the document as saying that she never screamed and never called out for someone.
Ticking Clock
Question: Did Ms. C. say anything afterwards about the sex being too brutal?
X: "She didn't complain about it being brutal. She complained that I forced her. She didn't say anything about wanting to go to the police."
Ronaldo's first statement doesn't look good.
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 05, 2018, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
Mayorga, 34, who has worked as a model and school teacher in her hometown of Las Vegas, did not attend the news conference. Stovall said Mayorga considered suicide and abused alcohol after the alleged rape from which suffers PTSD and she is unavailable to the media because "of her emotional state.''
Stovall also said Mayorga suffers from a learning disability, but said he was unsure whether a recent psychiatric exam found the disability played a role in the alleged rape. Stovall noted that Mayorga had worked hard to overcome the learning disability and earned a degree in journalism from the University of Nevada at Las Vegas.
She's done well considering the learning difficulty she has
Lots of people with learning disabilities have a degree. Why wouldn't they?
Considering she's been suffering with PTSD on top also I think it's been a huge accomplishment
Quote from: Maiden1 on October 05, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/cristiano-ronaldo-kathryn-mayorga-the-woman-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634-amp.html
But there is another, much earlier version. It is the document that could have serious consequences for Ronaldo. It was sent via email in September 2009. The sender was a lawyer from Osório de Castro's firm. The recipients were Osório de Castro himself and an additional colleague.
In response to the question as to whether Ms. C. ever raised her voice, screamed or called out, X responded, according to the document: "She said no and stop several times."
In the document, X says that she was lying on her side. "I entered her from behind. It was rude. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available." And further: "But she kept saying 'No.' 'Don't do it.' 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards."
He is quoted in the document as saying that she never screamed and never called out for someone.
Ticking Clock
Question: Did Ms. C. say anything afterwards about the sex being too brutal?
X: "She didn't complain about it being brutal. She complained that I forced her. She didn't say anything about wanting to go to the police."
Ronaldo's first statement doesn't look good.
Is this not covered in Client Attorney privilege so it'll be inadmissible in court, but it does set a scene for what might have happened.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 09:18:01 AM
Quote from: Over the Bar on October 05, 2018, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 05, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
Mayorga, 34, who has worked as a model and school teacher in her hometown of Las Vegas, did not attend the news conference. Stovall said Mayorga considered suicide and abused alcohol after the alleged rape from which suffers PTSD and she is unavailable to the media because "of her emotional state.''
Stovall also said Mayorga suffers from a learning disability, but said he was unsure whether a recent psychiatric exam found the disability played a role in the alleged rape. Stovall noted that Mayorga had worked hard to overcome the learning disability and earned a degree in journalism from the University of Nevada at Las Vegas.
She's done well considering the learning difficulty she has
Lots of people with learning disabilities have a degree. Why wouldn't they?
Considering she's been suffering with PTSD on top also I think it's been a huge accomplishment
What is her learning disability though?