Death Notices

[gallsman]

Some f**king hitman if that's how he pulled it off. Not a chance it was murder ffs.

[AustinPowers]

Brutal accident that killed that poor ice hockey player Adam Johnson in England. Like something out of a horror movie.

The opposition  player's  foot was very high there.

It was indeed too high. The police seem to think so too. A player has been charged with manslaughter. I thought it was murder.

Looked like murder to me too.

So he set out to kill this player?

Did you see the video?

No, I'm not into watching someone die, but you're saying he set out to murder this player? Premeditated?

I'm  not sure about premeditated, and   I'm no expert on ice hockey , but his  foot did seem unnaturally high.

[Deerstalker]

Murder does not have to be premeditated, if there is intent it can be murder.

[Milltown Row2]

Murder does not have to be premeditated, if there is intent it can be murder.

Then it's manslaughter?

[Deerstalker]

Murder does not have to be premeditated, if there is intent it can be murder.

Then it's manslaughter?

No if you have intent to kill someone it can be murder

[Milltown Row2]

Murder does not have to be premeditated, if there is intent it can be murder.

Then it's manslaughter?

No if you have intent to kill someone it can be murder

So explain the intent?

There was a football match the other week, players foot was high, caught him in the face, had the injured player died, would that have been murder?

[Deerstalker]

Murder does not have to be premeditated, if there is intent it can be murder.

Then it's manslaughter?

No if you have intent to kill someone it can be murder

So explain the intent?

There was a football match the other week, players foot was high, caught him in the face, had the injured player died, would that have been murder?

I'm not getting into this with you, haven't the time. Look it up yourself but it would be difficult to prove intent there now wouldn't it ?

[brokencrossbar1]

The mens rea of murder is malice aforethought, which has been interpreted by the courts as meaning intention to kill (express malice) or intention to cause GBH (implied malice).  Haven't seen the video but if he raised his foot to an unusual level,  with a pair of ice skates on,  then it could be argued he intended to cause GBH.

[Milltown Row2]

Murder does not have to be premeditated, if there is intent it can be murder.

Then it's manslaughter?

No if you have intent to kill someone it can be murder

So explain the intent?

There was a football match the other week, players foot was high, caught him in the face, had the injured player died, would that have been murder?

I'm not getting into this with you, haven't the time. Look it up yourself but it would be difficult to prove intent there now wouldn't it ?

Sorry, I haven't time either, I'm taking it you're from a legal profession, so I'll take your word for it.

[SaffronSports]

Genuinely surprised the police are going forward with this.

I've watched the incident multiple times and feel like Petgrave was trying to hit the other guy with a body check but mistimed it which sent him spinning and his foot came up and caught Johnson. I believe it was an accident but even if not, unless he has confessed there was intent it's going to be impossible to get a conviction.

[square_ball]

The mens rea of murder is malice aforethought, which has been interpreted by the courts as meaning intention to kill (express malice) or intention to cause GBH (implied malice).  Haven't seen the video but if he raised his foot to an unusual level,  with a pair of ice skates on,  then it could be argued he intended to cause GBH.

I'm no hockey fan but this doesn't look like a natural movement to me.

https://x.com/mcdabber612/status/1718675071269490973?s=46

(It's a non gore clip)

[Denn Forever]

The player who wore the skate could face manslaughter charges.

[smort]

I do believe it was an unnatural sporting movement but it would be hard to prove this in court I think. I believe the guy was deliberately trying to hurt his opponent

It has made me think about what could possibly happen in our own games. Most weeks there are videos going around of club games with brawls / off the ball stuff... It's surely only a matter of time before there is a very serious, or fatal, injury

[RedHand88]

I do believe it was an unnatural sporting movement but it would be hard to prove this in court I think. I believe the guy was deliberately trying to hurt his opponent

It has made me think about what could possibly happen in our own games. Most weeks there are videos going around of club games with brawls / off the ball stuff... It's surely only a matter of time before there is a very serious, or fatal, injury

I thought the exact same myself. Its nearly inevitable. We all know one punch can kill, and when you see videos like Errigal Ciaran v Ardboe minors the other night it feels like it is only a matter of time.
It's why ones who say "ah it's only handbags" really infuriate me.

[brokencrossbar1]

I do believe it was an unnatural sporting movement but it would be hard to prove this in court I think. I believe the guy was deliberately trying to hurt his opponent

It has made me think about what could possibly happen in our own games. Most weeks there are videos going around of club games with brawls / off the ball stuff... It's surely only a matter of time before there is a very serious, or fatal, injury

Had happened in the past,  think have discussed it on here before. Lad I went to university with died from a punch during a scuffle in a soccer match. The lad that did it ended convicted of manslaughter. He avoided jail in that case. Reckon the same will occur in this case but maybe not avoid jail as seems to be more deliberate