UK General Election 2017

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seafoid

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/leaker-draft-manifesto-jeremy-corbyn-labour-trident

Corbyn's leaked draft manifesto: what Labour would do
Labour would keep Trident, nationalise the railways and phase out tuition fees, among other policies


Kevin Rawlinson
Thursday 11 May 2017 12.56 BST
First published on Thursday 11 May 2017 00.49 BST
Details of a draft version of Labour's pitch to the country have leaked, with Jeremy Corbyn's party hoping to make manifesto commitments to part-nationalise some public utilities and to make funds available for social care.



Below is a summary of what the party leadership would like to do in government.
Respect the Brexit referendum result and give a meaningful vote on any deal to parliament. EU citizens living in the UK would have their rights guaranteed unilaterally. Theresa May's Brexit white paper would be replaced with a plan that aims to retain the benefits of the customs union and single market.
Bring parts of the energy industry into public ownership and introduce a local, socially owned energy firm in every area. Also introduce an "immediate emergency price cap" to make sure dual fuel bills stay below £1,000 a year.
Nationalise the railways.
Phase out tuition fees.
Make more funds available for childcare and social care.
Retain the Trident nuclear deterrent. A sentence from earlier drafts saying that a prime minister should be "extremely cautious" about using a weapon that would kill "millions of innocent civilians" has been removed.
Place "peace, universal rights and international law" at the heart of foreign policy, while committing to spend 2% of GDP on defence, as required by Nato.
Make zero-hours contracts illegal.
Build 100,000 new council houses per year.
Complete HS2 from London to Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester and Scotland.
Borrow £250bn to invest in infrastructure but stick to the fiscal credibility rule to balance day-to-day spending. Also raise taxes for people earning more than £80,000 and reverse corporation and inheritance-tax cuts.
Insulate homes of disabled veterans for free.
Extend the right to abortion to Northern Ireland.
Oppose a second Scottish referendum.
Lower the voting age to 16.
Employ 1,000 more border guards.
End the badger cull, keep the fox-hunting ban and support a ban on wild animals in circuses, as well as protecting bees by banning neonicotinoids.
Extend the Freedom of Information Act to private companies running public services.
Review universal credit cuts with a view to reversing them.
Recognise the benefit that immigrants have brought but introduce fair rules and reasonable management, working with employers that need to recruit from abroad but deterring exploitation.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

screenexile

That all seems sensible enough to me. . . Nationalising the Railway should get them some votes because private rail is a complete shambles. Tuition fees isn't going to get you many votes except for the 18-25 bracket.

Hardy

Quote from: Hardy on May 04, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 19, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Betfair
Most seats
Tories 1/11
Lab. 14.5/1
Lib. 40/1
Tory majority 1/5
No majority 5.2/1


Two weeks on the Tories are consolidating strongly:
Most seats
Tories 1/20
Lab. 19/1
Lib. 150/1
Tory majority 1/11
No majority 13.5/1


Latest:
Most seats
Tories 1/33
Lab. 27/1
Lib. 370/1
Tory majority 1/14
No majority 19/1

OakleafCounty

Quote from: screenexile on May 11, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
That all seems sensible enough to me. . . Nationalising the Railway should get them some votes because private rail is a complete shambles. Tuition fees isn't going to get you many votes except for the 18-25 bracket.

Surely any parent would consider voting for someone saying they will scrap tuition fees.

Owen Brannigan

Generally a poor manifesto which brings back nationalisation that cannot be afforded and the record of these nationalised industries was poor.  How about looking at how other modern European countries like Germany deal with their energy companies and railways before going back to the 1970s.

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Respect the Brexit referendum result and give a meaningful vote on any deal to parliament.
So, no different from conservatives.
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EU citizens living in the UK would have their rights guaranteed unilaterally.
Same as Tories

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Theresa May's Brexit white paper would be replaced with a plan that aims to retain the benefits of the customs union and single market.
Didn't vote against this when in parliament, just went with the Tories.
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Bring parts of the energy industry into public ownership and introduce a local, socially owned energy firm in every area. Also introduce an "immediate emergency price cap" to make sure dual fuel bills stay below £1,000 a year.
Same as Tory proposed cap on energy bills

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Nationalise the railways.
Apart of franchises the railway system is still nationalised - unaffordable to payoff all franchises and rolling stock
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Phase out tuition fees.
Tuition fees were introduced by Labour - a reversal in party policy
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Make more funds available for childcare and social care.
Social care is a black hole for funding in UK and all parties agree more funding is required
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Retain the Trident nuclear deterrent. A sentence from earlier drafts saying that a prime minister should be "extremely cautious" about using a weapon that would kill "millions of innocent civilians" has been removed.
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Same as Tories - don't believe any PM would launch unilaterally as it would lead to destruction of UK but not a deterrent if you are not prepared to fire back - Mutually Assured Destruction is the accepted worldwide policy
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Place "peace, universal rights and international law" at the heart of foreign policy, while committing to spend 2% of GDP on defence, as required by Nato.
Same as Tories
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Make zero-hours contracts illegal.
A unique policy
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Build 100,000 new council houses per year.
Impossible promise, never achieved by Tory or Labour in last 40 years and not a central government role - depends on local government policy and funding.
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Complete HS2 from London to Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester and Scotland.
Same as Tories
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Borrow £250bn to invest in infrastructure but stick to the fiscal credibility rule to balance day-to-day spending.
On top of the trillion pounds already owed by UK - more debt for future generations
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Also raise taxes for people earning more than £80,000 and reverse corporation and inheritance-tax cuts.
5% of earners will then provide more than half of all tax on income as only 1.6 million earn more than £80K, higher corporation tax will send companies to other countries, e.g. Ireland, ordinary people will pay inheritance tax on homes left by parents due to house price inflation the average house price in UK is £301,572.
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Insulate homes of disabled veterans for free.
Has been available in UK for anyone on state benefits
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Extend the right to abortion to Northern Ireland.
Runs against devolution - this has been devolved away from Westminster
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Oppose a second Scottish referendum.
Just like Tories
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Lower the voting age to 16.
Was already provided in Scots referendum - if young people voted at even a rate close to the over 50s they could change things but it doesn't happen e.g. the EU Referendum was lost on poor turnout of those most affected by the change.
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Employ 1,000 more border guards.
Even more little Englander than the Tory government
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End the badger cull
An Islington view on how to control the rampant brucellosis problem in England where disease is spread by badgers
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Extend the Freedom of Information Act to private companies running public services.
Wouldn't be laughable if Labour had not been responsible for tightening the FoI when in government
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Review universal credit cuts with a view to reversing them.
No need to review if you really opposed the cuts and were a relevant opposition when they were implemented
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Recognise the benefit that immigrants have brought but introduce fair rules and reasonable management, working with employers that need to recruit from abroad but deterring exploitation.
Keeping out the immigrants to meet the demands of the unions

seafoid

Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 11, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
Generally a poor manifesto which brings back nationalisation that cannot be afforded and the record of these nationalised industries was poor.  How about looking at how other modern European countries like Germany deal with their energy companies and railways before going back to the 1970s.

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Respect the Brexit referendum result and give a meaningful vote on any deal to parliament.
So, no different from conservatives.
Quote
EU citizens living in the UK would have their rights guaranteed unilaterally.
Same as Tories

Quote
Theresa May's Brexit white paper would be replaced with a plan that aims to retain the benefits of the customs union and single market.
Didn't vote against this when in parliament, just went with the Tories.
Quote
Bring parts of the energy industry into public ownership and introduce a local, socially owned energy firm in every area. Also introduce an "immediate emergency price cap" to make sure dual fuel bills stay below £1,000 a year.
Same as Tory proposed cap on energy bills

Quote
Nationalise the railways.
Apart of franchises the railway system is still nationalised - unaffordable to payoff all franchises and rolling stock
Quote
Phase out tuition fees.
Tuition fees were introduced by Labour - a reversal in party policy
Quote
Make more funds available for childcare and social care.
Social care is a black hole for funding in UK and all parties agree more funding is required
[quote
Retain the Trident nuclear deterrent. A sentence from earlier drafts saying that a prime minister should be "extremely cautious" about using a weapon that would kill "millions of innocent civilians" has been removed.
Same as Tories - don't believe any PM would launch unilaterally as it would lead to destruction of UK but not a deterrent if you are not prepared to fire back - Mutually Assured Destruction is the accepted worldwide policy
Quote
Place "peace, universal rights and international law" at the heart of foreign policy, while committing to spend 2% of GDP on defence, as required by Nato.
Same as Tories
Quote
Make zero-hours contracts illegal.
A unique policy
Quote
Build 100,000 new council houses per year.
Impossible promise, never achieved by Tory or Labour in last 40 years and not a central government role - depends on local government policy and funding.
Quote
Complete HS2 from London to Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester and Scotland.
Same as Tories
Quote
Borrow £250bn to invest in infrastructure but stick to the fiscal credibility rule to balance day-to-day spending.
On top of the trillion pounds already owed by UK - more debt for future generations
Quote
Also raise taxes for people earning more than £80,000 and reverse corporation and inheritance-tax cuts.
5% of earners will then provide more than half of all tax on income as only 1.6 million earn more than £80K, higher corporation tax will send companies to other countries, e.g. Ireland, ordinary people will pay inheritance tax on homes left by parents due to house price inflation the average house price in UK is £301,572.
Quote
Insulate homes of disabled veterans for free.
Has been available in UK for anyone on state benefits
Quote
Extend the right to abortion to Northern Ireland.
Runs against devolution - this has been devolved away from Westminster
Quote
Oppose a second Scottish referendum.
Just like Tories
Quote
Lower the voting age to 16.
Was already provided in Scots referendum - if young people voted at even a rate close to the over 50s they could change things but it doesn't happen e.g. the EU Referendum was lost on poor turnout of those most affected by the change.
Quote
Employ 1,000 more border guards.
Even more little Englander than the Tory government
Quote
End the badger cull
An Islington view on how to control the rampant brucellosis problem in England where disease is spread by badgers
Quote
Extend the Freedom of Information Act to private companies running public services.
Wouldn't be laughable if Labour had not been responsible for tightening the FoI when in government
Quote
Review universal credit cuts with a view to reversing them.
No need to review if you really opposed the cuts and were a relevant opposition when they were implemented
Quote
Recognise the benefit that immigrants have brought but introduce fair rules and reasonable management, working with employers that need to recruit from abroad but deterring exploitation.
Keeping out the immigrants to meet the demands of the unions
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Labour want to stay in the single market and customs union. Tories don't
Tories want to use residency as a bargaining chip
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnneycool

Quote from: whitey on May 06, 2017, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 06, 2017, 08:06:47 PM
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Quote from: whitey on May 06, 2017, 06:06:23 PM
What do voters want?

Jobs

Healthcare

Education

Security

Law and Order


If Labour doesnt make these their priorities they are in serious trouble.  From what I can tell the UKIP voters defected to the Tories, not back to Labour in yesterdays local elections.  Theres lots of hardworking working class people and from what I could tell, Ed Milliband had nothing to offer them at the last GE. During that campaign a senior Labour minister sent out a snide condescending tweet with a picture of a house that had a British flag flying from the window


Corbyn is a joke and Labour is going to get wiped out next month
Voters want payrises and a properly funded NHS. the Tories won't deliver either

True...but Labour opened up the borders to mass immigration and these new arrivals are in direct competition with Labours base supporters for housing, healthcare and jobs.
The Tories used immigration to boost growth. Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
Payrises would solve many problems. Same in the US.

The TORIES used immingratio......wow.....thats some revisionist history your peddling there


https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story
The Tories have been in power since 2011.
The economic model is based on imigration not payrises with the government topping up low wages.

From link:


"Between 1997 and 2010, net annual immigration quadrupled, and the UK population was boosted by more than 2.2 million immigrants, more than twice the population of Birmingham. In Labour's last term in government, 2005-2010, net migration reached on average 247,000 a year."

Torys (and UKIP) have been trying to undo Labours disastrous immigration policies

I'd suggest one of the main drivers for this increase in migrants was the expansion of the EU to a lot of Eastern block countries in 2004 which allowed free movement of people and labour within this new expanded block rather than any party political decision or UK government policy.
I'd presume the then UK Government would have had to agree to it at EU level and there's a very good chance a Tory government would also have agreed to it.

These new trade deals post Brexit will have a "relaxation of visas" aspect as the Indians have already said and the EU won't be allowing the free movement of goods without the free movement of people also.

Johnny Englander wants to control his own borders and make his own laws, well he can, but he'll pay heavily for the privilege and we're collateral damage in it all.

armaghniac

Quote from: johnneycool on May 11, 2017, 03:28:08 PM
I'd suggest one of the main drivers for this increase in migrants was the expansion of the EU to a lot of Eastern block countries in 2004 which allowed free movement of people and labour within this new expanded block rather than any party political decision or UK government policy.

Only the UK, Ireland and Sweden agreed to full free movement in 2004.


QuoteI'd presume the then UK Government would have had to agree to it at EU level and there's a very good chance a Tory government would also have agreed to it.

The Tories probably would have agreed to it!
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

seafoid

One of the things about Tories is their adherence to economic ideas that are no longer coherent.
In the current election one such idea is that adopting Labour policies would bring the UK back to the 70s when the economy ground to a standstill As if now is different. But wages in real terms are 15% lower than 2008. The UK needs poilcies that support demand,which means things like payrises for workers.

There is a very interesting video here. The Tories have to sell voters policies that are not in their interest. A no deal Brexit is insane, for example. 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/unions-wrote-corbyns-manifesto-100-demands-copied-pasted-labours/
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

T Fearon

Where is the money going to come from to fund pay rises?

On another note,with both the SF and SDLP old guard shuffling off the stage,is it not time for a merger or rebranding of Northern nationalism with one party only? After all SF are fielding Solicitors these days.

seafoid

Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 11:12:32 AM
Where is the money going to come from to fund pay rises?

On another note,with both the SF and SDLP old guard shuffling off the stage,is it not time for a merger or rebranding of Northern nationalism with one party only? After all SF are fielding Solicitors these days.
Investment

There SFA investment at the moment
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

bennydorano

Lastest Opinion Polls according to UK Times / You gov poll :
Conservatives 44%
Labour 35%

The Manifestos being seen as the reason for the closing of the gap.

Watch the UK press go to town from tomorrow.


DuffleKing


The number of uturns by this tory government in May's time is unparalleled pro rata, particularly from a financial policy perspective.