Brexit.

Started by T Fearon, November 01, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

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macdanger2

Varadkar/Coveney seem to be doing a good job on the Brexit negotiations in terms of putting the pressure on the brits re the border. Despite its importance, it probably wouldn't count for much in an election

OgraAnDun

Excellent post Dubh driocht.

weareros

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Quote from: macdanger2 on November 24, 2017, 11:23:44 PM
Varadkar/Coveney seem to be doing a good job on the Brexit negotiations in terms of putting the pressure on the brits re the border. Despite its importance, it probably wouldn't count for much in an election

You'd have to wonder if the Uber republicans in Sinn Fein and Fianna Fáil are getting worried with the pressure the Fine Gaelers have put the Brits under, even antagonizing the Tory rag The Sun. Before we know it, the border will have moved to the Irish Sea. Last thing the country needed was an unstable govt going into the December talks. Last thing SF and FF need is Blueshirts being the saviours.

Rossfan

Be some treason if the SFs and FFs fcuk the Country up for some short term irrelevant success in dumping some unimportant Minister. :o
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:37:40 PM
Be some treason if the SFs and FFs fcuk the Country up for some short term irrelevant success in dumping some unimportant Minister. :o

Why didn't she resign?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

armaghniac

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2017, 12:17:32 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:37:40 PM
Be some treason if the SFs and FFs fcuk the Country up for some short term irrelevant success in dumping some unimportant Minister. :o

Why didn't she resign?

She asked Arlene for advice.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Rossfan

Irish politicians of all hues and areas don't do resignations.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Avondhu star

Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2017, 11:37:40 PM
Be some treason if the SFs and FFs fcuk the Country up for some short term irrelevant success in dumping some unimportant Minister. :o

And do you think Spring Howlin and co acted in the national interest when taking out Albert Reynolds at the time of the first ceasefire?
Lee Harvey Oswald , your country needs you

Rossfan

No.
And that was 23 years ago so I don't see the relevance of the question.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/19/hard-brexit-highly-damaging-says-former-top-civil-servant-martin-donnelly

There is no trade deal on offer from the European Union that will stop Britain taking a major economic hit after Brexit, the government's former top trade official has warned.

In a direct warning to MPs, Sir Martin Donnelly, the chief civil servant in Liam Fox's Department for International Trade until earlier this year, states that leaving the single market in favour of negotiating a long-winded, Canada-style trade deal will "damage UK competitiveness and leave us with less investment, lower living standards and long queues at the border".

Donnelly, who left the trade department earlier this year and who has extensive experience working in Brussels, writes in theObserver that there is no credible free trade deal on offer "able to deliver the guaranteed market access, shared regulation and consumer protection that Britain needs".

"Vote to leave the single market if you must. But do it with your eyes open," he tells MPs. "Wishful thinking does not create well-paid jobs, pay taxes or fund public services."

He warns that leaving the EU's legal structures will leave Britain "more protected, more regulated and poorer".

 We shouldn't even be contemplating leaving the single market

Martin Donnelly

 

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His intervention comes days after a leaked European commission document suggested that Britain would not be offered a bespoke trade deal granting access to the single market for goods and services. It also comes with the government fighting to contain a Brexit crisis on several fronts: it could face a Commons defeat as early as Tuesday over a rebel attempt to ensure that the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights continues to have effect after Brexit.


 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/phil-hogan-ireland-eu-commissioner-brexit-chaos

The Irish government wants a written guarantee that there will be no hard border with Northern Ireland, something Dublin believes can only be achieved, in effect, by keeping the region within the single market and customs union. However, the Democratic Unionist party, whose support is propping up May's government, warned on Saturday it would never accept a post-Brexit deal that would effectively see a customs border pushed back to the Irish Sea. May has repeatedly made clear Britain will leave the single market and customs union.

The Irish crisis came as Britain's former EU ambassador, Sir Ivan Rogers, warned May's Brexit strategy was "an accident waiting to happen". Speaking after a speech at Hertford College, Oxford, he said completing the Brexit process was "guaranteed" to take a decade. He said that the prime minister's unrealistic hopes of securing a bespoke trade deal meant a car crash in the next few months was "quite likely
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Dubh driocht

Seafoid, you're bang on the money.
I see UK Labour is waking up- Alistair Campbell is excellent in Irish Times yesterday and John McDonnell spot on today;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42129759
If anyone has any friends in the UK Labour party, now is the time to act.
If anyone has any friends in SF now is not the time for a general election in the 26 counties.

seafoid

Good thing here from the ft comments


"With Brexit, the whole country might implode within about nine months. This is why the Tories are behaving like a besieged rat colony: they actually have to doing something and are being confronted with the novelty of immediate consequences. It's stating the obvious, but the conflict in negotiations is not a clash of national temperaments, but the atmosphere created when gung-ho carpetbaggers come up against patrician bureaucrats.
"
Unionism s backing the wrong horse.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Milltown Row2

Have they ever backed the right horse?

Any government that's had to go through a change like this will always loose out, how they have stayed on this time regardless of the DUP helping them is embarrassing! The smartest thing for the torrid to have happened was to lose and let the Labour Party take the blame once it explodes...

Be interesting on the 4th if that's the actual deadline or like here have the everlasting deadline day
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

seafoid

What does the Fox say?

Border agreed only after trade is agreed.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/26/liam-fox-northern-ireland-border-eu-trade-deal-uk-brexit

The Eurosceptics are suicidal. People like Fox do not want a deal. They are happy to pauperise the UK. So are the DUP
Hammond thinks Fox is a fantasist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

seafoid

From the Guardian link above

"Speaking after her party's annual conference this weekend, Foster accused Hogan of engaging in "megaphone diplomacy" over his remarks. She said that any move to give Northern Ireland 'special status' and for the region to stay in the customs union would be against the principle of consent enshrined in the 1998 Good Friday agreement.
The DUP leader said this would lead to a redrawing of the border. "Every business I speak to does not want a border down the middle of the Irish Sea. The UK is our biggest market," Foster said."

She is a lightweight-  Brexit could contract the UK economy by 10%.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU