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Re: Joe Brolly
« Reply #3990 on: November 07, 2017, 10:25:47 AM »
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didnít colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I canít know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... Iím sure itís tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, itís got to be done, at some point youíll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.

I agree with most of what you're saying aia but I think the last bit is wrong.

Yes Creggan did not handle the situation correctly at the time and the way Peadar was treated in not being picked for the team or even acknowledged in training games is despicable, the club should have backed him.

Having said that it was a challenging time for Nationalist communities to get their head around a "new" police force and while they should have shown the leadership and foresight to back him it wasn't just quite as simple as that. If they issue an apology and reach out to Peadar for what happened and why it happened I think it would ease the situation.

They probably won't though.

They would have done if this was handled better by Joe, as I've said before, the acceptance of the PSNI was a journey that everyone had to take, and some were on a faster path than others, and 15 years on and society has moved on and I believe reconciliation was possible.

However, the community now feels under attack, the whole community, even those who had supported Peadar, so the barriers have gone up.

The ironic thing about this is that Creggan down the years have always tried to remain non political, in that I mean we didn't promote Sinn Fein hard line republican agendas over SDLP, Workers Party, etc.

The club has always fought to remain a culturally focused club, strong in supporting sports, music, dance and the language.

At the time, people in the club would have thought that promoting PSNI would have  been making a political statement, and the club were in the position of trying to support Peadar but remaining neutral on the issue.

And in hindsight, that's where the club can receive justifiable criticism.

But there was no f#&*king manual to refer to on how to manage the situation, so I find it hard to criticise the club understanding the position it was in


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« Reply #3991 on: November 07, 2017, 10:42:56 AM »
In the midst of all the criticism of the Club, Brolly, Peadar himself etc is anybody criticising the real b**tards here - the cowardly anti democratic cnuts who tried to kill the poor chap?

Everyone is in agreement on this.

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« Reply #3992 on: November 07, 2017, 11:20:10 AM »
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didnít colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I canít know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... Iím sure itís tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, itís got to be done, at some point youíll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.

I agree with most of what you're saying aia but I think the last bit is wrong.

Yes Creggan did not handle the situation correctly at the time and the way Peadar was treated in not being picked for the team or even acknowledged in training games is despicable, the club should have backed him.

Having said that it was a challenging time for Nationalist communities to get their head around a "new" police force and while they should have shown the leadership and foresight to back him it wasn't just quite as simple as that. If they issue an apology and reach out to Peadar for what happened and why it happened I think it would ease the situation.

They probably won't though.

They would have done if this was handled better by Joe, as I've said before, the acceptance of the PSNI was a journey that everyone had to take, and some were on a faster path than others, and 15 years on and society has moved on and I believe reconciliation was possible.

However, the community now feels under attack, the whole community, even those who had supported Peadar, so the barriers have gone up.

The ironic thing about this is that Creggan down the years have always tried to remain non political, in that I mean we didn't promote Sinn Fein hard line republican agendas over SDLP, Workers Party, etc.

The club has always fought to remain a culturally focused club, strong in supporting sports, music, dance and the language.

At the time, people in the club would have thought that promoting PSNI would have  been making a political statement, and the club were in the position of trying to support Peadar but remaining neutral on the issue.

And in hindsight, that's where the club can receive justifiable criticism.

But there was no f#&*king manual to refer to on how to manage the situation, so I find it hard to criticise the club understanding the position it was in

Its a sorry mess for all involved, the club has got itself into a fantastic setting with the new pitches, facilities and the club is reaping the benefit of the community effort thats been put in and the success of the teams, things Joe hasnt brought up.. you are right about the manual, how does one conduct themselves when XY and Z happens, you will fcuk over someone but damage limatations from here on in

No leafleats in the referee's changing room next year please  :o
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« Reply #3993 on: November 07, 2017, 12:07:04 PM »
In the midst of all the criticism of the Club, Brolly, Peadar himself etc is anybody criticising the real b**tards here - the cowardly anti democratic cnuts who tried to kill the poor chap?

No. And that is the real tragedy here.

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« Reply #3994 on: November 07, 2017, 12:15:03 PM »
The security forces not only colluded with loyalists to murder innocent Catholics. They also intimidated, stopped and searched cars for no reason, long delays, threatening lads, man-handling them, made threats, etc. So many people have deep hatred for the RUC. And I'd say it's only lessened slightly since it's name change. If at all.

If you see anywhere where I said they didnít colluded then grand... but take off your rose tainted glasses and see it for what it was, a war a very dirty stinking war, and nobody fought Queensbury rules style... searched most days growing up, homes raided on a number of occasions, riots on a daily bases and family shot at wounded and beaten up, very lucky to not lose anyone, so I canít know how a person would feel losing a brother sister or parent... Iím sure itís tough

An eye for an eye attitude will make everyone blind, moving forward, albeit slowly is a hell of a lot better than the place I grew up in, dragging up the past is making the peace process painfully slow, people looking justice is right but an amnesty of sorts and a truth commission would heal a lot quicker

As for accepting the police, itís got to be done, at some point youíll have to call them and use them and put your trust in them!
Right on the money Milltown. You can't on the one hand expect people to forget the campaign of violence perpetrated by republicans and to accept the bone fides of the new peaceful republican movement and on the other denigrate members of your own community joining the PSNI and trying to make policing more representative. This is just wrong and any GAA club that would reject someone in those circumstances does not belong in the GAA.

I agree with most of what you're saying aia but I think the last bit is wrong.

Yes Creggan did not handle the situation correctly at the time and the way Peadar was treated in not being picked for the team or even acknowledged in training games is despicable, the club should have backed him.

Having said that it was a challenging time for Nationalist communities to get their head around a "new" police force and while they should have shown the leadership and foresight to back him it wasn't just quite as simple as that. If they issue an apology and reach out to Peadar for what happened and why it happened I think it would ease the situation.

They probably won't though.
Correct, a statement saying something along the lines of them being in a difficult situation but apologising that Peadar felt he was ostracised and that they were going to take steps to ensure no repetition.

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« Reply #3995 on: November 07, 2017, 12:22:50 PM »

Correct, a statement saying something along the lines of them being in a difficult situation but apologising that Peadar felt he was ostracised and that they were going to take steps to ensure no repetition.

No, there should be no more statements. Another statement will be admission that the first one wasn't good enough. It'll also be used to say that they are only doing it due to the pressure from outside and they don't really believe it. 'if they believed that they would have said it years ago' etc. It will also only prolong things.
No statement will be good enough if Brolly does not want it to be. It's not possible to write a statement that will fix this.
Not only did Brolly force the first statement, his next article shows that he is the one that decides if any statement is good enough.

If the club wish they could contact Peadar and see about repairing the bridge. Bypass Brolly and the media. I see no other way of addressing this.

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« Reply #3996 on: November 07, 2017, 02:31:52 PM »

Correct, a statement saying something along the lines of them being in a difficult situation but apologising that Peadar felt he was ostracised and that they were going to take steps to ensure no repetition.

No, there should be no more statements. Another statement will be admission that the first one wasn't good enough. It'll also be used to say that they are only doing it due to the pressure from outside and they don't really believe it. 'if they believed that they would have said it years ago' etc. It will also only prolong things.
No statement will be good enough if Brolly does not want it to be. It's not possible to write a statement that will fix this.
Not only did Brolly force the first statement, his next article shows that he is the one that decides if any statement is good enough.

If the club wish they could contact Peadar and see about repairing the bridge. Bypass Brolly and the media. I see no other way of addressing this.

Totally agree, approach him in confidence and sort it out. No need to feed that nutjobs ego anymore, he'll have moved on to new prey soon enough.

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« Reply #3997 on: November 07, 2017, 05:25:44 PM »
Has there been any word from heffron? Surely he isnít happy about the publicity that this has created and Iím sure his family arenít happy with the bad press that Creggan have received.

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« Reply #3998 on: November 07, 2017, 07:41:15 PM »
I see Francie Brolly in the paper today going against SF and Gerry Adams....you think he's just trying to take abit of heat off Joe?

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« Reply #3999 on: November 07, 2017, 08:45:44 PM »
Just cause his father supported Sinn Fein doesn't necessarily mean he does

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« Reply #4000 on: November 07, 2017, 09:05:29 PM »
I see Francie Brolly in the paper today going against SF and Gerry Adams....you think he's just trying to take abit of heat off Joe?

Doubt it, he and Brolly's mum are pretty outspoken about being pro-life.

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« Reply #4001 on: November 08, 2017, 12:37:22 AM »
I wonder can Joe interview the Mentioned PSNI GAA team trainer Mr Tucker and ask why he mentally tortured the family's of the young men who where shot dead in the Clonoe CHAPEL car park in 1992 one of them a playing member of my own club....

Tucker? Remember that name. Based in Dungannon he was totally detested. His name always cropped up.

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« Reply #4002 on: November 08, 2017, 12:50:53 AM »
I see Francie Brolly in the paper today going against SF and Gerry Adams....you think he's just trying to take abit of heat off Joe?

hardly, he disagreed with an abortion stance and stated Gerry was entitled to his view on it. As the boul DT would say, fake news.

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« Reply #4003 on: November 08, 2017, 09:47:37 AM »
Has there been any word from heffron? Surely he isnít happy about the publicity that this has created and Iím sure his family arenít happy with the bad press that Creggan have received.

It was him that said it!

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« Reply #4004 on: November 08, 2017, 11:28:53 AM »
I wonder can Joe interview the Mentioned PSNI GAA team trainer Mr Tucker and ask why he mentally tortured the family's of the young men who where shot dead in the Clonoe CHAPEL car park in 1992 one of them a playing member of my own club....

Tucker? Remember that name. Based in Dungannon he was totally detested. His name always cropped up.

He is part of the reason why the PSNI or their Gaa team will never be excepted in East Tyrone Clubs, along with the Legacy cases hanging over Families of murder victims some going back 40 years.....