Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[whitey]

https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hamas-Gripping-Political-Unthinkable/dp/1414333080

I read this book over Christmas. The Israeli Intelligence flipped the son of one of Hamas' founders

I find it very hard to believe they had no advance warning of the Oct 7th attacks. Hamas is/was riddled with informers

[Jell 0 Biafra]

They had advance warning that something was in the works, like the US did about 9/11.  But, like the US, they didn't take it seriously enough.

[Eire90]

houthis promise safe passage for Russian and Chinese ships
A senior Houthi official has promised safe passage for Russian and Chinese vessels through the Red Sea, where the Iran-backed Yemeni militant group has been carrying out attacks on commercial ships in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza.

[ThomasMullan]

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

Ahahaha Putin wanted. So Putin should get? Have a listen to yourself. Parroting Russian propaganda verbatim, just like Clare Daly.

How about democratically elected governments of sovereign countries wanted to join a military alliance so they don't get bullied and invaded by Russia. NATO could never threaten Russia, nuclear weapons anyone? NATO only threatens Russia's ability to dominate its neighbours, once they are on the inside. Russia's invasion of Ukraine ended up with more NATO on Russia's border but Russia doesn't really care cause it's all a fig leaf anyway. Russia doesn't recognise Ukraine as an independent country and never have and would only ever tolerate a client state there, as in Belarus.

Putin's demands re. NATO were something that he knew were never going to happen so it wasn't a serious proposal. Roll back to 1997? What a joke. Typical Russian 'negotiatons', while they build up their invasion force on the border of Ukraine. Cos Russians don't lie do they PHP? Remember when they said they weren't going to invade, right up to the point they invaded. Liars.

As for Clare Daly, yeah she she came out with the beautiful condemnation blaming Russia for the invasion..out one side of her mouth. And has done nothing but parrot the same rubbish as yourself out the other side since. Completely disingenuous. Poor old Russia, always forced into one of its invasion, murder, looting, bombing, raping and deporting sprees. Can't believe anyone falls for their shite, never mind spreading it on their behalf. Sickening.

Anyway back on topic etc etc

[ThomasMullan]

Oh look it's NATO aggressor country Germany threatening Russia..

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/russia_germany_nord_stream_pipeline/24384263.html

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

Ahahaha Putin wanted. So Putin should get? Have a listen to yourself. Parroting Russian propaganda verbatim, just like Clare Daly.

How about democratically elected governments of sovereign countries wanted to join a military alliance so they don't get bullied and invaded by Russia. NATO could never threaten Russia, nuclear weapons anyone? NATO only threatens Russia's ability to dominate its neighbours, once they are on the inside. Russia's invasion of Ukraine ended up with more NATO on Russia's border but Russia doesn't really care cause it's all a fig leaf anyway. Russia doesn't recognise Ukraine as an independent country and never have and would only ever tolerate a client state there, as in Belarus.

Putin's demands re. NATO were something that he knew were never going to happen so it wasn't a serious proposal. Roll back to 1997? What a joke. Typical Russian 'negotiatons', while they build up their invasion force on the border of Ukraine. Cos Russians don't lie do they PHP? Remember when they said they weren't going to invade, right up to the point they invaded. Liars.

As for Clare Daly, yeah she she came out with the beautiful condemnation blaming Russia for the invasion..out one side of her mouth. And has done nothing but parrot the same rubbish as yourself out the other side since. Completely disingenuous. Poor old Russia, always forced into one of its invasion, murder, looting, bombing, raping and deporting sprees. Can't believe anyone falls for their shite, never mind spreading it on their behalf. Sickening.

Anyway back on topic etc etc

I just quoted the head of Nato and quoted Daly to counter Main Street comments.. no one said Russia were forced on here. but Russia is evil, Hamas is evil, is simple minded stuff.

we are all still waiting on yoi to provide analysis who aren't hypocrites.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

https://www.amazon.com/Son-Hamas-Gripping-Political-Unthinkable/dp/1414333080

I read this book over Christmas. The Israeli Intelligence flipped the son of one of Hamas' founders

I find it very hard to believe they had no advance warning of the Oct 7th attacks. Hamas is/was riddled with informers

it becomes harder to get informers when a huge percent of Hamas are orphans, Israel has no leverage to treaten their families.

[Armagh18]

https://twitter.com/OxfordDiplomat/status/1747948629371879801?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[ThomasMullan]

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

Ahahaha Putin wanted. So Putin should get? Have a listen to yourself. Parroting Russian propaganda verbatim, just like Clare Daly.

How about democratically elected governments of sovereign countries wanted to join a military alliance so they don't get bullied and invaded by Russia. NATO could never threaten Russia, nuclear weapons anyone? NATO only threatens Russia's ability to dominate its neighbours, once they are on the inside. Russia's invasion of Ukraine ended up with more NATO on Russia's border but Russia doesn't really care cause it's all a fig leaf anyway. Russia doesn't recognise Ukraine as an independent country and never have and would only ever tolerate a client state there, as in Belarus.

Putin's demands re. NATO were something that he knew were never going to happen so it wasn't a serious proposal. Roll back to 1997? What a joke. Typical Russian 'negotiatons', while they build up their invasion force on the border of Ukraine. Cos Russians don't lie do they PHP? Remember when they said they weren't going to invade, right up to the point they invaded. Liars.

As for Clare Daly, yeah she she came out with the beautiful condemnation blaming Russia for the invasion..out one side of her mouth. And has done nothing but parrot the same rubbish as yourself out the other side since. Completely disingenuous. Poor old Russia, always forced into one of its invasion, murder, looting, bombing, raping and deporting sprees. Can't believe anyone falls for their shite, never mind spreading it on their behalf. Sickening.

Anyway back on topic etc etc

I just quoted the head of Nato and quoted Daly to counter Main Street comments.. no one said Russia were forced on here. but Russia is evil, Hamas is evil, is simple minded stuff.

we are all still waiting on yoi to provide analysis who aren't hypocrites.

You didn't counter MainStreet though did you PHP. NATO is a fig leaf and Clare Daly speaks out both sides of her mouth.

Not a single reason Russia gave for their invasion stands up to even basic scrutiny. Doesn't stop it being endlessly parroted by Russia's useful western idiots though.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

Ahahaha Putin wanted. So Putin should get? Have a listen to yourself. Parroting Russian propaganda verbatim, just like Clare Daly.

How about democratically elected governments of sovereign countries wanted to join a military alliance so they don't get bullied and invaded by Russia. NATO could never threaten Russia, nuclear weapons anyone? NATO only threatens Russia's ability to dominate its neighbours, once they are on the inside. Russia's invasion of Ukraine ended up with more NATO on Russia's border but Russia doesn't really care cause it's all a fig leaf anyway. Russia doesn't recognise Ukraine as an independent country and never have and would only ever tolerate a client state there, as in Belarus.

Putin's demands re. NATO were something that he knew were never going to happen so it wasn't a serious proposal. Roll back to 1997? What a joke. Typical Russian 'negotiatons', while they build up their invasion force on the border of Ukraine. Cos Russians don't lie do they PHP? Remember when they said they weren't going to invade, right up to the point they invaded. Liars.

As for Clare Daly, yeah she she came out with the beautiful condemnation blaming Russia for the invasion..out one side of her mouth. And has done nothing but parrot the same rubbish as yourself out the other side since. Completely disingenuous. Poor old Russia, always forced into one of its invasion, murder, looting, bombing, raping and deporting sprees. Can't believe anyone falls for their shite, never mind spreading it on their behalf. Sickening.

Anyway back on topic etc etc

I just quoted the head of Nato and quoted Daly to counter Main Street comments.. no one said Russia were forced on here. but Russia is evil, Hamas is evil, is simple minded stuff.

we are all still waiting on yoi to provide analysis who aren't hypocrites.

You didn't counter MainStreet though did you PHP. NATO is a fig leaf and Clare Daly speaks out both sides of her mouth.

Not a single reason Russia gave for their invasion stands up to even basic scrutiny. Doesn't stop it being endlessly parroted by Russia's useful western idiots though.

I did,

They will never criticize Hamas, Assad, Iran, Russia, Nth Korea or China

.

I provided a statement to show Daly did criticize.

Yes as per kremlin speak, Russia had to invade Ukraine because of Nato

The head of Nato said

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders

Nato are also saying that is a reason Russia went to war.

Don't bother arguing  it not criticism,  because if she didn't want to say anything negative about Russia than she could. Equally don't bother listing reasons for Russians invasion, I was showing that that comment isn't Kremlin speak, Nato also said it.

It is not a broad review of Daly or Russia reasons for the invasion. If Main Street had said Daly rarely criticizes Russia or when critising Russia always follows it with criticism of the West. I wouldn't have commented.

Now any chance you can let everyone know the analysises/commentator that are not hypocrites.

[ThomasMullan]

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.

Ahahaha Putin wanted. So Putin should get? Have a listen to yourself. Parroting Russian propaganda verbatim, just like Clare Daly.

How about democratically elected governments of sovereign countries wanted to join a military alliance so they don't get bullied and invaded by Russia. NATO could never threaten Russia, nuclear weapons anyone? NATO only threatens Russia's ability to dominate its neighbours, once they are on the inside. Russia's invasion of Ukraine ended up with more NATO on Russia's border but Russia doesn't really care cause it's all a fig leaf anyway. Russia doesn't recognise Ukraine as an independent country and never have and would only ever tolerate a client state there, as in Belarus.

Putin's demands re. NATO were something that he knew were never going to happen so it wasn't a serious proposal. Roll back to 1997? What a joke. Typical Russian 'negotiatons', while they build up their invasion force on the border of Ukraine. Cos Russians don't lie do they PHP? Remember when they said they weren't going to invade, right up to the point they invaded. Liars.

As for Clare Daly, yeah she she came out with the beautiful condemnation blaming Russia for the invasion..out one side of her mouth. And has done nothing but parrot the same rubbish as yourself out the other side since. Completely disingenuous. Poor old Russia, always forced into one of its invasion, murder, looting, bombing, raping and deporting sprees. Can't believe anyone falls for their shite, never mind spreading it on their behalf. Sickening.

Anyway back on topic etc etc

I just quoted the head of Nato and quoted Daly to counter Main Street comments.. no one said Russia were forced on here. but Russia is evil, Hamas is evil, is simple minded stuff.

we are all still waiting on yoi to provide analysis who aren't hypocrites.

You didn't counter MainStreet though did you PHP. NATO is a fig leaf and Clare Daly speaks out both sides of her mouth.

Not a single reason Russia gave for their invasion stands up to even basic scrutiny. Doesn't stop it being endlessly parroted by Russia's useful western idiots though.

I did,

They will never criticize Hamas, Assad, Iran, Russia, Nth Korea or China

.

I provided a statement to show Daly did criticize.

Yes as per kremlin speak, Russia had to invade Ukraine because of Nato

The head of Nato said

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders

Nato are also saying that is a reason Russia went to war.

Don't bother arguing  it not criticism,  because if she didn't want to say anything negative about Russia than she could. Equally don't bother listing reasons for Russians invasion, I was showing that that comment isn't Kremlin speak, Nato also said it.

It is not a broad review of Daly or Russia reasons for the invasion. If Main Street had said Daly rarely criticizes Russia or when critising Russia always follows it with criticism of the West. I wouldn't have commented.

Now any chance you can let everyone know the analysises/commentator that are not hypocrites.

So Daly criticises Russia in one breath and excuses them the next. That's in keeping with her hypocrisy, nothing new there.

As for Stoltenberg's remarks, yes, Russia didn't want Ukraine joining NATO. Why? For the reasons I've outlined above, it would signal the end of their ability to bully and intimidate and ultimately invade if they can't have a puppet in power. NATO is only a threat to Russia's revanchist ambitions. That's what I mean when I say it's a fig leaf. NATO is no threat to Russia.

NATO has been on Russia's border since 1999 - Poland, and Baltics 2004. When is the big invasion coming PHP?

NATO won't even give Ukraine ATACMs or Taurus missiles such is their fear of escalation, yet somehow we're supposed to believe Russia when they say they're intimidated by NATO expansion. Yes they don't want countries to join but not for the reasons they state.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

tangents, tangents, tangents, moving goalpost and points raised that have nothing do with my narrow exchange with Main Street but still no answer to the one question a few posters have ask you to provide..

[AustinPowers]

They had advance warning that something was in the works, like the US did about 9/11.  But, like the US, they didn't take it seriously enough.

Didn't take it  seriously enough, or  let it happen?

[Franko]

Itchy and PHP,

Glad we're all on the same page regarding your heroine Clare Daly, no arguments from either of you there regarding her hypocrisy. She only gets upset when Israel kills Palestinians, not Bashar Al Assad.

Makes you wonder, does she really care about Palestinians? What sort of a person can be confronted with the images of the civilians killed by Assad and not be moved? What kind of person is that?

i wonder more about you. holier than thou attitude..

I think perhaps you should wonder more about Clare Daly. I'm not an MEP representing Ireland in Europe. Listen to what she says about the goings on in China for example.

you are very focused on Daly for some reason we know your thoughts on her, and you advised us to look at other sources...but cannot provide any!!!

there are a lot worst MEPs in Europe and from Ireland.

You steadfastly refuse to comment on her shortcomings. Is she a hypocrite or not?

OK I'll have a go.

Clare Daly is a hypocrite.

Now that we've put that that one put to bed...can you please tell us who should we be listening to in relation to this topic?

Crickets.....

[ThomasMullan]

tangents, tangents, tangents, moving goalpost and points raised that have nothing do with my narrow exchange with Main Street but still no answer to the one question a few posters have ask you to provide..

No goalposts have been moved by me, my points about NATO and Russia's BS reasons for concern about NATO stand.

Ah yes, yourself and one other have asked and I have already answered that I won't be doing your research for you (your favourite response) - you know the definition of hypocrisy, and now have St. Clare of Hypocrisa as a fine example. Off you go then, the internet is a big place.

As an aside, I find it rather telling that pointing out Daly's glaring hypocrisy results in a form of whataboutery from you and one other. When you can't defend the indefensible you scream 'whatabout'!

Just up the road from Gaza are cities in Syria with neighbourhoods that look just like Gaza does now, having had bombs dropped on them. Palestinians murdered there by those bombs (among others).

One might conclude that St. Clare of Hypocrisia doesn't care about dead Palestinians, only who is killing them. They're just paper dolls to her in her anti-US, anti-western crusade. In fact it's not just Clare, I can't recall of any Irish pro-Palestinian campaigner who ever highlighted Assad's Palestinian victims. Do you know of any PHP? Even a single one? Can you maybe research it for me?

p.s. Franko those crickets are the sound of someone doing something else.