Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[PadraicHenryPearse]

this is my one time ill reenage with you but just to show once again how you are completely wrong and misinterpret everything. 

it does seem everything comes back to Russia with you, something you accuse others of regarding the US... my initial comment to you was related to exactly that.

to answer your question, lowkey is the only one I follow, I think i followed George Galloway at one stage but I must of unfollowed. I follow c400 and didn't realise Stephen Fry was one which might surprise you. I haven't  heard of half those people.

So you don't follow GrayZone but you know what they are reporting (as per your post above)? Did I 'misinterpret' you again?

(p.s. Max and Aaron are the chief grifters behind GrayZone)

Yes, that is correct I don't follow Grayzone but they appear on my timeline or are referenced or retweeted by others I do follow. Max and Aaron are part of the half I have heard of.

That's my last engage with you.

[ThomasMullan]

The BBC has not reported as far as I can see like Israeli media has and the grayzone has how the Israelis killed both Hamas and Israelis on October 7th.

Some people like to throw about labels, and misinterpret pointing out bias and how important the use of language is in reporting as saying all reporting from a news organisation cannot be trusted or is unreliable when this isn't what is said.

GrayZone - the no 1 Russian propaganda misinformation outlet on the internet. - it all makes sense now PHP.

You wouldn't happen to follow any of these chaps would you by any chance?

Max Blumenthal
Aaron Mate
Scott Ritter (everyone's favourite disgraced paedophile weapons inspector)
George Galloway
Gonzalo Lira
Lowkey
John Moran
Caitlin Johnston
Patrick Lancaster
Michael Tracey
Medea Benjamin
Eva Bartlett
Graham Phillips
Kim DotCom
Clare Daly
Mick Wallace

Go on - be honest - how many did I get?

Strange that you have that list to hand.

What are your thoughts on the fact that Grayzone posted stories early days that people like you ridiculed because Grayzone are Russia apologists etc. But now we know much of what they said was true. Israel did kill scores of their own people on Oct 7th. Were they just lucky this time?

What about the mainstream media that many have defended who just regurgitated word for word everything Israel released which we now know was 90% lies? Is there no accountability for those media outlets. Should we declare them "us/Israel affiliated media" as I basically believe nothing at face value that they write.

Why is is strange that I have that list Itchy? Is that your top 16 on Twitter? Don't worry I haven't hacked into your account, it's just a coincidence.

This thing is lads, when you come out with the garbage you do on Russia-Ukraine, it is soooo obvious where it's all coming from. It's where all the 'freethinkers' end up.

Your Question: GrayZone is probably more accurate on this occasion because a) Israel lies about everything and b) it suits their agenda.

What you won't find on GrayZone, ever, is any report anywhere on dead Palestinians when slaughtered by Bashar-Al-Assad. You also won't find anything on their media about fat heroic Russian fighter pilots bombing residential neighbourhoods in Syria, slaughtering civilians to this day, just as the Israelis are doing in Gaza. So, Max Blumenthal, naw, don't think so.

[ThomasMullan]

this is my one time ill reenage with you but just to show once again how you are completely wrong and misinterpret everything. 

it does seem everything comes back to Russia with you, something you accuse others of regarding the US... my initial comment to you was related to exactly that.

to answer your question, lowkey is the only one I follow, I think i followed George Galloway at one stage but I must of unfollowed. I follow c400 and didn't realise Stephen Fry was one which might surprise you. I haven't  heard of half those people.

So you don't follow GrayZone but you know what they are reporting (as per your post above)? Did I 'misinterpret' you again?

(p.s. Max and Aaron are the chief grifters behind GrayZone)

Yes, that is correct I don't follow Grayzone but they appear on my timeline or are referenced or retweeted by others I do follow. Max and Aaron are part of the half I have heard of.

That's my last engage with you.

So you follow guys that retweet GrayZone - same difference, you're just getting the Russian propaganda one step removed.

Don't engage then - keep your head buried in the sand.

[Itchy]

You write so much and say so little. I think I'm also done engaging with you. Hopefully you'll get the boot out of here like your previous reincarnation.

[ThomasMullan]

You write so much and say so little. I think I'm also done engaging with you. Hopefully you'll get the boot out of here like your previous reincarnation.

You lads really, really don't like having your worldview challenged in any way. You're pissed off at the west (nothing wrong in that) but you've been lulled into a big soft warm blanket provided by online Russian propaganda outlets drip feeding you misinformation for years so much so nothing will change your minds. Ever.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

this is my one time ill reenage with you but just to show once again how you are completely wrong and misinterpret everything. 

it does seem everything comes back to Russia with you, something you accuse others of regarding the US... my initial comment to you was related to exactly that.

to answer your question, lowkey is the only one I follow, I think i followed George Galloway at one stage but I must of unfollowed. I follow c400 and didn't realise Stephen Fry was one which might surprise you. I haven't  heard of half those people.

So you don't follow GrayZone but you know what they are reporting (as per your post above)? Did I 'misinterpret' you again?

(p.s. Max and Aaron are the chief grifters behind GrayZone)

Yes, that is correct I don't follow Grayzone but they appear on my timeline or are referenced or retweeted by others I do follow. Max and Aaron are part of the half I have heard of.

That's my last engage with you.

So you follow guys that retweet GrayZone - same difference, you're just getting the Russian propaganda one step removed.

Don't engage then - keep your head buried in the sand.

Last time i promise, wrong again... I dont get any Russian propaganda or news at all mostly because it's prohibited (before you get the wrong idea, i wouldn't seek it out anyway). almost 100% or what I get to see from grayzone or Max and 100% of my interest in what I see relates to Palestine, the topic of this thread.

[ThomasMullan]

this is my one time ill reenage with you but just to show once again how you are completely wrong and misinterpret everything. 

it does seem everything comes back to Russia with you, something you accuse others of regarding the US... my initial comment to you was related to exactly that.

to answer your question, lowkey is the only one I follow, I think i followed George Galloway at one stage but I must of unfollowed. I follow c400 and didn't realise Stephen Fry was one which might surprise you. I haven't  heard of half those people.

So you don't follow GrayZone but you know what they are reporting (as per your post above)? Did I 'misinterpret' you again?

(p.s. Max and Aaron are the chief grifters behind GrayZone)

Yes, that is correct I don't follow Grayzone but they appear on my timeline or are referenced or retweeted by others I do follow. Max and Aaron are part of the half I have heard of.

That's my last engage with you.

So you follow guys that retweet GrayZone - same difference, you're just getting the Russian propaganda one step removed.

Don't engage then - keep your head buried in the sand.

Last time i promise, wrong again... I dont get any Russian propaganda or news at all mostly because it's prohibited (before you get the wrong idea, i wouldn't seek it out anyway). almost 100% or what I get to see from grayzone or Max and 100% of my interest in what I see relates to Palestine, the topic of this thread.

Does Max or GrayZone ever report of Palestinians murdered by Assad forces in Syria or is it just the ones murdered by Israelis he is concerned about?

Hopefully that's on topic enough for you.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Norman finkelstein predicting only 6/7 judges will vote in South Africans favour. he notes a Uk Judge but there isn't one.  US, UK, Russia, China vote no due to implications on their own cases or involvement. Uganda, Australia, Germany and India no. France,  Slovakia and Japan 50/50. Brazil, Morocco, Lebanon, Jamaica and Somalia yes.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Reports that Yemen is being targeted now.

[Itchy]

Reports that Yemen is being targeted now.

Those lovers of freedom are riding to the rescue again. The new axis of evil.

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Max Blumenthal is asking exactly the right questions here.  If you want to discredit him, based on his views on Ukraine, for example, go right ahead.  But his questions are the right ones here, and they need answering.

[Tubberman]

US/UK very quick to act when shipping routes are affected. Not so much when thousands of economically insignificant Palestinians are killed

[ThomasMullan]

Max Blumenthal is asking exactly the right questions here.  If you want to discredit him, based on his views on Ukraine, for example, go right ahead.  But his questions are the right ones here, and they need answering.

He discredits himself, not just on Ukraine, but Syria and elsewhere.

So he is asking the right questions on Gaza. Is it just American hypocrisy we are interested in calling out here?

[Milltown Row2]

if i was a sceptic, id think the timing of the increased UK and US posturing and potential escalation  towards the Houthis is linked to South African actions.

So what's the link between the South Africans and the Houthis?

Well, it's not been mentioned too much but the South Africans have taken a case to the ICJ, a case the UK and the US are not happy about.

An escalation in military activity against the Houthis might just relegate or minimise any reporting of said case and will focus the world media instead on the Red Sea and Yemen rather than on the ICJ. 

Are you being serious? Are you a crackpot conspiracy theorist?

I am serious (kinda), I am not a conspiracy theorist.

In a world where the President of the US can tell everyone he saw evidence of beheaded babies that doesn't exist and can arm and support the genocide of over 22k palestinans, I am open to almost anything.

I dont know if you are aware of the comment made on 9/11 by a Uk Labour aide, "a good day to bury bad news".

In summary, something to draw attention away from the ICJ would i think be in the interests of the US and UK, I don't think suggesting that is a conspiracy, infact I think TD Cathal Berry on the tonight show (who is a ****) might just said suggested similar.

Are you suggesting that the governments allowed 9/11 to happen so they could "bury bad news"

Maybe they delayed the impact of the postal cases so they could bury bad news

What's happening in that region has been happening for years, the Houthis, backed by Iran, have upped their game funnily enough with the drones. The Houthis are a step or 10 up on the Somalia pirates, saying they are attacking Israel bound ships, when that's not true.

The Middle East is a cluster f**k and was always ready to explode, the meteorite hitting the planet might be the better option 

[PadraicHenryPearse]

if i was a sceptic, id think the timing of the increased UK and US posturing and potential escalation  towards the Houthis is linked to South African actions.

So what's the link between the South Africans and the Houthis?

Well, it's not been mentioned too much but the South Africans have taken a case to the ICJ, a case the UK and the US are not happy about.

An escalation in military activity against the Houthis might just relegate or minimise any reporting of said case and will focus the world media instead on the Red Sea and Yemen rather than on the ICJ. 

Are you being serious? Are you a crackpot conspiracy theorist?

I am serious (kinda), I am not a conspiracy theorist.

In a world where the President of the US can tell everyone he saw evidence of beheaded babies that doesn't exist and can arm and support the genocide of over 22k palestinans, I am open to almost anything.

I dont know if you are aware of the comment made on 9/11 by a Uk Labour aide, "a good day to bury bad news".

In summary, something to draw attention away from the ICJ would i think be in the interests of the US and UK, I don't think suggesting that is a conspiracy, infact I think TD Cathal Berry on the tonight show (who is a ****) might just said suggested similar.

Are you suggesting that the governments allowed 9/11 to happen so they could "bury bad news"

Maybe they delayed the impact of the postal cases so they could bury bad news

What's happening in that region has been happening for years, the Houthis, backed by Iran, have upped their game funnily enough with the drones. The Houthis are a step or 10 up on the Somalia pirates, saying they are attacking Israel bound ships, when that's not true.

The Middle East is a cluster f**k and was always ready to explode, the meteorite hitting the planet might be the better option 

No, I am not suggesting they let 9/11 happen. I am suggusting that if something major happens it a good time to bury news or move other big news stories off our screens (for the little coverage they got).

You can bury existing news by creating new news, it happens all the time in politics (at a lower level) a soundbite to capture the headlines rather than the real issue getting airtime etc.

As you suggest what's happening has been happening for years, houtis upped their game but why was it yesterday the US And Uk decided to escalte tense in the region?

I am not suggesting the US and UK wouldn't have taken this action anyway at some point (as they care more for shipping routes than Palestinians) , but it certainly suits them to do it now as it also takes attention for the ICJ. Happy coincidence for them or a strategic move?