Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[seafoid]

It is not a war. It is a brutal occupation.

[armaghniac]

Just wonder if it's because we sort of consider Israel to be "western" and therefore hold them to western standards?

Israel claims to be a member of advanced western nations, so that should set the standard, Syria does not.

[seafoid]

Israel is a member of UEFA and Eurovision.  Syria is not. Israel is supposed to be house trained.

[Eamonnca1]

"Riled up"? What are you on about? I'm actually a little bit bored w/ this thread, but it sort of baffles me as to why people care SO much about it. Far more people died in the war Syria, for example. Was that too complicated to understand? Yeah, I know there's lots of factors involved that stir people up a bit, but - Christ! - ye do bang on a bit!

You can avoid getting "bored with a thread" with this one weird trick...

[Franko]

In your experience? Is this from surveys or just chit chat at the pub?

The bit in bold was not a question, its natural for people to pay more attention to one thing over another, that has nothing to do with an imaginary playbook you feel people are buying.

16 million Jews worldwide, 0.2 in world population, not sure of the number of Zionists, but they have some clout about the place. As for anti-Semitism, I don't look at people based on where they are from, race, or religion, I wouldn't fall into that trap to be fair

HAMAS–the acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement)is the largest and most capable militant group in the Palestinian territories 

Hamas are at war with Israel, its not a fair war, its a massacre

Your point is?

Yes, my experience, y'know from being alive and what not

[Eamonnca1]

Just wonder if it's because we sort of consider Israel to be "western" and therefore hold them to western standards?

Israel is basically a Euro-American colony in the middle east. It purports to be a respectable western democracy, while engaging in heinous human rights abuses that wouldn't have looked out of place in Apartheid South Africa. Through a devastatingly efficient PR machine that silences all criticism, the truth of Israel's crimes are kept hidden from the American voters whose politicians have been lobbied into bankrolling it. If it were left to its own devices then the state of Israel might have made it, but it gets so much military backing from the US that it's pretty much invincible on an open battlefield.

If the American political system weren't for sale to the highest bidder, and if policy was drawn up on merit rather than who could afford to buy the most congressmen, we'd be looking at a different world.

[Milltown Row2]

In your experience? Is this from surveys or just chit chat at the pub?

The bit in bold was not a question, its natural for people to pay more attention to one thing over another, that has nothing to do with an imaginary playbook you feel people are buying.

16 million Jews worldwide, 0.2 in world population, not sure of the number of Zionists, but they have some clout about the place. As for anti-Semitism, I don't look at people based on where they are from, race, or religion, I wouldn't fall into that trap to be fair

HAMAS–the acronym for Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya (Islamic Resistance Movement)is the largest and most capable militant group in the Palestinian territories 

Hamas are at war with Israel, its not a fair war, its a massacre

Your point is?

Yes, my experience, y'know from being alive and what not

Hamas are at war with Israel.. you said in one post this war has been going on for a month then in another post it's not a war?

Your stats are straight from the hamas playbook

[Itchy]

I said a few pages ago the truth would start to come out about the 7th October. How many people were actually killed and who actually killed them.

Some more information coming to light now...

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

[Milltown Row2]

I said a few pages ago the truth would start to come out about the 7th October. How many people were actually killed and who actually killed them.

Some more information coming to light now...

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

Some of the videos on that link are horrific

[marty34]

Just wonder if it's because we sort of consider Israel to be "western" and therefore hold them to western standards?

Yes, it's because we perceive Israel as western due to the influx of European and American Jews that their lives are valued much higher than Palestinians, is that what you are asking?

I think people here view it through the prism of our own history.

Plus we see through the spoofers like Biden, Starmer and the politicians in the west etc.

[Eamonnca1]

Just wonder if it's because we sort of consider Israel to be "western" and therefore hold them to western standards?

Yes, it's because we perceive Israel as western due to the influx of European and American Jews that their lives are valued much higher than Palestinians, is that what you are asking?

I think people here view it through the prism of our own history.

Plus we see through the spoofers like Biden, Starmer and the politicians in the west etc.

Spot on. This conflict resonates with a lot of people around the world because of the settler/native dynamic that drives it. People (including myself) get highly emotional about this conflict in a way that doesn't quite happen with other wars like Ukraine or Syria where there's no clear equivalent of our own historic oppressors.

[theskull1]

The world is fcuked.

https://twitter.com/imreallyimprtnt/status/1722467131391172821?t=pr5OE4uVEPycTBaJ4a6bAA&s=19

[Jell 0 Biafra]

Well, unless Trump dies or gets sent to prison, none of those lunatics need to worry about what would happen if they were President.

[JoG2]

The world is fcuked.

https://twitter.com/imreallyimprtnt/status/1722467131391172821?t=pr5OE4uVEPycTBaJ4a6bAA&s=19

Disgusting fu$kers the lot of them, sociopaths with power, a scary combination

[dec]

The world is fcuked.

https://twitter.com/imreallyimprtnt/status/1722467131391172821?t=pr5OE4uVEPycTBaJ4a6bAA&s=19

I watched the whole "debate". (Yes I am a sucker for punishment)

Number of seconds spent showing concern for civilians being killed in Gaza: 0
Number of seconds discussing allowing the Palestinians to have a state: 0