Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[johnnycool]

Shouldn't discount this being a potential factor as to why so many of the wests leaders are in lockstep with Israel

Be under no doubt Mossad were behind Epstein and definitely Maxwell, there's family history there with her.

Clinton and many more were compromised as Epstein filmed everything, he'd a lot of the US establishment by the short and curlies..

I'm not talking about Palestinian or even Hamas, you failed to see why other groups will use this war to further their own needs.

Nor am I siding with anyone in my posts.

Watched a documentary and these jihad groups (not in Palestine before you have a fit) were brainwashing kids on how the west is becoming and linking Israel and acts committed in Gazza, this was after the last invasion 10 years ago

The West has been behind, particularly the US and their proxies of the French and British much of the bloodshed in the middle East for decades from the Shah of Iran, the subsequent Iran/Iraq war, the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, later to morph into ISIS and supporters of the Taliban, providing Saddam Hussain, their great friend, poison gas which he used on the Kurds, to then his overthrown when he wanted to sell oil but not in US Dollars as he was getting fúcked over with it's price, right up to the overthrow of Gadaffi in Libya after he fúcked out UK and French Oil companies, who are now back in pumping the oil out like the western shysters they are now that they bombed him out of existence.

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

[armaghniac]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

but which is the root cause and which is the immediate cause? Surely that's the important question !!!

[johnnycool]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

No doubt the tribal nature of these places would have their own internal conflicts but Western interference has only extrapolated the issues in this region and lead to lots more bloodshed.

Trying to create a Jewish nation state in the middle of Arab Palestine because of an agreement written in WW1 London because some very rich Zionists in the Rothschilds think it's their right based on a 2000 plus year old book of dubious origins is a whole new level of interference though.

 

[SHEEDY]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

but which is the root cause and which is the immediate cause? Surely that's the important question !!!

But is that a political point or a technical point you're making? 🙄

[bennydorano]

Sorry for pointing out an actual fact in making a point, on a discussion board, on a thread full of groupthink and a serious lack of verifiable facts.

[north_antrim_hound]

You'd wonder how the people of this area believe the West to be the great evil because we are.

There is no doubt that oil and other issues have encouraged a lot of interference in the region.
However, it is also the case that every place is a basket case which suppresses a lot of their own people without any help from the West.

No doubt the tribal nature of these places would have their own internal conflicts but Western interference has only extrapolated the issues in this region and lead to lots more bloodshed.

Trying to create a Jewish nation state in the middle of Arab Palestine because of an agreement written in WW1 London because some very rich Zionists in the Rothschilds think it's their right based on a 2000 plus year old book of dubious origins is a whole new level of interference though.

 

Isreal became a reality not because of a Zionist imposed exodus to a promised land. It was European anti Semitics even in Britain pre World War Two. Therefore the Balfour declaration was born and Britain wasn't alone. Prior to the Nazis final solution there was a broad European narrative in the aristocratic world called "the solution". This prevailed and  when the Jewish people of Europe moved to Palestine in their millions after the holocaust it was because places like USA and Britain didn't want them so they persisted in creating this new state. My long winded point is the Israel problem was born out of European anti semitics but Jesus the way the Zionist movement has behaved since they got there is disgusting.

[Saffrongael]

Have Seafoid & Roger Waters ever been seen in a room at the same time ? 

[seafoid]

Hamas lured Israel into a trap.

They knew Israel would tear the arse out of it.


There was no Israel in 1947. It was not a natural country. It was established by a UN vote..
No EU country was. Even Liverpool FC is more historically credible than Israel.

This means that international opinion means more for Israel.  It is a source of fragility. 

[seafoid]

Shouldn't discount this being a potential factor as to why so many of the wests leaders are in lockstep with Israel

Everyone is afraid of them. Crispin Blunt spoke out and 2 days later he was accused of rape. They have dirt on most of the elite.  This was Epstein and Maxwell's job.

[seafoid]

In the US the GOP is beginning to question bipartisan support. Young people are turning away from Zionism and young US Jews want nothing to do with it . This is a big issue in swing states like Michigan.

[J70]

So Epstein collected dirt on just about everyone with geopolitical power and that is a significant factor in the west's collective broad stance on the Palestinian-Israeli issue?

[Milltown Row2]

So Epstein collected dirt on just about everyone with geopolitical power and that is a significant factor in the west's collective broad stance on the Palestinian-Israeli issue?

That information became useful for him.. oh wait, how'd that go?

[J70]

So Epstein collected dirt on just about everyone with geopolitical power and that is a significant factor in the west's collective broad stance on the Palestinian-Israeli issue?

That information became useful for him.. oh wait, how'd that go?

Well at least he got to use his material on Trump to force the embassy switch to Jerusalem. With that, his work was done!

[trailer]

So Epstein collected dirt on just about everyone with geopolitical power and that is a significant factor in the west's collective broad stance on the Palestinian-Israeli issue?

Some dung spouted on this board and this is right at the pinnacle.